Watson & Tunsil Contracts

[Earl34]

Seeing the numbers being thrown around for Tunsil and the lost draft picks, it's amazing how not being able to come to terms with Duane Brown has set this franchise back. Do you know in 2018, Brown signed an extension with the Seahawks for 3 years and $34.5 million?

Now we are talking $20 million per year for his replacement who I'm not even sure has outperformed Brown. Just incredible how the Texans always seem to take one step forward and two steps back. I can't recall a team in recent memory that has mismanage their draft picks, roster and home grown talent like the Texans.

 

[Earl34]

At least there's two former Texans (drafted by that boy Rick) on the list.

The Saints are incredible. Their LT, RT and RG all made that list.

 

[Texansballer74]

Seeing the numbers being thrown around for Tunsil and the lost draft picks, it's amazing how not being able to come to terms with Duane Brown has set this franchise back. Do you know in 2018, Brown signed an extension with the Seahawks for 3 years and $34.5 million?

Now we are talking $20 million per year for his replacement who I'm not even sure has outperformed Brown. Just incredible how the Texans always seem to take one step forward and two steps back. I can't recall a team in recent memory that has mismanage their draft picks, roster and home grown talent like the Texans.

Earl it’s unheard of bro.

 

[TheKDog]

Seeing the numbers being thrown around for Tunsil and the lost draft picks, it's amazing how not being able to come to terms with Duane Brown has set this franchise back. Do you know in 2018, Brown signed an extension with the Seahawks for 3 years and $34.5 million?

Now we are talking $20 million per year for his replacement who I'm not even sure has outperformed Brown. Just incredible how the Texans always seem to take one step forward and two steps back. I can't recall a team in recent memory that has mismanage their draft picks, roster and home grown talent like the Texans.

Yep, this is ending up even more lopsided.

Not only did we give up two firsts and a second for Tunsil, he is now going to be overpaid and a negative value contract.

We literally gave up 3 high picks to get worse for years

 

[badboy]

Tunsil I think we should do a 7-year deal. He is really young and LT's last a long time. Howard Is the perfect RT. Don't mess with a good situation. Do a 7 year 142 Million dollar contract. 20, 18, 18, 20, 21, 22, 23. Do 56 Million (first 3 seasons) fully guaranteed. That’s just over 20 mil per year average. After Three years our risk goes way down.

Great idea from our point of view but I don't see Tunsil agreeing to anything longer than 5 years as that would put him at 30 years of age and perfect for a final huge deal. If he improves as I believe, he could have six consecutive pro bowls and perhaps 1-3 all pro titles. The risk is in the GTD $ not total $ or season avg. Also there are more than one type GTD as worded in some of the recent OT deals.

 

[badboy]

Seeing the numbers being thrown around for Tunsil and the lost draft picks, it's amazing how not being able to come to terms with Duane Brown has set this franchise back. Do you know in 2018, Brown signed an extension with the Seahawks for 3 years and $34.5 million?

Now we are talking $20 million per year for his replacement who I'm not even sure has outperformed Brown. Just incredible how the Texans always seem to take one step forward and two steps back. I can't recall a team in recent memory that has mismanage their draft picks, roster and home grown talent like the Texans.

You left out one huge thing, Brown was 32 YOA and Tunsil is almost 26. Both born in August. That plus the annual bump in salary plus the new CBA money explains most of that. Guys like Laremy and Watson and not long ago Trent Brown getting silly money if not stupid $. It is where NFL is in history.

 

[maverick512000]

Seeing the numbers being thrown around for Tunsil and the lost draft picks, it's amazing how not being able to come to terms with Duane Brown has set this franchise back. Do you know in 2018, Brown signed an extension with the Seahawks for 3 years and $34.5 million?

Now we are talking $20 million per year for his replacement who I'm not even sure has outperformed Brown. Just incredible how the Texans always seem to take one step forward and two steps back. I can't recall a team in recent memory that has mismanage their draft picks, roster and home grown talent like the Texans.

Yeah that was in 2018, since then we have had a new CBA signed and middle of the road LT Trent Brown reset the market. Also as the Hopkins situation has shown us a player having 3 years left on a contract apparently means nothing so there is no evidence that even if DB was still here he wouldn't be demanding to be paid like Trent Brown. You want to blame someone for DB not being here blame Bob McNair but if you want to blame someone for the high price tag we are going to have to pay Tunsil blame the Raiders. Again Tunsil will only be the highest paid LT until the next stud LT needs a new contract. We just got unlucky in that our guy was first on the rotation or maybe it was actually lucky because in 2-3 years Tunsil deal will be average or even cheap for an elite LT.

 

[mussop]

there is absolutely nothing to support the first paragraph in your post. It is strictly your opinion. It may be a Correct or it could be 100% incorrect. We have no way of knowing whether the Texans tried to renegotiate or not. It just does not exist as known evidence. Even if they did he could have Nancy Reagan'ed them. Most evidence supports Watson and Tunsil waiting until after TV rights settled and cap space under new CBA known. That makes more sense than you assuming no attempt to extend his contract. The "no extension, no trade" you bring up, is your POV. Mine is better to protect #4 2019 and 2020 plus control Tunsil 4 total years was worth it. We did pay too much but at some point I moved on.

the Texans blew the business part of it. Where Houston erred here is not even trying to get a contract extension done with Tunsil. He is due $12.5-million over the next two seasons. Last year, when Khalil Mack was in the process of being traded from Oakland to Chicago, the Bears got a new contract done with Mack before making the mega-trade. Bill O’Brien, or someone inside the GM-less Texans, should have told Tunsil and his agent: We’ll do this deal with Miami, and we really want you, but only if you extend your contract for five years at $18-million average, with $50 million guaranteed. And you’ve got six hours to decide. I’m guessing at the numbers, but for a guy about to make $2.15 million in his fourth NFL season, at 25, playing for the worst team in the league, well, that doesn’t seem like much of a decision to me. And Houston got nothing done with his contract. That means if Tunsil is as good as Houston thinks this year, the Texans will owe him a lot more in 2020 or ’21 when they’ve got to pay him.

How the Texans botched the Laremy Tunsil trade

The Texans may not have overpaid for Laremy Tunsil, but Peter King believes Houston messed up in one major area of the trade.

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[mussop]

the Texans blew the business part of it. Where Houston erred here is not even trying to get a contract extension done with Tunsil. He is due $12.5-million over the next two seasons. Last year, when Khalil Mack was in the process of being traded from Oakland to Chicago, the Bears got a new contract done with Mack before making the mega-trade. Bill O’Brien, or someone inside the GM-less Texans, should have told Tunsil and his agent: We’ll do this deal with Miami, and we really want you, but only if you extend your contract for five years at $18-million average, with $50 million guaranteed. And you’ve got six hours to decide. I’m guessing at the numbers, but for a guy about to make $2.15 million in his fourth NFL season, at 25, playing for the worst team in the league, well, that doesn’t seem like much of a decision to me. And Houston got nothing done with his contract. That means if Tunsil is as good as Houston thinks this year, the Texans will owe him a lot more in 2020 or ’21 when they’ve got to pay him.

How the Texans botched the Laremy Tunsil trade

The Texans may not have overpaid for Laremy Tunsil, but Peter King believes Houston messed up in one major area of the trade.

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And because of that we had to get rid of our best WRs salary so we could pay him. F! Big giant fkn F!

 

[maverick512000]

the Texans blew the business part of it. Where Houston erred here is not even trying to get a contract extension done with Tunsil. He is due $12.5-million over the next two seasons. Last year, when Khalil Mack was in the process of being traded from Oakland to Chicago, the Bears got a new contract done with Mack before making the mega-trade. Bill O’Brien, or someone inside the GM-less Texans, should have told Tunsil and his agent: We’ll do this deal with Miami, and we really want you, but only if you extend your contract for five years at $18-million average, with $50 million guaranteed. And you’ve got six hours to decide. I’m guessing at the numbers, but for a guy about to make $2.15 million in his fourth NFL season, at 25, playing for the worst team in the league, well, that doesn’t seem like much of a decision to me. And Houston got nothing done with his contract. That means if Tunsil is as good as Houston thinks this year, the Texans will owe him a lot more in 2020 or ’21 when they’ve got to pay him.

How the Texans botched the Laremy Tunsil trade

The Texans may not have overpaid for Laremy Tunsil, but Peter King believes Houston messed up in one major area of the trade.

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So other than him talking out his @$$ how does he know they didn't try to get a deal done? I mean he could have at least claimed sources. Also his wonderful "We’ll do this deal with Miami, and we really want you, but only if you extend your contract for five years at $18-million average, with $50 million guaranteed. And you’ve got six hours to decide." What a load of crap, that's easy for a guy sitting behind a keyboard that doesn't have to be accountable for anything to say. If I was Tunsil's agent and Texans had said that to me I'd have laughed in their faces and said "Cut the BS, you are going to do the deal with Miami anyway because you can't afford your star QB to take another 60 sacks. Now my client will sign after the new CBA is signed and not before. Oh and just for that little stunt the price went up another 3 million."

 

[mussop]

So other than him talking out his @$$ how does he know they didn't try to get a deal done? I mean he could have at least claimed sources. Also his wonderful "We’ll do this deal with Miami, and we really want you, but only if you extend your contract for five years at $18-million average, with $50 million guaranteed. And you’ve got six hours to decide." What a load of crap, that's easy for a guy sitting behind a keyboard that doesn't have to be accountable for anything to say. If I was Tunsil's agent and Texans had said that to me I'd have laughed in their faces and said "Cut the BS, you are going to do the deal with Miami anyway because you can't afford your star QB to take another 60 sacks. Now my client will sign after the new CBA is signed and not before. Oh and just for that little stunt the price went up another 3 million."

It happens just like that all the time. Maybe with a different tone but teams usually reach out to the players representative and discuss contract before making a trade final. Especially where there’s that amount of compensation involved.

 

[maverick512000]

It happens just like that all the time. Maybe with a different tone but teams usually reach out to the players representative and discuss contract before making a trade final. Especially where there’s that amount of compensation involved.

And again what evidence is there the Texans didn’t try?

 

[badboy]

the Texans blew the business part of it. Where Houston erred here is not even trying to get a contract extension done with Tunsil. He is due $12.5-million over the next two seasons. Last year, when Khalil Mack was in the process of being traded from Oakland to Chicago, the Bears got a new contract done with Mack before making the mega-trade. Bill O’Brien, or someone inside the GM-less Texans, should have told Tunsil and his agent: We’ll do this deal with Miami, and we really want you, but only if you extend your contract for five years at $18-million average, with $50 million guaranteed. And you’ve got six hours to decide. I’m guessing at the numbers, but for a guy about to make $2.15 million in his fourth NFL season, at 25, playing for the worst team in the league, well, that doesn’t seem like much of a decision to me. And Houston got nothing done with his contract. That means if Tunsil is as good as Houston thinks this year, the Texans will owe him a lot more in 2020 or ’21 when they’ve got to pay him.

How the Texans botched the Laremy Tunsil trade

The Texans may not have overpaid for Laremy Tunsil, but Peter King believes Houston messed up in one major area of the trade.

sports.nbcsports.com

Thanks for supporting my position. Peter King has zero info and as you guesses no effort to extend was made. The first part of your own link begins saying the trade was not much an overpayment if at all. He supports the trade and points out we have Tunsil protecting #4 for two seasons, minimum. Look, it is just as likely that Texans wanted to negotiate LTD but Agent said "No. We'll get back to you on that after 2019..or later". Knowing a team has greater chance of signing their own guy plus now control his tags, made a great decision to table $ and bring him in. Of course all of us wanted him to arrive with a 2011 CBA cap but that was not happening. No sane football player let alone his agent at the time would have agreed to an extension. Tunsil was going to get his money somewhere rather than not. WHy not play for a team that has an alleged top 5 QB and goes to POs regularly?

 

[Max]

It doesn't matter if they tried to extend Tunsil. They went ahead with the trade either way knowing that there was only 2 years left on his deal. So it boils down to if you think that smart teams should give up that much compensation for a player who might turn out to be a 2 year rental. I don't think smart teams do this deal w/out the extension but that's me.

 

[mussop]

And again what evidence is there the Texans didn’t try?

Where’s the evidence they did? you don’t think at some point it would of leaked out by now If they tried ? it’s been wildly criticized.

 

[mussop]

Thanks for supporting my position. Peter King has zero info and as you guesses no effort to extend was made. The first part of your own link begins saying the trade was not much an overpayment if at all. He supports the trade and points out we have Tunsil protecting #4 for two seasons, minimum. Look, it is just as likely that Texans wanted to negotiate LTD but Agent said "No. We'll get back to you on that after 2019..or later". Knowing a team has greater chance of signing their own guy plus now control his tags, made a great decision to table $ and bring him in. Of course all of us wanted him to arrive with a 2011 CBA cap but that was not happening. No sane football player let alone his agent at the time would have agreed to an extension. Tunsil was going to get his money somewhere rather than not. WHy not play for a team that has an alleged top 5 QB and goes to POs regularly?

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lol I’m no peter king fan but I’m sure he has better connections than any of us. So you’re guessing he has zero evidence. when The trade first happened there was a lot of criticism that we didn‘t get him to agree on a new contract. You assume emperor O tried to negotiate but why? What has this turd done that gives you confidence in him to make a sound business deal? Was it the incredible haul we got for Clowney? Or or the massive value we received in the Hopkins trade? What about giving up a third round pick for a guy he criminally underused When you Can get a really good 3down RB in third round of this draft. Trust me you can. I don’t what it is about BOB that makes some of you guys so confident he’s doing the right things When clearly the entire football world is laughing at him. It’s a real head scratcher.

you make a good point about “Knowing a team has greater chance of signing their own guy plus now control his tags, made a great decision to table $ and bring him in.” But Was it a great decision? Or did he do it “without having a play“ in that situation? IMO he’s winging it. He has no efen clue what he’s doing. Just like he had no play for that critical fourth down. For six years he’s been doing the same stupid shot over and over again. People saying that easterbee is a con artist make me laugh. It’s OB that is the Shyster. Without getting any better at his job, got an extension and absolute power over the entire organization.

Of course all of us wanted him to arrive with a 2011 CBA cap but that was not happening. No sane football player let alone his agent at the time would have agreed to an extension. Tunsil was going to get his money somewhere rather than not. WHy not play for a team that has an alleged top 5 QB and goes to POs regularly?

 

[thunderkyss]

And you’ve got six hours to decide. I’m guessing at the numbers, but for a guy about to make $2.15 million in his fourth NFL season, at 25, playing for the worst team in the league, well, that doesn’t seem like much of a decision to me

I would have to believe Tunsil's agent told him from day one, "You got screwed." Keep your head on straight. Invest your money wisely, when you hit FA we'll get it all back.

So he was already resigned to play for $2.5M in 2020 & 2021. & cash in in FA.

 

[maverick512000]

Where’s the evidence they did? you don’t think at some point it would of leaked out by now If they tried ? it’s been wildly criticized.

No actually I'm not so sure it would have. Say what you want about the Texans but one thing they do better than most teams is keeping their business in house. I mean the Gaine story would be far more interesting and juicy and we still no nothing about what happened there. You are agreeing with King because he is saying what you already believe but that doesn't change the fact that he has no sources, not even anonymous ones, so it is simply him stating his opinion just like any of us.

 

[thunderkyss]

They went ahead with the trade either way knowing that there was only 2 years left on his deal. So it boils down to if you think that smart teams should give up that much compensation for a player who might turn out to be a 2 year rental.

Or they made up their mind they will resign him no matter what. They'll make him the highest paid LT in the league. They're going to guarantee all of it. He's going to get paid, we're going to take care of him.

 

[maverick512000]

I would have to believe Tunsil's agent told him from day one, "You got screwed." Keep your head on straight. Invest your money wisely, when you hit FA we'll get it all back.

So he was already resigned to play for $2.5M in 2020 & 2021. & cash in in FA.

Yeah its like people on here have forgotten the basic way NFL deals work in their blind hate of OB. Every rookie knows that they are going to be playing on that rookie deal for at least 4-5 years because that's the price to get into the NFL and for teams to take the chance on drafting you. If you prove yourself and look like you've got a future in the game then you make it back the first time you are going to hit F/A. Tunsil is not the first guy to fall in the draft and he's not the first guy to have to play below value until his contract is up. Welcome to the NFL.

It's just like the Hopkins issue around here. Now I didn't like how the deal was done and I damn sure didn't like the value we got for him but I'm not giving Hopkins a pass for his BS about wanting a new contract when he still had 3 years left. Any other HC/GM on any other team and people would be saying "Don't let your player hold you hostage like that because you are going to get screwed on every deal going forward." Hopkins wasn't some rookie signing his first F/A contract and when he signed that new deal EVERYONE was saying how the Texans took care of him and pony upped the money to keep him. Now just because the price has gone up, which it always does, and some other player is making more he suddenly wants to get more knowing we were going to have to pay Watson and Tunsil. That's some BS and OB should have either made him play or made him sit out and lose money. Not only that but I think under the new CBA the punishments for a vet sitting out are much more strict.

 

[Max]

Or they made up their mind they will resign him no matter what. They'll make him the highest paid LT in the league. They're going to guarantee all of it. He's going to get paid, we're going to take care of him.

And if that's the case, then we're guilty of being the sucker that people are saying other teams were too smart to be in the Hopkins trade. Isn't that the argument for why we got so little for Hopkins? He was going to want more $ with the new team so teams weren't willing to give up as much because they knew that they were going to have to pay him? Those are the things that are supposed to factor into how much smart teams pay in a trade. We're the sucker paying what other teams won't pay us for our talent. We're on the wrong end of almost every deal with BOB in terms of value.

 

[Rich Schmidt]

I would have to believe Tunsil's agent told him from day one, "You got screwed." Keep your head on straight. Invest your money wisely, when you hit FA we'll get it all back.

So he was already resigned to play for $2.5M in 2020 & 2021. & cash in in FA.

Poor guy was actually going have to survive with $10.3m in 2020 and frnachise tag in 2021, or hit FA and make $18m/year plus so why would he sign when the trade went down? Poor guy. This went down fast thanks to Clowney's veto, the team had to decide if they would commit to pay LT whatever it takes in 2020 or 2021 and if there first offer was $18.5m per year, he is gonna get paid. I think LT would have enough money in the bank if he plays 2020 and wants to use leverage then, but once he hears the right GTD money this year, he resigns to make all his worries go away. There was not time like in the Khalil Mack trade etc, because Gaine and Clowney had f'ed this up. Gaine did not act soon enough and Clowney had and still has an unreasonable salary expectation. Looked like Miami was going to take him instead of the second 1st rounder until he vetoed it.

 

[mussop]

Yeah its like people on here have forgotten the basic way NFL deals work in their blind hate of OB. Every rookie knows that they are going to be playing on that rookie deal for at least 4-5 years because that's the price to get into the NFL and for teams to take the chance on drafting you. If you prove yourself and look like you've got a future in the game then you make it back the first time you are going to hit F/A. Tunsil is not the first guy to fall in the draft and he's not the first guy to have to play below value until his contract is up. Welcome to the NFL.

It's just like the Hopkins issue around here. Now I didn't like how the deal was done and I damn sure didn't like the value we got for him but I'm not giving Hopkins a pass for his BS about wanting a new contract when he still had 3 years left. Any other HC/GM on any other team and people would be saying "Don't let your player hold you hostage like that because you are going to get screwed on every deal going forward." Hopkins wasn't some rookie signing his first F/A contract and when he signed that new deal EVERYONE was saying how the Texans took care of him and pony upped the money to keep him. Now just because the price has gone up, which it always does, and some other player is making more he suddenly wants to get more knowing we were going to have to pay Watson and Tunsil. That's some BS and OB should have either made him play or made him sit out and lose money. Not only that but I think under the new CBA the punishments for a vet sitting out are much more strict.

Miami still hand him for two more years and the could of franchised him for another two so that is four years of risking injury. So the argument that his agent would of been stupid to take a deal paying him like one of the top OTs and with guaranteed money is silly.

and for the record I don’t think we paid too much. I’m fine with everything about this trade except not getting a contract in place before the trade. That almost never happens.
Go to draft thread that year I was begging for us to trade up and take Tunsil.

And people here don’t have blind hate for OB. There eyes are open it’s you and a few others that are blind to his incompetence.

 

[maverick512000]

Miami still hand him for two more years and the could of franchised him for another two so that is four years of risking injury. So the argument that his agent would of been stupid to take a deal paying him like one of the top OTs and with guaranteed money is silly.

and for the record I don’t think we paid too much. I’m fine with everything about this trade except not getting a contract in place before the trade. That almost never happens.
Go to draft thread that year I was begging for us to trade up and take Tunsil.

And people here don’t have blind hate for OB. There eyes are open it’s you and a few others that are blind to his incompetence.

You know I'm sick of defending myself from dumb@$$ statements like this. Fine if you can't stop and look at things objectively and only read what you want to read then I can't help you. Just ignore the many times I and others have stated what an idiot he is, just ignore that there are posters on here that have NEVER said anything good about anything the Texans have done, just ignore that there are posters on here that have literally stated that they believe OB took control and started screwing up with the first draft right after he was hired, just ignore that there are people that believe the only times we fail is because of OB and the only times we succeed is in spite of him. So fine if it makes you happy here you go.

BILL O'BRIEN IS THE GREATEST HEAD COACH AND GENERAL MANAGER NOT JUST OF THE TEXAN'S BUT IN ALL THE NFL HISTORY. I HOPE AND PRAY THAT HE TRADES AWAY EVERY SINGLE PLAYER STARTING WITH WATSON AND WATT AND DRAFTS AND SIGNS ONLY PEOPLE HE FEELS ARE HARD WORKERS AND TEXANS WORTHY.

There, that make you happy?

 

[thunderkyss]

And if that's the case, then we're guilty of being the sucker that people are saying other teams were too smart to be in the Hopkins trade

Absolutely, I never argued that. BO'bs adumass

 

[badboy]

I am waiting to see what Tunsil signs for. I wish we still had Chris Owens working the contracts as he was excellent.

 

[Uncle Rico]

OBrien and Tunsil negotiations in a nutshell:

 

[IDEXAN]

Seeing the numbers being thrown around for Tunsil and the lost draft picks, it's amazing how not being able to come to terms with Duane Brown has set this franchise back. Do you know in 2018, Brown signed an extension with the Seahawks for 3 years and $34.5 million?

Now we are talking $20 million per year for his replacement who I'm not even sure has outperformed Brown. Just incredible how the Texans always seem to take one step forward and two steps back. I can't recall a team in recent memory that has mismanage their draft picks, roster and home grown talent like the Texans.

Just more examples of the incompetence of the precedent setting GM Bill O'Brien. Him and Cal McNair have in record time become the new standards for Dumb & Dumber.

 

[Double Barrel]

I hope neither of them resign with this franchise ….

I agree. If these players want to win championships, they GTFO asap. This organization is not going to do it, regardless of how much "team" BS this clown HC/GM bleats out.

But this franchise will squeeze everything they can out of Watson, for marketing purposes if nothing else. They've got 4 years locked in, so they've got plenty of time to David Carr the heck out of him. He knows this, too, which is why he's playing the subtle game of cryptic messages. He wants out. I'm sure a team out there will give up a 2021 2nd round pick and maybe a 7th in 2022. O'Brien would absolutely love this trade.

 

[santo]

I agree. If these players want to win championships, they GTFO asap. This organization is not going to do it, regardless of how much "team" BS this clown HC/GM bleats out.

But this franchise will squeeze everything they can out of Watson, for marketing purposes if nothing else. They've got 4 years locked in, so they've got plenty of time to David Carr the heck out of him. He knows this, too, which is why he's playing the subtle game of cryptic messages. He wants out. I'm sure a team out there will give up a 2021 2nd round pick and maybe a 7th in 2022. O'Brien would absolutely love this trade.

He would need an over the hill player with an expiring contract in return to sweeten the deal.

As long as that player is a great teammate and practice warrior.

 

[Corrosion]

I agree. If these players want to win championships, they GTFO asap. This organization is not going to do it, regardless of how much "team" BS this clown HC/GM bleats out.

But this franchise will squeeze everything they can out of Watson, for marketing purposes if nothing else. They've got 4 years locked in, so they've got plenty of time to David Carr the heck out of him. He knows this, too, which is why he's playing the subtle game of cryptic messages. He wants out. I'm sure a team out there will give up a 2021 2nd round pick and maybe a 7th in 2022. O'Brien would absolutely love this trade.

My reasons for not wanting either to stay are not related to the players individually …. but their impact on the final record.

I want a complete and total meltdown of this team / franchise in hopes that ownership realizes the error of their ways with hopes that they do something different going forward.
Mediocrity is acceptable with this ownership group & they are unwilling to make changes.

If not …. I hope they sell the franchise to someone who's first priority is NFL Championships , not AFC South banners and takes losing personal.

 

[Hervoyel]

Watson would be insane to stay here. He should play out his contract and sign elsewhere. If the man has a competitive bone in his body (and he is obviously a fierce competitor) then he has to know that he's never going to win anything but meaningless AFC South titles in Houston as long as he plays for O'Brien. If I were in his shoes I'd tell them right now that I have no intention of ever signing another deal with this team and that Butt-Chin might as well go ahead and get his two third round picks and a bucket of chicken wings for me from the Patriots now before my "value" drops.

The moment Hopkins went out the door I think Watson probably saw everything he needed to see about this. If he wants a ring he's going to have to get one without a Texans logo on it.

 

[thunderkyss]

I hope, beyond hope, that I am wrong about BO'b & these things work out in his favor. That the Texans become wildly successful & true contenders in the next few seasons, & winning a Super Bowl trophy.

 

[Uncle Rico]

ahhhhhh yes ... the "i hope Im wrong" hedge bet early in the process to allow wiggle room in the "deep down I really felt this way" discussion. Nice.

 

[justmy2cents]

Absolutely, I never argued that. BO'bs adumass

Well, on a more serious note, I haven't heard that name in a long time. That was the title of a biographical movie about some dude named Mozart .... right ?

 

[Mangler]

ahhhhhh yes ... the "i hope Im wrong" hedge bet early in the process to allow wiggle room in the "deep down I really felt this way" discussion. Nice.

Why are you so emotional? Get a grip! The guy literally just said he hopes O’Brien proves him wrong, as he truly has no faith in him. Neither do I, along with the entire NFL world. Let me guess, I must be a Kubiak lover, right? That’s the only logical explanation?

In all honesty, I do hope O’Brien somehow finally figures it out and delivers what we’ve all been waiting for. But then I look back at the past 6, going on 7 years of the same mediocre play calling/coaching and I’m quickly reminded that O’Brien ain’t worth a damn. Nothing personal. Oh, but that’s not it (according to a few posters) it’s gotta be that I love Kubiak and hate O’Brien, lol.

 

[Uncle Rico]

Why are you so emotional? Get a grip! The guy literally just said he hopes O’Brien proves him wrong, as he truly has no faith in him. Neither do I, along with the entire NFL world. Let me guess, I must be a Kubiak lover, right? That’s the only logical explanation.

In all honesty, I do hope O’Brien somehow finally figures it out and delivers what we’ve all been waiting for. But then I look back at the past 6, going on 7 years of the same mediocre play calling/coaching and I’m quickly reminded that O’Brien ain’t worth a damn.

LOL - its the insecurity defense. Dont want to seem like you're rocking the boat, even though deep down you feel a certain way, but just in case you want to be sure that you can also hang with the cool kids if the outcome is the other way. If that works for you, and you like it - then I LOVE IT. Do you buddy.

I will never, ever, EVER - enjoy winning with Bill OBrien at the helm. He is everything I despise in a leader and isnt far from a bonafide con man, but lucky for me I'll always use the " i HoPe iM WrOnG" line in jest, but yeah nothing wrong with defending your bros - TK is ok by me, but he knows what he does.

You're no Kubiak lover ---- I'M THE KUBIAK LOVER!!

 

[Texansballer74]

LOL - its the insecurity defense. Dont want to seem like you're rocking the boat, even though deep down you feel a certain way, but just in case you want to be sure that you can also hang with the cool kids if the outcome is the other way. If that works for you, and you like it - then I LOVE IT. Do you buddy.

I will never, ever, EVER - enjoy winning with Bill OBrien at the helm. He is everything I despise in a leader and isnt far from a bonafide con man, but lucky for me I'll always use the " i HoPe iM WrOnG" line in jest, but yeah nothing wrong with defending your bros - TK is ok by me, but he knows what he does.

You're no Kubiak lover ---- I'M THE KUBIAK LOVER!!

As much as he come at members I was surprised by that response

 

[thunderkyss]

I will never, ever, EVER - enjoy winning with Bill OBrien at the helm.

Bully for you.

Me, I couldn't care less. Just win baby.

I don't see how what BO'b is doing leads to winning. Deep down, looks like he's adumass.

I love me some Kubiak. & I'd love for the Texans to win a Super Bowl with him calling the shots. But I just don't see it happening.

I'm glad he won one in Denver. Warms my heart that PNG born & raised Wade Phillips was there with him.

But I'll be floating & gloating if the Texans win a Super Bowl with BO'b calling the shots.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Texans ‘working hard’ to get deal done with Laremy Tunsil
Aaron Wilson , Houston Chronicle April 16, 2020 Updated: April 16, 2020 2:55 p.m.

Contract negotiations between Texans coach and general manager Bill O'Brien and Pro Bowl left offensive tackle Laremy Tunsil continue to progress.

The Texans have made an offer to make Tunsil the highest paid offensive tackle in the NFL with an $18.5 million average per year, according to league sources not authorized to speak publicly.

Tunsil has asked for $22 million per year, according to sources. At some point, the Texans and Tunsil are expected to meet somewhere in the middle and hammer out a blockbuster contract extension.

"We're working hard to try to get a deal done," O'Brien said.

Tunsil is representing himself after firing Creative Artists Agency in February. Tunsil is advised by Los Angeles-based Life Line Financial Group, including Humble Likanga, as well as his business manager, Laolu Sanni.

"Laremy and I have been in touch quite a bit," O'Brien said. "Laremy is a great guy. He's a great part of our team. We've been in a lot of contact. I don't want to get into the details of that."

 

[maverick512000]

Bully for you.

Me, I couldn't care less. Just win baby.

I don't see how what BO'b is doing leads to winning. Deep down, looks like he's adumass.

I love me some Kubiak. & I'd love for the Texans to win a Super Bowl with him calling the shots. But I just don't see it happening.

I'm glad he won one in Denver. Warms my heart that PNG born & raised Wade Phillips was there with him.

But I'll be floating & gloating if the Texans win a Super Bowl with BO'b calling the shots.

You know being a "OB defender" gets thrown around this place like its the worst thing a person could be but I don't think I have ever seen a team message boards where so many "fans" actively hopes the team does bad not so they can get a high pick and snag their franchise player but because they don't want to see the coach have success. The latest thing is calling someone a "logo fan" well no sh!t sherlock, I thought that's what being a fan meant that you want the TEAM to win no matter who its with. I don't care if OB trades away every single player and replaces them with whatever bums he finds on the Houston street intersections if he wins a Super Bowl with them. Likewise I don't care if the Texans fired OB tomorrow and replaced him the janitor if it leads to a Super Bowl.

So yes I hope OB's plans and moves work and yes I hope he is the smartest guy in the room if he is that way while wearing a Texans cap and jacket just like I hope Watson is the greatest QB in history as long as he is wearing a Texans jersey. Its a big reason I don't buy player jersey's because I only hope they are good while they are on this team. I wish Hopkins nothing but the best health wise but playing wise I hope he never catches another ball anytime the Cards play us, they play Dallas I hope he hang 100 points on their necks. I will never understand actively hoping your team fails just so you can say "I told we sucked" well congratulations, you were right and we suck, does that make you happier knowing that your team sucks? I would much, much rather say "Damn did they ever prove me wrong and I'll take a double helping of crow if I can eat it while looking at our shiny new trophy."

If that makes me an OB defender or logo fan or whatever then so be it.

 

[Lucky]

If that makes me an OB defender or logo fan or whatever then so be it.

Defender or basher, it’s about being honest in what you see. Do you really like the trades? Trading the cow for magic beans. I mean Billy says they’re magic. You want to believe they’re magic.

I’ve never seen magic beans, myself. So a cow for beans looks like a crappy deal to me. “I’ll wait and see if there is really a magic beanstalk like Billy said.” OK, just understand why others are laughing.

 

[CWTexansFan]

Defender or basher, it’s about being honest in what you see. Do you really like the trades? Trading the cow for magic beans. I mean Billy says they’re magic. You want to believe they’re magic.

I’ve never seen magic beans, myself. So a cow for beans looks like a crappy deal to me. “I’ll wait and see if there is really a magic beanstalk like Billy said.” OK, just understand why others are laughing.

What is they both produce tons of gas for 1000, Alex?

Sorry, I'll go back to my corner.

 

[maverick512000]

Defender or basher, it’s about being honest in what you see. Do you really like the trades? Trading the cow for magic beans. I mean Billy says they’re magic. You want to believe they’re magic.

I’ve never seen magic beans, myself. So a cow for beans looks like a crappy deal to me. “I’ll wait and see if there is really a magic beanstalk like Billy said.” OK, just understand why others are laughing.

I have been honest, been nothing but honest. Just because someone sees something different than you doesn’t mean they aren’t being honest and, news flash, doesn’t mean they are wrong either.

Now that being said no I didn’t like the Hopkins trade and have said so. Cooks I don’t like that it seemed to be a band aid move after Hopkins but the trade by itself with no other factors I think was fairly good value. Cooks had an off year in a year that most of the Rams looked bad. Texans have had a history of getting things out of players that other teams can’t so I’m willing to wait and see.

 

[Corrosion]

You know being a "OB defender" gets thrown around this place like its the worst thing a person could be but I don't think I have ever seen a team message boards where so many "fans" actively hopes the team does bad not so they can get a high pick and snag their franchise player but because they don't want to see the coach have success. .

I think you misinterpret why people want him gone / to fail.


We feel like 9-7 / 10-6 a wildcard win if we are lucky and getting trounced in divisional round is as good as it gets with OB and the talent we have (or had) is better than that.


We also know that anything short of a complete meltdown means several more years of this same crap - Watson winning just enough games to keep him employed , we'd rather lose now so we have some hope of more than mediocrity in the near future.

I mean , if you are content with the status quo …. I get it , they win some games but I don't think this guy gets the full potential out of this group and the mismanagement of players is icing on the cake.

OB has to go and the only way for that to happen is to have a bad season.

We aint getting where we want to go as long as this clown is running the show.

 

[JB]

We aint getting where we want to go as long as this clown is running the show.

Yeah, but the next clowns may be worse ala the Oilers both pre and post Bum

 

[Corrosion]

Yeah, but the next clowns may be worse ala the Oilers both pre and post Bum

That's a chance I'm willing to take …. could be worse , could be the same , might be better.



Mired in mediocrity , knowing you'll never get a Lombardi or take a swing for the fences ?

 

[Lucky]

Texans have had a history of getting things out of players that other teams can’t so I’m willing to wait and see.

??? Hyde and Fells and ??? Hyde is back on the market, so the rest of the league must think it was some Texan magic.

I do think the Pro-O'Brien side is not that Pro-O'Brien. The Anti-O'Brien crowd isn't actively rooting against the Texans on game day. And, neither side will have any impact on whether O'Brien stays or goes. It would be great if both Johnson and Cooks return to 2016 form. Logic and reason tell a lot of us that happening is extremely unlikely. But, that doesn't mean we want the Texans to crash and burn. Just that if O'Brien continues to make emotional and impulsive decisions, we believe that's where this is heading.

 

[Speedy]

I am not, nor am I ever rooting for the Texans to lose, even if it means getting rid of OB. I just think it's going to happen because of the way the franchise is being run. The getting rid of above average to great talent and getting very little in return model the Texans employ, is not sustainable. This smoke and mirrors show they've been running, winning these division titles, is coming to a screeching halt sooner rather than later. And the way they get destroyed in playoff games shows it is smoke and mirrors.

Bill O'Brien's offense got worse every year he was here, until Watson came along to literally save his ass. Not once in 6 years has OB demonstrated the ability to take advantage of his player's talents, yet some now think we have a chance to have this wide open offense with all of this speed we now have. Sure, it's fun to think about with someone who knows how to take advantage of it, but that hasn't been Bill O'Brien in 6 years. Why would anyone think that changes in year 7?

And now the defense is horrible. Actually has been for a couple of years. Absolutely no pass rushers and a hodgepodge of JAGs in the secondary. Of course, OB doesn't believe in the draft, because he's incapable of coaching up players, so they are limited in their resources to stock this roster with talent. That means they either have to overpay or undervalue to fill the roster. That isn't sustainable.

I don't want the Texans going 5-11, 2-14 or whatever, just to get rid of this guy, I just think that's how it's going to happen because the model is crap.

 

[AcresHomesTexan]

I do think the Pro-O'Brien side is not that Pro-O'Brien.

Correct. If zero is BOB=Stalin/Hitler/Satan and 10 BOB equals the GOAT of coaching, I think the pro side is mostly 6s with one or two 7s. I am probably a 4 on that scale and would be lumped as a lover if I posted more.