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First draft choice?

OptimisticTexan said:
I'd hope he would've got that policy the day he entered the NFL. Lloyd's of London is the insurer I remember offering those policies to professional athletes.
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Those policies are for if he has a career ending injury.

They arn't for if he gets hurt and loses a bunch of $$$$ because of injury but is able to continue playing.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I'm going to predict a trade back in RD1. I think the Texans can get a desired OT a little later in RD1 while gaining another pick in RD2 or RD3 depending on who's up for grabs at 23. I think the Texans need a smart but tough nosed OL, therefore I'm going to stick with my initial prediction.....Texans draft Dalton Risner or Erik McCoy. Both of these guys would be tremendous additions to the OL.
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If Risner and Little are both available at 23, trade back. A two might be wishing for too much, but if things fell just right, we could get a three. I wouldn't want to move out of round one. I want that extra contract year.
 
Texans should be shopping Clowney right now. If they don't, he's going to hold out and have less trade value. If he plays he's going to be on and off the pine with knee problems, more on it as time moves along.
 
Seegara said:
Texans should be shopping Clowney right now. If they don't, he's going to hold out and have less trade value. If he plays he's going to be on and off the pine with knee problems, more on it as time moves along.
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I thought it had been reported that they were listening to offers this year, unlike last
 
steelbtexan said:
Pat Storm reported on twitter Gaine turned down the Lions 1st for Clowney.
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ObsiWan said:
Link please....
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ObsiWan said:
I don't know if I totally agree...
Raiders got two #1's for Mack.
maybe he thinks he can get more
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Kind of.

Chicago got Mack for 2018, a 2019 2nd and a 2020 5th.

Oakland got a 2019 1st & 2020 1st, a 2019 6th and 2020 3rd.

Converted to 2018 value that's:

Mack, a 3rd and a 7th for,

A 2nd, a 3rd, a 7th and a 4th.

So basically Mack for a 2nd and 4th.

Looked at another way, Chicago's #24 @ 740 pts is just over half of Detroit's #8 @ 1400 pts.

IMO that would be so stupid it casts the whole thing in doubt including the Clowney conversation.
 
infantrycak said:
Kind of.

Chicago got Mack for 2018, a 2019 2nd and a 2020 5th.

Oakland got a 2019 1st & 2020 1st, a 2019 6th and 2020 3rd.

Converted to 2018 value that's:

Mack, a 3rd and a 7th for,

A 2nd, a 3rd, a 7th and a 4th.

So basically Mack for a 2nd and 4th.

Looked at another way, Chicago's #24 @ 740 pts is just over half of Detroit's #8 @ 1400 pts.

IMO that would be so stupid it casts the whole thing in doubt including the Clowney conversation.
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1 would take the 1.8 for Clowney if that's a true offer...I hope the Texans don't get cute or greedy and make it work if that is what they want to do. I think the 2nd that the Bears received is for 2020
 
Wait a minute. I'm confused.
This article sez.....
Oakland will get first-round selections in 2019 and 2020, a sixth-rounder next year and a third-rounder in 2020. Oakland also included its second-round selection in 2020 and a conditional fifth-rounder that year.​

The way I read that is Oakland RECEIVED two 1st's (2019, 2020), a 2nd (2020), a 3rd (2020), and maybe a 5th (2020). That's FIVE picks, all but one in the first 3 rds, for one guy.

Yeah, I know "The Chart" downgrades future picks. But when those seasons come up, they will be useful.

I can't see Clowney commanding that price, but why should Gaine take the first offer thrown his way? Isn't one of the tenets of negotiation "never appear too desperate" :D
 
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ObsiWan said:
Wait a minute. I'm confused.
This article sez.....
Oakland will get first-round selections in 2019 and 2020, a sixth-rounder next year and a third-rounder in 2020. Oakland also included its second-round selection in 2020 and a conditional fifth-rounder that year.​

The way I read that is Oakland gave up two 1st's (2019, 2020), a 2nd (2020), a 3rd (2020), and maybe a 5th (2020). That's FIVE picks, all but one in the first 3 rds, for one guy.

Yeah, I know "The Chart" downgrades future picks. But when those seasons come up, they will be useful.

I can't see Clowney commanding that price, but why should Gaine take the first offer thrown his way? Isn't one of the tenets of negotiation "never appear too desperate" :D
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methinks you got it bass-ackwards. Still works out to not as much as it seemed at first glimpse
 
zshawn10 said:
I am not sure what link or picture he's talking about though; I don't know where he got it from
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I was talking about the report from Pat stating that the Texans turned down 1.8 for Clowney
 
ObsiWan said:
Wait a minute. I'm confused.
This article sez.....
Oakland will get first-round selections in 2019 and 2020, a sixth-rounder next year and a third-rounder in 2020. Oakland also included its second-round selection in 2020 and a conditional fifth-rounder that year.​

The way I read that is Oakland RECEIVED two 1st's (2019, 2020), a 2nd (2020), a 3rd (2020), and maybe a 5th (2020). That's FIVE picks, all but one in the first 3 rds, for one guy.

Yeah, I know "The Chart" downgrades future picks. But when those seasons come up, they will be useful.

I can't see Clowney commanding that price, but why should Gaine take the first offer thrown his way? Isn't one of the tenets of negotiation "never appear too desperate" :D
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The Bears gave Oakland first-round picks in 2019 and 2020, a third-round pick in 2020 and a sixth-round pick in 2019. Oakland gave the Bears Khalil Mack, a second-round pick in 2020 and a conditional fifth-round pick in 2020.
 
zshawn10 said:
I know; it came up as an image but when you tried to put it on here, the image was broken
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It showed up for me.

So for others, the guy who said he talked to Clowney and no talks were ongoing also said both the Bills & Lions had offered their 1st, so 1.8 Lions & 1.9 Bills.
 
infantrycak said:
It showed up for me.

So for others, the guy who said he talked to Clowney and no talks were ongoing also said both the Bills & Lions had offered their 1st, so 1.8 Lions & 1.9 Bills.
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Yea that was the image I shared but I couldn't make out the image in which Gaine had turned down 1.8 for Clowney
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
The Bears gave Oakland first-round picks in 2019 and 2020, a third-round pick in 2020 and a sixth-round pick in 2019. Oakland gave the Bears Khalil Mack, a second-round pick in 2020 and a conditional fifth-round pick in 2020.
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makes sense the way you said it. :tiphat:
 
If true that both the Lions and Bills offered their picks then no problem with Gaine turning down the Lions offer. Play them against each other and try to get an extra pick out of it.

If only the Lions are interested then yeah pretty dumb to turn down what is likely, by far, your best offer.
 
WolverineFan said:
If true that both the Lions and Bills offered their picks then no problem with Gaine turning down the Lions offer. Play them against each other and try to get an extra pick out of it.

If only the Lions are interested then yeah pretty dumb to turn down what is likely, by far, your best offer.
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The Lions are higher. You tell the Bills to sweeten. That conversation lasts as long as it takes them to say no or Gaine to say "you have 1 hour to decide." Then you accept the Lions.

On a side note, tons of people mocking Dillard falling to the Texans @ 23.
 
infantrycak said:
The Lions are higher. You tell the Bills to sweeten. That conversation lasts as long as it takes them to say no or Gaine to say "you have 1 hour to decide." Then you accept the Lions.

On a side note, tons of people mocking Dillard falling to the Texans @ 23.
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I'd be shocked if Dillard fell to 23. The Panthers have been all over him during the pre-draft process. IMO Dillard, Taylor, and Williams will all be gone by #18. We will need to trade up to get any of them.

Jets need an OT and want to trade back from #3. If they do trade back then they could target an OT. Giants need an OT and have two top-17 picks. Jags need an OT at #7. Bengals need an OT at #11. Panthers and Vikings need OT's at #16 and #18.

If we want one of the top guys we will need to make a move for him. I don't see any way one of those 3 drop to us and the drop-off from those guys to the next tier is pretty big. I put Ford, Bradbury, and Lindstrom in that top group as well but they're all interior guys.
 
WolverineFan said:
I'd be shocked if Dillard fell to 23. The Panthers have been all over him during the pre-draft process. IMO Dillard, Taylor, and Williams will all be gone by #18. We will need to trade up to get any of them.

Jets need an OT and want to trade back from #3. If they do trade back then they could target an OT. Giants need an OT and have two top-17 picks. Jags need an OT at #7. Bengals need an OT at #11. Panthers and Vikings need OT's at #16 and #18.

If we want one of the top guys we will need to make a move for him. I don't see any way one of those 3 drop to us and the drop-off from those guys to the next tier is pretty big. I put Ford, Bradbury, and Lindstrom in that top group as well but they're all interior guys.
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What do you think about Little at 23?

His feet look kinda awkward and he didn't test well at the combine. But he held up very well in the SEC.

Would you be willing to trade up to say 15 using a 2nd to get one of the top 2 LT's
 
steelbtexan said:
What do you think about Little at 23?

His feet look kinda awkward and he didn't test well at the combine. But he held up very well in the SEC.

Would you be willing to trade up to say 15 using a 2nd to get one of the top 2 LT's
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I dunno but would you like rookie Little playing LT for us this Fall better than Davenport ?
And BTW isn't tape always more important than glorified calisthenics in gym shorts ?
 
IDEXAN said:
I dunno but would you like rookie Little playing LT for us this Fall better than Davenport ?
And BTW isn't tape always more important than glorified calisthenics in gym shorts ?
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Yes,

True, but it's still something to worry about.

Like I said, he held up well in the SEC.
 
I'll stick with my initial projection on Clowney. He could bring a RD1 and a RD4 in this draft. If the Texans were to get anything else with that package would be nice. What I didn't count on.....Lions and Bills would be the teams showing interest and initial offers including their RD1-8 or 9 respectfully.

It appears, Gaine is going to try and get Clowney traded. If the Lions and Bills want to up their offers for Clowney's services.....it could get interesting. A RD4 pick could be either 9 (112) or 10 (113) and/or the Bills 2nd RD4 pick 29 (132).

Bigger question....if this type of deal were to happen and for sake of conversation it's the Bills, should the Texans take a LT at RD1-09 (1350) or should they trade back to secure additional picks and still be in a position to say......draft Dillard? What if Gruden and the Raiders wanted to play ball and offered their RD1-24 (740), RD2-03 (550) and RD4-04 (84) or RD5-02 (35.5)......They could go both RD1-24 & 27 picks (1420) if there was a big desire to move into the 9 spot.

Texans could take care of a few needs with the 23rd, 24th and 27th picks in RD1.....not to mention they'd still possess their two RD2 picks.
 
Texans going BPA?

Here's Patdstat from today:

patrick‏Verified account@PatDStat
Draft thought. Ear marking postions for particual round is a terrible exerice. Example. The #Texans have to draft an offensive tackle in the first round.

8:32 AM - 9 Apr 2019

Here's the "insider" from Clutchfans:

Be prepared for the idea that the Texans are looking at best player available in round 1. Yes they will take into account their needs but this draft is loaded with defensive line talent at the top.

Do not be surprised if that is the direction they go with in round 1. Their non commitment with Clowney thus far makes this even more probable that they are looking at all possibilities in the first 2 rounds. This wouldnt be my strategy after round 1 but I am a firm believer that the leadership on this team is lacking in understanding how to build a good roster. Theyve put themselves in a corner where talent wise they need tackles and corners but they dont realize just how much yet.

The level of narcissism and inability to learn from criticism in this front office and coaching staff is astounding and will be their eventual downfall. Sorry, I know these posts always end negatively, there is just so much that goes on with this team that the common fan has no privey to that would make you seriously doubt their ability to ever attain relevance.

Maybe the old blind squirrel adage can help you find solace?
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http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php?threads/2019-draft-thread.295295/page-38
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I'll stick with my initial projection on Clowney. He could bring a RD1 and a RD4 in this draft. If the Texans were to get anything else with that package would be nice. What I didn't count on.....Lions and Bills would be the teams showing interest and initial offers including their RD1-8 or 9 respectfully.

It appears, Gaine is going to try and get Clowney traded. If the Lions and Bills want to up their offers for Clowney's services.....it could get interesting. A RD4 pick could be either 9 (112) or 10 (113) and/or the Bills 2nd RD4 pick 29 (132).

Bigger question....if this type of deal were to happen and for sake of conversation it's the Bills, should the Texans take a LT at RD1-09 (1350) or should they trade back to secure additional picks and still be in a position to say......draft Dillard? What if Gruden and the Raiders wanted to play ball and offered their RD1-24 (740), RD2-03 (550) and RD4-04 (84) or RD5-02 (35.5)......They could go both RD1-24 & 27 picks (1420) if there was a big desire to move into the 9 spot.

Texans could take care of a few needs with the 23rd, 24th and 27th picks in RD1.....not to mention they'd still possess their two RD2 picks.
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"If the Lions and Bills want to up their offers for Clowney's services"
I dunno but unless I misunderstand you that sounds like an allegation that there's already a couple outstanding offers on the table for Clowney ?
 
IDEXAN said:
"If the Lions and Bills want to up their offers for Clowney's services"
I dunno but unless I misunderstand you that sounds like an allegation that there's already a couple outstanding offers on the table for Clowney ?
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There is a report the Lions 1.8 & Bills 1.9 have offered their 1sts for Clowney.
 
One thing that could really surprise the folks on this Forum might be the final make up of the Texans in-house double-top-secret draft board. It may be right-on or be full of misjudgements. Whichever, that's what they'll go by. On their Board, I'd like to see them use a blended Biggest Need / Best Player Available approach. Initially, with a lot of extra weight given to offensive linemen and then to DBs, go with whoever has the highest rating on their Board in rounds 1 & 2. As so many have said in other posts, keeping the franchise QB healthy & upright is much more important this year than having a great defensive backfield this season.
We also have to remember that Gaine doesn't work in a vacuum. He's largely dependent on the scouts and guys giving him their thoughts and research. As time goes on, he'll be getting a much better idea about who to listen to & trust, and who to replace. That takes time... unfortunately.
 
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zshawn10 said:
Texans going BPA?

Here's Patdstat from today:

patrick‏Verified account@PatDStat
Draft thought. Ear marking postions for particual round is a terrible exerice. Example. The #Texans have to draft an offensive tackle in the first round.

8:32 AM - 9 Apr 2019

Here's the "insider" from Clutchfans:



http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php?threads/2019-draft-thread.295295/page-38
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Clutchfans has some pretty harsh criticism for the Texans management, most of it directed at the HC. But the stupidest HC this town ever saw was Bill Peterson. On a penalty he once took a FG off the scoreboard to try for a TD. He tried it with a fake FG and expected to fool somebody!!
 
Seegara said:
Clutchfans has some pretty harsh criticism for the Texans management, most of it directed at the HC. But the stupidest HC this town ever saw was Bill Peterson. On a penalty he once took a FG off the scoreboard to try for a TD. He tried it with a fake FG and expected to fool somebody!!
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Hugh Canpbell disputes this
 
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