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Brian Gaine Fired

steelbtexan said:
Well if any team lost their QB they will probably end up close to 4-12.

Look at the Colts when they lost Luck. I bet if you were a Colts fan you would be posting the same things on their MB.
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And they cleaned house after that. We gave our coach an extension.
 
amazing80 said:
And they cleaned house after that. We gave our coach an extension.
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This is a fair cticism and what I wanted the Texans to do at the time. The McNair's didn't see it this way Why, we don't know but I'm trying to stay positive and think they had good reasons for making the decisions they made.
 
steelbtexan said:
This is a fair cticism and what I wanted the Texans to do at the time. The McNair's didn't see it this way Why, we don't know but I'm trying to stay positive and think they had good reasons for making the decisions they made.
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One thing is they never clean house. They only fire either the coach or gm. Never both.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
I don't give a **** what McClain says. I don't give a **** what Brian Smith says. Or any of the other people who've said the same thing, which I've seen here since the news broke. I'm not from Houston and I've never lived in Houston. The beat writers mean absolutely nothing to me. I don't read any of those guys. I don't have an agenda.

We're fans. We're never going to hear anything that definitely says one way or the other. We can only go off what we see. All I need to see is what I see. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out. There's one man who's constantly standing. He's constantly painted as an outsider to his own actions. But he remains. So who's ultimately responsible?

I asked this a few days ago and I got no response:

Who the **** exactly is Bill O'Brien to keep having---and winning----power struggles? If he was as adept at winning football games as he is winning power struggles, maybe some of us would like him more.

You keep saying just win, but there's only one path forward to winning. You're more interested in protecting a failure.
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Ever ask yourself why the McNair's keep BOB around and have let 2GM's go? Could it be that Cal was doing his 1st interviews since taking over for his sick daddy and maybe he was worried about things more important than the Houston Texans at that time, so he went with the guy that was most familiar to him. (Gaine)

Hugh Jackson is a failure, BOB isn't.
 
thunderkyss said:
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Very cute and wrong
 
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So… why would the Texans pull the plug? Fit. Alignment. O’Brien’s vision for the franchise. And, perhaps, the opportunity to do what teams have failed to for the last half-decade—pry Caserio from New England. Along those lines, here is some of what I know about this offseason and where things are going from here in Houston …
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  • There wasn’t disagreement over the Texans’ handling of Mathieu or Jadeveon Clowney, both of whom had contracts expiring. The brass was well-aware of Mathieu’s desire to become the highest-paid safety in football again, and the team wasn’t going there if it got to that point, which it did. As for Clowney, the team was open to doing a deal last year on its terms. That didn’t happen, so the Texans franchise-tagged Clowney this year, making it so they’d have to go into the $20-million-per stratosphere to sign him long-term.
  • The coaches have been happy with Mathieu’s replacement, Tashaun Gipson, who came at about half the price for which the Honey Badger went to Kansas City.
  • O’Brien is a big fan of Alabama State OT Tytus Howard, and the scouts were thrilled to draft him, regardless of whether he was taken higher than the league consensus. Meanwhile, second-round OT Max Scharping has already impressed, as has third-round TE Kahale Warring.
  • That said, if there was a criticism of Gaine’s final draft in Houston, it may tie to that league consensus and the possibility he could’ve gotten Howard a little later on. The Texans didn’t make a single draft-day trade—they had an extra second-rounder from the Brown deal, and moved their fourth-rounder and swapped sevens with Denver in the Demaryius Thomas trade. One can argue that if Texans loved Howard, it wasn’t worth losing him (especially given the need), but the lack of trades is absolutely relevant given that O’Brien and Easterby came from an organization that’s routinely trade-happy on draft weekend.
  • O’Brien and Caserio (offensive coaches together in 2007, O’Brien’s first NFL season) are very close. Easterby and Caserio are very close. And here’s one thing I found interesting—three guys that know all involved well told me over the weekend that they saw O’Brien as good a fit for Caserio as a coach as Caserio’s college teammate, Josh McDaniels. Or maybe an even better fit.
  • Perception has long held that Caserio won’t leave New England. But he’s come closer than people think—and he really considered taking the Dolphins job in 2014. The deal breaker there? Owner Steve Ross wasn’t going to let him fire Joe Philbin and bring in his own coach, I’m told. Which explains how important being set up with the right coach is for Caserio.
  • Caserio’s position in New England may not be what some would consider a "real GM job," because Belichick has final say. But he’s been given a broad set of responsibilities, which he may not be able to duplicate in every other situation. One part of the job that Caserio loves is his role as a quasi-coach—he’s actually on the headset, from the booth, with McDaniels during Patriots games. So going to a place where he can shape the job as he sees fit, and with a coach who understands what he does, could certainly be a factor.
  • Easterby’s whereabouts the day before Gaine’s firing? Brookline, Mass., for the Patriots’ ring ceremony. Caserio and Easterby hanging out there isn’t huge news, because, again, they’re good friends. But it certainly stands to reason that Caserio’s future may have come up as they [talked].
Now, add that up. The Texans hardly face-planted under Gaine, who’s got a strong rep in scouting circles and is very well-liked, nor was there massive philosophical disagreement on any one move. But—and this is a big but—in January 2018, when Gaine was hired, it looked like Easterby was going to Indianapolis with McDaniels, and the Patriots denied the Texans permission to talk to Caserio (and college scouting director Monti Ossenfort). Since then? Easterby became available. And soon enough, we’ll find out if Caserio did too. Maybe this winds up being Ossenfort (who’s well-respected) or even someone like Scott Pioli (who had Easterby in Kansas City). But I’d be surprised if either of those guys landed the job without making a hard run at Caserio first. That is, assuming something isn’t quietly done already.
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steelbtexan said:
Ever ask yourself why the McNair's keep BOB around and have let 2GM's go? Could it be that Cal was doing his 1st interviews since taking over for his sick daddy and maybe he was worried about things more important than the Houston Texans at that time, so he went with the guy that was most familiar to him. (Gaine)

Hugh Jackson is a failure, BOB isn't.
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Because McNair's are bad owners?

They gave gaine a 5 year contract
 
zshawn10 said:
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This is the kind of information I love to see. Although because the reporter is national some will quickly discount this article as nothing more than rumor mongering, kind of like the RS/BOB dysfunctional story that was true and some on here called that rumor mongering at the time.

I cant call RS the former GM anymore since Gaine got fired. I will not mention his name though. Wonder what he's up too these days.

Thanks for posting this article.
 
TheKDog said:
Because McNair's are bad owners?

They gave gaine a 5 year contract
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You might be starting to realize the true root of the problem and it has nothing to do with BOB.

I'm willing to give Cal a chance, but I will admit that the Gaine firing (Especially the timing of the firing) certainly isn't a good look for a new owner.
 
steelbtexan said:
This is a fair cticism and what I wanted the Texans to do at the time. The McNair's didn't see it this way Why, we don't know but I'm trying to stay positive and think they had good reasons for making the decisions they made.
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It's been said quite a bit on this board. Bob the head coach, leader of men, is workable. He is above average and can get his guys to play hard. Bob the offensive coordinator is trash. Doesn't adapt his play calling to his players, doesn't have a feel for the game, is not creative in his designs, and lacks the ability to consistently produce good results.
 
TheKDog said:
Speaking of speculation with zero evidence, this is it.

Love the spin that O'Brien is as good as McDaniels. Lol.
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Your reading comprehension is atrocious. That line was talking about how Caserio fits with each of those guys for what he likes to do....Aside from that, what exactly has Josh McDaniels done that says he's better offensively than BoB is? If you're going to discount BoB's tenure in NE as the OC for a great qb, then you must discount McDaniels' time as well considering that's the only place he's had success.
 
TheKDog said:
Love the spin that O'Brien is as good as McDaniels. Lol.
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Not sure how you got that from the article? The comment was
three guys that know all involved well told me over the weekend that they saw O’Brien as good a fit for Caserio as a coach as Caserio’s college teammate, Josh McDaniels
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not as good as
 
Mr teX said:
Your reading comprehension is atrocious. That line was talking about how Caserio fits with each of those guys for what he likes to do....Aside from that, what exactly has Josh McDaniels done that says he's better offensively than BoB is? If you're going to discount BoB's tenure in NE as the OC for a great qb, then you must discount McDaniels' time as well considering that's the only place he's had success.
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Agenda, agenda, agenda
 
Mr teX said:
Your reading comprehension is atrocious. That line was talking about how Caserio fits with each of those guys for what he likes to do....Aside from that, what exactly has Josh McDaniels done that says he's better offensively than BoB is? If you're going to discount BoB's tenure in NE as the OC for a great qb, then you must discount McDaniels' time as well considering that's the only place he's had success.
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O'Brien lasted one year as OC and was dumped.

McDaniels is one of the best OCs in the league. Belichick was desperate to get him back and keep him.
 
steelbtexan said:
This is the kind of information I love to see. Although because the reporter is national some will quickly discount this article as nothing more than rumor mongering, kind of like the RS/BOB dysfunctional story that was true and some on here called that rumor mongering at the time.

I cant call RS the former GM anymore since Gaine got fired. I will not mention his name though. Wonder what he's up too these days.

Thanks for posting this article.
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It comes at a time where Breer is a single source saying things again. (we went though this with the Tytus Howard discussion)

It's not that it "isn't true", but the question always comes as whether this is actually insider information, or what the Texans are putting out there in an ear for damage control.

The part I found most intriguing regards the acquisition of Easterby and the timing of his leaving the Patriots org (post-Kraft happy ending). That's the part that makes this seem feasible timing-wise, though it still doesn't explain why Gaine was let go...unless this is literally the only time to grab Caserio.
 
TheKDog said:
O'Brien lasted one year as OC and was dumped.

McDaniels is one of the best OCs in the league. Belichick was desperate to get him back and keep him.
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You're retarded my man. He wasn't "dumped" he left for a HC opportunity...same as McDaniels did a few years prior. Difference is 1 guy was able to last & build on his opportunity, another took a hit & came back home...Interestingly enough both guys coached awesome offenses to the SB that wound up losing to NYG.
 
TheKDog said:
O'Brien lasted one year as OC and was dumped.

McDaniels is one of the best OCs in the league. Belichick was desperate to get him back and keep him.
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We are talking about head coach, Josh is 11-17. He is a better OC, not sure there is any proof he is a better head coach. OC, I think he has proven over more time he is a better OC than BOB, but head coach, not thinking so. Jobs are very different
 
Mr teX said:
You're retarded my man. He wasn't "dumped" he left for a HC opportunity...same as McDaniels did a few years prior. Difference is 1 guy was able to last & build on his opportunity, another took a hit & came back home...Interestingly enough both guys coached awesome offenses to the SB that wound up losing to NYG.
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Yes because Penn State was a better job than new England oc.

No way. He was told he wasn't gonna be retained or demoted for McDaniels so he left
 
Rich Schmidt said:
We are talking about head coach, Josh is 11-17. He is a better OC, not sure there is any proof he is a better head coach. OC, I think he has proven over more time he is a better OC than BOB, but head coach, not thinking so. Jobs are very different
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That's true, McDaniels was a disastrous hc, but O'Brien is just as bad imo
 
amazing80 said:
It's been said quite a bit on this board. Bob the head coach, leader of men, is workable. He is above average and can get his guys to play hard. Bob the offensive coordinator is trash. Doesn't adapt his play calling to his players, doesn't have a feel for the game, is not creative in his designs, and lacks the ability to consistently produce good results.
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Hopefully the OL is fixed and we will see. The OL has been neglected for far too long. I'm hoping if Trent Williams is truly available they go get him. Even if it means letting Clowney walk after this yr and I like Clowney.
 
amazing80 said:
It's been said quite a bit on this board. Bob the head coach, leader of men, is workable. He is above average and can get his guys to play hard. Bob the offensive coordinator is trash. Doesn't adapt his play calling to his players, doesn't have a feel for the game, is not creative in his designs, and lacks the ability to consistently produce good results.
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Hopefully the OL is fixed and we will see. The OL has been neglected for far too long. I'm hoping if Trent Williams is truly available they go get him. Even if it means letting Clowney walk after this yr and I like Clowney.
 
TheKDog said:
Yes because Penn State was a better job than new England oc.

No way. He was told he wasn't gonna be retained or demoted for McDaniels so he left
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O’Brien himself said that he almost got divorced because of those tough times working the NE OC job. The Penn State HC gig came with a good salary, so he took it. I don’t blame him. A guy’s gotta do what a guy’s gotta do...
 
TheKDog said:
Yes because Penn State was a better job than new England oc.

No way. He was told he wasn't gonna be retained or demoted for McDaniels so he left
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From an opportunity stand point, it was at least on par...& like i said, BoB built off of that & parlayed it into a HC gig in the NFL...he was the hottest HC candidate on the market when the Texans snagged him & if we didn't get him, he almost assuredly would've gotten picked up somewhere else that year.
 
disaacks3 said:
It comes at a time where Breer is a single source saying things again. (we went though this with the Tytus Howard discussion)

It's not that it "isn't true", but the question always comes as whether this is actually insider information, or what the Texans are putting out there in an ear for damage control.

The part I found most intriguing regards the acquisition of Easterby and the timing of his leaving the Patriots org (post-Kraft happy ending). That's the part that makes this seem feasible timing-wise, though it still doesn't explain why Gaine was let go...unless this is literally the only time to grab Caserio.
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Exactly.

Probably the same source who told him the Texans wanted Howard over Dillard, which is laughable
 
disaacks3 said:
It comes at a time where Breer is a single source saying things again. (we went though this with the Tytus Howard discussion)

It's not that it "isn't true", but the question always comes as whether this is actually insider information, or what the Texans are putting out there in an ear for damage control.

The part I found most intriguing regards the acquisition of Easterby and the timing of his leaving the Patriots org (post-Kraft happy ending). That's the part that makes this seem feasible timing-wise, though it still doesn't explain why Gaine was let go...unless this is literally the only time to grab Caserio.
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People are going to believe what they want to believe. Greer wasn't the only guy out there reporting the dysfunction. Glazer was also reporting it and I think LaConfora was too.

Agreed about the Easterby part of your post.

I truly wonder what Gaine did to get fired. Or is Cal ruthless and saw a chance to get Cesario so he cut bait with Gaine. Eating 3 and 1/2 yrs on a contract doesn't seem like a McNair way of doing business. Maybe Cal is different than his dad after all.
 
TheKDog said:
O'Brien lasted one year as OC and was dumped.

McDaniels is one of the best OCs in the league. Belichick was desperate to get him back and keep him.
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Just for the record, I was very high on BOB when he arrived. Not so much after seeing he results.

That being said, BOB was calling plays in NE for more than a year. His official title was OC for only a year, but he called plays for 2-3 years if memory serves.
 
Some of what Breer posted seems to have some truth to it.

Some of our media members are pleased with Howard's progression so far and Scharping seems to be coming along. Everyone that has seen Warring seems to love what he brings.

Like I said, maybe not EVERYTHING is true but the things we have heard seems to line up with what Breer said.
 
frethack said:
Just for the record, I was very high on BOB when he arrived. Not so much after seeing he results.

That being said, BOB was calling plays in NE for more than a year. His official title was OC for only a year, but he called plays for 2-3 years if memory serves.
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That's true.

But go to Patriots message board back then and they are literally having the same arguments we are having. Questions about his terrible playcalling and how they need a real oc.

https://www.patsfans.com/new-englan...n-named-oc-and-other-coaching-changes.736274/

It's uncanny
 
Pendergast: Thoughts on the Houston Texans’ Firing GM Brian Gaine

For any NFL franchise to fire a general manager less than two years into his tenure, especially coming off an 11-5 season, would be considered odd, at the very least. For the Houston Texans, a franchise who has had only three head coaches and three general managers (and three playoff wins) in its entire history, to do this had me checking to make sure that we weren’t all duped on Twitter or something.

Indeed, in the first real salvo fired by Chairman and CEO Cal McNair since officially taking over for his late father in November 2018, the Texans are now in the market for a general manager. Here are my thoughts on this decision and where the Texans go from here:

There are no scraps in Cal McNair’s scrapbook
The headlines all read "Texans Fire Brian Gaine," but the central figure of this story is not the now-ousted Texans general manager. It’s the Texans’ Chairman and CEO Cal McNair. Let’s face it, Brian Gaine didn’t have a big enough body of work to where anyone could have a strong take on whether or not this decision was warranted based on FOOTBALL reasons (we will get to other reasons in a moment). If anything, Gaine’s glacial approach to fixing the offensive line was sending his GM stock downward, but whatever. To me, the story of this move is in the decisiveness that Cal McNair is showing in fixing a need for improvement that he has assessed. Whether he is right nor not, whether he will pick a good successor or not, those will play out over time. But I love the decisiveness. For years, Texan fans lamented how patient the late Bob McNair was with head coaches and one particular general manager — the early returns on his son are that he will be operating differently than his old man. If you were frustrated by the elder McNair’s patience and tolerance for underperformance, then this move on Friday should enthuse you. Sure, is there a like a five percent chance that Cal McNair could be the Mad King of owners? Maybe. But I respect an owner seeing something he thinks needs fixing and then not just fixing it, but spending millions of dollars to do so. And that’s the other thing — for Cal McNair to pay Gaine the final three-plus years of his contract to go away, then whatever Cal McNair saw to necessitate this decision must have been bad.

Is Bill O’Brien now more powerful or more compromised by this move?
There was no doubt that when Gaine was hired, he and O’Brien were in full alignment. How do we know this? Because the two of them wouldn’t stop saying the word "alignment" anytime they spoke about each other. It became somewhat of a running punchline. Well, obviously whatever alignment existed before deteriorated over time. John McClain called it on "erosion" of the relationship in his story on the Houston Chronicle. So the question now becomes "Is Bill O’Brien more powerful within the organization, or is this move a message that HE is, like Gaine apparently was, on the hot seat?" Personally, I think it’s both. All of the stories of Gaine’s replacement seem to point to "O’Brien guys" and the Texans’ head coach will again be part of the group making the GM selection. However, O’Brien has to see the way Cal McNair is operating and know that he could be next, especially if the treacherous gauntlet of the first two months of 2019’s schedule catches him. If the Texans go, say, 6-10, then we could be looking at a new head coach, too. I think the most interesting part of next season could be if the Texans go 8-8 — right now, Vegas has them posted as an 8.5 win team — and then see what McNair does. His father would have likely rode it out another year with O’Brien. It took two 2-14 records for Bob McNair to make the only head coaching changes of his ownership. Hell, O’Brien got an EXTENSION after a 4-12 season while Bob McNair was still with us! Will Cal McNair settle for "just OK"? This Gaine firing indicates that times may be changing on head coaching evaluations over at NRG Stadium, as well.
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frethack said:
Just for the record, I was very high on BOB when he arrived. Not so much after seeing he results.

That being said, BOB was calling plays in NE for more than a year. His official title was OC for only a year, but he called plays for 2-3 years if memory serves.
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I was high on OB too but as time wore on he began to wear on me. I honestly believe he improved last year on game management. The problem I had was the "it's not my job" comment.

I don't think Gaine getting fired is necessarily a good thing for Bill O'Brien. If anything it shows Cal has less patience than his dad did.
 
dalemurphy said:
If we assume that we are in for a rebuild/ or at least a rough season and a reset... Regardless of mistakes Gaine may have made, he sure has put us in a good position to quickly turn this thing around:

1. Zero large, extended contracts for overpaid veterans.
2. A lot of cap room
3. short, veteran contracts- vets who can be re-signed or let go for compensatory picks since their contracts are expiring after one or two seasons.
4. A full slate of draft picks this season + 3 additional compensatory picks, including probably two that are 3rd-4th rounds.
5. A lot of youth across the board at every position.

** whether his removal was wise or not, they better get it right this time! 10 picks upcoming + big decisions on players like Watson, Clowney, and a lot of others either in their prime or entering their prime years.
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Yes what he did was often good but what he didn't do at least what I think he didn't do +an improvement over him may have led to his downfall. I really liked the little 2015 Nissan Sentra I leased when I retired and what it did was good enough that when the $202 month lease ended I paid it off to keep. In less than a year, a better option in a new 2018 Nissan Altima with several better options + a $289 month purchase encouraged me to make a move. Not necessarily the smartest move economically or budget wise but a move I wanted and thought would be better for me and my needs & wants.
 
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