FIRE O'BRIEN NOW!!!

[Mr.Scarface]

Keep telling yourself this.

A HOF doesn't lose a 35-3 lead in the 3rd qtr in the playoffs regardless of what the defense does. For this reason he shouldn't be in the HOF. Glanville said it best, great QB that cant win when it counts he most. He also blew playoff games with big leads (Denver) before 35-3 and after 35-3 (Chiefs.)

He's in, so obviously Pancakes influence helped him get in.

If you watch that game.....the Defense **** the bed. That QB (and 1 pick 6 by Bubba McDowell) gave them that 35-3 lead. ANY NFL DEFENSE ON THIS planet holds a 35-3 lead in the 3rd quarter, except the Oilers of January 1993.

Um...Moon didn't play defense, he didn't blow squat. He doesn't play defense. He gave the teams leads, the defense couldn't hold them.

That Denver game (on the road in old Mile High), 325 yards passing...3TD/1INT. Elway leads Broncos to a game winning FG after starting inside his 20 with 2 mins left (Oilers had the lead). The lead was 21-13 at halftime (not a big lead). KC game: 306 yards, 1TD-1 INT (Defense again, couldn't stop Montana). Moon throw a TD pass to get with in 1, but the defense gives up another TD. 10-0 lead into the 3rd quarter, 10-7 going into the 4th. The defense gave up 21 points in the 4th.

And that is Moon's fault how?

With your logic, it is Watson's fault for the defense giving up leads against Saints this year, Eagles last year, the Pats and Seahawks in 2017.

 

[Mr.Scarface]

If the offense had put a drive together even without scoring there wouldn't have been enough time for a comeback. I guess you've never heard of the term complimentary football. This was the Oilers biggest issue back then. I mean you had Ryan/Gilbride fighting on the sideline because Gilbride's stupid resume building throwing the ball instead of running the clock out cost Buddy his starting S Marcus Robertson due to an ACL. his happened the next yr after Buffalo against the NYJ's late in the season.

35 to ******* 3 in the 3rd quarter. GIVE ME A ******* BREAK.

LOL....Hi Buddy, I guess you are typing from the grave. You are basically blaming Moon for Marcus' ACL. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

[steelbtexan]

If you watch that game.....the Defense **** the bed. That QB (and 1 pick 6 by Bubba McDowell) gave them that 35-3 lead. ANY NFL DEFENSE ON THIS planet holds a 35-3 lead in the 3rd quarter, except the Oilers of January 1993.

Um...Moon didn't play defense, he didn't blow squat. He doesn't play defense. He gave the teams leads, the defense couldn't hold them.

That Denver game (on the road in old Mile High), 325 yards passing...3TD/1INT. Elway leads Broncos to a game winning FG after starting inside his 20 with 2 mins left (Oilers had the lead). The lead was 21-13 at halftime (not a big lead). KC game: 306 yards, 1TD-1 INT (Defense again, couldn't stop Montana). Moon throw a TD pass to get with in 1, but the defense gives up another TD. 10-0 lead into the 3rd quarter, 10-7 going into the 4th. The defense gave up 21 points in the 4th.

And that is Moon's fault how?

With your logic, it is Watson's fault for the defense giving up leads against Saints this year, Eagles last year, the Pats and Seahawks in 2017.

You dont understand complimentary football

Particularly in the Buffalo game.

How many pts did the offense score in the 4th qtrs of those games? I expect a HOF QB to come thru in the 4th qtr and lead his team to victory.

 

[Mr.Scarface]

You dont understand complimentary football

Particularly in the Buffalo game.

How many pts did the offense score in the 4th qtrs of those games? I expect a HOF QB to come thru in the 4th qtr and lead his team to victory.

You have a 35-3 lead in the 3rd quarter. You offense shouldn't have to score another point in the damn game.

NO OTHER TEAM IN NFL HISTORY HAS BLOWN A LEAD THAT BIG. THAT TELLS YOU EVERYTHING.

 

[Hookem Horns]

You have a 35-3 lead in the 3rd quarter. You offense shouldn't have to score another point in the damn game.

NO OTHER TEAM IN NFL HISTORY HAS BLOWN A LEAD THAT BIG. THAT TELLS YOU EVERYTHING.

Or you have one sustained drive in the 2nd half and it doesn’t matter what the defense does because there wouldn’t be enough time for the comeback. However, Moon was a choke artist. Once the defense started imploding he followed suit. A winning QB would have gotten control back of that game. Instead Moon got erratic and couldn’t do anything to get the momentum back. Then he capped it off with that game losing INT in OT.

 

[ObsiWan]

Race Card has been played, duly noted. BTW, Mahomes/Brissett are 2 of my favorite QB's. I think Brissett is better than Watson when healthy.

Burrow is going to win the Heisman and has looked every bit of the franchise QB

I get what your saying about letting Watson go, but know this, I believe what I believe and that's that unless Watson changes his style of play there will be no SB's on Kirby. Can he do this? sure he can? Will he do it? He hasn't in 3 yrs.

And O'Brien hasn't done it in six years. Despite having learned under Belichick. So to use your own "if he hasn't done it in X years" logic O'Brien should be long gone.
As I said before, SBs have been won by multiple QBs (Brees, Favre, Wilson) who played the mobile QB style of play.

 

[ObsiWan]

Or you have one sustained drive in the 2nd half and it doesn’t matter what the defense does because there wouldn’t be enough time for the comeback. However, Moon was a choke artist. Once the defense started imploding he followed suit. A winning QB would have gotten control back of that game. Instead Moon got erratic and couldn’t do anything to get the momentum back. Then he capped it off with that game losing INT in OT.

...understand. 35-3 lead in the 3rd qtr but it's the QB's fault they lost.
got it.

 

[Mr.Scarface]

Or you have one sustained drive in the 2nd half and it doesn’t matter what the defense does because there wouldn’t be enough time for the comeback. However, Moon was a choke artist. Once the defense started imploding he followed suit. A winning QB would have gotten control back of that game. Instead Moon got erratic and couldn’t do anything to get the momentum back. Then he capped it off with that game losing INT in OT.

35-3. 32 point lead. There is a reason NO OTHER TEAM IN NFL HISTORY has lost that lead. If you are good enough to get that lead in the playoffs, you should be able to finish the game without your offense doing anything else. The wild thing about it is there were no turnovers to help lose that lead (OT INT was after). The defense just straight up sucked. They gave up 28 points in the THIRD QUARTER after they got the 35-3 lead. The offense had the ball for 37:39 of game time.

 

[Hookem Horns]

...understand. 35-3 lead in the 3rd qtr but it's the brother's fault they lost.
got it.

I didn’t even know that he had a brother.

My point is a solid leader picks a team back up and doesn’t allow that to happen. Losing is a team effort, however a team leader can step up and make a difference. If they would have had one or two sustained drives Moon would have taken that game back. Instead he let it affect him and got erratic. One of his teammates (can’t remember which one) later said that he couldn’t handle pressure and it was visibly apparent in the huddle.

 

[Hookem Horns]

35-3. 32 point lead. There is a reason NO OTHER TEAM IN NFL HISTORY has lost that lead. If you are good enough to get that lead in the playoffs, you should be able to finish the game without your offense doing anything else. The wild thing about it is there were no turnovers to help lose that lead (OT INT was after). The defense just straight up sucked. They gave up 28 points in the THIRD QUARTER after they got the 35-3 lead. The offense had the ball for 37:39 of game time.

Wrong, as the team captain you do whatever it takes to win, especially if you see things imploding. Obviously 35 points was not enough. The best defense is a good offense. Once he saw his defense falling apart he should have calmed everyone down and did what he could do to take the game back. Instead it got to him and he got erratic. Just watch every offensive series in that second half.

 

[badboy]

I would hape they'd get settled at GM for the longer term before they move on a big new contract with either Watson or Tunsil.
In other words we should have an experienced and competent person at GM (unlike O'Brian) before they embark on either mission.

I'm not sure we need a general manager for either of those players new contract. Each will be paid in the range of the highest at their position. I think Chris Olsen history with contracts for super stars Hopkins and JJ Watt are proof positive he can get the deals done. I don't think that O'Brien cares how much money a player gets.
On a side note, I saw recently that Tunsil's rating for pass blocking since game 2 is at 92.3%. I am more concerned that the entire organization shows him that he should extend with Houston.

 

[steelbtexan]

You have a 35-3 lead in the 3rd quarter. You offense shouldn't have to score another point in the damn game.

NO OTHER TEAM IN NFL HISTORY HAS BLOWN A LEAD THAT BIG. THAT TELLS YOU EVERYTHING.

They dont, they just need to posses the ball for 5 mins or so.

 

[steelbtexan]

And O'Brien hasn't done it in six years. Despite having learned under Belichick. So to use your own "if he hasn't done it in X years" logic O'Brien should be long gone.
As I said before, SBs have been won by multiple QBs (Brees, Favre, Wilson) who played the mobile QB style of play.

Like I've said many times before I dont hold RS incompetence against BOB. This is yr 2 in my mind and I like the moves that have been made so far this yr. A refreshing change of direction.

 

[ObsiWan]

I didn’t even know that he had a brother.

yeah I thought about that "brother" thing and how it would be interpreted so I changed it to "QB". I mean the D held the opposition to 3 pts the whole 1st half. What happened to the D in the 2nd half?

Like I've said many times before I dont hold RS incompetence against BOB. This is yr 2 in my mind and I like the moves that have been made so far this yr. A refreshing change of direction.

I do. The HC's first job is communication. When the HC can't explain to his GM and scouting staff exactly what he needs to make his offense run (or defense if that's his strength) then he has failed in his primary task and needs to go.
And I've never seen you make excuses for a guy not doing his job like you have O'Brien. You didn't let Capers or Kubiak off the hook like this.

 

[dream_team]

When somebody says Brissett is better than Watson, that's when you bail on the football discussion... as all logic has went out the window.

 

[DocBar]

Watching these Rodgers highlights, look how similar Watson's play is to Rodgers. SteelB would tell Packers' fans that their QB drifts too much out of the pocket and should be traded.

Watson hasn't developed the feel for the pocket that Rodgers has. IMO, Watson has been coached to stay in the pocket and not ad lib as much.

OB has changed his scheme t better fit Watson. Problem is good DC's know Watson's tendencies and scheme to keep him throwing from the pocket and so far Watson has looked confused and has a case of the happy feet in the pocket.

Then OB hasn't changed his scheme to properly use Watson's skill set. Where are the bootlegs, RB screens, draw plays? It's OB who is predictable. not Watson.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

Seems like if so many people on here, who don’t even know you, think you’re racist, you should re-examine your posts and tone.

Unfortunately, those members have "alluded" to racism with no actual facts to back it up. Maybe they enjoy teasing to get a rise out of him but that's just how I view it....teasing. As far as I can remember, steelbtexan was just the same in his responses regarding the other QB's OB has brought through the door.

Personally, I think OB is holding Watson and this offense back. I think the Texans organization in general has set the Texans back since inception b/c they always treated the OL like secondary concern. This stupidity has affected everyone of the QB's who has walked through those doors.

Harbaugh had Shaub 2.0 and the moment he saw what he had in Jackson, he modified his playbook to accommodate Jackson's skill set. Brisset is very similar to Luck so the coaches had a plug-n-play in Colts. If the coaches fix their plan of attack to mirror what the Jets did yesterday.....Darnold is going to have a very solid second half of the season.

I just think NFL coaches can't be so transfixed on how they want to do things that they can't or won't notice modifications that could help them and their players.

On a side note, I've always considered Moon one of top 5 QB's. Hands down, he threw on the prettiest passes in the game and featured the proper over the shoulder mechanics. If Pardee hadn't changed his attack and the defense hadn't shut down when the Oilers were up 35-3.....the Oilers and Warren Moon would've been hoisting up that Lombardi Trophy. That loss was 100% on coaching and Pardee's gentleman philosophy.

 

[maverick512000]

Seems like if so many people on here, who don’t even know you, think you’re racist, you should re-examine your posts and tone.

Or people should stop seeing everything through the lens of race. I don't agree with Steels assessment of Watson or Moon but if they were white and he was saying these things several posters would not be near as outraged. Even the "Watson is stupid" line that so many on here tout out wouldn't really be a big deal. Hell people use to say Terry Bradshaw had a million dollar arm and a 10 cent brain.

News flash, its very possible to point out the flaws and yes even not like a QB without even noticing what color they are. If this BS people are saying were true then Steel would have wanted to draft Trubisky over Mahomes or Watson but as I recall he wanted Mahomes. Here's the real kicker, as of right now he was right, Mahomes is the better QB. Now whether that is because of the QB or the coach we'll never know.

 

[steelbtexan]

yeah I thought about that "brother" thing and how it would be interpreted so I changed it to "QB". I mean the D held the opposition to 3 pts the whole 1st half. What happened to the D in the 2nd half?

I do. The HC's first job is communication. When the HC can't explain to his GM and scouting staff exactly what he needs to make his offense run (or defense if that's his strength) then he has failed in his primary task and needs to go.
And I've never seen you make excuses for a guy not doing his job like you have O'Brien. You didn't let Capers or Kubiak off the hook like this.

Communicate with RS? You can't communicate with a backstabber much less trust him.

RS stabbed Kubiak in the back and tried to do the same thing to BOB.

 

[IDEXAN]

I'm not sure we need a general manager for either of those players new contract. Each will be paid in the range of the highest at their position. I think Chris Olsen history with contracts for super stars Hopkins and JJ Watt are proof positive he can get the deals done. I don't think that O'Brien cares how much money a player gets.
On a side note, I saw recently that Tunsil's rating for pass blocking since game 2 is at 92.3%. I am more concerned that the entire organization shows him that he should extend with Houston.

I agree we all should make him feel welcome and as a fan have you done your part by voting Tunsil to the Pro Bowl ?

 

[steelbtexan]

...understand. 35-3 lead in the 3rd qtr but it's the QB's fault they lost.
got it.

The QB is the leader of the team and his team blew the biggest lead in NFL playoff history.

That says it all and to bring race into this speaks volumes.

 

[steelbtexan]

Watson hasn't developed the feel for the pocket that Rodgers has. IMO, Watson has been coached to stay in the pocket and not ad lib as much.
Then OB hasn't changed his scheme to properly use Watson's skill set. Where are the bootlegs, RB screens, draw plays? It's OB who is predictable. not Watson.

They aren't a good screen/draw team.

I think this comes back to the ol.

Hard to run boots from the shotgun, which is where Watson is most comfortable.

 

[Hookem Horns]

Or people should stop seeing everything through the lens of race. I don't agree with Steels assessment of Watson or Moon but if they were white and he was saying these things several posters would not be near as outraged. Even the "Watson is stupid" line that so many on here tout out wouldn't really be a big deal. Hell people use to say Terry Bradshaw had a million dollar arm and a 10 cent brain.

News flash, its very possible to point out the flaws and yes even not like a QB without even noticing what color they are. If this BS people are saying were true then Steel would have wanted to draft Trubisky over Mahomes or Watson but as I recall he wanted Mahomes. Here's the real kicker, as of right now he was right, Mahomes is the better QB. Now whether that is because of the QB or the coach we'll never know.

Guess I was late to the party. I haven’t been following this thread and only came here because of a reported post about the Buffalo collapse game which I jokingly say scarred me for life. Now I understand why Moon was brought into this. Why are we still discussing race?

Moon was my favorite QB during his playing time and he was great. Unfortunately as an Oilers fan he wasn’t so in crunch time and in the playoffs.

Watson is my current favorite active QB and I don’t see that in him. He has the potential to be much better than Moon. BTW, put Watson on the Chiefs and bring Mahomes to the Texans I wouldn’t doubt if the national perspective would be that Watson is better. Mahomes has a better coach and system to excel.

BTW, just be glad that you’re not stuck watching Jameis Winston every week. This guy is the most frustrating QB that I’ve ever followed. Winston looks like a HOFer when he’s not throwing interceptions. It’s either an incredible drive with incredible throws or an INT. There’s rarely much in the middle with this guy.

 

[Texansballer74]

Or people should stop seeing everything through the lens of race. I don't agree with Steels assessment of Watson or Moon but if they were white and he was saying these things several posters would not be near as outraged. Even the "Watson is stupid" line that so many on here tout out wouldn't really be a big deal. Hell people use to say Terry Bradshaw had a million dollar arm and a 10 cent brain.

News flash, its very possible to point out the flaws and yes even not like a QB without even noticing what color they are. If this BS people are saying were true then Steel would have wanted to draft Trubisky over Mahomes or Watson but as I recall he wanted Mahomes. Here's the real kicker, as of right now he was right, Mahomes is the better QB. Now whether that is because of the QB or the coach we'll never know.

Yes it's ok to point out the flaws but to do it consistently is asinine. Especially when most of it isn't true. Or when we all know every quarterback makes those same mistakes.

But like I tell a lot of bloggers you have to know who you're dealing with. Yes that blogger makes some very solid points. The thing is when he doesn't truly like a certain player or member of the staff. He will go all out to destroy their character. Dude went from calling him the S word to attempting to dress it up. Example: last night he started saying Watson doesn't step up in the pocket. He didn't put down any details to back up such egregious claim. So I took the liberty of posting Watsons 2019 highlights showing him stepping up in the pocket when he can. Another example: this notion about the youngster not progressing. Come on this young man is in the top 6 in almost every QB category.

So the question is why is he so hell bent on destroying Watson football character on here? Some members might think he's be the R. They remember him doing this exact thing with RS.

I do not think hes the r but maybe sometimes his comments might come off in that manner.

 

[banned1976]

You have to run Duke up the middle occasionally to keep the defense honest. If you threw every time Duke was in the game DC's would pick up on this trend. With that said I too wish that they wouldn't run the ball up the middle as much as they do.

How do you get better at something if you never do it? I mean BOB changed up the offense for him. What more do you want?

I'm for letting BOB go but until Watson learns to do the things I mentioned it wont matter who the HC is and you can expect more of the same old same old.

My point stands. Good coaching is putting your players (especially the young QB) in the best position to succeed. Not, as you wrote, let them “succeed or fail” by changing things up.

For the record, I don’t think OB coaches his players like that. If Savage could have treaded water Watson probably wouldn’t have seen the field his rookie season. Which I honestly would have preferred. I believe Watson would have been a better QB today had he had the chance to sit instead being thrown behind that terrible line. I factor that in when I try and analyze Watson’s growth as an NFL quarterback. Maybe why I’m not as tough on him as you are.

 

[maverick512000]

Yes it's ok to point out the flaws but to do it consistently is asinine. Especially when most of it isn't true. Or when we all know every quarterback makes those same mistakes.

But like I tell a lot of bloggers you have to know who you're dealing with. Yes that blogger makes some very solid points. The thing is when he doesn't truly like a certain player or member of the staff. He will go all out to destroy their character. Dude went from calling him the S word to attempting to dress it up. Example: last night he started saying Watson doesn't step up in the pocket. He didn't put down a details to back up such egregious claim. So I took the liberty of posting Watsons 2019 highlights showing him stepping up in the pocket when he can. Another example: this notion about the youngster not progressing. Come on this young man is in the top 6 in almost every QB category.

So the question is why is he so hell bent on destroying Watson football character on here? Some members might think he's be the R. They remember him doing this exact thing with RS.

I do not think hes the r but maybe sometimes his comments might come off in that manner.

TB you do realize the irony of this statement in this particular thread? Seriously we have some posters on here that do NOTHING but point out every possible flaw Bill O'Brien has and go out of their way to destroy him. Everything you are saying that Steel does about Watson, and I'm not saying you're wrong, I can point to at least three members that do the exact same towards OB just in regards to coaching rather than being a QB. Should we start wondering if they don't like BoB because he's to pale?

In regards to Watson not progressing if you step back there is actually an argument to be made on that. Ok he's top 6 but he's still making many of the same mistakes that he was making his rookie year. I'm sure part of that is coaching but realistically we won't know how much until Watson is playing under a different coach whether that's as a Texan or not.

 

[Texansballer74]

TB you do realize the irony of this statement in this particular thread? Seriously we have some posters on here that do NOTHING but point out every possible flaw Bill O'Brien has and go out of their way to destroy him. Everything you are saying that Steel does about Watson, and I'm not saying you're wrong, I can point to at least three members that do the exact same towards OB just in regards to coaching rather than being a QB. Should we start wondering if they don't like BoB because he's to pale?

In regards to Watson not progressing if you step back there is actually an argument to be made on that. Ok he's top 6 but he's still making many of the same mistakes that he was making his rookie year. I'm sure part of that is coaching but realistically we won't know how much until Watson is playing under a different coach whether that's as a Texan or not.

The difference is though they also give Obrien his just do too whenever the offense and team plays great. I know K just doesn't like Bill O'Brien. But man 6 years of the same old mistakes. Watson has only played a little over two years and dude already talking about trading him for some prospects out of college. As well as claiming Brissett is better. And when I posted the stat lines of both players. They quickly refuted that by saying that's only stats. Like it doesn't matter. Lol

 

[Texansballer74]

TB you do realize the irony of this statement in this particular thread? Seriously we have some posters on here that do NOTHING but point out every possible flaw Bill O'Brien has and go out of their way to destroy him. Everything you are saying that Steel does about Watson, and I'm not saying you're wrong, I can point to at least three members that do the exact same towards OB just in regards to coaching rather than being a QB. Should we start wondering if they don't like BoB because he's to pale?

In regards to Watson not progressing if you step back there is actually an argument to be made on that. Ok he's top 6 but he's still making many of the same mistakes that he was making his rookie year. I'm sure part of that is coaching but realistically we won't know how much until Watson is playing under a different coach whether that's as a Texan or not.

As far as the same mistakes part. Did you get a chance to watch A. Rodgers last night. Isn't he not making the same mistakes from his rookie year. Heck yeah he is, so why do you guys think Watson won't make the same mistakes. Bro I was with my father and law watching his Saints. The great Drew Breezy also made a lot of those same mistakes we see Watson making. My point is it's going to happen with every QB out there. Dak is scared to throw into tight windows. Their best reciever Copper only targeted once. I can go on and on.

You have to let the youngster learn. It's only been two years for crying out loud. While six years of the same mistakes from day one with Obrien. So why is he getting a long leash?

 

[santo]

As far as the same mistakes part. Did you get a chance watch A. Rodgers last night. Isn't he not making the same mistakes from his rookie year. Heck yeah he is, so why do you guys think Watson won't make the same mistakes. Bro I was with my father and law watching his Saints. The great Drew Breezy also made a lot of those same mistakes we see Watson making. My point is it's going to happen with every QB out there. Dak is scared to throw into tight windows. Their best reciever Copper only targeted once. I can go on and on.

You have to let the youngster learn. It's only been two years for crying out loud. While six years of the same mistakes from day one with Obrien. So why is he getting a long leash?

Watching the Carolina game makes me want Rivera. 6 years of the same coach and scheme I guess will do that to me.

 

[banned1976]

TB you do realize the irony of this statement in this particular thread? Seriously we have some posters on here that do NOTHING but point out every possible flaw Bill O'Brien has and go out of their way to destroy him. Everything you are saying that Steel does about Watson, and I'm not saying you're wrong, I can point to at least three members that do the exact same towards OB just in regards to coaching rather than being a QB. Should we start wondering if they don't like BoB because he's to pale?

In regards to Watson not progressing if you step back there is actually an argument to be made on that. Ok he's top 6 but he's still making many of the same mistakes that he was making his rookie year. I'm sure part of that is coaching but realistically we won't know how much until Watson is playing under a different coach whether that's as a Texan or not.

We may not know it’s time to move on from Watson until the Texans have parted ways with O’Brien. Not an unusual predicament to be in in the NFL.

 

[maverick512000]

As far as the same mistakes part. Did you get a chance to watch A. Rodgers last night. Isn't he not making the same mistakes from his rookie year. Heck yeah he is, so why do you guys think Watson won't make the same mistakes. Bro I was with my father and law watching his Saints. The great Drew Breezy also made a lot of those same mistakes we see Watson making. My point is it's going to happen with every QB out there. Dak is scared to throw into tight windows. Their best reciever Copper only targeted once. I can go on and on.

You have to let the youngster learn. It's only been two years for crying out loud. While six years of the same mistakes from day one with Obrien. So why is he getting a long leash?

The difference is though they also give Obrien is just do too whenever the offense and team plays great. I know K just doesn't like Bill O'Brien. But man 6 years of the same old mistakes. Watson has only played a little over two years and dude already talking about trading him for some prospects out of college. As well as claiming Brissett is better. And when I posted the stat lines of both players. They quickly refuted that by saying that's only stats. Like it doesn't matter. Lol

See that's the whole thing as long as its just talking football then yeah I agree with you. My whole point and the issue I'm having is when people try and make it about race. Steel gives cover for BoB more than all but like 2 people around here do, we all know this and yes I do believe he would rather lose Watson than lose BoB. That doesn't mean it has anything to do with race though.

Also no, several of them do not give BoB any credit when he does well, usually they say it was Watson or RAC or something, or if it was a game where it was clearly great play calling on BoB's part, like the Jags game, they disappear until the next bad game. As far as talking about trading Watson, whats wrong with that? I don't agree with it and think it would be a stupid idea but if someone wants to go with the grass is greener mindset then let'em. I'm sure two years is plenty of time for Chicago to have buyers remorse and even Cleveland has to be sweating a little.

Claiming Brissett is better is opinion and is no different then when people, myself included, say Watson is better than Mahomes. The argument maybe a little closer but if you said that to most "experts" they'd laugh in your face and pull up all kinds of stats to prove their point. And what do we say to that "Yes but Watson has a better mind for the game" ok, sure, stats are still what they are.

 

[steelbtexan]

Yes it's ok to point out the flaws but to do it consistently is asinine. Especially when most of it isn't true. Or when we all know every quarterback makes those same mistakes.

But like I tell a lot of bloggers you have to know who you're dealing with. Yes that blogger makes some very solid points. The thing is when he doesn't truly like a certain player or member of the staff. He will go all out to destroy their character. Dude went from calling him the S word to attempting to dress it up. Example: last night he started saying Watson doesn't step up in the pocket. He didn't put down any details to back up such egregious claim. So I took the liberty of posting Watsons 2019 highlights showing him stepping up in the pocket when he can. Another example: this notion about the youngster not progressing. Come on this young man is in the top 6 in almost every QB category.

So the question is why is he so hell bent on destroying Watson football character on here? Some members might think he's be the R. They remember him doing this exact thing with RS.

I do not think hes the r but maybe sometimes his comments might come off in that manner.

I've said nothing of Watson's character. I've said you can't win with his style of play and watch for yourself and see if he drifts to his right when he feels pressure most of the time. I would point this out on the game day thread but I will be at the game.

I'm not going to address the racism part of your post because it isn't worthy of being responded too.

Just remember that the 2 QBs I wanted drafted were Mahomes and Winston.

 

[disaacks3]

I've said nothing of Watson's character. I've said you can't win with his style of play and watch for yourself and see if he drifts to his right when he feels pressure most of the time. I would point this out on the game day thread but I will be at the game.

I suspect the majority of right-handed QBs exhibit the same trait. It's far easier to throw while rolling right for them.

 

[steelbtexan]

The difference is though they also give Obrien is just do too whenever the offense and team plays great. I know K just doesn't like Bill O'Brien. But man 6 years of the same old mistakes. Watson has only played a little over two years and dude already talking about trading him for some prospects out of college. As well as claiming Brissett is better. And when I posted the stat lines of both players. They quickly refuted that by saying that's only stats. Like it doesn't matter. Lol

Moon had stats and no championships. I suspect that the same will happen to Watson if he doesn't change and improve.

Brissett is more advanced reading defenses than Watson is. IMHO.

Blame that on BOB/Smith/Kelly if you wish

 

[disaacks3]

Moon had stats and no championships. I suspect that the same will happen to Watson if he doesn't change and improve.

The same is true for O'Brien. Here's hoping Watson can improve him or gets to change coaches.

 

[steelbtexan]

The same is true for O'Brien. Here's hoping Watson can improve him or gets to change coaches.

Fire BOB, but until the things I listed change the will be no championships regardless of the HC.

 

[steelbtexan]

I suspect the majority of right-handed QBs exhibit the same trait. It's far easier to throw while rolling right for them.

Agreed, but that shouldn't be his 1st instinct.

 

[JB]

Especially when most of it isn't true.

Everyone is entitled to their opiion. It's opinion and thus neither true or false. If you disagree that's your right, but it's your opinion. Nothing more. Don't get worked up about it

 

[ROO]

I would like to thank OptimisticTexan and Maverick 512000 for their comments in posts 7666, 7667, and 7675 above. Spot on. Also thanks to JB for post 7687.

Although I am one of the members who thinks Watson is a special player and BOB should be gone, I still enjoy reading Steelbtexans' thoughts and comments. He provides an interesting/different perspective and often enough, I can see/understand his side of the issue. I for one am glad that he is a member here and that he is willing to share his thoughts. He makes me think about my own opinions and that is a good thing.

Now, I do wonder if steelbtexan is maybe O'brien's brother-in-law or something... LOL!

 

[JB]

Now, I do wonder if steelbtexan is maybe O'brien's brother-in-law or something... LOL!

No, he was here long before OB was even a thought

 

[ROO]

No, he was here long before OB was even a thought

You're right, good catch. Okay, maybe he is Cal McNair?

 

[Texansballer74]

Everyone is entitled to their opiion. It's opinion and thus neither true or false. If you disagree that's your right, but it's your opinion. Nothing more. Don't get worked up about it

Well of course we're all entitled to our opinions. Never said they weren't and never applied that they wasn't. So please stop charging me up with stuff like that as well as getting worked up. This is just a message board that I enjoy chatting it up with everyone. I have these same type of conversations with my kin peeps. Do we agree on everything, heck no.

One last thing sometimes some members do act like their opinions is the be all. Yes Watson has a lot to learn and progress. Shoots that's goes for every player playing this game.

 

[Mr.Scarface]

Moon had stats and no championships. I suspect that the same will happen to Watson if he doesn't change and improve.

Brissett is more advanced reading defenses than Watson is. IMHO.

Blame that on BOB/Smith/Kelly if you wish

Again, 32 NFL teams. 32 of them will take Watson over Brissett. You need to just stop talking. Your lack of football knowledge is Astounding.

 

[eriadoc]

So because someone disagrees with you, you two reach for the “R” card?

Smh.

It is sad how that has become the norm.

If you're quoting me, that's your assumption.

 

[ObsiWan]

No, he was here long before OB was even a thought

Irrelevant; it could be that steelb just recently was hooked up with O'Brien's sister

 

[banned1976]

Irrelevant; it could be that steelb just recently was hooked up with O'Brien's sister

Bill doesn’t have a sister. He ate her while they were both still in the womb.

 

[badboy]

I agree we all should make him feel welcome and as a fan have you done your part by voting Tunsil to the Pro Bowl ?

Nope, I don't believe fans should have any input into the selection nor should players or coaching Imo. It should be based on some sort of a stats/value to team, snap count etc. Too many fans want to be involved in the game rather than watching it.

 

[TexansBull]

Has NOTHING to with a disagreement. His argument is IDIOTIC. He picks 2 college QBs that have done NOTHING against Watson? Watching those QBs play, there are not in the same GALAXY as Watson. He also seem to have issues with Warren Moon. He seems to have issues with QB's of color playing Quarterback for Houston teams.

You keep going down that rabbit hole with him. There is a quote by somebody who said something about not arguing with idiots because at the end people can’t tell the difference.

And John McLain was the first one to bring the Warren Moon and Watson comparisons.

It’s only natural that Watson would be compared to the only HOF QB we have ever had. Styles are similar.

And Moon has his issues here with fans and never winning the big one so there is understandable resentment there.

Why do you think Houston Football fans are the way they are?

 

[TexansBull]

That dude loves him some Steel. So he's going to agree with him no matter what.

Bwahahaha! Who am I?

Steel gets you thinking outside the box and not be a victim of group think like the lot of people who won’t dare say anything when Watson screws up.

Keep on surrounding your self with people you agree with all the time. That’s healthy.

And - I have disagreed with him on a number of occasions. On OB, Watson, etc. I just move on and don’t go down those rabbit holes.

 

[EllisUnit]

They aren't a good screen/draw team.

I think this comes back to the ol.

Hard to run boots from the shotgun, which is where Watson is most comfortable.

I dont agree with that, in his first season and whenever he is under center (rarely) this year he looks pretty damn comfortable to me.....