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TIME TO REBOOT AGAINST THE STEELERS WEEK 3

Corrosion said:
Sure , Watson is better than any of the crap QB's OB had prior those guys were below average .... You could plug in just about any QB and get pretty much the same results.

But when you break down his game , I just don't see an elite QB. I see a guy who makes enough big plays to beat mediocre teams but not one that can sustain drives and beat the better teams. Broken plays / off script stuff is where this offense does its damage.

I don't see a guy who can eliminate his own mistakes and carry this team , not when he's made the same mistakes over and over again , misdiagnosing potential rushers , hanging onto the ball far too long , not seeing or passing over wide open targets , locking onto the first read .... forcing the ball down field rather than take the easy yards.

You guy's cant see Watson for what he is because of OB's ineptitude .... I see both of them as equal contributors - part of the problem.
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Well, no, it’s not quite plugging him in and getting the same results.

Again, OB is 24-15 with Watson, 28-31 without him. Those are far from the same results.

So no, they aren’t equal contributors to the problem. This problem was here long before Watson got here.

And the team as a whole has gotten worse, as Sunday football players are run out of town and replaced with good character, good practice guys who get stupid money for ghosting on Sundays. So Watson has to overcome that obstacle as well, and is still winning at that clip.

But yeah, as far as being a true contender, it’s pretty much the same results, but like I said, the team as a whole is weaker. The defense that Hoyer and Fitz had was light years ahead of what it is now.

Look, I’m in no way saying Watson is Jesus in cleats, but this poorly designed and poorly coached offense will never allow us to see him reach his full potential. Nor will the poorly constructed team he’s on.

You have your doubts about a QB just entering his 4th season, that’s fine. But there should be absolutely zero doubts about the job OB is doing and the affect that has here in year 7. Zero.

Watson has his faults, sure, but I believe a lot of that could be coached up and corrected with coaches who actually knew what the **** they were doing. He’ll never get that with this staff. And so he’ll be stuck in that tier 2 group just averaging his way through his career, and people like you will try to lay equal blame on him. And that’s bullshit. That’s all I’m saying. This coach/GM is shit and he has to go.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Preach Nate
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Man....everyone focuses on the negatives but if you look at what Watson does when the pocket is clean or the pocket is moving in that last video clip....that's the Watson that could eat defenses alive and gives me hope that with a more consistent gameplan and better OL, Watson's upside is far better than some on this board think.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Man....everyone focuses on the negatives but if you look at what Watson does when the pocket is clean or the pocket is moving in that last video clip....that's the Watson that could eat defenses alive and gives me hope that with a more consistent gameplan and better OL, Watson's upside is far better than some on this board think.
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Exactly. Also, as far as the BS about O'Brien's game plan offense. All teams have a game plan offense. It's not unique to O'Brien. I really like this quote. "The really good offenses in the NFL don’t attack the defense, they attack people."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1304753839191535616
 
Speedy said:
Well, no, it’s not quite plugging him in and getting the same results.

Again, OB is 24-15 with Watson, 28-31 without him. Those are far from the same results.

So no, they aren’t equal contributors to the problem. This problem was here long before Watson got here.

And the team as a whole has gotten worse, as Sunday football players are run out of town and replaced with good character, good practice guys who get stupid money for ghosting on Sundays. So Watson has to overcome that obstacle as well, and is still winning at that clip.

But yeah, as far as being a true contender, it’s pretty much the same results, but like I said, the team as a whole is weaker. The defense that Hoyer and Fitz had was light years ahead of what it is now.

Look, I’m in no way saying Watson is Jesus in cleats, but this poorly designed and poorly coached offense will never allow us to see him reach his full potential. Nor will the poorly constructed team he’s on.

You have your doubts about a QB just entering his 4th season, that’s fine. But there should be absolutely zero doubts about the job OB is doing and the affect that has here in year 7. Zero.

Watson has his faults, sure, but I believe a lot of that could be coached up and corrected with coaches who actually knew what the **** they were doing. He’ll never get that with this staff. And so he’ll be stuck in that tier 2 group just averaging his way through his career, and people like you will try to lay equal blame on him. And that’s bullshit. That’s all I’m saying. This coach/GM is shit and he has to go.
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Remember when this was said about Carr. Then they hired Kubiak and nirvana was supposed to happen.

History is repeating itself.
 
Texansballer74 said:
We watch the games in depth just like you. Everyone on here has been critical of Watson’s play. But man you can’t expect the kid to fully show his potential under these adverse circumstances. Are you not factoring in the true play of this offensive line? Why won’t Obrien adapt to the kid’s strengths? Why won’t he draw up plays to get his receivers open? Nobody on here said anything about Watson not picking the correct Mike last season or the one before. But all because one media head pointed that out in week one. Now we won’t to throw that shaded narrative out there. Earl has uploaded numerous clips of the entire oline getting beat so badly. We’re talking about to the point of Watson not being able to get into his drop backs or not being able to step up into the pocket. Shoots he can’t even step into his throws.

It’s like you want the youngster to be able to overcome all that adversity. We as Texans fans should know that’s a tall task. We’ve seen first hand how these types of adversities could ruin a quarterback’s career.
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I want him to improve, which he hasn't.

I also want posters to stop making excuses for the 160 million dollar man.

7 bad games in a row isn't all on coaching like the narrative you're trying to put out there.

It's going to be a long 4 yrs.
 
Corrosion said:
Go back and watch that again ....

Look at the slot receiver .... the LOS is just beyond the 45. He sits on his cut at the 42 and has some separation. Pretty easy throw there.
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I don't understand that drop back.

But it's 3rd & 9, he's not even thinking about the guy sitting on the 42, & he shouldn't be.
 
steelbtexan said:
I want him to improve, which he hasn't.

I also want posters to stop making excuses for the 160 million dollar man.

7 bad games in a row isn't all on coaching like the narrative you're trying to put out there.

It's going to be a long 4 yrs.
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If you're going to be typing this every day multiple times in every thread. It really will be a long 4 years for you. You might have to learn CTRL+C and CTRL+V
 
Speedy said:
Look, I’m in no way saying Watson is Jesus in cleats, but this poorly designed and poorly coached offense will never allow us to see him reach his full potential. Nor will the poorly constructed team he’s on.
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Agreed. We're still waiting for one player to be developed under Bill O'Brien in the Bill O'Brien era. So far, Watson looks like another prospect wasted by BO'b.
 
thunderkyss said:
Agreed. We're still waiting for one player to be developed under Bill O'Brien in the Bill O'Brien era. So far, Watson looks like another prospect wasted by BO'b.
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I would say that Scharping/Cunningham/Reid/Akins have/are developing well under BOB. Newton was developing well until he got hurt. Hopkins for that matter developed well under BOB.
 
thunderkyss said:
Somebody said Capers won more games with David Carr than without?


:thinking:


I don't remember that at all.
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Nope, they said all Carr needed was a top notch QB coach and he would become a star level QB. Remember the Capers/Pendry sucks posts?

We all know how that turned out and this is going to turn out the same way.
 
steelbtexan said:
Nope, they said all Carr needed was a top notch QB coach and he would become a star level QB. Remember the Capers/Pendry sucks posts?

We all know how that turned out and this is going to turn out the same way.
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Whoever said that was full of shite! I wasn’t on the board during this period but the site I was....I put the blame on the team not putting together an OL first and foremost. I figured Casserly coming from the organization that established “The Hogs” would make the OL a top priority. He didn’t and their #1 pick was beat into submission. Carr has his own issues but not having a quality OL Sure didn’t help.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Whoever said that was full of shite! I wasn’t on the board during this period but the site I was....I put the blame on the team not putting together an OL first and foremost. I figured Casserly coming from the organization that established “The Hogs” would make the OL a top priority. He didn’t and their #1 pick was beat into submission. Carr has his own issues but not having a quality OL Sure didn’t help.
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Same thing happened with DW4.

Result is going to end up being the same.
 
Anybody else think when obrien finally gets fired, he will go on to win a sb somewhere else? Obrien is to texans what belichick was to the browns.

Only after he losses everything that hell reinvent himself and his game plan.

They will say, “see texans, obrien is a great hc”
 
Speedy said:
For the record, Capers was 2-3 without Carr, 16-43 with him. So wherever that’s coming from is just more talking **** without any facts, as per usual.
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So you don't remember fans saying Kubiak could fix Carr?
 
Texansballer74 said:
What the Texans needs to do is start winning. That way we all can stop arguing back and forth over the same exact stuff.
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Honestly, winning won't change anyone and their opinions around here when it comes to BoB and Watson. Sure, most of us praise O'Brien when it's deserved. That lasts about as long as a game or two. Then it's back to the same old clumsy looking offense. And that also includes Watson holding onto the ball for an eternity. When the bad offense shows up, it's like a virus. It afflicts everyone in the huddle. It took one good play from Coutee coming out of the doghouse before he got the sickness and coughed up the ball. Doesn't matter who it is.
 
Earl34 said:
Okay. I'll play. This is what's happening consistently. Tell us what protection should the QB call to counter this:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1304228926261260289
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steelbtexan said:
Who set this protection?
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The protection here isn't the problem - Everyone in the building , except for Watson knows this ball has to come out in a hurry. It doesn't.
He has a throw to make which is short of the sticks , that is preferable to taking the sack.

This is a QB issue , not the line , not the WR's , its about understanding the situation. This is a situation where he has to know he can't take a deep drop but he does it anyway.
What he should have done is make the adjustment to a three step drop and take one of the two openings he has - the slot guy or the TE up the seam on the outside shoulder. All of the potential outcomes of doing that are preferable to taking a sack.

Neither of those options was his first read as he was looking at the outside WR to his left from the get go.

thunderkyss said:
I don't understand that drop back.

But it's 3rd & 9, he's not even thinking about the guy sitting on the 42, & he shouldn't be.
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The odds of converting 3rd and 9 are slim to begin with.

The defense know's its 3rd and 9 too. They playing to not give up the 9. 4 or 5 is fine for them. They left nothing uncovered that would immediately give up the 9. The WR at the top of the screen is a possibility , there is separation from the deep corner but there is underneath coverage too. That middle defender played this well - not giving up the 9 while being close enough to the slot guy who sat at the 42 to potentially make a play on him.

Watson knows they are bringing more rushers than he has blockers - He has to know that ball must come out fast. The out for Watson was there even if it doesn't immediately gain the 9 - it gives either of those two guys a chance to do so. Hanging onto the ball for a sack .... doesn't.
 
Here's a stat that surprised me. The Texans were in the top 8 teams in the league last year in third down efficiency

2019 Third Down Efficiency

---Team-------------------Att-----Made-----Pct
1. Kansas City Chiefs----187------89------47.6
2. Baltimore Ravens-----187------88------47.1
3. Dallas Cowboys-------204------96------47.1
4. Philadelphia Eagles---229-----104------45.4
5. San Francisco 49ers--200------90------45.0
6. Los Angeles Chargers-194------86------44.3
7. Oakland Raiders-------201------88------43.8
8. Houston Texans-------193------84------43.5

Of course we had Hopkins receiving & Hyde running last year.

Forgot to include the link
 
Tex1983 said:
Anybody else think when obrien finally gets fired, he will go on to win a sb somewhere else? Obrien is to texans what belichick was to the browns.

Only after he losses everything that hell reinvent himself and his game plan.

They will say, “see texans, obrien is a great hc”
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I'd love to test this theory.

I dont think OB ever makes it to a SB, even if he buys tickets, rents a limo to drive him with close friends telling him its time to go.

His clock management ability alone has shown he would probably show up after any SB so he would still miss it.

He would be standing there, tickets in hand..... with a frown on his chin.
 
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Corrosion said:
The protection here isn't the problem - Everyone in the building , except for Watson knows this ball has to come out in a hurry. It doesn't.
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You quoted Earl34 that play is a 4 man rush, Fulton gets ragdolled... I don't think that's the play you meant to quote.


Corrosion said:
The odds of converting 3rd and 9 are slim to begin with.

The defense know's its 3rd and 9 too. They playing to not give up the 9.
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Still, it depends. If we're down three scores or whatever & our offense has been stymied all day, it's time to make a play.

But I get what you're saying. Watson has issues. On the play we're talking about here, I don't agree that the ball has to come out quick if the line does it's job.

That funky drop Watson does there is a bigger issue than "holding the ball" on this play. That sidestep gets him into Tunsil's space, & every step after that defeats any angle his linemen had.

Earl34 said:
Again. The defense shows blitz...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1308205865036472320
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The defense actually only rush 5. We have 6 blocking. They actually pick it up pretty good. If Watson drops straight back he'll have time to pick up the 9 yards if someone gets open.

Looks like a good mismatch our TE on their LB. But it looks like Watson tries to cheat by jumping to his left, expecting his TE to cut behind the LB.
 
thunderkyss said:
Agreed. We're still waiting for one player to be developed under Bill O'Brien in the Bill O'Brien era. So far, Watson looks like another prospect wasted by BO'b.
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Watson development is not being hurt by OB imo. Its his longtime friend Quincy Avery, whos also a “QB guru”( 5’4 division 3 WR is his background) is consistently in his ear and it’s ruining Desean.
 
The operative thing is 'if anyone gets open'. That has been the issue in the first two games, none of the receivers are getting any separation. Stays prove that at PFF
 
steelbtexan said:
I want him to improve, which he hasn't.

I also want posters to stop making excuses for the 160 million dollar man.

7 bad games in a row isn't all on coaching like the narrative you're trying to put out there.

It's going to be a long 4 yrs.
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Realistically, what is the team doing to help him improve? They traded away its best overall player, with out an adequate replacement. They got rid of a productive RB and replaced him an injury prone one that hasn’t produced at a high level in 4 yrs. They put together a receiving corps that has been a mash unit in recent years. OB refuses to replace a clearly underwhelming OL coach. Multiple former OL on the radio have described our blocking schemes as overly complicated. With all of this going on OB decides to turn play calling over to an inexperienced play caller during a year without a true off season or pre season. The more I think about it, I honestly believe OB did this on purpose. If his moves as GM fail it gives him a scapegoat.

I do agree with you that Watson has areas to improve upon, and now that he is amongst the highest paid players he needs to elevate his game. Having said that, the HC coach and GM has a responsibility to help its biggest investment improve and I just don’t see it this year.

Having said that, I truly hope his moves work out. I want Cooks, Cobb, and Johnson to be effective. I’m hopeful that Kelly will turn out to be a good game planner/play caller. I’m hopeful that OB learns from past mistakes and improves in the areas he needs to improve. So far I’m less than impressed
 
otisbean said:
Realistically, what is the team doing to help him improve? They traded away its best overall player, with out an adequate replacement. They got rid of a productive RB and replaced him an injury prone one that hasn’t produced at a high level in 4 yrs. They put together a receiving corps that has been a mash unit in recent years. OB refuses to replace a clearly underwhelming OL coach. Multiple former OL on the radio have described our blocking schemes as overly complicated. With all of this going on OB decides to turn play calling over to an inexperienced play caller during a year without a true off season or pre season. The more I think about it, I honestly believe OB did this on purpose. If his moves as GM fail it gives him a scapegoat.

I do agree with you that Watson has areas to improve upon, and now that he is amongst the highest paid players he needs to elevate his game. Having said that, the HC coach and GM has a responsibility to help its biggest investment improve and I just don’t see it this year.

Having said that, I truly hope his moves work out. I want Cooks, Cobb, and Johnson to be effective. I’m hopeful that Kelly will turn out to be a good game planner/play caller. I’m hopeful that OB learns from past mistakes and improves in the areas he needs to improve. So far I’m less than impressed
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Well said.
 
thunderkyss said:
Technically, Hyde didn’t want to be part of this shtshow & elected to go to Seattle. Texans tried to retain him, but it takes two to tango.
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Houston Texans: Carlos Hyde’s free agency gamble ended up backfiring

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The Texans were never going to re-sign Hyde as their premiere RB to a large multi season contract (as he expected) and without heavy incentives to attain it ..........coming off of offseason major shoulder labrum surgery. As it turns out, the Seahawks in the 1st two 2020 season games have utilized him on only 12 run attempts. His shoulder was and continues to be the preeminent factor in all of this.
 
otisbean said:
Realistically, what is the team doing to help him improve? They traded away its best overall player, with out an adequate replacement. They got rid of a productive RB and replaced him an injury prone one that hasn’t produced at a high level in 4 yrs. They put together a receiving corps that has been a mash unit in recent years. OB refuses to replace a clearly underwhelming OL coach. Multiple former OL on the radio have described our blocking schemes as overly complicated. With all of this going on OB decides to turn play calling over to an inexperienced play caller during a year without a true off season or pre season. The more I think about it, I honestly believe OB did this on purpose. If his moves as GM fail it gives him a scapegoat.

I do agree with you that Watson has areas to improve upon, and now that he is amongst the highest paid players he needs to elevate his game. Having said that, the HC coach and GM has a responsibility to help its biggest investment improve and I just don’t see it this year.

Having said that, I truly hope his moves work out. I want Cooks, Cobb, and Johnson to be effective. I’m hopeful that Kelly will turn out to be a good game planner/play caller. I’m hopeful that OB learns from past mistakes and improves in the areas he needs to improve. So far I’m less than impressed
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Cobb is the best Slot WR in team history (Upgrade over Coutee) Cooks has started in 2 of the last 3 SB's and isn't chopped liver. WFV is WFV (Really good when healthy, hardly ever healthy) Stills is a starter level WR as a backup. (There's nothing wrong with this WR corps) The route running is beter this yr. IMHO BOB is to blame for Coutee/Carter seeing the field. They shouldn't be on the roster.

RB's DJ when healthy (Which he is this yr) is a huge upgrade over Hyde due to his versatility.

The TE's are the same and it appears that Akins has improved greatly.

Everybody was clamoring for Kelly and they got him. I wish BOB had gone outside the org and hired a vet OC. Devlin is BOB's albatross, he should've been fired 3 yrs ago and a new OL coach allowed to tell the GM what type of OL he needed to be successful. (Devlin sucks at his job.)

You know my thoughts on BOB.

I would say BOB's 2 biggest faults are 1. Hiring 2 coordinators with zero experience in the same yr and expecting them to both be successful. 2. Not firing Devlin this offseason and looking for an upgrade.

All of this doesn't matter until DW4 improves his play. Which seems very unlikely after 4 yrs of seeing no improvement.
 
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Cobb is the best Slot WR in team history (Upgrade over Coutee) Cooks has started in 2 of the last 3 SB's and isn't chopped liver. WFV is WFV (Really good when healthy, hardly ever healthy) Stills is a starter level WR as a backup. (There's nothing wrong with this WR corps) The route running is beter this yr. IMHO BOB is to blame for Coutee/Carter seeing the field. They shouldn't be on the roster.

RB's DJ when healthy (Which he is this yr) is a huge upgrade over Hyde due to his versatility.

The TE's are the same and it appears that Akins has improved greatly.

Everybody was clamoring for Kelly and they got him. I wish BOB had gone outside the org and hired a vet OC. Devlin is BOB's albatross, he should've been fired 3 yrs ago and a new OL coach allowed to tell the GM what type of OL he needed to be successful. (Devlin sucks at his job.)

You know my thoughts on BOB.

I would say BOB's 2 biggest thoughts are 1. Hiring 2 coordinators with zero experience in the same yr and expecting them to both be successful. 2. Not firing Devlin this offseason and looking for an upgrade.

All of this doesn't matter until DW4 improves his play. Which seems very unlikely after 4 yrs of seeing no improvement.
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What does Kelly possesses that people have to clamor him for?

See any big play from the receivets except for Fuller's drop?

This team doesn't have a receiver that can win a hardfought/contested ball on a consistent basis to keep the chain moving and OB still can't run enough successful screen plays.
His bootlegs is badly taught/designed, failing the players.
I can go on and on.
 
Texans Inactives
No. 25 RB Duke Johnson
No. 30 CB Cornell Armstrong
No. 52 OLB Jonathan Greenard
No. 58 LB Peter Kalambayi
No. 67 OT Charlie Heck
No. 90 DT Ross Blacklock
 
I actually think this game will be a close one. That said, it wouldn’t surprise me if they lost by two touchdowns. It all depends on how the Texans offense attacks the Pittsburgh defense. Getting the ball out fast and misdirection is the way you can beat an aggressive defense. But if the offense plays like it did the last couple of weeks, it’s going to be a long day.
 
banned1976 said:
I actually think this game will be a close one. That said, it wouldn’t surprise me if they lost by two touchdowns. It all depends on how the Texans offense attacks the Pittsburgh defense. Getting the ball out fast and misdirection is the way you can beat an aggressive defense. But if the offense plays like it did the last couple of weeks, it’s going to be a long day.
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I'm hoping the OL plays better and provides enough time to exploit some one one one matchups. If the OL plays better than it has the first two weeks, the Texans have a chance.
 
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