CloakNNNdagger
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2020 Free Agency
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Small pet peeve of mine... we don't know that Byron Jones will be a free agent. Most of the time, guys like him are signed up before FA, or tendered under the tag.
We can just as easily say, "We can have Byron Jones for two 1st round picks & $15M/yr" which doesn't sound as good. Partly because we don't have two first round picks, but that's another story.
He's going to be a FA because Jerrah doesn't have the cap space to sign Dak/Cooper and Jones.
Jones was good last yr but not great. 2 yrs ago he was one of the best young CB's in the game. I wonder what happened?
Yeah, it's a bit early for f/a tak imo. SB hasn't been played yet. Things will change soon
CloakNNNdagger
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Jones suffered a hip injury late in the 2018. The Cowboys had hoped rest in the offseason would help the recovery process, but as the soreness lingered, the decision was made to undergo hip repair surgery in March 2019 before it potentially affected the 2019 regular season. His injury/surgery evidently still had a negative effect on his last season's performance. Upon his return, his reps were limited in Sept. After being let loose in Oct, he dealt with compensatory hamstring and ankle injuries throughout the remainder of the season.
CloakNNNdagger
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Their pick for the Texans is interesting.
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One free agent each NFL team needs to pursue in the 2020 offseason
BY ANTHONY TREASH
JAN 22, 2020
HOUSTON TEXANS: CB TROY HILL
Houston’s secondary has hindered the team's success. The unit ranked 28th in coverage grade and will see its top two cornerbacks, Johnathan Joseph and Bradley Roby — who were average at best — enter free agency. They’ll need to bring in multiple cornerbacks, and one they need to be targeting is Troy Hill. While with the Rams these past four years, Hill has never seen a full season as a starter — but his 2019 production makes him deserving of such a role. Hill’s coverage grade was among the 25 best in football, and he allowed the second lowest catch rate (45.1%). With little draft capital, Houston will have to nail free agency, and Troy Hill for a lower cost is a good start
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One free agent each NFL team needs to pursue in the 2020 offseason
BY ANTHONY TREASH
JAN 22, 2020
HOUSTON TEXANS: CB TROY HILL
Houston’s secondary has hindered the team's success. The unit ranked 28th in coverage grade and will see its top two cornerbacks, Johnathan Joseph and Bradley Roby — who were average at best — enter free agency. They’ll need to bring in multiple cornerbacks, and one they need to be targeting is Troy Hill. While with the Rams these past four years, Hill has never seen a full season as a starter — but his 2019 production makes him deserving of such a role. Hill’s coverage grade was among the 25 best in football, and he allowed the second lowest catch rate (45.1%). With little draft capital, Houston will have to nail free agency, and Troy Hill for a lower cost is a good start
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Would you pay him 15 mill a season for 3 seasons with an option for a 4th yr? The best thing about Jones is his versatility. He can coverTE's very well. Sign Jones, draft Gladney and your secondary will look alot better.
CloakNNNdagger
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That's pretty steep (especially if you are talking about guaranteed money close to that) if you are gambling that his injury problems don't degenerate and/or keep on accumulating based on last year's experience. Unfortunately, we won't know exactly which direction Jones "progression" will take without seeing one more year of performance level............improvement vs. deterioration. Ideally you would want a performance based incentive contract, but that's not going to happen. He will probably get his money from someone without stipulations.
Interesting that none of the many Texans F/A's were recommended for any team
badboy
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Obviously you are not following the saga in Dallas concerning their roster 2020. They are in reported negotiations now with Prescott hoping to beat the Mahommes deal and the new CBA (like Houston); also hoping to save the franchise tag for another player if needed.
Of course we don't know as we didn't know if Miami would trade Tunsil..but we discussed it.
badboy
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Cowboys' Byron Jones: Battles through injuries in 2019
Cowboys' Byron Jones: Battles through injuries in 2019
www.cbssports.com
Powda worded it much better than I did
I have no problem discussing it. I just think it's premature to say he will be an URFA... at least until the deadline to place the tag.
Dallas is one of those teams where the laws of finance & economics don't seem to apply.
Would you take the gamble knowing his injury history?
If he's healthy and they were able to draft a guy like Gladney or or Dugger even if they had to trade up, this would solve the secondary issues for the next 4 yrs. Kinda like what Bob McNair did with getting JoJo/Manning back in the day.
I would call this a good offseason depending on Jones injury history.
Make this move and sign Suh and then I can guarantee you 51-7 doesn't happen. Jones (If healthy) and Gladney are world class athletes.
31-7 instead?
LMAO
You're going to need world class athletes to compete with Mahomes and the track team Reid has built around him.
My point is adding players to the defense only helps one side of that situation.
Adding defensive players isn't going to help us score more than one TD in 3 qtrs.
CloakNNNdagger
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You keep on asking me the same question. I can't see into the future any more than I've stated. It all depends on how extensive his labrum and/or articular cartilage damage was. The direction he takes is unlikely to be known before seeing what he does through the next season. Hip issues are not benign and have tended to negatively affect many careers, especially to skill players.......Pita, Pouncey, Rod Smith, Percy Harvin, etc.
Bottom line............potential high risk (especially long term)........potential high return.
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The Texans have the talent on the offensive side of the ball. Until OB is replaced, it will continue to be a dumpster fire.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
It would be very interesting if someone other than OB were calling the offensive plays.
But they're not for the foreseeable future, so what are we left with?
Let's go Texans
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I'm definitely resigning Roby, Reader, Fairbairn, and Weeks. Probably Johnson also.
Then the first call I make is to Justin Simmons. I do whatever I can to team him with Justin Reid.
I would also take a look at Brian Poole to play slot corner. He's decent enough and you wont have to break the bank for him.That would be a good set of dbs with Roby, Johnson, and Poole at CB and Reid and Simmons at Safety.
I then move on to LB, assuming we're still running a 3-4. I'd check in on Corey Littleton. He can cover RBs and TEs out of the backfield. Littleton is one I'd probably be ok with overspending some on.
I thought about resigning Hyde, but I think this is a deep enough RB draft class. I think either Swift or Dobbins will be there in the 2nd.
But we still have a HC/OC/GM problem.
Then the first call I make is to Justin Simmons. I do whatever I can to team him with Justin Reid.
I would also take a look at Brian Poole to play slot corner. He's decent enough and you wont have to break the bank for him.That would be a good set of dbs with Roby, Johnson, and Poole at CB and Reid and Simmons at Safety.
I then move on to LB, assuming we're still running a 3-4. I'd check in on Corey Littleton. He can cover RBs and TEs out of the backfield. Littleton is one I'd probably be ok with overspending some on.
I thought about resigning Hyde, but I think this is a deep enough RB draft class. I think either Swift or Dobbins will be there in the 2nd.
But we still have a HC/OC/GM problem.
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Highly doubt we target a starting caliber safety with so many holes on the roster considering we have Gipson, and we could likely bring back addae on a team friendly deal, or find our 3rd safety in the draft.
With OB running the show and talks of us shopping McKinney for draft capital and potentially opening up a whole new world of opportunities I expect this to be a very aggressive free agency.
Highly irrelevant but had a dream we traded JJ to the bucs. I give that a 1% chance of happening, but I would not be surprised to see at least 1 crazy trade/cut to help clear up cap space. As good as JJ has been we as fans are kidding ourselves if we think he’s still in his prime. I’d be impressed if he can hit 10 sacks next season. Then again, he’s a freak of nature
Let's go Texans
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I'd be impressed if he played 10 games at this point
badboy
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Jones can and did play some slot although the emergence of Anthony Brown as a slot allowed Jones to remain at outside where he belongs. Jones' productivity dropped in 2017 when he was moved from free to strong safety. I don't want 'most' sub 200 pounders to take on RBs and TEs. Tashaun Gipson at 205+ was supposed to be that guy preinjury. Drop Jones outside across from Conley & moved Lonnie Johnson to slot if needed. Just my two cents but if you bring Roby back you don't go after Jones. Due to his running style I think he will have some injury concerns in NFL & I prefer Dobbins & hope both are available although most sources I use have Swift ahead of Dobbins. Enjoyed reading your post.
Let's go Texans
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Thanks badboy.
I agree about the 205+ covering TEs and RBs. That's why I'm all for going after Littleton. I completely forgot about Gareon Conley. I'm not sure if he or Johnson can cover quicker guys in the slot, they both are probably better suited on the outside.
Poole I think is just a pipedream. He's gonna get offered big money.
On top of all that we still have to resign both Watson and Tunsil and that's gonna eat a lot of the cap. Not having a first round pick the next 2 years will actually help us in free agency since we dont have to allocate the big money that comes with first rounders. Just have to make the right offers to the right players.
What talks about shopping McKinney? Hope it’s true. It’s one of my offseason wishes.
Maybe OB will improve and use DW4 as he should be used.
I hope he does.
Just like Harbaugh did with LJ, so posters here will get there wish. They probably aren't going to like the end results.
Mr teX
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So how should DW4 be used?..Seriously. I've heard so many in here say this & i'm just trying to get a sense of what folks in here really think is missing from the playbook that we don't already do in using him. He's not LJ8 where we can run him 10-20 times a game & expect him to not get hurt at some point. That would be detrimental to him in any 1 season, ultimately the team & him in the long run depending on the type of injury he would sustain...Unless ya'll want him to end up like RG3.
badboy
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Unsure if Watson or Tunsil will sign before they know what the new CBA will offer them. Kelemete 3.25; Scarlett 1.875; Fulton 7; Hargreaves 9.6 and Fuller 10.162 = $31.887 million gets you Byron Jones and Brandon Sherff with Maybe some leftover? That doesn't touch the 55 million we have in cap space for 2020. . We need to remember that contracts can be for significantly higher hits in 2021 as projected cap $210 million.
banned1976
sleeper mode
Hargreaves allowed a 125.6 passer. https://texanswire.usatoday.com/2020/02/04/texans-biggest-offseason-need/amp/
OB and his crack team of pro personnel scouts (are there any or is O’Brien going to assume those roles too?) better be really good at identifying secondary talent. And whoever is negotiating contracts better be good at their job too.
badboy
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Yeah, Hargreaves has to be gone and I'm hoping they only bring Fuller back if he agreesto a reduce cap hit.
Patrick Storm reported it on Facebook. He’s a pretty reliable source. Not 100%, but 85% of the time he’s right on things
Texansballer74
The Marine
That dude is a B. He’s getting his info off of Twitter.
I want to find out just to shut some posters up around these parts.
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
Hes not reliable at all. He swore this past offseason Clowney was being sent to Miami specifically as well as John Granato. Nobody else is whiffing this McKinney news, just him. Me thinks shenanigans. Hoping something sticks
Didn't they pick up the 5th year on Fuller?
That would be over 10M, wouldn't it?
Yes. Over 10 million. If we were to cut him you could add that to our cap.
Texansballer74
The Marine
My boy was calling him out when he reported the wrong stuff on Roby. So he kicked him out of the group on FB. I posted a GIF saying,” Don’t do it”. So he kicked me out the group. Dude wants to report the news first so bad.
badboy
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Yes, my post 135 above gives Numbers that total up approximately 32 million with 55 we already have. Lots of cash to do some good things with. Of course, we have to be wise who we get but We can still have a great offseason and I do expect O'Brien to be very aggressive. He does not mind spending money as we have seen with Martin and merciless. I would not be shocked if any day we hear of a higher than I want to pay. contract for DJ Reader.
badboy
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That doesn't make much sense to me as the dead money is 16.2 million dollars. There is no upside to cutting him. . He averaged only 3.7 in 9 starts Rushing, but his receiving Was much better. I would not pay him anywhere near what he was getting with Arizona. But I wouldn't mind bringing him in for a Reasonable offer. I just don't see the Texans making a free agent move at that dollar level For a running back.
badboy
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I guess we're fortunate that that has never happened before.
He's probably going to Tampa.