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Hopkins traded to Cardinals?

I’ll call it bitter payback. OB was pizzed Hopkins wanted a new contract. OB didn’t have the cap space to give him his fair market value. Since Hopkins isn’t going to budge OB decides to trade him. OB also decides to make sure Hopkins knows what happens when you challenge the Boss....he trades him to the Cardinals and Bidwell thinking he really stuck it to him in the end. Personally, I don’t think OB expected Bidwell to give Hopkins the extension.

No, OB ducked up in the trade. Not one person associated with the NFL has stated that OB pulled off a great trade b/c it favored the Texans.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I’ll call it bitter payback. OB was pizzed Hopkins wanted a new contract. OB didn’t have the cap space to give him his fair market value. Since Hopkins isn’t going to budge OB decides to trade him. OB also decides to make sure Hopkins knows what happens when you challenge the Boss....he trades him to the Cardinals and Bidwell thinking he really stuck it to him in the end. Personally, I don’t think OB expected Bidwell to give Hopkins the extension.

No, OB ducked up in the trade. Not one person associated with the NFL has stated that OB pulled off a great trade b/c it favored the Texans.
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those same talking heads said it was a mistake to Trade Clowney too. Easy for these guys to run off at the mouth and throw everything up against the wall and see what sticks b/c no one will hold them accountable for their shitty takes.

I was in the golf range Clubhouse today when I heard those 2 idiots on1st take talking about Hopkins’ extension. No mention whatsoever of how difficult it would’ve been to give Nuk his money and sign DW4 & Tunsil at the same time. No mention of the other side to all of this. Why? b/c the reasoning and rationale makes too much sense and isn’t juicy enough for the ratings. They’d rather pander to what it looks like on the surface level.
 
Anyone who can objectively stand back, get out of their fandom feeling and look at the macro picture understands why he was traded and why getting a 1st rounder for him wasn’t really in the cards...no pun intended.

You can’t keep someone who doesn’t want to be kept & Nuk by virtue of wanting a new contract made the decision to move on.. Sure Bob could’ve been an asshole and made him play out his contract, but how well did that work out for him with the Duane Brown situation?
 
JB said:
Of course you would say that
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I never got bent about the trade. I understand both sides of the argument. It is what it is.

Even if BO’b took less compensation because he knew Hopkins didn’t want to be in Arizona I’m fine with that. It’s his prerogative.

He just better get this team to the AFCCG ismy only concern
 
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If OB felt the need to trade Hopkins for whatever reason, so be it. The shock of it was an issue at first, but real problem is and will always be, having that caliber of talent and not getting adequate value in return. I don’t care if Johnson rushes for 2,500 yards and 30 TDs, you did NOT get back what you should have for a 3 time All Pro player, when those with lesser accomplishments are getting teams more. No amount of spinning changes that.
 
At the end of the day the trade has to equate to better results to be scored a success. If you think it was a financial move then the replacement parts must contribute to more overall success. If you think it was motivated by "other stuff", then there is no metric to measure that against. Nuk got what he wanted so let's hope what the Texans got yields in the results they want.
 
Speedy said:
If OB felt the need to trade Hopkins for whatever reason, so be it. The shock of it was an issue at first, but real problem is and will always be, having that caliber of talent and not getting adequate value in return. I don’t care if Johnson rushes for 2,500 yards and 30 TDs, you did NOT get back what you should have for a 3 time All Pro player, when those with lesser accomplishments are getting teams more. No amount of spinning changes that.
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The only spin being offered is by those who think that we somehow could’ve got something from teams that they apparently Just weren’t offering and/or willing to give up for him.

Other examples of spin are coming from those who actually think we had better than a 25% chance to pay Nuk what he eventually got and still be able to offer Tunsil and DW4 what they deserved and eventually got. Of those 3, one of them was gonna be ass out & suffice it to say I’m happy it wasn’t DW4 or Tunsil.
 
Speedy said:
If OB felt the need to trade Hopkins for whatever reason, so be it. The shock of it was an issue at first, but real problem is and will always be, having that caliber of talent and not getting adequate value in return. I don’t care if Johnson rushes for 2,500 yards and 30 TDs, you did NOT get back what you should have for a 3 time All Pro player, when those with lesser accomplishments are getting teams more. No amount of spinning changes that.
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KoolAid Sipper said:
At the end of the day the trade has to equate to better results to be scored a success. If you think it was a financial move then the replacement parts must contribute to more overall success. If you think it was motivated by "other stuff", then there is no metric to measure that against. Nuk got what he wanted so let's hope what the Texans got yields in the results they want.
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It takes two to tango
 
JB said:
And if you think OB didn't put out feelers to all of them or turned down any 1st round trade offers, you're naive
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I don’t give a damn if he put out feelers or not. Part of the problem is, the league has a book on OB. They know they can take this dude. So maybe you’re right and that’s all he could get. If that’s the case, this guy doesn’t need to be an NFL GM.

We got a guy on the team now that’s never been to a Pro Bowl, much less been named All Pro, that’s been traded twice for a 1st. If you can’t get at least that for a 3 time All Pro with 3 years left on his contract, GM is not for you.
 
Speedy said:
We got a guy on the team now that’s never been to a Pro Bowl, much less been named All Pro, that’s been traded twice for a 1st. If you can’t get at least that for a 3 time All Pro with 3 years left on his contract, GM is not for you.
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Cooks never held out, nor did he demand a new contract with three years remaining on his current contract that is only two years old
 
Speedy said:
Hopkins never held out either. And who cares if he asked for more money? He had 3 years left. You could have said no, not no get out right now I’ll take pennies on the dollar in return.
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He did hold out, albeit was only one day. If you tell him know then you either force a holdout or have a disgruntled player in the locker room
 
With Trader Extraordinaire OB at the helm and Watson’s contract in the books.....maybe OB puts feelers out in the off-season and pounces on the deal that returns a 2021 RD3 & RD7, 2022 RD4, and a broken down DL that still has 23M cap hit for 2021.....and feeling like a pirate, gives up the Texans 2022 RD2 as well. Chalk up another amazing trade by the checker meister.
 
JB said:
He did hold out, albeit was only one day. If you tell him know then you either force a holdout or have a disgruntled player in the locker room
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From what I understand, holding out is not very player friendly these days. And I ain’t buying the disgruntled locker room BS. Never appeared to be an issue before.
 
Speedy said:
I don’t give a damn if he put out feelers or not. Part of the problem is, the league has a book on OB. They know they can take this dude. So maybe you’re right and that’s all he could get. If that’s the case, this guy doesn’t need to be an NFL GM.

We got a guy on the team now that’s never been to a Pro Bowl, much less been named All Pro, that’s been traded twice for a 1st. If you can’t get at least that for a 3 time All Pro with 3 years left on his contract, GM is not for you.
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OR.....maybe Nuk just wasn’t as prized and valuable as you thought he was after teams found out he was gonna want his contract redone 2 years into his current deal.
 
thunderkyss said:
He just better get this team to the AFCCG ismy only concern
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In essence, you're right. We can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. If O'Brien can make this a championship team, everything he's done is right. If not, he should be fired, from both jobs.

At least that's how it should be. Tired of arguing with the apologists. The season starts today.
 
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Lucky said:
In essence, you're right. We can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. If O'Brien can make this a championship team, everything he's done is right. If not, he should be fired, from both jobs.

At least that's how it should be. Tired of arguing with the apologists. The season starts today.
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What do you think about the article CnD posted?

I agree with your post though
 
steelbtexan said:
What do you think about the article CnD posted?

I agree with your post though
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I don't see where it takes into account any of the issues that led to the Texans seeking a trade, initially. After the dust settles, it's easy to justify how the $$$ was spent. Giving Mercilus and Martin extensions played a part in squeezing the cap, also. A lot of this is based off getting rid of Cooks and David Johnson's deals. Which makes those trades look even worse. There were many ways to spend the Texans cap room and draft capital. I'm certain a real NFL GM would have gotten more value.

Sorry, O'Brien is not a genius GM. Unless, he wins big. Otherwise, he's an unmitigated failure as a GM who tied the hands of the HC.
 
Lucky said:
I don't see where it takes into account any of the issues that led to the Texans seeking a trade, initially. After the dust settles, it's easy to justify how the $$$ was spent. Giving Mercilus and Martin extensions played a part in squeezing the cap, also. A lot of this is based off getting rid of Cooks and David Johnson's deals. Which makes those trades look even worse. There were many ways to spend the Texans cap room and draft capital. I'm certain a real NFL GM would have gotten more value.

Sorry, O'Brien is not a genius GM. Unless, he wins big. Otherwise, he's an unmitigated failure as a GM who tied the hands of the HC.
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Garbage rationale.

it doesn’t take any of it into account b/c it’s largely irrelevant. The big drivers for his trade were b/c he wanted more money. The big drivers for the compensation we ultimately received for him were b/c ..............he wanted more money and teams clearly didn’t want to give up a 1st for him. The only thing that has come out regarding any other reasons came from that slanted SI article.

noone’s trying to say BoB is a genius GM, but let’s not act like Nuk’s trade was about anything other than money.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I’ll call it bitter payback. OB was pizzed Hopkins wanted a new contract. OB didn’t have the cap space to give him his fair market value. Since Hopkins isn’t going to budge OB decides to trade him. OB also decides to make sure Hopkins knows what happens when you challenge the Boss....he trades him to the Cardinals and Bidwell thinking he really stuck it to him in the end. Personally, I don’t think OB expected Bidwell to give Hopkins the extension.

No, OB ducked up in the trade. Not one person associated with the NFL has stated that OB pulled off a great trade b/c it favored the Texans.
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Your scenario. of the trade of Hopkins reminds me of Old School coaches. Go against them and you paid for it.
 
Mr teX said:
it doesn’t take any of it into account b/c it’s largely irrelevant. The big drivers for his trade were b/c he wanted more money. The big drivers for the compensation we ultimately received for him were b/c ..............he wanted more money and teams clearly didn’t want to give up a 1st for him.
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What did the Jags get for Ramsey?
 
Well let’s bring this up while the salt is still being rubbed into the wound.

I guess the Texans locker room cancer turned into the Cardinals locker room Cancer....the zodiac sign!!! 14 catches out of 16 targets for an eye-opening 151 yards and what should’ve been a TD.

This was his first game experience with Kyler Murray. Anyone care to speculate as to what kind of season he may deliver in this offense once he gets a little more time with KM?

By the way.....DHop delivered these results on the road and against one of the better NFL defenses.
 
santo said:
I thought it was a bad thing for one receiver to get most of the targets? :thinking:
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And if the Texans first game is any indicator of things to come, Watson is going to just lock onto his next favorite target Will Fuller. If that turns out to being the case, getting rid of Hopkins cured nothing at all. Indeed, it may have made the offense less potent.

I understand there may have been some hidden motives in jettisoning Hopkins out of town for less than fair market value for a receiver of his caliber, but that may not change how Watson plays or how HC O’Brien functions. We’ll see.
 
banned1976 said:
And if the Texans first game is any indicator of things to come, Watson is going to just lock onto his next favorite target Will Fuller. If that turns out to being the case, getting rid of Hopkins cured nothing at all. Indeed, it may have made the offense less potent.

I understand there may have been some hidden motives in jettisoning Hopkins out of town for less than fair market value for a receiver of his caliber, but that may not change how Watson plays or how HC O’Brien functions. We’ll see.
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If the Texans 1st game is any indicator of things to come for other teams, its that KC's defense is seriously underrated. We had Nuk against them in the playoffs last year & it didn't seem to matter a whole lot.

As far as Nuk...I said he'd put up numbers out there...Kingsbury's offense is a high play volume type of offense & you gotta work real hard to not put up numbers in that system. But will those numbers matter in the end? Chances are probably not. Nuk put up those vintage Brandon Marshall numbers today. Those type of that he used to put up when he was playing in Denver.......when he was Jay Cutler's only real option out wide. 14-15 reception games. They look great on paper, but when you watch the games not a whole lot of them factor into the outcome of the game. Good for him, that's what he wants, to be targeted alot...
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Well let’s bring this up while the salt is still being rubbed into the wound.

I guess the Texans locker room cancer turned into the Cardinals locker room Cancer....the zodiac sign!!! 14 catches out of 16 targets for an eye-opening 151 yards and what should’ve been a TD.

This was his first game experience with Kyler Murray. Anyone care to speculate as to what kind of season he may deliver in this offense once he gets a little more time with KM?

By the way.....DHop delivered these results on the road and against one of the better NFL defenses.
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So lots of yards and no points. :kitten::tiphat:
 
banned1976 said:
And if the Texans first game is any indicator of things to come, Watson is going to just lock onto his next favorite target Will Fuller. If that turns out to being the case, getting rid of Hopkins cured nothing at all. Indeed, it may have made the offense less potent.

I understand there may have been some hidden motives in jettisoning Hopkins out of town for less than fair market value for a receiver of his caliber, but that may not change how Watson plays or how HC O’Brien functions. We’ll see.
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Perhaps those hidden motives were not about changing how Watson plays or how coach functions. Perhaps it was to move Hopkins. What came in return was just that. No bad GM decision but a Janice McNair decision. Agree with it or not.
 
Mr teX said:
If the Texans 1st game is any indicator of things to come for other teams, its that KC's defense is seriously underrated. We had Nuk against them in the playoffs last year & it didn't seem to matter a whole lot.

As far as Nuk...I said he'd put up numbers out there...Kingsbury's offense is a high play volume type of offense & you gotta work real hard to not put up numbers in that system. But will those numbers matter in the end? Chances are probably not. Nuk put up those vintage Brandon Marshall numbers today. Those type of that he used to put up when he was playing in Denver.......when he was Jay Cutler's only real option out wide. 14-15 reception games. They look great on paper, but when you watch the games not a whole lot of them factor into the outcome of the game. Good for him, that's what he wants, to be targeted alot...
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Yeah, Nuk didn't have a Fitzgerald as a WR2 in either of those KC losses. Oh, and he damm sure didn't have a Conservative Nancy (OB) calling the plays. Such a big difference.
 
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