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Sample size is too small to be meaningful.Lol 169 yards total rushing yards in two games. And there’s a stat out there that says we’re #1 in run blocking win rate. Man please stop the madness. You can’t believe in every freaking stat out there.
Look at the snap counts for the Chiefs as an example.Lol 169 yards total rushing yards in two games. And there’s a stat out there that says we’re #1 in run blocking win rate. Man please stop the madness. You can’t believe in every freaking stat out there.
I think, somehow, the Texans will pull an upset today (not that it will matter in the long run).So, assuming the Texans lose today and start 0-3. Do any of you all see a 9-4 finish to even have a shot at the playoffs?
And the Ravens snap counts:Look at the snap counts for the Chiefs as an example.
Tyrann Mathieu SS 0 0% 59 100%
Daniel Sorensen FS 0 0% 57 97%
L'Jarius Sneed DB 0 0% 55 93%
Antonio Hamilton CB 0 0% 38 64%
Juan Thornhill FS 0 0% 38 64%
ashad Fenton CB 0 0% 32 54%
Charvarius Ward CB 0 0% 31 53%
Tedric Thompson FS 0 0% 21 36%
That's more than 5 DBs out there on any given play.
Honestly I think Tannehill is a better QB than Watson ... not a better athlete but a better QB.
No , he's not going to give you as many highlights but he's going to extends drives , score points and eat up clock.
I think Watson would thrive if you put him on the Titans. I do like Tannehill as a QB and have been very impressed with his play in Tennessee. I think the Tennessee situation is a blue print for success with Watson. I’d like to see our OL improve, I’d like for us to add a stud RB, and at least 1-2 big, physical WRs.
Honestly I think Tannehill is a better QB than Watson ... not a better athlete but a better QB.
No , he's not going to give you as many highlights but he's going to extends drives , score points and eat up clock.
For years you've talked about your hate (you've actually written on this board "I hate Bill O'Brien") of O'Brien. What's changed your mind?BO’s a good guy. Hardworking, honest, family man. But I think we tried this experiment enough.
Time to Fire BO’b & Easterby, then bring in Ricky as our GM/HC & team chaplain
I’m pretty sure he hates Butt Chin, the HC/GM. Not Chin Hole, the man. As do I.For years you've talked about your hate (you've actually written on this board "I hate Bill O'Brien") of O'Brien. What's changed your mind?
If the Texans do burn out this season and O’Brien is fired, bring me Greg Roman and those exotic run schemes from Baltimore. Draft a young running back in the third round and at least get the offense rolling until you can do a salary dump. It won’t be a quick one year turnaround. The draft and cap assets aren’t there. But I think this plan would get the Texans back on the right path.
Also Tannehil is much better than DW4. Always has been always will be.
Even if you did truly believe that nonsense, when did you come to that conclusion? In Tannehill’s 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th year in the league?
Tannehill had 1 winning season in Miami, and never had a passer rating above 100, and just 1 season with a QB rating above 50 (50 is average), before he got to Nashville.
If you truly believe Tannehill is a better QB than Watson, you’re just as bad at evaluating talent as OB is.
One thing about Tannehill though is he should be the poster child for showing that coaching can make a huge difference in the way one plays the game.
Nobody is better than a QB coached by BOB.True, but he was hurt many of those seasons in Miami.
Are you saying the Texans dont have as much talent on offense as the Titans and if so how do the Texans seem to beat the Titans every yr?
This is what I do after the Texans disappoint me. I hide my hate in thinly veiled kind words so I don’t seem biased.For years you've talked about your hate (you've actually written on this board "I hate Bill O'Brien") of O'Brien. What's changed your mind?
Even if you did truly believe that nonsense, when did you come to that conclusion? In Tannehill’s 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th year in the league?
Tannehill had 1 winning season in Miami, and never had a passer rating above 100, and just 1 season with a QB rating above 50 (50 is average), before he got to Nashville.
If you truly believe Tannehill is a better QB than Watson, you’re just as bad at evaluating talent as OB is.
One thing about Tannehill though is he should be the poster child for showing that coaching can make a huge difference in the way one plays the game.
We're projected to be 6MM over the cap next year with only 38 players under contract. I understand that the cap # could go up substantially, but it doesn't change the fact that we have a lot of players on bloated contracts that are either going to have to get restructured or the player cut to field a roster under the cap.
Players and cap savings if cut this offseason:
JJ -- 17.5MM cap savings (doubt they get rid of him, but they should. Hoping BOB pushes to get rid of JJ and it's what gets him fired if nothing else will)
B. Cooks -- 12MM cap savings (gone)
David Johnson -- 6.9MM (2.1MM dead $) (probably too much dead $ to get rid of)
Duke Johnson -- 5.2MM (gone)
Nick Martin -- 6.2MM (2.5MM dead $) (probably too much dead $ to get rid of)
Z. Fulton -- 3MM (750k dead $) (hopefully gone)
D. Fells -- 2.3MM (500k dead $)
B. Mckinney -- 7MM (1.5MM dead $) (hopefully gone but probably too much dead $)
Dunn -- 3.3MM (1MM dead $)
This is all just this coming off-season. The real challenge is going to be preparing for 2022 when Watson's 40MM kicks in.
Our divisions 2021 cap space:
Houston -- (6MM) as in negative 6MM
Tennesee -- 13MM
Indianapolis -- 76MM
Jacksonville -- 82MM
Bottom line is that our cap space/roster has been poorly managed and there's going to need to be a major reshuffling in the next 2 years (not a good time to not have draft picks in the first 2 rounds). The state of the union doesn't look promising during that time. Somebody is going to have a mess to clean up if Cal has the guts to get rid of BOB. If he doesn't, I think this organization could be in real trouble for a long time.
You give me the Titans line and Derek Henry, I guarantee you that Watson would kill it.Today , this season (and most of last) Tannehill is a better QB than Watson.
In Miami he was much like Watson is here - a prospect with a lot of physical talent.
You can not say with any certainty that Watson would magically solve all his own issues by being put in a situation similar to Tannehill - You could say there's a chance , a good chance but not a certainty. Maybe.
This offense goes as Watson goes , when he's making good decisions and getting rid of the ball quickly this offense moves the ball and puts up points , when he's dancing around on skates doing his best Michael Vick impersonation ..... the offense sucks , or maybe they make some off schedule magic. But odds are , they suck.
Yes , SOME of that is on the protection. But protection getting beaten so badly it immediately puts the QB on the run - Its overblown in comparison to the other issues regarding this offense. Its a relative rarity - what about all those other plays where the protection isn't blown up ? The same issues arise time and again.
I'd like to see Watson in another scheme - hopefully this year is bad enough to make that happen dump this stupid EP language Coryell system (really that's the philosophy of this offense with all the deep routes) and stop with the stupid RPO sets that don't follow the principal (Find it comical that Seth Payne commented on this from under his bed , I've said it for years) - they aren't fooling anyone with the RPO crap.
Just sucks that to get rid of OB we have to send Miami a two top 40 (probably 4-6/36-38) .... so we can get a new staff in here and see if Watson's abilities can be harnessed or not.
Some of us had warned about this, including the "danger" of not extending Tunsil last year (for less) while paying too much for all of these guys that come via the trades.We're projected to be 6MM over the cap next year with only 38 players under contract. I understand that the cap # could go up substantially, but it doesn't change the fact that we have a lot of players on bloated contracts that are either going to have to get restructured or the player cut to field a roster under the cap.
Players and cap savings if cut this offseason:
JJ -- 17.5MM cap savings (doubt they get rid of him, but they should. Hoping BOB pushes to get rid of JJ and it's what gets him fired if nothing else will)
B. Cooks -- 12MM cap savings (gone)
David Johnson -- 6.9MM (2.1MM dead $) (probably too much dead $ to get rid of)
Duke Johnson -- 5.2MM (gone)
Nick Martin -- 6.2MM (2.5MM dead $) (probably too much dead $ to get rid of)
Z. Fulton -- 3MM (750k dead $) (hopefully gone)
D. Fells -- 2.3MM (500k dead $)
B. Mckinney -- 7MM (1.5MM dead $) (hopefully gone but probably too much dead $)
Dunn -- 3.3MM (1MM dead $)
This is all just this coming off-season. The real challenge is going to be preparing for 2022 when Watson's 40MM kicks in.
Our divisions 2021 cap space:
Houston -- (6MM) as in negative 6MM
Tennesee -- 13MM
Indianapolis -- 76MM
Jacksonville -- 82MM
Bottom line is that our cap space/roster has been poorly managed and there's going to need to be a major reshuffling in the next 2 years (not a good time to not have draft picks in the first 2 rounds). The state of the union doesn't look promising during that time. Somebody is going to have a mess to clean up if Cal has the guts to get rid of BOB. If he doesn't, I think this organization could be in real trouble for a long time.
This offense goes as Watson goes
That’s where you’re wrong. This offense goes where the shit design and implementation of it goes. If you’re unhappy with Watson in this offense, then you’ll never be happy with any QB ever. Not in this offense.
You honestly think Ryan Tannehill could do any better in this shit show offense? Again, if you truly think that you’re just as bad of an evaluator as OB is and it absolutely makes sense how there’s people out there giving him the support they do. Hell, your evaluation process is right up there with Cal’s.
That’s where you’re wrong.
Lots of correct opinions out there. I’m just commenting on the ones that aren’t.Why is no ones opinion but yours is correct?
’m just commenting on the ones that aren’t.
Stills, Cobb, Cooks and Johnson are all over paid as well as our LT that we gave up so much for. Yet that genius of a GM refused to pay Hopkins, who’s the only guy on this team that’s arguably the best at his position.Some of us had warned about this, including the "danger" of not extending Tunsil last year (for less) while paying too much for all of these guys that come via the trades.
Guys like Kenny Stills (just an example) cost too much, but since O'Brien can't develop enough players, he had to buy them, and he almost always buy high and sell low.
You post opinions with no “access” to stats to back you. If I’m arrogant then so be it. What would you call what you do? Steelb?How arrogant of you
Don't worry buddy, I heard you. I know reading these other posts it seems they didn't read you say, "BO'b sux"I'd like to see Watson in another scheme - hopefully this year is bad enough to make that happen dump this stupid EP language Coryell system (really that's the philosophy of this offense with all the deep routes) and stop with the stupid RPO sets that don't follow the principal
You post opinions with no “access” to stats to back you. If I’m arrogant then so be it. What would you call what you do? Steelb?
Who's that?This sounds like someone I know .....
Today , this season (and most of last) Tannehill is a better QB than Watson.
In Miami he was much like Watson is here - a prospect with a lot of physical talent.
You can not say with any certainty that Watson would magically solve all his own issues by being put in a situation similar to Tannehill - You could say there's a chance , a good chance but not a certainty. Maybe.
This offense goes as Watson goes , when he's making good decisions and getting rid of the ball quickly this offense moves the ball and puts up points , when he's dancing around on skates doing his best Michael Vick impersonation ..... the offense sucks , or maybe they make some off schedule magic. But odds are , they suck.
Yes , SOME of that is on the protection. But protection getting beaten so badly it immediately puts the QB on the run - Its overblown in comparison to the other issues regarding this offense. Its a relative rarity - what about all those other plays where the protection isn't blown up ? The same issues arise time and again.
I'd like to see Watson in another scheme - hopefully this year is bad enough to make that happen dump this stupid EP language Coryell system (really that's the philosophy of this offense with all the deep routes) and stop with the stupid RPO sets that don't follow the principal (Find it comical that Seth Payne commented on this from under his bed , I've said it for years) - they aren't fooling anyone with the RPO crap.
Just sucks that to get rid of OB we have to send Miami a two top 40 (probably 4-6/36-38) .... so we can get a new staff in here and see if Watson's abilities can be harnessed or not.
IMO, the issues aren't system related as much as coaching related. Let Josh McDaniels run this offense, with this personnel, and it will taking the league by storm. OB has been out of his depth since leaving NE.^^^^I agree with this post. As I watch this highly invested on OL I just see group of players who would excel in a ZBS. Maybe even Martin becomes a Center in a system that would better work with his lack of size. Get a strong and knowledgeable ZBS OL Coach to help transition this group. Next, I think Watson's strength could be better suited in a WCO with a Spread Offense rolled into one. WCO offense is optimal with a running game that commands respect......that means a RB or two would become high importance.
The one silver lining about politics contaminating the NFL is how it led me to emotionally divest from the sport and this dead-end team. I only watch now because I like to see my hometown win and I love visiting with fellow fans in Austin, but I don't care so much about losses anymore, and I feel no more heartbreak or frustration. It's liberating.
I've known since Hoyer's first throw as a Texan landing in the hands of the other team that O'Brien was all personality and not a trustworthy decision-maker. In each of the punishing seven seasons since then I held hope that the common sense fairy would magically embed shrewdness or logic into the minds Bob or Cal McNair. Now I don't have to care, and it feels really nice.
I'm only posting this to say hi to you guys since I've really enjoyed the conversation over the years. Maybe one day the NFL can purge itself of political poison and Cal can hire the right consultant through some stroke of luck, at which point I'd be happy to be a regular here again.
I'd like to see Watson in another scheme - hopefully this year is bad enough to make that happen dump this stupid EP language Coryell system (really that's the philosophy of this offense with all the deep routes) and stop with the stupid RPO sets that don't follow the principal (Find it comical that Seth Payne commented on this from under his bed , I've said it for years) - they aren't fooling anyone with the RPO crap.
Just sucks that to get rid of OB we have to send Miami a two top 40 (probably 4-6/36-38) .... so we can get a new staff in here and see if Watson's abilities can be harnessed or not.
You know he has an axe to grind with Watson. He has 0 objectivity in regards. When he said Tanneyhill has always been better, you can't even have a conversation with him honestlyNobody is better than a QB coached by BOB.
Didn't you say QBs always learn the most from BOB?
On the other hand, you said Watson had regressed every year.
LOL.
Really, Stills is paid correctly, Cobb is the one. Fuller 4 because of his injury history. That Whitney extension was totally uncalled for.Some of us had warned about this, including the "danger" of not extending Tunsil last year (for less) while paying too much for all of these guys that come via the trades.
Guys like Kenny Stills (just an example) cost too much, but since O'Brien can't develop enough players, he had to buy them, and he almost always buy high and sell low.
You know he has an axe to grind with Watson. He has 0 objectivity in regards. When he said Tanneyhill has always been better, you can't even have a conversation with him honestly
Stills' $8M salary tied for 32nd last year. That's low end no. 1 receiver's moneyReally, Stills is paid correctly, Cobb is the one. Fuller 4 because of his injury history. That Whitney extension was totally uncalled for.
You know he has an axe to grind with Watson. He has 0 objectivity in regards. When he said Tanneyhill has always been better, you can't even have a conversation with him honestly
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WatsDe00.htmWhere did I state that Tannehill was "always better". - I didn't.
I said "this year and much of last year".
I said while he was in Miami he was what Watson is now ....
Really , considering the results , is it even debatable who the better "Quarterback" is or is athlete the standard ? It's clear that Watson is the better athlete.