Mangler
Toro de España
I’m sure a pocket passer (O’Brien’s preferred type QB) would have fared so much better in that particular situation.
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Brandin Cooks to the Texans
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Wrong in terms of trying to score points. If Watson ends up doing that then he'll get criticized even more.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Watson didn't even have time to drop back ley alone set his feet. Both blockers got beaten so badly on that play. But this dude wants to blame Watson. Wow I might need to do what Earl is doing.
Regardless of the QB. This type of play seems to be a staple of O'Brien's ED version of the Patriots' EP offense.
Playing that way, I can already see SteelBS spamming this forum about Watson cannot read the defense and is checking down before the routes develop.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Yeah like Rothlisberger, Eli Manning and Rodgers.
And Mahomes and Wilson (2 super bowl winners)
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
HOLY CRAP! That just gave me deja vu of the first game in 2017 when OBrien was miffed about being handed Deshaun Watson, and he pouted all summer camp and didnt allow Watson to get any run with the 1's and then I saw Tom Savage drop back for the first time that year and knew immediately he was doomed.
I've not been more distressed as a fan then that moment. It reminded me of my old junior high coach dropping back in QB drills! LOL
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
but that was Tom Sa ... ahhh nevermind!! Its all Deshaun Watson fault!! LMAO.
Besides Manning, I'm not sure those guys meet the prerequisite for that mythical OB QB. They hold onto the ball, move around too much and since they are right handed, they even have a tendency to drift right.
I mentioned Manning because it was his Houdini act in the SB that allowed the Giants to win. I'm pretty sure the Pats didn't see a QB just standing there in the pocket when Manning made that throw to Tyree.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
YEsssss!!! The "drifting right" analysis/hypothesis I almost forgot about that gem! Nice!
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
The Texans need a RG in the worst way. I'd give Martin a pass for 2020 if the Texans could obtain a top RG athlete in the draft. If Martin is still getting rag-dolled this season.....this is the reason I want Cervanka in this draft as well. He'd have this season to learn the system and could be ready to replace Martin at Center in 2021.
2020
LT- Tunsil
LG- Scharping
OC- Martin
RG- Wlson
RT- Howard
2021
LT- Tunsil
LG- Scharping
OC- Cervanka
RG- Wilson
RT- Howard
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dream_team
Hall of Fame
That play has been discussed alot! And even Watson explained how he recognized the blitz, was going to throw to his hot route, but the receiver stumbled. Combine that with the RT getting easily beat, there really weren't any options for him but to go into Houdini mode. Yes, follow Earl's footsteps. Just not worth it.
I understand being upset at the value given up compared to Cooks production last season.
I understand the optics, it looks like we're trying to replace Hopkins with a guy who barely gets had 500 yards receiving last season.
I understand we could have gotten a 500 yard receiver with 2.57 in the draft.
But I'm not sold on Cooks not being good anymore. Before last season he was the Rams leading receiver, going up against #1 defenders. Before that he was NE's leading receiver (maybe next to Gronk).
What injury history he has, is concussions some of them suspect. Concussions don't make you slow & has no long term effect on route running. So I'm not sold on him not being good anymore.
He still lead the Rams in YPC. & I think that may have more to do with his production than anything. I haven't watched the Rams, but it sounds like they weren't as explosive as they once were. Without Gurley, with poor pass protection did Goff become a check down machine?
A guy I really like is Hunt's Teammate Dotson. You can probably pick him in the 4th or 5th. That guy is nasty. I didn't really look at him until he was picked in the 5th rd of the TT mock draft.
I also didn't look at Hunt because I dont think the Texans will be looking at OG at 40, but that guys going to be a stud. Huge guy that moves really well.
Hopefully so. Perhaps they really just wanted out of his contract and he's still pretty good
idk even with nuke on the team I would rather have him than 2nd and david.
Frequency matters
Plus you get to move up 17 spots in the 2nd rd and possibly get a 1st rd talent that drops. Somebody like Baun or Terrell could possibly be there at 40.
zshawn10
All Pro
Why did the #texans make the move for WR Brandin Cooks with such a deep WR class? Here’s what I’ve gathered.
Also remember with this offseason playing out in a fashion we’ve never seen, there is a thought rookie WRs might take longer to get up to speed. Cooks knows the system pic.twitter.com/A1VA10Rhsv
— James Palmer (@JamesPalmerTV) April 15, 2020
Riblet
Penthouse
Yea, so pay Nuk maybe?
Riblet
Penthouse
He is one concussion from being done. So I am not sure that is any safer than Fuller.
Riblet
Penthouse
We will see what happens after that first hit he takes to the helmet across the middle.
Laugh out loud you’re beloved new wide receiver group is about to get broke up again as they’re talking about trading steals and Kiki.
Half of O'Brien's plays still look a lot like this, just with slightly better OL and Watson being able to escape.
The other half are runs up the middle.
Remember when drafting Keke, Akins, and Jordan Thomas was touted as O'Brien absolutely nailing the 2018 draft with Rick gone?
You’re exactly right!
I remember someone joking many years ago after it became apparent how bad O’Brien’s offense was that he needed pro bowlers at every position to make the offense work.
We will see about that, I didn't know you can see the future. How about sharing those winning lottery numbers with me.
BTW, I hope they don't trade Stills. Would you have a problem with them trading Coutee for a Hyde type RB?
They really miss Welker.
Have you read CnD's thoughts on this. Sorry but I value his opinion on this subject much more than yours.
Depends on if he could read the blitz
I didn't know they played the Cards last year.
Last year the ol was totally different than that garbage ol.
The line was still pretty meh last year. We've forgotten because it's been a long time since we've seen a top 10 OL.
If they get a full TC I expect atleast a top 15 ol.
It needs to be top 10 easily with all they've spent on it
I’m gonna cry if Wilson is there and we pass on him at 40 unless we take hunt later.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
but, but ... speed? And Kenny was part of the 2 firsts from MIA (never gave up the 2 just for a Tunsil lol) and Keke was setting records? Hopkins was the problem with the passing game!? Oh my!
Not predicting anything. Like I said there is talk about it now according to a source. Now how reliable the source is o don’t know.
With all that maneuvering, there are two incumbent wideouts who look like the odd men out, according to Aaron Wilson, the Texans beat writer for The Athletic. Kenny Stills and Keke Coutee are candidates to be traded (Stills) or released (Coutee) between now and the beginning of next season, Wilson reports.
Riblet
Penthouse
You can take my opinion with a grain of salt that is fine. The dude contemplated retirement over the concussion thing already. You know they get easier and easier to get and usually more and more difficult to recover from. I wouldn't be surprised to see him Austin Collie the heck out of the league if he gets another one.
This is a possibility.
But Doc posted he's recovered from all of his concussions by the next day. Grade 1 concussions aren't serious. I haven't read anywhere that Cooks has contemplated retirement.
badboy
Hall of Fame
No because it was just not the increase that Hopkins wanted but the precedent established for other players who could also then demand an increase in the middle of their contract. Not attacking you riblets but we have to look at the overall picture not just part of the picture. Issue with McNair shutting this down was not a just about paying more money to Hopkins.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Mussop can you offer any link to possible trades of Couttee and Stills? I am very interested in that! Thanks.
If they stay healthy I think they will be. Has Devlin ever coached a top10 ol?
Both Kenny Stills and Keke Coutee could be on the move from the Texans, per report
The Texans have remade their wide receiver room this offseasonwww.cbssports.com
More Stills speculation.
Wow, for a 6th or 7th round pick!
Potential Packers trade target: Texans WR Kenny Stills
Could the Packers send a late-round pick to the Texans and acquire deep-threat WR Kenny Stills? We explore the idea.packerswire.usatoday.com
Wow, for a 6th or 7th round pick!