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...I would not have allowed the present HC to leave the future in wreckage for the fans or the next HC, in a desperate attempt to save his job for the short term. Would you? Are you mad about it?
How many in here realize that when Tunsil wants a new contract his agent will have all the leverage? The Texans are completely fucked now, because his agent knows that the Texans have to resign him or all those pics were for nothing. Not only is he getting a max deal, but he's walking away with a little extra on top because they now have the Texans organization by the balls. As it stands now Tunsil doesn't even have to resign with the Texans. The Texans just took away all ability they would have had in negotiations.
How many in here realize that when Tunsil wants a new contract his agent will have all the leverage? The Texans are completely fucked now, because his agent knows that the Texans have to resign him or all those pics were for nothing. Not only is he getting a max deal, but he's walking away with a little extra on top because they now have the Texans organization by the balls. As it stands now Tunsil doesn't even have to resign with the Texans. The Texans just took away all ability they would have had in negotiations.
How many in here realize that when Tunsil wants a new contract his agent will have all the leverage? The Texans are completely fucked now, because his agent knows that the Texans have to resign him or all those pics were for nothing.
I would've gotten rid of Obrien a long time ago.
We got Tunsil, Stills, Martin, & Hyde in the last two days. Looks like he finally understands his success is more about the Jimmys & the Joes than the Xs & Os.
Fans and media react to traded picks in a big way. Picks are overvalued. I’ve been around long enough to know that there are folks here who look forward to draft day more than the regular football season. So I certainly see why some of them have a red ass right now.
The Texans have a desperate need at LT. So they could try and get through 2019 and risk injury to Deshaun Watson. Last year they won 11 games so if they repeat that or get close, they won’t be in range to draft a top left tackle and would have to trade up. It’d probably cost their 2020 and 2021 picks anyway. And that’s to move up and get an untested rookie.
Instead they’ve cut to the chase and made a deal now for Laremy Tunsil — a young, proven left tackle — for the same draft compensation. Now they can protect Watson in 2019 and beyond and they’re not mortgaging their future on an unknown.
It’s a fair move. Doesn’t mean it’ll work out. But it’s fair.
Great post
Things are finally changing down on Kirby and I've found people like to b!tch about change.
You've done a lot of b!&chn yourself over the years. So let's not toss rocks and hide your hands Steel. And I'm pretty sure if this team goes 4-12. You will b!&ch like you are accustomed to doing around here. Therefore, let fans be fans and stop b!&chn about those that are b!$chn.
Desperate measures are not good for business.
Yep. But would never happen along with DW’s until the exorcism of Clowney happened. Incomprehensible what the whining would be had none of these trades been made and we went into NO with our old 53. If healthy this could be a very good team when the dust settles. If this is what it takes to break the mindset chains of the past and get the new regime under Cal moving to get past the lethargy of his dad, so be it. Most everybody else just whine and *****, but I’m for once in a loooooong time excited about a season and going forward.The hate for OB is starting to cloud people’s judgement here. Tunsil will get the top LT contract when he’s due because that’s how the market works. He’s already a top 10 LT and might be top 5 by the seasons end. Next off season he will be extended. They will just wait until we have a legit GM to put that deal together.
I’m not really upset at the Tunsil trade, it’s how he handled Clowney that makes me upset. We still ended up getting Tunsil but got rid of Clowney for no reason. Hopefully OB is on the hot seat because anything less than an AFCCG or SB this season is a failure in my opinion.The hate for OB is starting to cloud people’s judgement here. Tunsil will get the top LT contract when he’s due because that’s how the market works. He’s already a top 10 LT and might be top 5 by the seasons end. Next off season he will be extended. They will just wait until we have a legit GM to put that deal together.
I wont be bitchin and I'm very happy change has finally happened down on Kirby.
I still expect a 9-7/10-6 type of season. Gotta get those young OL some experience. Also the CB's need to stay healthy, there's not much depth. Gaine's biggest bust FA signing/draft pick was Colvin . By a good margin.
The hate for OB is starting to cloud people’s judgement here. Tunsil will get the top LT contract when he’s due because that’s how the market works. He’s already a top 10 LT and might be top 5 by the seasons end. Next off season he will be extended. They will just wait until we have a legit GM to put that deal together.
True that but let's see if his coaching philosophy changes. Or will he be pounding Duke and Hyde up the gut on every other play. Lol
This wasn't change at all though.
This was a desperate failed HC who went into full knee jerk panic mode over his job and mortgaged what will likely be a major problem for a new GM or new HC to deal with. And now we have a LT not even signed who likely rape the team on his new contract since he knows the Texans have to pay him whatever he wants. Hell, he can hold out when he wants and he doesn't even have to play like an elite tackle either if he doesn't want to. All they did was make aggressive moves by trading away a ton of valuable picks when they could have fixed this situation this off season. Why would you trust OB's decision making moving forward? I think if there has been change it's for the worst. Its OB being an active GM.
Three things I don't like:
1. The Texans should've made the Tunsil trade in June or July to give the OL some time to gel and Watson to get some reps with Stills.
2. The Texans should've had an extension in place with Tunsil when they made the trade.
3. How on earth was this team able to completely screw up every single facet of the Clowney situation? I've never seen or heard of a team completely blowing a situation like that.
Three things I don't like:
1. The Texans should've made the Tunsil trade in June or July to give the OL some time to gel and Watson to get some reps with Stills.
2. The Texans should've had an extension in place with Tunsil when they made the trade.
3. How on earth was this team able to completely screw up every single facet of the Clowney situation? I've never seen or heard of a team completely blowing a situation like that.
The next thing that will happen is Tunsil will be way overpaid as the #1 lt.
The next gm won't have picks or capspace to work with
Yeah except now Tunsil is in a situation where he can play average if he wants to and still become the highest paid LT. His incentive is gone. Lol!
I'm going to have to disagree with this one.
So, your thought process is this new young stud is going to purposely play in the realm of mediocre because he doesn't have to earn his next mega contract. Correct?
I'm going to have to disagree with this one.
So, your thought process is this new young stud is going to purposely play in the realm of mediocre because he doesn't have to earn his next mega contract. Correct?
The Texans aren't for throwing good money after bad and Tunsil should realize that. After all, we just shipped Clowney away and he's supposed to be well above average if not elite and we're not going to break the bank for him either. So, knowing that Tunsil should at least play out of his ass just in case we won't break the bank for him... So, perhaps somebody else will.. IF he plays to his worth.
Most of these kids play for the Love of the game and the Pride within themselves. I like to believe that anyway.
Hell, most of the reason why I would have got rid of Clowney is he didn't seem all that interested in being a pro or being elite or at least owning up to his potential. It may be why he's gone.. but Tunsil should have more pride. Let's hope so anyway.
Read my post correctly or don't quote it. Its getting really tiring having to explain incentives and leverage to some of you homers.
I never said that he won't try to play hard any where in my post. I said he doesn't have major incentive to now, because him and his agent know damn well we are going to pay them. We gave away two 1sts and a 2nd rounder without an extension. They know that the Texans would kill themselves before humiliating themselves so bad by not resigning a player they just gave two 1sts and a 2nd rounder for without an extension. If the Texans don't get a long term extension for this guy, then they'll have everyone know that they wasted those picks for a guy for two years. The Texans will never take that type of PR hit. They're going to pay that guy whatever incentives he wants, whatever salary he wants, and they'll have to do it even if he's acting like a jackass or getting himself into problems or whatever it may be. He knows that he'll have a long leash now. A super long leash. I'm not saying he's going to take advantage of it or will squander this all once he is paid. I am saying that he can take advantage of it. I am saying that he holds all the cards and can determine when he gets an extension and how much and he can hold out whenever he wants to now.
We are effectively Tunsil's ***** now.
Understood. But I'm still worked up because California might fall off in 2054
Yep. He’s certainly not very aware of the fact he won’t be playing in a vacuum. He’ll be playing alongside his teammates. It will be very very hard to disguise a lack of effort. If you have any sense of pride, that’s something that you can’t turn off like a switch. Besides, a lack of desire or effort of giving 100%, isn’t something that will go unnoticed by the media and fans. They have a keen eye in telling the difference between giving your all and f’cking the dog.
Generally, not giving 100%, or taking plays off, usually makes you more susceptible to injury. Which is something you’d try to avoid in a contract year.
$20 mil per year minimum. Highest paid currently is $16m
- Some moron convinced BO'b that either Matt Kalil will be able to play or they'll draft a player in the 1st round who can. & Tunsil wasn't on the market. Just saying this is not a legitimate gripe.
- Tunsil found out an hour before someone handed him a plane ticket that he's going to Houston. Houston has seven days to get him ready to play. It's ridiculous to expect them to have a contract in place, for a guy they have the rights to for two years.
- O'Brien hated Clowney
Every sentence in this post is stupidly conjectural or just plain stupid. The game of football would never be played since in your dumbass theory, you would have to know every event possible for every player on every team. You called me a HS idiot? I’m enjoying you showing everybody what high school philosophy looks like...please, don’t stop.IF he holds out at any point what are you going to do? If he wants $25 Mill a season, what are you going to do?
If Watson or him get hurt for a significant portion of this season, how did this trade help them?
Also why would Tunsil play next season under that salary? He isn't going to. He will hold out for sure.
IF he holds out at any point what are you going to do? If he wants $25 Mill a season, what are you going to do?
If Watson or him get hurt for a significant portion of this season, how did this trade help them?
Also why would Tunsil play next season under that salary? He isn't going to. He will hold out for sure.
Your entire post is based on what if. We'd be stupid to think guys don't want to get paid but...
What if Hopkins holds out
What if JJ holds out
What if Watson holds out
What if...
The question doesn't have much substance till we see proof of some sort.
Sure if you want to be extremely ignorant and obtuse about what just happened.
We just brought in a player under no extension who knows we gave up what is probably the biggest trade package in NFL history for an offensive Lineman. He knows that we have to sign and can't just let him go or even trade him. We're already invested to much. He has all of the leverage.
If you can't understand that, then simply bow out of this and I'll enjoy watching your misery the next few years when you're kicking and screaming over the salary cap and the lack of assets to make any good trades or adding youth to the team.
If you think "What if" scenarios regarding injury aren't things that teams have to consider when managing a salary cap or future player acquisitions then you simply don't understand the business side of things. The key is to get the best talented players on the best deals possible. Not to go out there and sign all your best players on Max contracts. Buy hey, listen to OB who you've bitched about the last few years. His history knows best.
Sure if you want to be extremely ignorant and obtuse about what just happened.
We just brought in a player under no extension who knows we gave up what is probably the biggest trade package in NFL history for an offensive Lineman. He knows that we have to sign and can't just let him go or even trade him. We're already invested to much. He has all of the leverage.
If you can't understand that, then simply bow out of this and I'll enjoy watching your misery the next few years when you're kicking and screaming over the salary cap and the lack of assets to make any good trades or adding youth to the team.
If you think "What if" scenarios regarding injury aren't things that teams have to consider when managing a salary cap or future player acquisitions then you simply don't understand the business side of things. The key is to get the best talented players on the best deals possible. Not to go out there and sign all your best players on Max contracts. Buy hey, listen to OB who you've bitched about the last few years. His history knows best.
We'll thanks for calling me stupid but everyone traded has a new contract looming. So why stop at tunsil while your down this rabbit hole?
I'm not sure any team could function if they accepted your blanket opinion. Why ever sign trade draft any player if there's a chance they hold out?
Who's obtuse here?
I bet you go to bed with a light on.
The kid has agent. You know he is advising him on all this and wants his payday too
Read my post correctly or don't quote it. Its getting really tiring having to explain incentives and leverage to some of you homers.
I never said that he won't try to play hard any where in my post. I said he doesn't have major incentive to now, because him and his agent know damn well we are going to pay them. We gave away two 1sts and a 2nd rounder without an extension. They know that the Texans would kill themselves before humiliating themselves so bad by not resigning a player they just gave two 1sts and a 2nd rounder for without an extension. If the Texans don't get a long term extension for this guy, then they'll have everyone know that they wasted those picks for a guy for two years. The Texans will never take that type of PR hit. They're going to pay that guy whatever incentives he wants, whatever salary he wants, and they'll have to do it even if he's acting like a jackass or getting himself into problems or whatever it may be. He knows that he'll have a long leash now. A super long leash. I'm not saying he's going to take advantage of it or will squander this all once he is paid. I am saying that he can take advantage of it. I am saying that he holds all the cards and can determine when he gets an extension and how much and he can hold out whenever he wants to now.
We are effectively Tunsil's ***** now.
Because no one ever over pays like that for an unsigned player. The minute you do, that player and his agent understand the PR hit that the franchise will take if they don't meet their demands. Tunsil could have gotten a huge contract in two years from a ton of teams including the Texans. Now, he can get one whenever he wants based on a holdout process that the Texans have to cooperate with. Most other teams trade for a player like that giving away way less value knowing that the player could walk and are willing to let that player walk or they'll trade him later. (See New England and what they did with Brandin Cooks) When you offer all of that, you aren't going to trade that player and take way less in compensation. The Texans gave up way to much for an unsigned player, and they'll literally have to way over pay for him even if he isn't playing at an elite level which he might not.
I would rather pay Tunsil than Clowney. We were going to have to break the bank either way.
Some of you arm chair GMs speculating the contract amounts is funny. If we are going to have to pay either Clowney or one of the top LTs in the league I would go with the LT all day.