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2019 Texans free agency

CloakNNNdagger said:
Jordan Mills has been an example of consistency, as he’s played over 1,000 snaps in each of the past three seasons, making him one of only seven tackles to do so. He is still only 28 years old, but he has never surpassed his career-high 62.7 overall grade, which came in his final season with the Chicago Bears. At this point in his career, Mills has proven that he can be a stable backup offensive lineman in this league but not a quality starter for a team.PFF

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Last year, PFF ranked him 70th of OTs with a 56 rating.

BTW, he has only had knick knack injuries since his rookie year in 2014 when he required surgery for a Jones (5th metatarsal) fracture.
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If this was golf we'd be killing it !
 
thunderkyss said:
He's still on his rookie deal. He's good (I think) not best RB in the league where his 2nd contract should be unthinkable.

& I believe he's been healthy.

What really sux about this is the Texans either weren't looking to upgrade the position or didn't know he was available.

Neither is a situation I think we should be in.
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Of all of the free agent signings the Texans missed out on, this one hurts the most. A productive RB better than any RB on our roster and he was cheap.
 
It so hard to know what was actually missed and what was never offered. We read that a trade or deal was made and always assume that the deal was open to everyone and that it was up to the first one that offered. I'm not excusing them but I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. If the Texans just flat out missed this deal and it was on the table for anyone then yeah that was a big miss and shows a root problem in the org. When thinking about that though I have to wonder how all the other teams missed it to. We aren't the only one that could use an upgrade at RB so how did it slip past every ones, except for Philly's, notice?
 
maverick512000 said:
It so hard to know what was actually missed and what was never offered. We read that a trade or deal was made and always assume that the deal was open to everyone and that it was up to the first one that offered. I'm not excusing them but I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. If the Texans just flat out missed this deal and it was on the table for anyone then yeah that was a big miss and shows a root problem in the org. When thinking about that though I have to wonder how all the other teams missed it to. We aren't the only one that could use an upgrade at RB so how did it slip past every ones, except for Philly's, notice?
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I seriously don't know how they could miss trade opportunities like this, it was being reported that CHI was looking to move the RB for a while. I would think gms have this info before reporters.
 
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So if we have a healthy Foreman, Lamar Miller, and Jordan Howard on our roster... how do you divvy up the carries? If Foreman is healthy, then I want Foreman getting the bulk of carries with Miller being more of a traditional 3rd down back. Then that means we paid 2mil + 6th round pick for a special teamer.

Also, for those of you that hate the constant runs between the tackles that BOB calls, then you should be happy we didn't get Howard.
 
dream_team said:
So if we have a healthy Foreman, Lamar Miller, and Jordan Howard on our roster... how do you divvy up the carries? If Foreman is healthy, then I want Foreman getting the bulk of carries with Miller being more of a traditional 3rd down back. Then that means we paid 2mil + 6th round pick for a special teamer.
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Why in the world would you expect Foreman to be better than Howard?

Also, for those of you that hate the constant runs between the tackles that BOB calls, then you should be happy we didn't get Howard.
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The problem isn't that there are so many runs up the middle. It's that they are overly predictable, ineffective & with an ill-suited RB.
 
I was hoping they could land Mark Ingram.
Hard runner suited to Bob's up the gut run play addiction
IIRC he was a decent value contract wise
 
dream_team said:
TBH, I’m not a Jordan Howard fan. I like Foreman better because he has the speed for big plays, while I think Howard does not. I even rate Foreman as a better receiver.
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You're acting like they are draft prospects. Neither is who they were coming out. Foreman was faster. He has since sustained an horrible injury for a RB. Meanwhile Howard has proven himself in the NFL including busting off a number of long runs, having a nose for the EZ, rarely fumbling & receiving well.
 
Texansphan said:
Tells me they are happy with Forman's rehab.
Doesn't mean they won't look for an upgrade in the draft.
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Foreman was on the radio the other day and he was talking about how him and OB weren’t on the same page because he didn’t feel he was putting in enough work.

Foreman gave the mature answer and acknowledged that he wasn’t and that he has learned he needs to do more and take the game more seriously.

I would keep him around but I’d draft and make moves as if he wasn’t there. Or wa going to be rb3 at best. If he’s better than that, bonus territory.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Foreman was on the radio the other day and he was talking about how him and OB weren’t on the same page because he didn’t feel he was putting in enough work.

Foreman gave the mature answer and acknowledged that he wasn’t and that he has learned he needs to do more and take the game more seriously.

I would keep him around but I’d draft and make moves as if he wasn’t there. Or wa going to be rb3 at best. If he’s better than that, bonus territory.
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I wouldn't like to draft a RB at the expense of a good olineman though.
I feel if we can get even one road grading lineman, the offense could begin to look like it should.
 
Texansphan said:
I wouldn't like to draft a RB at the expense of a good olineman though.
I feel if we can get even one road grading lineman, the offense could begin to look like it should.
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Got a nice RB in mind for RD5 or later. Check out Bruce Anderson, North Dakota State. Another poster turned me onto this athlete. He'd be a solid late round pick. A Foreman and Miller type of RB rolled onto one.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Got a nice RB in mind for RD5 or later. Check out Bruce Anderson, North Dakota State. Another poster turned me onto this athlete. He's a solid pick in RD5 or later. A Foreman and Miller type of RB rolled onto one.
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Yep, sniffed him out a few weeks ago.
Ex WR turned RB.
I think he has potential to be very good - just needs to learn some technique on his blocking and he will be the complete back.
His stocks are rising fast so he may have to be taken with our 5th rounder to get him.
Steelbtexan put me onto Devin Ozigbo - who also looks like decent late round value.
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
Got a nice RB in mind for RD5 or later. Check out Bruce Anderson, North Dakota State. Another poster turned me onto this athlete. He's a solid pick in RD5 or later. A Foreman and Miller type of RB rolled onto one.
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Yep, sniffed him out a few weeks ago.
Ex WR turned RB.
I think he has potential to be very good - just needs to learn some technique on his blocking and he will be the complete back.
His stocks are rising fast so he may have to be taken with our 5th rounder to get him.
steelbtexan also put me onto Devin Ozigbo - who also looks like decent late round value.
 
michaelm said:
I was hoping they could land Mark Ingram.
Hard runner suited to Bob's up the gut run play addiction
IIRC he was a decent value contract wise
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The Texans dont spend $$$$ in FA.

They're all about the draft.

Next offseason when they have the most cap space in the NFL and a guy like Ingram comes along dont expect them to sign him. It's not the Texans worthy way. But hey, they're on their way to the cap savings AFCCG so I guess fans should buy in to they are doing every thing they can to put the best product on the field possible.
 
steelbtexan said:
The Texans dont spend $$$$ in FA.

They're all about the draft.

Next offseason when they have the most cap space in the NFL and a guy like Ingram comes along dont expect them to sign him. It's not the Texans worthy way. But hey, they're on their way to the cap savings AFCCG so I guess fans should buy in to they are doing every thing they can to put the best product on the field possible.
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Disappointed much?
 
steelbtexan said:
The Texans dont spend $$$$ in FA.

They're all about the draft.

Next offseason when they have the most cap space in the NFL and a guy like Ingram comes along dont expect them to sign him. It's not the Texans worthy way. But hey, they're on their way to the cap savings AFCCG so I guess fans should buy in to they are doing every thing they can to put the best product on the field possible.
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They have tried to spend the money, unfortunately the other parties went elsewhere. It was said that we offered Solders the same amount as the Giants. And I'm pretty sure the offer to Brown was a substantial amount .
 
I didn’t see many (any?) people on this board pining for Howard in a Texans uniform but now he’s “another one that got away “.

The NFL is a passing and running back by committee league. I believe the Texans can find their 3rd running back somewhere between rounds 3 and 5. But it really won’t matter until they solidify the offensive line.
 
banned1976 said:
I didn’t see many (any?) people on this board pining for Howard in a Texans uniform but now he’s “another one that got away “.

The NFL is a passing and running back by committee league. I believe the Texans can find their 3rd running back somewhere between rounds 3 and 5. But it really won’t matter until they solidify the offensive line.
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Well...

I think the RBBC is overrated/overstated. It's largely because teams haven't found "the guy." And even then one back gets the great majority of carries.

I think the Texans need a new #1 RB and have been saying the Texans should take a RB in the top 3 rounds.

Then Howard gets traded for the equivalent of a 7th this year. A proven RB for a throw away pick. Of course we should have out bid the Eagles.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Got a nice RB in mind for RD5 or later. Check out Bruce Anderson, North Dakota State. Another poster turned me onto this athlete. He's a solid pick in RD5 or later. A Foreman and Miller type of RB rolled onto one.
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Yep, sniffed him out a few weeks ago.
Ex WR turned RB.
I think he has potential to be very good - just needs to learn some technique on his blocking and he will be the complete back.
His stocks are rising fast so he may have to be taken with our 5th rounder to get him.
steelbtexan also put me onto Devin Ozigbo - who also looks like decent late round value.
OptimisticTexan said:
Got a nice RB in mind for RD5 or later. Check out Bruce Anderson, North Dakota State. Another poster turned me onto this athlete. He'd be a solid late round pick. A Foreman and Miller type of RB rolled onto one.
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Looks like his secret is well and truly out - Chicago is eyeing him.
 
Toro Bravo said:
Of all of the free agent signings the Texans missed out on, this one hurts the most. A productive RB better than any RB on our roster and he was cheap.
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Just to be clear, this was a trade.

Of all the offseason dealings, this one hurts the most.

We gave up a 4th round pick from the current draft to bring Demaryius Thomas in with the hope of signing a long term deal.

Jordan Howard was got for a 6th round pick in next year's draft. How could the Texans not see value in that?
 
dream_team said:
So if we have a healthy Foreman, Lamar Miller, and Jordan Howard on our roster... how do you divvy up the carries? If Foreman is healthy, then I want Foreman getting the bulk of carries with Miller being more of a traditional 3rd down back. Then that means we paid 2mil + 6th round pick for a special teamer.

Also, for those of you that hate the constant runs between the tackles that BOB calls, then you should be happy we didn't get Howard.
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I think JH is a downhill between the tackles runner, more so than Lamar Miller.

Regardless with all three healthy, the most carries should go to the most productive.

& I don't trust the Texans medical staff. Until I see Foreman bowling dudes over, I'd be very pleased going into camp & the season with Miller & Howard competing.

Do I trust BO'b to decide who gets the most carries or which plays are better suited for which RB, no. But that would just build my case.
 
banned1976 said:
I didn’t see many (any?) people on this board pining for Howard in a Texans uniform but now he’s “another one that got away “.

The NFL is a passing and running back by committee league. I believe the Texans can find their 3rd running back somewhere between rounds 3 and 5. But it really won’t matter until they solidify the offensive line.
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I am betting that if I go to 29 other message boards that there is at least one poster claiming the same thing for his team. A future 6th round pick for a 24 year old "starting" RB appears to be silly cheap. In fact, almost too cheap. to the point even if a team doesn't need Howard, they make this trade anyway.
 
thunderkyss said:
Just to be clear, this was a trade.

Of all the offseason dealings, this one hurts the most.

We gave up a 4th round pick from the current draft to bring Demaryius Thomas in with the hope of signing a long term deal.

Jordan Howard was got for a 6th round pick in next year's draft. How could the Texans not see value in that?
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So the question is, did 29 other teams pass on the opportunity? Or was the opportunity never available to them to begin with.

I can’t believe the Texans just decided “nah, a 6th round pick is too high for Howard”.
 
banned1976 said:
So the question is, did 29 other teams pass on the opportunity? Or was the opportunity never available to them to begin with.

I can’t believe the Texans just decided “nah, a 6th round pick is too high for Howard”.
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Yeah, I'm pissed the other 29 teams missed out on the deal too. On the "29 other teams" message board I'm making the same argument. On this board, you're only going to see my Texans rant.

But "rumor" is the Bears were looking to move him. It's also apparent they value Cohen more.

Like I said earlier, either the Texans didn't see the need or didn't know he was available. Either way I'm upset.

This is the time to throw off the wall scenarios out there & see if you get a bite, "Hey Mayock, I'll give you a 7th round pick three drafts from now for your starting Centee.... what? Not interested? Well, who are you trying to move?"
 
infantrycak said:
You're acting like they are draft prospects. Neither is who they were coming out. Foreman was faster. He has since sustained an horrible injury for a RB. Meanwhile Howard has proven himself in the NFL including busting off a number of long runs, having a nose for the EZ, rarely fumbling & receiving well.
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No he hasn't. He has sustained a horrible injury. I'm with you on the part I haven't underlined.
 
I see RB starter one of second rounds or the third. I still like Damien Harris three season great productivity while sharing snaps.

Davenport starter barring getting Jonah Williams and even then JW might end up RT.
A 2020 5th and it will be would've been good deal but if most here are wrong and D is the guy, our 2019 picks should settle roster into very good one. If so, a 5th in 2020 could be used to trade up to get BPAs. Let's remember we are up 3 on FAs bringing three possible third comps for Covington, Badger and Jackson who should all start and have good 2019. Imagine 6 picks top 100.

If I'm correct on D it's possible a Leveon Bell type Harris and a power back TD maker like Benny Snell in third.

1.23 CB Andreas Williams franchise type shutdown corner zone or man.
2.54 RB Harris
2.55 CB Love 'the Glove'
3.86 RB pounder Snell
5 OT Tytus Howard
 
banned1976 said:
So the question is, did 29 other teams pass on the opportunity? Or was the opportunity never available to them to begin with.

I can’t believe the Texans just decided “nah, a 6th round pick is too high for Howard”.
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Some orgs that are trying to win Lombardi"s make these moves.

The Texans org not so much.

Philly wins a SB 2 years ago. Suffers injuries last year and are trying to reload for this year.

The Texans not so much.
 
banned1976 said:
So the question is, did 29 other teams pass on the opportunity? Or was the opportunity never available to them to begin with.

I can’t believe the Texans just decided “nah, a 6th round pick is too high for Howard”.
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Some orgs that are trying to win Lombardi"s make these moves.

The Texans org not so much.

Philly wins a SB 2 years ago. Suffers injuries last year and are trying to reload for this year.

The Texans not so much.
 
Texansphan said:
Yep, sniffed him out a few weeks ago.
Ex WR turned RB.
I think he has potential to be very good - just needs to learn some technique on his blocking and he will be the complete back.
His stocks are rising fast so he may have to be taken with our 5th rounder to get him.
steelbtexan also put me onto Devin Ozigbo - who also looks like decent late round value.
Looks like his secret is well and truly out - Chicago is eyeing him.
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Did you tag the wrong video b/c they never mentioned RB's in the draft?
 
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If the Texans pass on a RB early in the draft, these are my late round options:

Ryquell Armstead- Temple: 5-11 @ 220 lbs / Hands 9 1/8" / Arms 30 5/8" / 4.45-40 / Bench 22 / 3 Cone 7.02 / 20 Yd Shuttle 4.29

Qadree Ollison- Pitt: 6-1 @ 228 lbs / Hands 9 5/8" / Arms 31 1/2" / 4.58-40 / Bench 19 / 3 Cone 7.53 / 20 Yd Shuttle 4.31

And I've already mentioned Bruce Anderson of North Dakota State. I think any of these three backs could be a solid complimentary RB with Foreman and Miller and they possess the ability to handle Pass Pro work.
 
banned1976 said:
I didn’t see many (any?) people on this board pining for Howard in a Texans uniform but now he’s “another one that got away “.

The NFL is a passing and running back by committee league. I believe the Texans can find their 3rd running back somewhere between rounds 3 and 5. But it really won’t matter until they solidify the offensive line.
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I mentioned wanting him a month or two ago. I'm pretty bummed about the Texans not getting him.
 
badboy said:
Let's remember we are up 3 on FAs bringing three possible third comps for Covington, Badger and Jackson who should all start and have good 2019.
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We signed Roby, Boddy-Calhoun, Gipson, & Kalil...

I don't think we're getting compensatory picks.
 
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steelbtexan said:
Some orgs that are trying to win Lombardi"s make these moves.

The Texans org not so much.

Philly wins a SB 2 years ago. Suffers injuries last year and are trying to reload for this year.

The Texans not so much.
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If I felt the Texans didn’t care about winning it all, there wouldn’t be a chance I would give them the effort of one keystroke. I’m really not sure why you, TK and many others even bother with them.

I’m a skeptic too when it comes to personnel decisions and mode of operations but I at least wait until I see the product on the field before I throw in the towel.
 
banned1976 said:
If I felt the Texans didn’t care about winning it all, there wouldn’t be a chance I would give them the effort of one keystroke. I’m really not sure why you, TK and many others even bother with them.

I’m a skeptic too when it comes to personnel decisions and mode of operations but I at least wait until I see the product on the field before I throw in the towel.
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I've said many times I want to see what happens in the draft before I make a prediction on how next year's team is going to do.

And yes, I missed 2 games last year. I had other things to do. So my interest level isn't what it used to be.

I do like the draft stuff though.

But thanks for telling me what I should be doing with my time and how I should be feeling.

You don't care for the truth much do you?
 
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