Brian Gaine Fired

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Pendergast: Thoughts on the Houston Texans’ Firing GM Brian Gaine
There are no scraps in Cal McNair’s scrapbook
The headlines all read "Texans Fire Brian Gaine," but the central figure of this story is not the now-ousted Texans general manager. It’s the Texans’ Chairman and CEO Cal McNair. Let’s face it, Brian Gaine didn’t have a big enough body of work to where anyone could have a strong take on whether or not this decision was warranted based on FOOTBALL reasons (we will get to other reasons in a moment). If anything, Gaine’s glacial approach to fixing the offensive line was sending his GM stock downward, but whatever. To me, the story of this move is in the decisiveness that Cal McNair is showing in fixing a need for improvement that he has assessed.

In theory, this would dovetail with Breer's take...if you ignore the obvious "he has assessed" being attributed to Cal here (which is absurd or foolhardy depending on your PoV). Cal simply isn't football-savvy enough to make this decision on his own.

 

[thunderkyss]

I don't usually agree with Texian, but with that schedule, I don't think a top 10 pick is out of realm of possibilities.

Let's not be to quick to give that prediction to Texian. Like you said, you yourself already believe it to be more than likely as do many members here.

The disagreement with Texian is about the why. Your analysis is fine & your conclusion plausible. Texian is just hate'n

 

[thunderkyss]

Exactly...there’s been no indication whatsoever that BoB had anything to do with this & if you’ve been reading this thread, it’s all the usual suspects. The same ones who’ve had it out for BoB since forever.

I've had it out for BO'b for years. I'm not putting this at his doorstep.

 

[Pharaohcious]

we are 5th in positional spending at CB after his FA signings...(a bunch of NOBODYS)...
He reached 1 draft grade over for almost every draft pick barring the TE's which showed he tried due to his knowledge of TEs but, and this speaks to O'Brien also, TEs are better suited for STRONG-ARM QBs... which would mean if we signed Clowney and traded for a tackle then we'd be trending in the direction of letting DESHAUN WATSON WALK!
O'Brien is a strong arm QB preference coach which only works better for us by canning him this season or in the off-season, post-season!

Only good that could come of this is the amount of Cap space we will have in 4 years after we let a NUMBER of Gaines guys walk!

He didn't trade up for Dillard, I "SERIOUSLY" doubt he was even looking into trading for the Redskins Tackle Trent Williams

I bet, he spent most of his time at the local Massage Parlors with those nasty and UGLY women...

Overall, im glad he's gone. BRING BACK RICK SMITH... Sure he let AJ Bouye walk but then again he also FOUND AJ BOUYE
He put together the front 7
He traded up for Deshaun Watson
He SIGNED Brock which threw ALL THE GMs off their game when he had them thinking he didn't want DW4 and that Brock and O'Brien were going to be a match made in heaven... In retrospect, "It's CHESS, it ain't checkers"

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

So Easterby is behind this.

 

[maverick512000]

we are 5th in positional spending at CB after his FA signings...(a bunch of NOBODYS)...
He reached 1 draft grade over for almost every draft pick barring the TE's which showed he tried due to his knowledge of TEs but, and this speaks to O'Brien also, TEs are better suited for STRONG-ARM QBs... which would mean if we signed Clowney and traded for a tackle then we'd be trending in the direction of letting DESHAUN WATSON WALK!
O'Brien is a strong arm QB preference coach which only works better for us by canning him this season or in the off-season, post-season!

Only good that could come of this is the amount of Cap space we will have in 4 years after we let a NUMBER of Gaines guys walk!

He didn't trade up for Dillard, I "SERIOUSLY" doubt he was even looking into trading for the Redskins Tackle Trent Williams

I bet, he spent most of his time at the local Massage Parlors with those nasty and UGLY women...

Overall, im glad he's gone. BRING BACK RICK SMITH... Sure he let AJ Bouye walk but then again he also FOUND AJ BOUYE
He put together the front 7
He traded up for Deshaun Watson
He SIGNED Brock which threw ALL THE GMs off their game when he had them thinking he didn't want DW4 and that Brock and O'Brien were going to be a match made in heaven... In retrospect, "It's CHESS, it ain't checkers"

 

[zshawn10]

From Up to the Minute Live: The #Texans knocked out two GM interviews over the weekend, and the hope is that #Patriots de factor GM Nick Caserio is next. pic.twitter.com/icSa2WKATA

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) June 10, 2019

 

[zshawn10]

For those thinking the #Jets panicked for Joe Douglas because of the #Texans, that was never the case. #Texans were never in the race for Douglas, per @RapSheet

— LoyalNYJetFans (@loyalnyjetfans) June 10, 2019


At this point it should be Nick Caserio or BUST for the #Texans as GM. I’m starting to believe him coming here is why Gaine was let go in the first place. If he’s not the guy then stuff could hit the fan, but I like what he brings and think he’s the right guy for the gig.

— Landry Locker (@LandryLocker) June 10, 2019

 

[Pharaohcious]

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You're obviously a Democrat

 

[Mangler]

From Up to the Minute Live: The #Texans knocked out two GM interviews over the weekend, and the hope is that #Patriots de factor GM Nick Caserio is next. pic.twitter.com/icSa2WKATA

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) June 10, 2019

I’ll believe the rumors when I read that Caserio is in town for the interview. Till then, baseless rumors. I think he would have been the first person they contacted as soon. As they broke the news about firing Gaine.

 

[Max]

I’ll believe the rumors when I read that Caserio is in town for the interview. Till then, baseless rumors. I think he would have been the first person they contacted as soon. As they broke the news about firing Gaine.

Or he was the last person they contacted before they broke the news about firing Gaine.

 

[zshawn10]

"I think if Nick wants the job, and if the Texans are willing to structure to job the way…a standard GM job is structured, I think it’s Nick’s job." — @AlbertBreer on the #Texans pursuing Nick Caserio from the Patriots

PODCAST – https://t.co/f7w67zZ2hA

— Mike Meltser (@MikeMeltser) June 10, 2019

 

[Rich Schmidt]

Sometimes you interview your best candidate last, means you can close the deal that day without any misgivings or wonder because you kicked tires. Just one more theory pulled out of our MB asses

 

[zshawn10]

610 Article

The Texans expect to have the fourth general manager in franchise history in place by Friday, with Nick Caserio likely the choice, an NFL source told Sports Radio 610.

In addition, the power structure within Texans football operations is expected to be redefined, with Texans senior vice president Jack Easterby taking on as powerful a role as the GM, if not more so. Under the new football brain trust, Easterby could well have final say on all football-related decision before they go to Texans owner Cal McNair, the source said.

 

[TheKDog]

610 Article

"Moving forward, McNair expects O'Brien, Easterby and the new GM to have well-defined, compatible roles in terms of on-field, scouting, and off-field operations. While the threesome are expected to work together equally, Easterby ultimately will oversee decisions and settle disputes."

Clear as mud.

 

[Max]

"Moving forward, McNair expects O'Brien, Easterby and the new GM to have well-defined, compatible roles in terms of on-field, scouting, and off-field operations. While the threesome are expected to work together equally, Easterby ultimately will oversee decisions and settle disputes."

Clear as mud.

Not sure what's not clear about it. If it's true, it sounds like Cal's smart enough to know he's not smart enough to run the team.

 

[TheKDog]

Not sure what's not clear about it. If it's true, it sounds like Cal's smart enough to know he's not smart enough to run the team.

So easterby is running the team?

 

[Max]

So easterby is running the team?

That's how that quote reads.

 

[Number19]

610 Article

This is the New England model that I opined was the direction Cal was implementing. I liked Gaines, but I like this more. It's still a dream, but we may just be putting in place the organizational brain trust that could make the Texans as much a seasonal power house as the Pat's have been. Belichick and Brady are nearing the end of the line. Be nice if we could be the heir apparent.

 

[Speedy]

The team plays winning football. The Texans under O'Brien have won the division 3 out of the last 4 years.

Bill O'Brien is 42-38 overall
15-5 against Tennessee and Jacksonville
27-33 against everyone else
11-27 against teams with a winning record
7 of those 11 wins are against Tennessee (3), Cincy, Jets, Lions and Bills. The other 4, Ravens in '15, KC '16, Colts and Dallas last year.
1-3 in the playoffs, outscored 99-50, only win over a 3rd string rookie making his 1st and so far only NFL start.

Winning weak division titles is great and all, but there's a difference between that and being a legit deep playoff contender.

 

[TheKDog]

So the character coach now has full power.

Also, how do they all have clearly defined roles and also equal power? That doesn't make sense. The guy responsible for personnel will have the most power.

I think that 610 report is just bs

 

[zshawn10]

B/c this has come up — the Patriots were able to block Caserio and Ossenfort from interviewing in Houston in '18 b/c their season was still ongoing. Won't be as easy now.

Here's the piece of the NFL anti-tampering policy that's relevant. Real GM job = they have to let them go. pic.twitter.com/WmPlMYQ1Bh

— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) June 10, 2019


#Texans have asked the Patriots for permission to interview Nick Caserio, New England's director of player personnel. The Texans are in the midst of their interview process to hire a new general manager. Caserio is believed to be the leading candidate if permission is granted.

— Mark Berman (@MarkBermanFox26) June 10, 2019

 

[zshawn10]

So the character coach now has full power.

Also, how do they all have clearly defined roles and also equal power? That doesn't make sense. The guy responsible for personnel will have the most power.

I think that 610 report is just bs

yea tread lightly on it; it's john lopez after all

 

[TheKDog]

Sometimes permission is "blocked" when the guy doesn't really want the job and asks the team to block

 

[Dejaview]

Anyone know why democracy doesn’t work? Greece invented it. How did that work for Socrates?​

Bill O'Brien is 42-38 overall
15-5 against Tennessee and Jacksonville
27-33 against everyone else
11-27 against teams with a winning record
7 of those 11 wins are against Tennessee (3), Cincy, Jets, Lions and Bills. The other 4, Ravens in '15, KC '16, Colts and Dallas last year.
1-3 in the playoffs, outscored 99-50, only win over a 3rd string rookie making his 1st and so far only NFL start.

Winning weak division titles is great and all, but there's a difference between that and being a legit deep playoff contender.

That difference is a better roster with actual depth and not a ton of bizarre injuries to key players. When basically every position needs an overhaul and you’ve wasted a ton of draft picks in recent years it happens. I think the Texans take strides this year if they can stay healthy. This isn’t an overnight fix. If it was where are all the Patriot slayers? Forget that top quote. Can’t even remember why it showed up.

 

[TheKDog]

That difference is a better roster with actual depth and not a ton of bizarre injuries to key players. When basically every position needs an overhaul and you’ve wasted a ton of draft picks in recent years it happens. I think the Texans take strides this year if they can stay healthy. This isn’t an overnight fix. If it was where are all the Patriot slayers?

This is a 5 year rebuild starting next year. The new GM will need a full off-season and a full complement of picks.

Earliest O'Brien can be fired is 2025

 

[Mangler]

B/c this has come up — the Patriots were able to block Caserio and Ossenfort from interviewing in Houston in '18 b/c their season was still ongoing. Won't be as easy now.

Here's the piece of the NFL anti-tampering policy that's relevant. Real GM job = they have to let them go. pic.twitter.com/WmPlMYQ1Bh

— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) June 10, 2019


#Texans have asked the Patriots for permission to interview Nick Caserio, New England's director of player personnel. The Texans are in the midst of their interview process to hire a new general manager. Caserio is believed to be the leading candidate if permission is granted.

— Mark Berman (@MarkBermanFox26) June 10, 2019

Can the Patriots deny us permission to interview Caserio, again??

 

[zshawn10]

The Texans made their request to interview Nick Caserio Friday night while they were lining up weekend interviews with Ray Farmer Saturday and Martin Mayhew Sunday. Brian Gaine was fired Friday afternoon.

— John McClain (@McClain_on_NFL) June 10, 2019

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

"Moving forward, McNair expects O'Brien, Easterby and the new GM to have well-defined, compatible roles in terms of on-field, scouting, and off-field operations. While the threesome are expected to work together equally, Easterby ultimately will oversee decisions and settle disputes."

Clear as mud.

Seems pretty clear to me.

Gm buys the groceries, OB cooks and if one has a problem with what the other is doing easterby settles it.

Doesn't mean that OB wont have any personnel input or that the gm wont have any input on coaching decisions.

But I think that what they are trying to do is lay out clearly who ultimately decides which aspect.

 

[Speedy]

Earliest O'Brien can be fired is 2125

FIFY

 

[Mangler]

The Texans made their request to interview Nick Caserio Friday night while they were lining up weekend interviews with Ray Farmer Saturday and Martin Mayhew Sunday. Brian Gaine was fired Friday afternoon.

— John McClain (@McClain_on_NFL) June 10, 2019

Interesting, I just hope the Pats can’t do sh1t about it and have to grant us persmission.

 

[TheKDog]

Seems pretty clear to me.

Gm buys the groceries, OB cooks and if one has a problem with what the other is doing easterby settles it.

Doesn't mean that OB wont have any personnel input or that the gm wont have any input on coaching decisions.

But I think that what they are trying to do is lay out a clearly who ultimately decides which aspect.

Ok but if they each control one aspect then how can they have equal power?

For example if the gm has power over the draft, signings, free agency (personnel)then to me that's more power over hc who will just be deciding who starts and plays

 

[TheKDog]

Interesting, I just hope the Pats can’t do sh1t about it and have to grant us persmission.

Apparently the blocking has to do with the power of the role. If caserio is offered authority over personnel then they can't block him. If it's power sharing then they can block.

Also no one knows if he even wants it. He may have requested a block previously so he wouldn't have to reject his old pal

 

[Mangler]

Ok but if they each control one aspect then how can they have equal power?

For example if the gm has power over the draft, signings, free agency (personnel)then to me that's more power over hc who will just be deciding who starts and plays

Who gives a sh1t?! Whatever they’re doing in NE is and has been working. Let’s snatch up their entire front office!

 

[TheKDog]

Who gives a sh1t?! Whatever they’re doing in NE is and has been working. Let’s snatch up their entire front office!

I definitely want Caserio. I'm just skeptical he wants to come here

 

[Mangler]

I definitely want Caserio. I'm just skeptical he wants to come here

Right. That’s how I feel as well. I’d he wanted to be here I figure they would have already signed him and cut the crap. Unless they’re just awaiting NE’s response for permission to interview him?

 

[maverick512000]

Interesting, I just hope the Pats can’t do sh1t about it and have to grant us persmission.

Someone posted a link before that basically said if the position is a full GM job with all the power involved in that then they can't block. If it's "GM lite" and BoB will have most of the power then they can block. I'm not sure how works but then I could say that about a lot of how the NFL works.

If its true though then it gives a chance to see just how much power BoB really has.

 

[Mangler]

Someone posted a link before that basically said if the position is a full GM job with all the power involved in that then they can't block. If it's "GM lite" and BoB will have most of the power then they can block. I'm not sure how works but then I could say that about a lot of how the NFL works.

If its true though then it gives a chance to see just how much power BoB really has.

I hope it all goes smooth and we continue to snatch all the Pat’s top people from the front office all the way to position coaches. Let’s go get us a championship!!

 

[zshawn10]

Interesting, I just hope the Pats can’t do sh1t about it and have to grant us persmission.

if it's a real gm job and not a lateral move to here, then yes they have to let him interview. Breer tweet said that

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

Ok but if they each control one aspect then how can they have equal power?

For example if the gm has power over the draft, signings, free agency (personnel)then to me that's more power over hc who will just be deciding who starts and plays

Why do they need to have equal power?

 

[TheKDog]

Why do they need to have equal power?

They don't, but that's what the 610 "source" said

 

[DocBar]

I just wonder why Cal didn't take Gaine to an alignment shop and get him re-aligned with OB instead of needing to go out and find a brand new GM.

 

[amazing80]

So for those wondering if Pats could block again.

The relevant league policy requires that, in order to hire an executive under contract with another team, the new team must offer “the primary authority over all personnel decisions related to the signing of free agents, the selection of players in the College Draft, trades, and related decisions; and . . . the primary responsibility for coordinating other football activities with the head coach.”

Although “[f]inal authority regarding the composition of the 53-player roster is not a requirement,” the job nevertheless must convey primary authority to the G.M. If it doesn’t, request for permission to interview an executive under contract with another team can be denied.

The final analysis entails a delicate balance of the power the team is willing to give to the G.M., along with the power contractually reserved to the head coach. If coach Bill O’Brien already has the kind of authority that otherwise would go to a strong G.M., the G.M. job in Houston essentially becomes “G.M. Light,” lacking the kind of power that would allow the Texans to pry Caserio away from the Patriots.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/profoo...top-choice-to-become-the-next-texans-g-m/amp/

Guess we will find out what kind of power OB has shortly.

 

[Pharaohcious]

So for those wondering if Pats could block again.



https://www.google.com/amp/s/profoo...top-choice-to-become-the-next-texans-g-m/amp/

Guess we will find out what kind of power OB has shortly.[/QU
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Could I get that in Lamens terms

 

[Pharaohcious]

So for those wondering if Pats could block again.



https://www.google.com/amp/s/profoo...top-choice-to-become-the-next-texans-g-m/amp/

Guess we will find out what kind of power OB has shortly.

Could I get that in Lamens terms

 

[thunderkyss]

Overall, im glad he's gone. BRING BACK RICK SMITH... Sure he let AJ Bouye walk but then again he also FOUND AJ BOUYE
He put together the front 7
He traded up for Deshaun Watson

I'm not hankering for Rick to come back but I agree with you. He did some good things & if he had a coach that was in line with him, we may have hit on more third, 4th, 5th round picks like Ben Jones, Ryan Griffin, Louis Nix, etc...

 

[thunderkyss]

"I think if Nick wants the job, and if the Texans are willing to structure to job the way…a standard GM job is structured, I think it’s Nick’s job." — @AlbertBreer on the #Texans pursuing Nick Caserio from the Patriots

PODCAST – https://t.co/f7w67zZ2hA

— Mike Meltser (@MikeMeltser) June 10, 2019

I can't see BO'b getting behind that. He should know how lucky he is to still be here, out lasting 2 GMs.

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

They don't, but that's what the 610 "source" said

Missed that part.

Not sure that I'd necessarily say one has more power over the other though. They can both make each other look worse or better.

 

[thunderkyss]

610 Article

Jack Easterby taking on as powerful a role as the GM, if not more so. Under the new football brain trust, Easterby could well have final say on all football-related decision before they go to Texans owner Cal McNair, the source said.

WTF... I thought he was a motivational speaker.

 

[amazing80]

Could I get that in Lamens terms

Basically, if we try to hire Caserio as a legit GM, having full control over the players, scouting, free agents, etc. then we have the right to do so and the Patriots cannot stop us.

If we try to hire Caserio, but limit his duties (allowing someone else, like OB, to make those final decisions) then the Patriots have the ability to block or deny us from interviewing him. We have to give him full control or else they can say no.