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After all the trades, the Texans aren't realistic contenders
- Thread starter TheKDog
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Only 2 next year
It is extremely rare to trade for a first round pick.
Barnwell: Bill O'Brien wants the Patriot Way. His trades go against it.
With a rare opportunity to shape his team's personnel in his image as a first-time head coach, Bill O'Brien went all-in and rebuilt the core of the Houston Texans on Saturday afternoon. By trading away Jadeveon Clowney to the Seattle Seahawks for peanuts and using the money saved to acquire the duo of Kenny Stills and Laremy Tunsil from the Miami Dolphins, O'Brien has addressed his team's biggest weakness in dealing from his team's most obvious strength. In terms of pro personnel, the Texans probably have about as much talent now as they did yesterday, but that talent is now spread throughout the roster in a more valuable way.
If this were simply a swap of Clowney for Stills and Tunsil, this Texans trade would have been defensible. Unfortunately, there's the small consideration of the draft picks involved in this deal. When you factor that the Texans got a third-round pick from Seattle while sending two first-round picks and a second-round selection and more to Miami, though, this looks like a desperate attempt to fix a problem the team created for itself. In sending away years of valuable draft picks, O'Brien and the GM-by-committee running the Texans mortgaged the future for a quick fix.
With a rare opportunity to shape his team's personnel in his image as a first-time head coach, Bill O'Brien went all-in and rebuilt the core of the Houston Texans on Saturday afternoon. By trading away Jadeveon Clowney to the Seattle Seahawks for peanuts and using the money saved to acquire the duo of Kenny Stills and Laremy Tunsil from the Miami Dolphins, O'Brien has addressed his team's biggest weakness in dealing from his team's most obvious strength. In terms of pro personnel, the Texans probably have about as much talent now as they did yesterday, but that talent is now spread throughout the roster in a more valuable way.
If this were simply a swap of Clowney for Stills and Tunsil, this Texans trade would have been defensible. Unfortunately, there's the small consideration of the draft picks involved in this deal. When you factor that the Texans got a third-round pick from Seattle while sending two first-round picks and a second-round selection and more to Miami, though, this looks like a desperate attempt to fix a problem the team created for itself. In sending away years of valuable draft picks, O'Brien and the GM-by-committee running the Texans mortgaged the future for a quick fix.
Barnwell: Bill O'Brien wants the Patriot Way. His trades go against it.
With a rare opportunity to shape his team's personnel in his image as a first-time head coach, Bill O'Brien went all-in and rebuilt the core of the Houston Texans on Saturday afternoon. By trading away Jadeveon Clowney to the Seattle Seahawks for peanuts and using the money saved to acquire the duo of Kenny Stills and Laremy Tunsil from the Miami Dolphins, O'Brien has addressed his team's biggest weakness in dealing from his team's most obvious strength. In terms of pro personnel, the Texans probably have about as much talent now as they did yesterday, but that talent is now spread throughout the roster in a more valuable way.
If this were simply a swap of Clowney for Stills and Tunsil, this Texans trade would have been defensible. Unfortunately, there's the small consideration of the draft picks involved in this deal. When you factor that the Texans got a third-round pick from Seattle while sending two first-round picks and a second-round selection and more to Miami, though, this looks like a desperate attempt to fix a problem the team created for itself. In sending away years of valuable draft picks, O'Brien and the GM-by-committee running the Texans mortgaged the future for a quick fix.
With a rare opportunity to shape his team's personnel in his image as a first-time head coach, Bill O'Brien went all-in and rebuilt the core of the Houston Texans on Saturday afternoon. By trading away Jadeveon Clowney to the Seattle Seahawks for peanuts and using the money saved to acquire the duo of Kenny Stills and Laremy Tunsil from the Miami Dolphins, O'Brien has addressed his team's biggest weakness in dealing from his team's most obvious strength. In terms of pro personnel, the Texans probably have about as much talent now as they did yesterday, but that talent is now spread throughout the roster in a more valuable way.
If this were simply a swap of Clowney for Stills and Tunsil, this Texans trade would have been defensible. Unfortunately, there's the small consideration of the draft picks involved in this deal. When you factor that the Texans got a third-round pick from Seattle while sending two first-round picks and a second-round selection and more to Miami, though, this looks like a desperate attempt to fix a problem the team created for itself. In sending away years of valuable draft picks, O'Brien and the GM-by-committee running the Texans mortgaged the future for a quick fix.
Again, I don't expect any of that to change much until they see the product on the field. Is Watson better protected? Can our defense hold the line? & I'm hoping we score more efficiently putting the defense in a position of strength.
All this is theoretical right now & nobody is going to predict differently than what they saw in the preseason, except us fans.
Keep Watson healthy & we're contenders.
It's theoretical. But it's grounded in very solid theory
frethack
Rookie
Totally agree. Just wishful thinking.
If Tunsil is the truth and keeps developing, I'll come to terms with the trade. If not, I'll enjoy having a new coach and GM
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Yes, but the next regime faces a very high hurdle with no high draft picks.
In fact we will get worse without the infusion of cheap high level talent in the draft
You mean Caserio?
I think Coach O'Brien is going to get a 10 year extension after this season.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
I think they could be or could look like it for parts of the season but with OB running this team and front office I have more faith that things will unravel at some point. OB has to many duties to keep a handle on all the things he needs to for game plans.
I think they'll get blown out many games and next two years they'll steadily get worse.
I mean they're already seven point dogs to the saints
A decade starter at LT is a quick fix and the LT is young enough to greatly improve. Guess what, 1st rd picks dont always hit. Would you trade KJo and a 2021 1st/2nd for Tunsil?
Agreed
Hopefully BOB lets Kelly devise the gameplans and lets him call the plays with a little bit of oversight.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
If they stay relatively healthy at key positions they should be dangerous by season's end.
They should still have some cap room for additional players if needed.
Would you trade Watson and watt for tunsil?
Hear that every year and O'Brien never has a good offense
Nope
Franchise QB are like gold and the Texans are finally investing in protecting theirs as if his home is Ft Knox.
Difference is they have actual talent on the OL this season.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
That wasn’t really the point though. You don’t know who the future picks are going to be. But you used Kevin Johnson as an example, he used Watson and JJ. Those are still the type of players those picks could turn out to be.
He has two proven good players
PapaL
Loose Screw
OB told us we had talent last year too. We have just as many unknowns as ever on the OL. New players, same staff; doesn’t invoke positive vibes.
True,
The point is I believe in getting the best players possible to protect Watson. If that takes using 1st/2nd rd pcks to protect him, so be it. Because without Watson you have nothing.
We've seen what great players like Watt/AJ/Foster can do, but without great QB play their contributions aren't going to bring a championship to this city.
The rookies should improve and they are talented. Do you think the rookies aren't talented? The Colts were in this same position going into last season, 2 rookie OL starters and things worked out quite well for them after week 6. I expect Devlin to be able to get the same level of play out of the Texans new OL after week 6.
Rookies could be good, they could suck. Look at Martin, rankin, xsf.
And in their rookie years they suck.
Maybe we should just run out Watson an LT and a bunch of dudes off the street.
Not always, look at the Colts for example.
I expect the same level of play from the Texans OL or Devlin should be gone. Pressure is a good thing and something that the Texans org hasn't had put on them since 2010.
Like 2 or three of the new new rebuild, or is this last move the rebuild we’ve been anticipating and it’s year 1 again.....
Looks like that's what it took to get rid of him.
If I was paying that much $$$$ I would've demanded at least a 2nd or I would've held onto him.
They've got the talent they have to get the experience.
They will need to address things like CB/Edge in the draft/FA next yr. But even not having a 1st they have enough ammo to trade up and get a guy if they really like him. Or spend the $$$$ in FA. Man I wish they hadn't crapped out on KJO.
Gonna stay on the O’Brien express I see.
They finally did what they needed to do to be successful. Now BOB/Devlin are on the clock and I expect great improvement in the offense. I also think while improved this yr, 2020 is the yr it should really all come together. If it doesn't you move on.
BTW, I've never been on the BOB express, I just knew it would take 2-3 yrs to clean up the mess RS left behind. They're ahead of schedule. IMHO
houstonhurricane
Veteran
We certainly have the talent to win our division. However, so does every other team. I just think the Watson-Hopkins combo may be the difference-maker in our favor.
Seattle pulled it off with Frank Clark. But I agree, doesn't happen every day.
Shame we don't have something like a multiple-time pro bowl edge defender in his prime under contract that another team would covet that we could dangle to try and make that happen.
Nah, surely our GM is just as smart as John Schneider.
Talented guys that are 25 and under invoke good vibes for me.
There's no place for Devlin to hide anymore. Become like the Colts OL or be gone.
Devlin. Lol.
Sorry friend, but this is getting stupid.
We're way past that point. Justifying trading away top picks because Kevin Johnson was a bust?
