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Lol if anything is clear it is BG going against the past grain To Be Clear and change/construct a team with a clearly defined physical and mental type of player. Past lack of plans, BPA and FA shots that gave BG a gutted roster is what he clearly means when he states HIS plan. BG has only one full season under his belt. So you think he clearly already fits into the past mediocrity?It's not just draft capital, it's also the FA market.
Other teams are making moves in the draft/FA markets.
Texans are doing what the Texans have done since 2010.
Speaking of being clear, clearly the Texans philosophy has lead to mediocrity over the last decade and nothing has changed since Gaine has become GM.
It's not just draft capital, it's also the FA market.
Other teams are making moves in the draft/FA markets.
Texans are doing what the Texans have done since 2010.
Speaking of being clear, clearly the Texans philosophy has lead to mediocrity over the last decade and nothing has changed since Gaine has become GM.
Yeah this rookie class just walked into the building a few days ago not to mention new signings.They did finish 11-5 his first year as GM without 1st/2nd round picks. I wouldn't give him the "mediocre" tag just yet.
I think as the NFL progresses towards spread offenses, the chances of picking up a solid left or right tackle via FA is going to get tougher if not impossible. These two positions will become must pay. Teams may not wait for top performing tackles to become FA's to initiate talks.....those talks probably start happening before the final year arrives.
Another spot that will become highly cherished.....the OL Coach. Teams are going to have to find their tackles in the draft and completely groom them. The only way this is going to be successful, teams better have a great instructor who can teach technique and implement an offensive blocking scheme. Me personally, I'd have no issue seeing teams pursuing great OL coaches for the college ranks since most of them have been completely indoctrinated in creating schemes for the spread offense.
I think the Texans possess some very good upside players for the OL but due to OB's inability to decide exactly what type of offense he wants, the personnel to execute his offense, and the OL Coach to both teach and execute the plan then this will continue to be a cluster duck of hope.
Unfortunately, Howard and Davenport are going to have to be taught to man the LT position. Khalil should be there as the veteran mentor and backup when needed but mostly as that second coach on the sidelines who can quickly be in their ear.
I'd be truly relieved to see Rankin listed as the teams LG going into off-season work.
OB and Devlin must identify their lineman and their OL position and put the onus on them to learn and master the position before making them a jack of all trades along the OL.
Texans have 10 OL who need to learn and master the position.
LT- Davenport, Khalil, Howard
LG- Rankins, Kelemete
OC- Martin, Mancz
RG- Fulton, Mancz
RT- Henderson, Scharping
**I'm not concerned in regards to Mancz, he's probably the best Center on the roster and easily can cover RG with little to no downgrade.**
Anyhow, this group would be required, in my world, to take every snap at these assigned positions until Pre-Season Game 3. Give each of them equal reps with the 1st team to better assess their abilities. This would simply become Devlin's last opportunity, and maybe even OB's, to prove they have what it takes to coach up these athletes and instill a scheme they will stick with through the season.
It's not just draft capital, it's also the FA market.
Other teams are making moves in the draft/FA markets.
Texans are doing what the Texans have done since 2010.
Speaking of being clear, clearly the Texans philosophy has lead to mediocrity over the last decade and nothing has changed since Gaine has become GM.
Yeah this rookie class just walked into the building a few days ago not to mention new signings.
Let's give it fair hearing.
Whelp, Aaron Rogers was held back 3 years right? 23rd pick, all from memory...If Howard and Johnson Jr. don't contribute out of the gate …. what does that say ?
Especially if players taken at their position after them are contributing from the jump …. or players you could have had at the opposite position play like studs and these two are holding clip boards ?
Whelp, Aaron Rogers was held back 3 years right? 23rd pick, all from memory...
So? He wasn't a HOF'er in his playing days.Yeah , he sat behind a freakin HOFer …. the dudes these cats will sit behind were the worst OL in the league last year.
So? He wasn't a HOF'er in his playing days.Yeah , he sat behind a freakin HOFer …. the dudes these cats will sit behind were the worst OL in the league last year.
Really?So? He wasn't a HOF'er in his playing days.
And he sat 3 freaking years.
Left me feeling like Tricky Rick was still at the wheel of this franchise ….again.
Really.Really?
Really.
As if we needed more evidence as to how much input BO'b has in selecting players. Ricky is gone, but the draft is the same.
Two things though. We don't know if these two will start right away or not. Whether we think they are ready to or not doesn't matter.
Eric Fisher wasn't ready to start, but did. & he was a #1 overall pick.
Let's see how they divt up snaps in camp.
You're telling the story.Wasn't he first ballot HOF'er? I stipulate that most of the NFL insiders disagree with you
You're telling the story.
What would NFL insiders disagree with me about?
So? He wasn't a HOF'er in his playing days.
And he sat 3 freaking years.
He sat behind Brett Freaking Favre ….
You're not in the HoF until you are inducted.That Favre was a first ballot HOF'er even when playing his last few seasons
You're repeating yourself.He sat behind Brett Freaking Favre ….
You're repeating yourself.
You're not in the HoF until you are inducted.
whatever dude
I forget , how far removed from a Lombardi were the Packers when they drafted Rodgers ? …. How far removed from the NFC Championship game ?
I believe they were a playoff team but lost in WC round
If I were even halfway inclined I might find other examples.whatever dude
If I were even halfway inclined I might find other examples.
Point is, it is not unprecedented for first round draftees to not play immediately.
What what?what?
I never should have come back to read idiocy
What what?
What what?what?
I never should have come back to read idiocy
Huh?What?
A few folks here have a very strong belief that round 1 and round 2 selections must be 1st day starters, otherwise the draft was a bust. Am I saying that right?
I'm not in agreement with that as a blanket statement, not even close. Getting the right guys in place for the medium and long haul is vastly more important. The guys in rounds 1 & 2 may need some coaching and seasoning, and I'm okay with that provided it doesn't take too long.
From what I can see from the vantage point of early May, Howard and Scharping are going to be good over the long haul. I like that a lot. If they need some seasoning, coaching, practice, and S&C work before they start, I'm okay with that, yes and indeed.
So, it's nonsense to say that they're busts if they don't start the season opener.
Play the best players the first week. If that means Howard and Scharping are a bit behind and don't start initially, I have little doubt that they'll pass the guys ahead of them in short order.
Maybe one reason I'm not having a cow is that I never never ever bet. I wonder if the really unhappy folks on here are bettors.It's a 'now' generation
A few folks here have a very strong belief that round 1 and round 2 selections must be 1st day starters, otherwise the draft was a bust. Am I saying that right?
No matter how ready Howard and Scharping are for game 1, they'll be more ready week by week. It's a learning curve. Preparing and starting those guys will be much more a process than an event.That's not the way I understand their argument. They're saying ready to start week 1 should be on the list of qualifiers of a 1st/2nd round pick.
Unless he's a QB.
I don't think BO'b has the balls not to start them so I think it's a moot point. I just hope BO'b & Devlin put them in position they can handle. If Howard isn't ready to play LT in the NFL don't put him at LT. Same with Sharping & Johnson.
They did finish 11-5 his first year as GM without 1st/2nd round picks. I wouldn't give him the "mediocre" tag just yet.
A few folks here have a very strong belief that round 1 and round 2 selections must be 1st day starters, otherwise the draft was a bust. Am I saying that right?
I'm not in agreement with that as a blanket statement, not even close. Getting the right guys in place for the medium and long haul is vastly more important. The guys in rounds 1 & 2 may need some coaching and seasoning, and I'm okay with that provided it doesn't take too long.
From what I can see from the vantage point of early May, Howard and Scharping are going to be good over the long haul. I like that a lot. If they need some seasoning, coaching, practice, and S&C work before they start, I'm okay with that, yes and indeed.
So, it's nonsense to say that they're busts if they don't start the season opener.
Play the best players the first week. If that means Howard and Scharping are a bit behind and don't start initially, I have little doubt that they'll pass the guys ahead of them in short order.
We also have to remember that the other OLinemen, including Kalil, are well aware that bringing Hiward and Scharping on board means their careers are on the line.
A few folks here have a very strong belief that round 1 and round 2 selections must be 1st day starters, otherwise the draft was a bust. Am I saying that right?
I'm not in agreement with that as a blanket statement, not even close. Getting the right guys in place for the medium and long haul is vastly more important. The guys in rounds 1 & 2 may need some coaching and seasoning, and I'm okay with that provided it doesn't take too long.
From what I can see from the vantage point of early May, Howard and Scharping are going to be good over the long haul. I like that a lot. If they need some seasoning, coaching, practice, and S&C work before they start, I'm okay with that, yes and indeed.
So, it's nonsense to say that they're busts if they don't start the season opener.
Play the best players the first week. If that means Howard and Scharping are a bit behind and don't start initially, I have little doubt that they'll pass the guys ahead of them in short order.
That's not the way I understand their argument. They're saying ready to start week 1 should be on the list of qualifiers of a 1st/2nd round pick.
Unless he's a QB.
I don't think BO'b has the balls not to start them so I think it's a moot point. I just hope BO'b & Devlin put them in position they can handle. If Howard isn't ready to play LT in the NFL don't put him at LT. Same with Sharping & Johnson.
Beneficiaries of a really weak schedule and some very Questionable decisions by a few opposing coaches. But yeah he played a major part in us going 11-5.
How many asterisks did Peyton Manning get for playing the AFC South most of his career? It’s the NFL. 11-5 is impressive
Maybe not start immediately in the season opener in September, nevertheless a teams first round Draft pick should make a significant contribution his rookie year otherwise he's more of a project and that's not what most folks expect from a first rounder.A few folks here have a very strong belief that round 1 and round 2 selections must be 1st day starters, otherwise the draft was a bust. Am I saying that right?
I'm not in agreement with that as a blanket statement, not even close. Getting the right guys in place for the medium and long haul is vastly more important. The guys in rounds 1 & 2 may need some coaching and seasoning, and I'm okay with that provided it doesn't take too long.
From what I can see from the vantage point of early May, Howard and Scharping are going to be good over the long haul. I like that a lot. If they need some seasoning, coaching, practice, and S&C work before they start, I'm okay with that, yes and indeed.
So, it's nonsense to say that they're busts if they don't start the season opener.
Play the best players the first week. If that means Howard and Scharping are a bit behind and don't start initially, I have little doubt that they'll pass the guys ahead of them in short order.
I'm not saying that they are busts …. What I am saying is
A) There may have been better options that do immediately contribute. They could have had the first corner , Wr or RB off the board and still likely had both the OT's they took … and if not similar players.
HaveMercy: I disagree with just about everything you've said. Wide receivers & Cornerbacks typically need at least some seasoning and are most often worked in gradually. A really good running back can always run but still must learn the blocking schemes and, just as importantly, how to stay back and pick up rushers (especially with our OL being a work in progress). That doesn't usually happen by the season opener, either.
And, for the O Linemen, I think they got the guys they wanted and didn't want to roll the dice. I'm assuming that their top 3 we're Dillard, Howard, and Scharping, with Dillard and Howard being near equals on their draft board and Scharping not far behind. With the OL being the biggest area of need by far, much more so than CB, WR, or RB, they did the prudent thing.