OB saw him beat up the Texans defense that year when BangBang was in Philly and OB just had to have him. lolBang bang chicken & shrimp
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TIME TO REBOOT AGAINST THE STEELERS WEEK 3
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dream_team
Hall of Fame
Exactly and if he’s attending personnel meetings and talking about handing out draft picks like Halloween candy, Ricky had every right to ignore the nonsense.
“Teach your offense how to run a screen pass before you chime in on personnel, BOB”
A coach who coaches who he's given until RS left Kirby. Atleast that's what BOB said. You think he was lying and there's a reason he not only survived the RS purge and gained even more power.
Looks to me by the McNair's actions BOB was telling the truth about player acquisitions and his role in them while RS was on Kirby.
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
I think I’d prefer Chip Kelly to OB. This team is moribund.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
The same ineptitude has been there for going on 7 years now. I don’t know why anyone would think it lies anywhere but the one who’s been here for the duration.
OB is 24-15 with Watson. 28-31 without him.
You must not be watching the game. Their both not very good at their jobs and wont be getting better. Only 1 is making 160 million which is a team wrecking contract.
The 4-12 record when DW4 got hurt skews this record. The OL was so bad that yr they went through something like 4 QB's that yr.
Not to mention the QB being able to identify where the blitz is coming from and set the protections to counter the blitzes.
IMHO. For this season, when it comes to blame, I think it's a combination of the OL(30%), Watson (25%) and O'Brien (45%). In previous seasons, I could give Watson an equal or greater percentage than the OL. However, the OL play has been so bad, they have to share the blame and until they start playing better, I don't know how Watson can get a greater share of the blame.
I'm not even going to blame the defense because like Denny Green would say, "The
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banned1976
sleeper mode
They've been mauled at the line of scrimmage two weeks in a row. Unless they've improved dramatically over one week and are prepared (by Devlin) to not only take a punch in the mouth but punch back, they're not coming out of this game intact. Which is a problem because they have zero depth on that o-line.
Watson can identify it just fine, but the OL can't, and the playcaller and system aren't adjusting or countering at all.
One of the worst things in this system is no good hot reads. Leaking out Cobb to the flat every time is not a good counter.
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I'm putting it like 75% O'brien and 25% OL. We have proven guys on that OL. If they aren't playing well, it's because of the head coach.
Okay. I'll play. This is what's happening consistently. Tell us what protection should the QB call to counter this:
Again. The defense shows blitz, they back out and basically a 3 man rush and Tunsil is in Watson's hip pocket and passing lane. Also, look at the top of the screen. Instead of the TE chipping a DB and then releasing. I can go on and on but it doesn't matter. Excuses, right?
That wasn't a blitz
Exactly!! The narrative that it's simply blitz pickup and QB failing to call protection is misleading. Yes, there are those plays. However, the OL is constantly giving up pressure against straight 3 and 4 men rushes or stunts. What protection do you call against a stunt or 4 man rush?
I can show clips and clips of the first two games where the OL is giving up pressure within 3 seconds and no blitzer in sight. The OL simply has to do a better job.
Fulton is not a bad player. Just another OL who came here and got ruined.
No hot route here either.
Paul Alexander is a former OL coach. His point on the play is technique or lack of technique. Fulton didn't get beat physically, his technique put him at a disadvantage. I would hope they would have gone over how to play the best pass rusher on the Chiefs. My question, is that a player making a mental error or coaching.
I know all OL makes mistake. I know all sacks are not on them. However, how can anyone expect a QB to stand in the pocket and make reads when this is constantly happening? Get improve OL play and then we can talk about the QB and WRs.
TxnsJuggernaut1
Veteran
Good point. Still I think our defense will start out keeping the score respectable but with a lot of short drives by the offense the defense will tire and get despondent and the Steelers will put the game away.
I suspect the coaches are telling them the wrong technique. Maybe the players even realize this, but what are they gonna do?
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Pretty much nothing here for Watson.
Tunsil played to high and got handled fast because of it. Howard kicked out very wide quickly. I know he didn't hold that block long but I'm impressed. I'm not typically a Fulton fan but he did his job here. David Johnson did as much as could be asked.
8 defenders at the line of scrimmage potentially blitzing and it looks like the quickest cutting route down field is 15 yards? That's a serious scheme flaw.
Where's the hot route?
I wouldve liked seeing Atkins optioned into pass protection or at least a hard chip to hold the strong side corner. The rest of the line could shift focus blocking left. If his rusher backs off he'd run a delayed route. It would give Watson the option to roll to his right away from the rush.
I know that's all cherry picking after the fact but this play is pretty much dead otherwise. The route combinations look mundane. They dont pressure the secondary like lil shanny's used to. And again, to slow.
Got to give the defensive design credit here though. They showed pressure in a lot of gaps pre snap. We're going to keep seeing that till we can beat it.
Texansballer74
The Marine
I would go with:
O’Brien 50%
Oline 25%
Watson 15%
Skill players 10%
OB gets the Lion share of the blame because this is his system. Since day one he’s had a very difficult time teaching his specific philosophy. He’s also to stubborn to adjust to his players skill sets. He does very poorly with in game adjustments. His team, especially the offense comes out stall and lethargic too much.
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CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
A small Watson NFL.com sample size for 2020, so I'm not going to try to make any solid conclusions. But if these continue as longer term trends, they will need to be looked at more carefully. The closer to the opponent's side of field/goal line, the significantly lower the pass completion rate. The same pattern is seen in last 2 minutes of halves.
Passing stats:
Passing stats:
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
My oh my.....that wouldn't be an excuse would it?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Akins is 9 for 9 on targets, with 1 TD.
Be interesting to see how this compares to others
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Exactly. Also, the smaller field offsets the speed advantage of the 4.3 WRs. It's now up to the OC to use the big, athletic TEs to "box out" smaller DBs or scheme the speedy WRs open for them to outrun defenders like the Chiefs did on one of Hill's TDs.
banned1976
sleeper mode
Speed receivers that aren’t getting separation. I wonder why that is? A receiver not having problems getting separation, in his brand new system, is Hopkins. Another is Chase Claypool. He’s up next for the Texans. Maybe he and JuJu can show us what it’s supposed to look like.
Or maybe all the Texans really need is a brand new set of wide receivers and a statuesque, big armed quarterback with not a lick of mobility. Preferably in the 4th round. Everything else is just fine. The coaching, the scheme, the expensive line, the new (for us) running back, the evaluators, the GM...all good.
Texansballer74
The Marine
What the Texans needs to do is start winning. That way we all can stop arguing back and forth over the same exact stuff.
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I read "need more TEs" and the only thing I could think of is they need more cowbells. So, let's take a break before the Steelers' game and have a laugh. I could see O'Brien in the Christopher Walken role and Tim Kelly in the Will Ferrell role. "I got a fever and the only prescription is a A gap run."
Sure , Watson is better than any of the crap QB's OB had prior those guys were below average .... You could plug in just about any QB and get pretty much the same results.
But when you break down his game , I just don't see an elite QB. I see a guy who makes enough big plays to beat mediocre teams but not one that can sustain drives and beat the better teams. Broken plays / off script stuff is where this offense does its damage.
I don't see a guy who can eliminate his own mistakes and carry this team , not when he's made the same mistakes over and over again , misdiagnosing potential rushers , hanging onto the ball far too long , not seeing or passing over wide open targets , locking onto the first read .... forcing the ball down field rather than take the easy yards.
You guy's cant see Watson for what he is because of OB's ineptitude .... I see both of them as equal contributors - part of the problem.
Even if you think Watson is part of the problem, the HC is still the one constant thing that's been a problem.
So the most logical choice is to get a new HC; especially when the QB has a no-trade clause.
I'm sure you can attract a quality coach.... even though there will be a lack of draft picks.
That's not routine .... there have been a handful of those blow by's at most attributed to the OL. The rest have come from blitzers.
Decim8
Veteran
I respect this kind of opinion/view
Go back and watch that again ....
Look at the slot receiver .... the LOS is just beyond the 45. He sits on his cut at the 42 and has some separation. Pretty easy throw there.
Texansballer74
The Marine
We watch the games in depth just like you. Everyone on here has been critical of Watson’s play. But man you can’t expect the kid to fully show his potential under these adverse circumstances. Are you not factoring in the true play of this offensive line? Why won’t Obrien adapt to the kid’s strengths? Why won’t he draw up plays to get his receivers open? Nobody on here said anything about Watson not picking the correct Mike last season or the one before. But all because one media head pointed that out in week one. Now we won’t to throw that shaded narrative out there. Earl has uploaded numerous clips of the entire oline getting beat so badly. We’re talking about to the point of Watson not being able to get into his drop backs or not being able to step up into the pocket. Shoots he can’t even step into his throws.
It’s like you want the youngster to be able to overcome all that adversity. We as Texans fans should know that’s a tall task. We’ve seen first hand how these types of adversities could ruin a quarterback’s career.
It’s like you want the youngster to be able to overcome all that adversity. We as Texans fans should know that’s a tall task. We’ve seen first hand how these types of adversities could ruin a quarterback’s career.
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Texansballer74
The Marine
Preach Nate