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Speedy said:
No he doesn’t. He talks out of his ass with zero facts to back anything he says up, and will not relent in his argument even when presented with facts. Talking to a wall fits best here. That’s not discussion, that’s idiotic.

My time here has been 1000 times better since he went on ignore and I don’t have to wade through all of that ignorance.

Problem with that tough, is 75% of the posts I see around here are people arguing against the crap he throws against the wall. Thinking Brissett is better than Watson, for example. I’ve never seen him say it since he is on ignore, but I know he has by people’s responses.

And if that’s one’s opinion, so be it, but to argue something like that on and on and on and on and on, is just dude being a troll. And he’s a good one, because like I said, 75% of the posts here are quoting him.

He doesn’t get you thinking, other than thinking how could someone be so off on damn near everything he writes. Oh, and how someone finds the time in their life to post 130 times a day, every day, on a damn message board. Other than that, he doesn’t get you thinking about a damn thing. In the box, outside the box, or in the same zip code as the box.

But again, if that’s your choice, so be it. Just glad we have the option to eliminate it. If there were just a way to eliminate people’s response to him, that’d be even better.

Yes, I realize this post will probably get whacked, but what the hell? Said my piece. Carry on.
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I wish there was a double like or awesome emoji
 
steelbtexan said:
Scottenheimer had the more talented team in the playoffs several times and lost.

Tell me when have the BOB lead Texans had the more talented team and lost in the playoffs?

That's changing this yr because the team is as talented as any team in the AFC. However they dont have the experience to get to a SB this yr. IMHO
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lol Marty had Bernie Kosar at QB.

I'm not saying either of them is a bad coach. Rather, they are similar in that they can build teams that can make it to the playoffs but are simply unable to get their teams to compete at a championship winning level.
 
Clint Stoerner and Wade Smith were discussing the Colts game. The conclusion was that it was a well-called game by O'Brien, but the execution was poor. They pointed out that the Colts played most of the game with their DBs in deep cover........not in the box..........and that heavy run attempts called were what offenses should do in those circumstances. But the Oline stunted with the tackles ending up with no one to block, leaving unblocked D players. That along with Watson not showing the ability to recognize and/or hit mid field receivers.
 
TexansBull said:
And John McLain was the first one to bring the Warren Moon and Watson comparisons.

It’s only natural that Watson would be compared to the only HOF QB we have ever had. Styles are similar.
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What?

I can see comparing Watson to Moon in that Moon played on winning teams in Houston. But there's nothing similar in their style of play.

Moon's wasn't very athletic was he? I don't think I ever saw him outside the pocket (hyperbole intended).

Watson is more like Steve Young or Aaron Rodgers.
 
thunderkyss said:
What?

I can see comparing Watson to Moon in that Moon played on winning teams in Houston. But there's nothing similar in their style of play.

Moon's wasn't very athletic was he? I don't think I ever saw him outside the pocket (hyperbole intended).

Watson is more like Steve Young or Aaron Rodgers.
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Moon threw a VERY pretty deep ball (Tightest spiral I've ever seen). Watson is similar in that respect. Both loved down the field passing. Moon could move around the pocket but he was nowhere near as mobile as Watson.

Similar in stature: Moon is about 1/2-3/4 inch taller, Watson is a 3-5 lbs heavier.
 
Mr.Scarface said:
Moon threw a VERY pretty deep ball (Tightest spiral I've ever seen). Watson is similar in that respect. Both loved down the field passing. Moon could move around the pocket but he was nowhere near as mobile as Watson.

Similar in stature: Moon is about 1/2-3/4 inch taller, Watson is a 3-5 lbs heavier.
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Moon mentioned in the video with Watson that he didn’t want to run as much. He even ran slow on his pro day so that they wouldn’t ask him to switch positions. I think he said he could run around 4.3 but ran a 4.6 instead.
 
steelbtexan said:
Agreed, but that shouldn't be his 1st instinct.
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it would be interesting to look at the tendencies of every starting QB in the game to see what their instinct is when under pressure. I suspect the vast majority of right handed QBs will escape to their right.
I know you want him to step up into the pocket, but that’s assuming there is a well developed pocket to step into. Our OL is much better this year, and I believe we have the pieces in place to become top 1/3 in the league. HOWEVER, they aren’t there yet. The two rookies have played well but still make mistakes, and I’ve grown to dislike Fulton as a starting G. I’m hopeful he’ll be replaced next season as a starter and he’ll be our back up IOL.
I think as the OL improves you’ll see Watson stepping up into the pocket more
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Clint Stoerner and Wade Smith were discussing the Colts game. The conclusion was that it was a well-called game by O'Brien, but the execution was poor. They pointed out that the Colts played most of the game with their DBs in deep cover........not in the box..........and that heavy run attempts called were what offenses should do in those circumstances. But the Oline stunted with the tackles ending up with no one to block, leaving unblocked D players. That along with Watson not showing the ability to recognize and/or hit mid field receivers.
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I‘d like to see the all 22. If what they’re saying is true, the DL was stunting leaving the Ts with no one to block, the DL would have to bringing pressure up the middle. Seeing the middle of the field with DLmen in your face is really tough. I would think moving the pocket or rolling Watson out would be an effective answer to the DL bringing pressure up the middle
 
otisbean said:
I‘d like to see the all 22. If what they’re saying is true, the DL was stunting leaving the Ts with no one to block, the DL would have to bringing pressure up the middle. Seeing the middle of the field with DLmen in your face is really tough. I would think moving the pocket or rolling Watson out would be an effective answer to the DL bringing pressure up the middle.
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I see what you're saying. But I believe they meant that the Texans OTs were missing the outside rushers, not the up the middle rushers.
 
otisbean said:
it would be interesting to look at the tendencies of every starting QB in the game to see what their instinct is when under pressure. I suspect the vast majority of right handed QBs will escape to their right.
I know you want him to step up into the pocket, but that’s assuming there is a well developed pocket to step into. Our OL is much better this year, and I believe we have the pieces in place to become top 1/3 in the league. HOWEVER, they aren’t there yet. The two rookies have played well but still make mistakes, and I’ve grown to dislike Fulton as a starting G. I’m hopeful he’ll be replaced next season as a starter and he’ll be our back up IOL.
I think as the OL improves you’ll see Watson stepping up into the pocket more
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Hope you're right.

I hope they let Devlin go after the season. The OL, while better hasn't progressed as much as they should have. IMHO

With what BOB has invested in the OL I expect them to be more like the Colts OL than the avg OL that they currently are.
 
Interesting how harbaugh can build an amazing offense with Lamar Jackson and not mortgaging the future.

Meanwhile obrien can't build an average one with Watson and trading away a million picks.


Obrien scheme has never adjusted to the blitz or used the middle of the field. That is zero on Watson
 
TheKDog said:
Interesting how harbaugh can build an amazing offense with Lamar Jackson and not mortgaging the future.

Meanwhile obrien can't build an average one with Watson and trading away a million picks.


Obrien scheme has never adjusted to the blitz or used the middle of the field. That is zero on Watson
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You do realize that the Ravens OL has been together for yrs and the Texans OL has been together for 12 weeks?

With that said Devlin needs to be let go.

Like 2 yrs ago.
 
TheKDog said:
Interesting how harbaugh can build an amazing offense with Lamar Jackson and not mortgaging the future.

Meanwhile obrien can't build an average one with Watson and trading away a million picks.


Obrien scheme has never adjusted to the blitz or used the middle of the field. That is zero on Watson
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On blitzes, it's Watson's responsibility (not O'Brien's), to read the defense formation and call protections. Watson routinely misses opportunities to see/hit his receivers in the middle of the field.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
On blitzes, it's Watson's responsibility (not O'Brien's), to read the defense formation and call protections. Watson routinely misses opportunities to see/hit his receivers in the middle of the field.
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What we don't know, though, is whether that's on the student or the teacher. Are the coaches teaching him how to correctly recognize blitzes and what to do? Or is Watson failing to execute what he's being taught?
 
dream_team said:
What we don't know, though, is whether that's on the student or the teacher. Are the coaches teaching him how to correctly recognize blitzes and what to do? Or is Watson failing to execute what he's being taught?
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If they aren't teaching him they would be the only coaching staff in the league that doesn't and should be fired.

Or maybe, just maybe Jesusincleats just isn't getting it.
 
steelbtexan said:
If they aren't teaching him they would be the only coaching staff in the league that doesn't and should be fired.

Or maybe, just maybe Jesusincleats just isn't getting it.
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You keep mentioning Jesusincleats. Besides 1 or 2 posters, does anyone call Watson Jesusincleats? It seems your over the top criticism of Watson is simply your way of going after the perceived JesusInCleats poster(s) or Watson only fans?
 
steelbtexan said:
If they aren't teaching him they would be the only coaching staff in the league that doesn't and should be fired.

Or maybe, just maybe Jesusincleats just isn't getting it.
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I'm sure they are teaching him something... the question is, "Is he being taught effectively and properly?" And not just on Watson, picking up blitzes is on the whole offense. OL, RBs, WRs, TEs.

For example, screens are a great play to diffuse a blitz. We have to be the worst screen team in the league. Is Watson executing the screen horribly? Or maybe it's the OL? Or could it be the coaches not teaching it properly?

I'm not claiming I know the answer to this, just trying to specify it's difficult to pin-point the issue on one person.
 
Earl34 said:
You keep mentioning Jesusincleats. Besides 1 or 2 posters, does anyone call Watson Jesusincleats? It seems your over the top criticism of Watson is simply your way of going after the perceived JesusInCleats poster(s) or Watson only fans?
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I'm not the one who came up with the moniker but I'm going to refer to him as that from now on to satisfy the Watson only fans. Which I dont consider you to be one of them, but I could be mistaken.
 
dream_team said:
I'm sure they are teaching him something... the question is, "Is he being taught effectively and properly?" And not just on Watson, picking up blitzes is on the whole offense. OL, RBs, WRs, TEs.

For example, screens are a great play to diffuse a blitz. We have to be the worst screen team in the league. Is Watson executing the screen horribly? Or maybe it's the OL? Or could it be the coaches not teaching it properly?

I'm not claiming I know the answer to this, just trying to specify it's difficult to pin-point the issue on one person.
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It makes since from a playcalling standpoint to not call plays if you aren't good at executing them.
 
dream_team said:
I'm sure they are teaching him something... the question is, "Is he being taught effectively and properly?" And not just on Watson, picking up blitzes is on the whole offense. OL, RBs, WRs, TEs.

For example, screens are a great play to diffuse a blitz. We have to be the worst screen team in the league. Is Watson executing the screen horribly? Or maybe it's the OL? Or could it be the coaches not teaching it properly?

I'm not claiming I know the answer to this, just trying to specify it's difficult to pin-point the issue on one person.
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I believe it’s a coaching issue, reason being, we haven’t been able to execute a proper screen since O’Brien’s first year here.
 
dream_team said:
I'm sure they are teaching him something... the question is, "Is he being taught effectively and properly?" And not just on Watson, picking up blitzes is on the whole offense. OL, RBs, WRs, TEs.

For example, screens are a great play to diffuse a blitz. We have to be the worst screen team in the league. Is Watson executing the screen horribly? Or maybe it's the OL? Or could it be the coaches not teaching it properly?

I'm not claiming I know the answer to this, just trying to specify it's difficult to pin-point the issue on one person.
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Exactly. How many times have we seen a blitz, but the potential hot WR/TE has his back to Watson or not even reading the blitz? I recall one Mic'd edition where Watson was telling a TE to get out of his break faster. It doesn't matter if a WR is open if they are not looking for the ball.

Speaking of handling the blitz. According to this Clint Stoerner and Wade Smith podcast, since week 4 or 5, Watson is 4th in the NFL against the blitz. It's interesting to hear Stoerner talk about no one at the NFL level telling him why he should take a check down. As a fan, we think it's a no brainer to take a checkdown. It appears it's totally different to players and coaches.

https://omny.fm/shows/clint-kamla/deshaun-watson-one-of-the-best-vs-the-blitz-this-y
 
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steelbtexan said:
I'm not the one who came up with the moniker but I'm going to refer to him as that from now on to satisfy the Watson only fans. Which I dont consider you to be one of them, but I could be mistaken.
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Two monikers I wish would go away forever are Jesusincleats and Buttchin. Mockingly referring to OB as a QB guru just to get under the skin of others is also tired.
 
TheKDog said:
Interesting how harbaugh can build an amazing offense with Lamar Jackson and not mortgaging the future.

Meanwhile obrien can't build an average one with Watson and trading away a million picks.


Obrien scheme has never adjusted to the blitz or used the middle of the field. That is zero on Watson
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O'Brien is clearly the type of coach with his own scheme and demands that any given QB adapt to it.

I have yet to see a consistent scheme from him that he created in order to cater to his talent.

What Harbaugh has done with Lamar Jackson is just brilliant. He created a scheme that plays to all of Jackson's strengths, and they are now reaching a point where the entire team has bought into it and they are damn near unstoppable.

Meanwhile, on Kirby they keep trying to jam that square peg into the round hole.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
On blitzes, it's Watson's responsibility (not O'Brien's), to read the defense formation and call protections. Watson routinely misses opportunities to see/hit his receivers in the middle of the field.
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It's O'Briens job to call plays that counteract the blitz. But he doesn't do that. He just asks the line to buy enough time for the receivers to get open on deep routes, which they usually don't
 
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Double Barrel said:
O'Brien is clearly the type of coach with his own scheme and demands that any given QB adapt to it.

I have yet to see a consistent scheme from him that he created in order to cater to his talent.

What Harbaugh has done with Lamar Jackson is just brilliant. He created a scheme that plays to all of Jackson's strengths, and they are now reaching a point where the entire team has bought into it and they are damn near unstoppable.

Meanwhile, on Kirby they keep trying to jam that square peg into the round hole.
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This right here is the uncut truth. Some people just can’t handle it.
 
Texansballer74 said:
This right here is the uncut truth. Some people just can’t handle it.
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Thanks, man.

Some people call me a hater. idonno:

But, I want O'Brien to have success. He's our head coach!

I just don't believe that he has what it takes to get this team to win an NFL championship based upon historical trends, logic, reason, and analysis of his career.
 
Double Barrel said:
Thanks, man.

Some people call me a hater. idonno:

But, I want O'Brien to have success. He's our head coach!

I just don't believe that he has what it takes to get this team to win an NFL championship based upon historical trends, logic, reason, and analysis of his career.
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Man I've given Coach the benefit of the doubt several times during his tenure here. But dang as soon as I start thinking he's got it somewhat figured out. He reverts right back to that nonsense. DB this offense with all the weapons we have should be very difficult to stop. Dude just refuses to play to the strength of his talent.

And bro you're not hating one bit. Keeping it 100 is always best.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Man I've given Coach the benefit of the doubt several times during his tenure here. But dang as soon as I start thinking he's got it somewhat figured out. He reverts right back to that nonsense. DB this offense with all the weapons we have should be very difficult to stop. Dude just refuses to play to the strength of his talent.

And bro you're not hating one bit. Keeping it 100 is always best.
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Speaking of playing to the strength of his talent. At what point do they figure out Duke can be an asset when the offense is struggling?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1199354873696997376
 
Earl34 said:
Speaking of playing to the strength of his talent. At what point do they figure out Duke can be an asset when the offense is struggling?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1199354873696997376
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Not to toot my own horn, and others have said it as well, but this was seen coming 10 miles away.

My takes on Aug. 8, Aug.11, and Sep. 16. All about how this coaching staff would misuse Duke's talents.

To be fair though, it's pretty easy to have that kind of predictive insight when you've seen it for 5 years.

You can talk about all the game management, play calling, timeouts, etc. all you want. The nuts and bolts of why this coach will never win big is because he doesn't take advantage of his talent's strengths. He doesn't use his player's strengths to create the mismatches needed in this game.

The talent he has is good enough to win games and keep him mediocre, but that's as far as it's going to go until he starts putting his talent in better positions to thrive. And here in year 6, with Duke Johnson as the latest example, he still doesn't appear to be doing that.
 
TheKDog said:
It's O'Briens job to call plays that counteract the blitz. But he doesn't do that. He just asks the line to buy enough time for the receivers to get open on deep routes, which they usually don't
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I dont feel like discussing this with you since this is going nowhere.
 
dream_team said:
What we don't know, though, is whether that's on the student or the teacher. Are the coaches teaching him how to correctly recognize blitzes and what to do? Or is Watson failing to execute what he's being taught?
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After coaching under Dabo Sweeney at Clemson and three years with Houston he should be able to recognize most blitz by now.
 
disaacks3 said:
So, you're using the moniker to A) Satisfy the Watson-only fans.....or B) To be petty.
Hmm, which one feels more likely. :thinking:


I really need to insert a poll.
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Whatever dude,

I'm just calling him what his fans here are calling him. If you have a problem with this, then it's your problem.
 
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