The New New JaDeveon Clowney Thread

[Porky]

Unless we get Tunsil in a trade, it's an epic fail. RB's are a dime a dozen. Drake is a decent one, but a decent RB vs. a stud OLD/DE is like comparing the woman next door with Hallie Berry. I mean sure, you're neighbor ain't bad, guys probably like her. But she simply ain't no Hallie Berry. I mean you want that as an even exchange? Have we lost our ever lovin minds?

The only logical way anyone with a pea for a brain would let a talent like Clowney walk is for a good long term starter at LT. PERIOD.

If teams aren't willing to part with said LT - then if I was OB, it's discussion over.

Of course, the problem is that OB has so badly messed this whole thing up that teams feel they can go bargain shopping. Hey Dolphin man - this ain't Kmart, and the blue light special is over.

Either pony up Tunsil, or go fish.

 

[Younq Dolphin]

Unless we get Tunsil in a trade, it's an epic fail. RB's are a dime a dozen. Drake is a decent one, but a decent RB vs. a stud OLD/DE is like comparing the woman next door with Hallie Berry. I mean sure, you're neighbor ain't bad, guys probably like her. But she simply ain't no Hallie Berry. I mean you want that as an even exchange? Have we lost our ever lovin minds?

The only logical way anyone with a pea for a brain would let a talent like Clowney walk is for a good long term starter at LT. PERIOD.

If teams aren't willing to part with said LT - then if I was OB, it's discussion over.

Of course, the problem is that OB has so badly messed this whole thing up that teams feel they can go bargain shopping. Hey Dolphin man - this ain't Kmart, and the blue light special is over.

Either pony up Tunsil, or go fish.

You’re not getting Tunsil. Who trade an elite LT on a rookie contract for someone who won’t even potentially be here in 2 years @ 16M per + draft capital?

 

[Younq Dolphin]

Kenyan drake is a bust... don't want him

You obviously have no clue what you’re talking about and if you’d prefer Miller to Drake you’re high. I’ve had both players. Give me drake everyday of the week

 

[Pharaohcious]

and clowneys not elite? Clowney has the potential to change the entire momentum in a game with ONE hit

Not to mention possible take the player he hits out the game also...

What's a Left Tackle gonna do?

 

[Pharaohcious]

You obviously have no clue what you’re talking about and if you’d prefer Miller to Drake you’re high. I’ve had both players. Give me drake everyday of the week

I'd prefer Miller to drake behind this offensive line if it means not trading clowney for Drake and AVERAGE WR

 

[Younq Dolphin]

I'd prefer Miller to drake behind this offensive line if it means not trading clowney for Drake and AVERAGE WR

Millers out for the year bud. Kenny Stills is one of the best deep threats in football with 21 TDS the last three years with **** at QB. Drake is a top half of the league back when we gave him the work load and you’d get draft compensation for someone who isn’t going to be there in Clowney

 

[Dejaview]

Drake is a better running back than Miller; he’s a threat to house it every time he touches the ball and MUCH better than Miller in the passing game. This was with our terrible OL, mediocre QB and no one who puts fear in a defense like Hopkins. Agree to disagree

FYI, this forum took a poll in June on whether Miller should be re-signed. Over 60% said no. Views on players here change depending on what angle you want to take to attack our FO, so take it as it is. I looked at both Drake and Stills and they have posted decent numbers. Both could make this roster. What is the Miami reaction for giving up a 2? Clowney is certainly worth a 2. He is a hard guy to put a finger on, IMO. Nothing bad but he seems to have an aura of mystery. Despite what you may hear here, I’ve only heard O’Brian regard him as a professional. He doesn’t have any bad habits from my point of view. It just seems to be a situation that a trade is probably be the best thing.

 

[Pharaohcious]

Sorry wrong place.

 

[Carr Bombed]

My head hurts.

 

[JB]

Drake is a better running back than Miller; he’s a threat to house it every time he touches the ball and MUCH better than Miller in the passing game. This was with our terrible OL, mediocre QB and no one who puts fear in a defense like Hopkins. Agree to disagree

So Stills doesn't put fear in a defense? Why would we want him?

 

[Younq Dolphin]

So Still doesn't put fear in a defense? Why would we want him?

Not in a sense that Hopkins does. He isn’t a legit #1 receiver. He’s a dangerous deep threat; 21 TDS the last three seasons with the corpse of Tannehill and Osweiler at QB. In your offense I’m sure he’d be even more dangerous

 

[banned1976]

I’ll be glad when Clowney is practicing with the Texans again so this saga can put to bed for awhile.

 

[santo]

Not in a sense that Hopkins does. He isn’t a legit #1 receiver. He’s a dangerous deep threat; 21 TDS the last three seasons with the corpse of Tannehill and Osweiler at QB. In your offense I’m sure he’d be even more dangerous

Just out of curiosity, y’all believe in Rosen or is the team drafting a new qb in 2020?

 

[frethack]

You’re not getting Tunsil. Who trade an elite LT on a rookie contract for someone who won’t even potentially be here in 2 years @ 16M per + draft capital?

If you can pry additional assets from the Texans (McKinney, draft picks, etc) for Tunsil, then Clowney (and any other player in the trade) can be tagged and flipped for good draft capital after the season, assuming he doesnt get injured.

Clowney is a blue chip player. Someone like McKinney is a very good MLB.

That being said, I wouldnt want to do that trade. Just saying that a team may decide to buy low and sell high on Clowney if other assets are involved.

 

[JB]

Not in a sense that Hopkins does. He isn’t a legit #1 receiver. He’s a dangerous deep threat; 21 TDS the last three seasons with the corpse of Tannehill and Osweiler at QB. In your offense I’m sure he’d be even more dangerous

So you want Clowney for a second-rate WR and a RB?

 

[Younq Dolphin]

So you want Clowney for a second-rate WR and a RB?

One of the best deep threats in football, a very good RB and a high 2nd round draft pick is more than adequate

 

[frethack]

So you want Clowney for a second-rate WR and a RB?

And a 2nd round pick...Likely to be high

 

[Younq Dolphin]

Just out of curiosity, y’all believe in Rosen or is the team drafting a new qb in 2020?

Gotta see more of him. I think he has potential but tbh; behind this OL I don’t think you can fairly assess the guy. Unless he lights it up and is a bonafide Franchise passer and it’s apparent to the world, we’ll be drafting a QB next year

 

[IDEXAN]

Prior to signing the franchise tag is there anyway that Clowney can negotitate a promise from the Texans as a condition of the contract that they won't trade him to a specific team(s) without his approval ?

 

[JB]

One of the best deep threats in football, a very good RB and a high 2nd round draft pick is more than adequate

Has either been to the pro-bowl? We have one of the best deep threats in football when he's on the field. Granted that the on the field part is questionable, but I don't see a Clowney for a 2 and depth tbh

 

[Younq Dolphin]

Has either been to the pro-bowl? We have one of the best deep threats in football when he's on the field. Granted that the on the field part is questionable, but I don't see a Clowney for a 2 and depth tbh

Depth? Kenyan Drake is starting for you guys regardless if Miller was healthy or not. As I stated, 21 TDS from Stills with **** at QB; which one of your receivers aside from Hopkins is better? And a very high 2nd. You kidding me?

 

[frethack]

Prior to signing the franchise tag is there anyway that Clowney can negotitate a promise from the Texans as a condition of the contract that they won't trade him to a specific team(s) without his approval ?

My understanding is that he can negotiate terms into his one-year contract

 

[Max]

Here is what I don't understand and maybe someone can clear this up. I'm hearing two main talking points A) Clowney is an amazing player that other teams would love to have and B) BoB hates Clowney and just wants him gone and doesn't care about what we get for him. Well if those two things are the case then why is he still here? Its not because of the "He hasn't signed the tag" because that's a fairly recent development and if BoB had as much power as people say and wants him gone as badly as people say they could have moved him long before this. So in my mind since Clowney is still here then either the Texans did want to keep him and have been trying to work a deal out or if BoB would have taken a wooden nickel for him then that means the rest of the NFL doesn't think he's worth a wooden nickel.

There are many potential scenarios of how the team dealt w/ the Clowney situation while Gaine was still here and there's enough of a mess where we may never know who's to blame for getting things to where they are today. But what we do know is that BOB is now completely in control and he is still trying to trade Clowney after July 15, when the team is in a position to get more for him next off-season because other teams can extend him rather than trading for a 1 year rental. In your defense of BOB, you've somehow looked past the fact that BOB is trying to push a trade right now that he doesn't have to.

 

[IDEXAN]

My understanding is that he can negotiate terms into his one-year contract

There are many potential scenarios of how the team dealt w/ the Clowney situation while Gaine was still here and there's enough of a mess where we may never know who's to blame for getting things to where they are today. But what we do know is that BOB is now completely in control and he is still trying to trade Clowney after July 15, when the team is in a position to get more for him next off-season because other teams can extend him rather than trading for a 1 year rental. In your defense of BOB, you've somehow looked past the fact that BOB is trying to push a trade right now that he doesn't have to.

This situation is so much like a businessman attempting to liquidate his most valuable assets to raise cash to keep his failing business afloat.

 

[JB]

Depth? Kenyan Drake is starting for you guys regardless if Miller was healthy or not. As I stated, 21 TDS from Stills with **** at QB; which one of your receivers aside from Hopkins is better? And a very high 2nd. You kidding me?

Fuller > Stills when he's on the field

 

[zshawn10]

Source: Jadeveon Clowney considering trade partners independently https://t.co/mWzJHsgvkd #Texans

— SportsRadio 610 (@SportsRadio610) August 28, 2019

The feeling inside Clowney’s camp is the Texans have no interest in him being a part of the organization.

The source also said it’s been more than a month since Clowney had initial conversations with the Miami Dolphins about a potential trade.

Clowney informed the Dolphins at the time he had no interest in playing there, but has since "started to warm up to the idea," the source said.

Ideally, Clowney would like to be traded to a winning team like the Philadelphia Eagles or Seattle Seahawks, according to the source.

Clowney has not yet signed his $15.967 million franchise tender, which would need to happen before he can be traded.

Clowney is set to make $939,235 a week over 17 weeks after he signs.

 

[banned1976]

What Young Dolphin is proposing is a lot better than some of the crazy trade scenarios I’ve seen on Twitter. I’d prefer Clowney staying, though. The defense really needs him.

 

[Younq Dolphin]

Fuller > Stills when he's on the field

Even if that’s the case (and it’s debatable; I’d hope you’d at least admit that) Stills adds to your offense and playmakers big time. As does drake. Throw in a high 2nd what’s the complaint?

 

[JB]

Even if that’s the case (and it’s debatable; I’d hope you’d at least admit that) Stills adds to your offense and playmakers big time. As does drake. Throw in a high 2nd what’s the complaint?

If Fuller is on the field, will Stills be? And Drake might be all that and a bag of chips, I'd still be pissed at that deal

 

[DEagle7]

Don't underestimate how important a solid RB can be. Watching the Eagles backs struggle over and over again last year after Ajayi went down was downright brutal. Plus a good run game can maybe keep Watson alive.

Still think that a RB should absolutely be a secondary piece in any deal you guys make for Clowney. I think Johnson is underrated a bit and no RB is worth an elite DE. The primary being preferably an OT or if that doesn't work as high a pick as you can get.

 

[mussop]

You’re not getting Tunsil. Who trade an elite LT on a rookie contract for someone who won’t even potentially be here in 2 years @ 16M per + draft capital?

Tunsil is not elite. At least not from what I’ve been reading. He looked a lot better last year than the year before but not elite. Clowney is elite. If our ignorant ass head coach wasn’t in charge this wouldn’t be a discussion. The only reason it’s not absolute steal for you guys is because of the timing with the tag. Again OBs doing.

 

[JB]

Don't underestimate how important a solid RB can be. Watching the Eagles backs struggle over and over again last year after Ajayi went down was downright brutal. Plus a good run game can maybe keep Watson alive.

Still think that a RB should absolutely be a secondary piece in any deal you guys make for Clowney. I think Johnson is underrated a bit and no RB is worth an elite DE. The primary being preferably an OT or if that doesn't work as high a pick as you can get.

A secondary piece, sure, a primary piece? No Way

 

[Younq Dolphin]

Tunsil is not elite. At least not from what I’ve been reading. He looked a lot better last year than the year before but not elite. Clowney is elite. If our ignorant ass head coach wasn’t in charge this wouldn’t be a discussion. The only reason it’s not absolute steal for you guys is because of the timing with the tag. Again OBs doing.

Tunsil is elite. Tunsil is a better prospect and has been more productive at his position than Clowney has been at his AND he’s cheaper so how isn’t he elite if Clowney is?

 

[JB]

Tunsil is elite. Tunsil is a better prospect and has been more productive at his position than Clowney has been at his AND he’s cheaper so how isn’t he elite if Clowney is?

Seriously?

 

[mussop]

Tunsil is elite. Tunsil is a better prospect and has been more productive at his position than Clowney has been at his AND he’s cheaper so how isn’t he elite if Clowney is?

Lol you just lost any credibility you had here go home homer.

 

[DEagle7]

A secondary piece, sure, a primary piece? No Way

Exactly. If a team wants to toss one in to sweeten the deal then by all means go for it. But Drake or one of the Seahawk RBs absolutely should NOT be one of the centerpieces of the deal.

 

[Younq Dolphin]

Lol you just lost any credibility you had here go home homer.

He’s elite. I’ve watched every snap the man has taken since moving from guard his rookie year. He gave up one sack I believe last season and has been monstrous in the run game. You go home ******

 

[JB]

He’s elite. I’ve watched every snap the man has taken since moving from guard his rookie year. He gave up one sack I believe last season and has been monstrous in the run game. You go home ******

Your watching doesn't make him elite... and Mussop is home. And you?

 

[chicagotexan2]

BoB is going to trade Clowney for a tight end that played cricket in college and a fullback that a good teammate relative to what we are trying to do on offense.

For the love of god if I hear fat travolta say”relative to ......, “ again I’m going punch myself in the face ken Giles style.

 

[Dejaview]

Don't underestimate how important a solid RB can be. Watching the Eagles backs struggle over and over again last year after Ajayi went down was downright brutal. Plus a good run game can maybe keep Watson alive.

Still think that a RB should absolutely be a secondary piece in any deal you guys make for Clowney. I think Johnson is underrated a bit and no RB is worth an elite DE. The primary being preferably an OT or if that doesn't work as high a pick as you can get.

Delete

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

Lol you just lost any credibility you had here go home homer.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/baldys-br...s-the-best-young-LT-in-NFL-Baldy-s-Breakdowns

 

[Dejaview]

Don't underestimate how important a solid RB can be. Watching the Eagles backs struggle over and over again last year after Ajayi went down was downright brutal. Plus a good run game can maybe keep Watson alive.

Still think that a RB should absolutely be a secondary piece in any deal you guys make for Clowney. I think Johnson is underrated a bit and no RB is worth an elite DE. The primary being preferably an OT or if that doesn't work as high a pick as you can get.

Good take. I agree. Nothing is more demoralizing than to be shredded by a run game or exhilarating to impose your will with the run. Old school now and under appreciated imo. But you just manage so much of your O and clock that way. We are excellent at stopping the run so a run game keeps a necessary passing game off the field and forced to take chances.

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

Tunsil is elite. Tunsil is a better prospect and has been more productive at his position than Clowney has been at his AND he’s cheaper so how isn’t he elite if Clowney is?

Oh you trippin trippin.

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/baldys-br...s-the-best-young-LT-in-NFL-Baldy-s-Breakdowns

Damn he does look really good there.

Definitely better than anything we got going right now.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

Damn he does look really good there.

Definitely better than anything we got going right now.

He guards his QB like Thorn guards his stash !!

 

[DEagle7]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/baldys-br...s-the-best-young-LT-in-NFL-Baldy-s-Breakdowns

I love Baldy, but the man is a bit hyperbolic sometimes. He has a few breakdowns of Jordan Mailata where he calls him a future All-Pro. While I'd love that to be true the dude has played like 3 games of football (at any level) in his life. Baldy is passionate and detailed, but tends to go a bit overboard sometimes when it comes to young up-and-comers.

 

[Younq Dolphin]

Why don’t you guys do some research instead of being offended because one player plays for my team and Clowney, yours?

This isn’t intended to argue; Tunsil is elite. He’s still on a rookie contract and last year he played to the level he was expected to. The man is filthy. And he’s off limits for trade talk. Not that Clowney isn’t great; I’ve been researching it all afternoon.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

I love Baldy, but the man is a bit hyperbolic sometimes. He has a few breakdowns of Jordan Mailata where he calls him a future All-Pro. While I'd love that to be true the dude has played like 3 games of football (at any level) in his life. Baldy is passionate and detailed, but tends to go a bit overboard sometimes when it comes to young up-and-comers.

Would he talk that way about a stiff ?

 

[Younq Dolphin]

I love Baldy, but the man is a bit hyperbolic sometimes. He has a few breakdowns of Jordan Mailata where he calls him a future All-Pro. While I'd love that to be true the dude has played like 3 games of football (at any level) in his life. Baldy is passionate and detailed, but tends to go a bit overboard sometimes when it comes to young up-and-comers.

Of course he is, unless he’s celebrating your guy. Tunsil is young and elite already at the most important position protecting your franchise. Cut it out... The video alone. Stone walled Khalil Mack last year and your guy Clowney. You guys are homers

 

[DEagle7]

Would he talk that way about a stiff ?

Of course not, but he also has a tendency to overlook flaws when he sees promise. I've even seen a few beat writers make tongue-in-cheek mock "Baldy Breakdowns" gushing over scrubs that make a few good plays. Not to take anything away from Tunsil, he is a very good player with room to improve at one of the most important positions in the game. Just pointing out a bias of the source is all.

Of course he is, unless he’s celebrating your guy. Tunsil is young and elite already at the most important position protecting your franchise. Cut it out

I literally pointed out an example of him going overboard celebrating "my guy" in my post. I can like Tunsil (and even agree that the Dolphins should not trade him) and still recognize that Baldinger is dramatic sometimes. Maybe read closely before getting so defensive.