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2019 Texans free agency

thunderkyss said:

This might be Gaine's poison pill.

Contract is perfect for Kalil & where he is in his career. From here on out we'll see how Bill builds his roster. Whether Gaine gets him better talent or not, Kalil's spot on the 46 man roster should be weighed against his affect on the salary cap.

If he sucks but starts that should show Cal BO'b has no business making roster decisions.

If he sucks, doesn't start but makes the 46 that should show Cal BO'b has no business making roster decisions.

Only way Kalil should make the 53 man roster is if he can play at a $7.5M level. That's now for BO'b to decide. Apart from Gaine's evaluation. Signing him, Gaine is saying it's possible, but due to injury & his medical history it's possible he may not. We need to see him in camp to further evaluate.

& that's BO'bs job. Whether he believe it or not.
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Let's also remember that Gaine has to get the guys the coaches want. And notice the difference between defense and offense.

Defense: healthy, young, have upside with a few issues Crennel can correct.

Offense: old, broken, washed up, but they can play multiple positions! Is a veteran and a high character guy! That's O'Brien for you.
 
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maverick512000 said:
Maybe I'm looking at this wrong but I don't understand why people are upset by this contract, this is a very team friendly contract. He only makes the full 7.5 million if he stays healthy and plays all season and if he can do that he was worth it. Did everyone miss where it says that he is being paid per game so if he goes down in game one all we are out is 1.5 base salary and then I guess the 2.25 signing bonus? That's insanely cheap and well worth the risk especially considering how much cap space we currently have. Hell that's worth the money just to have him in the locker room being a mentor for some young gun for a year. I was a little iffy on this signing but after seeing the details I'm starting to think Gaines is the real deal. What am I missing?
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Well because they're still wasting money. Lol not our money but it's still a waste. They probably should have held onto to that.
 
sandman said:
It's $1.5MM if he can't play.

It's as little as $5.5MM if he can't play well.

Risky move? Sure. Did it break the FA piggy bank? No.
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Here are the actuals:

https://twitter.com/TexansCap/status/1111085183917350912

Scenarios: 1. Kalil plays all 16 games: $7.5m cash and cap. 2. Kalil stays healthy and active but doesn't play: $7.5m cash and cap. 3. Kalil gets injured in training camp and placed on IR: $3.75m cash and cap. 4. Kalil injured in camp and is released. $2.25m cash and cap + injury settlement amount. 5. Kalil injured during season and goes on IR. Salary rate for healthy games is based on $3.5m and games on IR is based on $1.5m rate.
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Its interesting that some guys would rather throw money away then to actually hold the team :cough Buttching cough: accountable for identifying quality talent. They're still taking advantage of all the Rick Smith guys LOL .. pretty soon the chickens will come home to roost. Donald Penn was the get on the free agent market not Matt "washed up" Kalil. Hell I'd rather entice his brother to come out of retirement than deal with this guy.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Here are the actuals:

https://twitter.com/TexansCap/status/1111085183917350912



Its interesting that some guys would rather throw money away then to actually hold the team :cough Buttching cough: accountable for identifying quality talent. They're still taking advantage of all the Rick Smith guys LOL .. pretty soon the chickens will come home to roost. Donald Penn was the get on the free agent market not Matt "washed up" Kalil. Hell I'd rather entice his brother to come out of retirement than deal with this guy.
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I'm sorry but who is this guy and why does he apparently have knowledge of the contract? Seriously I checked his tweeter and website and near as I can tell he has about as much insight as anyone on this board and less than some.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Well because they're still wasting money. Lol not our money but it's still a waste. They probably should have held onto to that.
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You are basing this on opinion and not on fact. To you its a waste of money because he is washed up. You may very well be right, odds are you are, but that is still an opinion and not fact. If he does last the whole season then it was some of the best money they've ever spent. Is it a gamble, yeah but its one with few long term risks, its not like this is the Blunder of Oz 2.0. I find it funny, people here complain that the Texans don't take any risks or try to improve the team then when they do take a risk and try and improve the team people complain that they are taking a risk. Really is no winning with some.
 
maverick512000 said:
You are basing this on opinion and not on fact. To you its a waste of money because he is washed up. You may very well be right, odds are you are, but that is still an opinion and not fact. If he does last the whole season then it was some of the best money they've ever spent.
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Last is good enough? No, $7.5 mil is stupid money for a backup so he needs to win the starting job for this not to be dumb.

Risk is fine, but the risk here is not just injury, it's poor play. When "healthy" enough to make game day he has sucked the last few years.

maverick512000 said:
Really is no winning with some.
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And apparently anything is good enough for some.
 
infantrycak said:
Last is good enough? No, $7.5 mil is stupid money for a backup so he needs to win the starting job for this not to be dumb.

Risk is fine, but the risk here is not just injury, it's poor play. When "healthy" enough to make game day he has sucked the last few years.



And apparently anything is good enough for some.
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Well they have plenty of $$$$ to waste and signing Kalil made me LOL because it's not my $$$$ they are wasting. If he lasts 7 games as a strarter (Doubtful) then you're paying a little over a mil a game and that's if he's a competent LT (Also doubtful)

Is it worth 1 mil a game to you for Kalil?

Gaine badly needs to find a competent LT in the draft. If he can do this the entire OL will look alot better. Kalil isn't the guy that solves the LT riddle. IMHO
 
infantrycak said:
Last is good enough? No, $7.5 mil is stupid money for a backup so he needs to win the starting job for this not to be dumb.

Risk is fine, but the risk here is not just injury, it's poor play. When "healthy" enough to make game day he has sucked the last few years.
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Did I say pay 7.5 for a backup? I agree if he doesn't get the starting job then cut him. If they don't then that's a whole different argument. Also badger sucked to, maybe not as much but still, and we brought him in then a year later people here are complaining we let him walk. Players tend to play a bit harder when they know this really is their last chance.

infantrycak said:
And apparently anything is good enough for some.
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So what were they suppose to do instead? Overpay the already overpaying raiders and get Brown? They may still sign Donald Penn but even if they do people were complaining about him to.
 
steelbtexan said:
Well they have plenty of $$$$ to waste and signing Kalil made me LOL because it's not my $$$$ they are wasting. If he lasts 7 games as a strarter (Doubtful) then you're paying a little over a mil a game and that's if he's a competent LT (Also doubtful)

Is it worth 1 mil a game to you for Kalil?

Gaine badly needs to find a competent LT in the draft. If he can do this the entire OL will look alot better. Kalil isn't the guy that solves the LT riddle. IMHO
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Where are you getting these numbers? Go back a page and read CnD's post with the break down. He can make 125k per game. The 7.5 is if he lasts the whole season and plays the whole season.
 
maverick512000 said:
You are basing this on opinion and not on fact. To you its a waste of money because he is washed up. You may very well be right, odds are you are, but that is still an opinion and not fact. If he does last the whole season then it was some of the best money they've ever spent. Is it a gamble, yeah but its one with few long term risks, its not like this is the Blunder of Oz 2.0. I find it funny, people here complain that the Texans don't take any risks or try to improve the team then when they do take a risk and try and improve the team people complain that they are taking a risk. Really is no winning with some.
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Those same people will be the first ones who will jump on the bandwagon when/if the team starts winning and slam anyone who is remotely skeptic. Just the way it works, I guess.
 
Does anyone know if Gaine is still using the same medical team of evaluators as his predecessor or new group of doctors to make his decisions?

Would feel lot better if it’s a whole new set of eyes until then let’s support CloakNNNdagger for the gig!

Guys and gals, it’s not rocket science to see what Gaine is attempting to do. Trying to address need via free agency minimizing forcing his hand, bypassing best player available strategy in the draft. Was kinda joking earlier but not really, this is a gamble based upon Kalil medical conditions. Penn would also be based off his Medicals, but at least he’s a proven commodity.

Don’t think it’s a smart plan to go into next season with still so many question marks unanswered. With that said it wouldn’t surprise me if Texans reach in first round for an OT despite these attempts to rectify need going this route via free agency.
 
I wasn't surprised that a highly flawed guy like Kalil was signed...Kalil's contract to indicate that the Texans expect him to be healthy and at least mid-level starting quality for 2019.There some escape clauses there but it appears that Davenport and a draftee(hopefully) are chasing an often injury, not even sure he is any good guy. That's what I am reading into the situation.
 
infantrycak said:
The $125k/per game is on top of signing bonus & base salary.
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Signing bonus is 2.25 and base salary is 3.25 and base is if he isn't on IR. If he is then they are out the 2.25 and then a base of 1.5 for a total of 3.75, that's a very team friendly contract. As I said I agree if he doesn't make it as the starter then they should cut him but that is a separate discussion than just signing him.
 
maverick512000 said:
Where are you getting these numbers? Go back a page and read CnD's post with the break down. He can make 125k per game. The 7.5 is if he lasts the whole season and plays the whole season.
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I was just going off of Caks post and didn't see CnD's post.
 
maverick512000 said:
You are basing this on opinion and not on fact. To you its a waste of money because he is washed up. You may very well be right, odds are you are, but that is still an opinion and not fact. If he does last the whole season then it was some of the best money they've ever spent. Is it a gamble, yeah but its one with few long term risks, its not like this is the Blunder of Oz 2.0. I find it funny, people here complain that the Texans don't take any risks or try to improve the team then when they do take a risk and try and improve the team people complain that they are taking a risk. Really is no winning with some.
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Where in my comment did I say facts? This was another reach type move IMO. Since I have to spell it out lol. They did it with Henderson last offseason. Now this guy. I understand we continue to strike out on the linemen we wanted. But imo they could've just rolled the entire amount offered over to next season. Imo
 
banned1976 said:
Those same people will be the first ones who will jump on the bandwagon when/if the team starts winning and slam anyone who is remotely skeptic. Just the way it works, I guess.
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I've been on the bandwagon since day mutha freakn one. Jokers be killing me with this type of asinine response. We went 11-5 last season and you can best believe I probably cheered the loudest on here. Especially during the 9 game winning streak. So please stop with the bandwagon chatter.
 
Texansballer74 said:
I've been on the bandwagon since day mutha freakn one. Jokers be killing me with this type of asinine response. We went 11-5 last season and you can best believe I probably cheered the loudest on here. Especially during the 9 game winning streak. So please stop with the bandwagon chatter.
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Agree. 11-5 with the multitude of problems this team had last year was a surprise.
It irks me when I see people say Yeah but they had the easiest of schedules...forgetting they had some of the worst hurdles.
Those problems get resolved this coming season and Texans could have another good season.
Worst hurdle they will have will be winning the division this go round.
 
JB said:
It was about ethnicity until you made the racist comment 'their white so of course it's bland' as if white folks couldn't season their food with more than salt. Don't want to get into that whole argument again with someone as ignorant as you. Obviously you have never enjoyed cajun or southern soul food cooked by whites. So sad you equate skin color with taste... but that's who you are I reckon. Want some jasmine rice with your crow?
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I don't need any crow, I am not the one proven to be posting lies. You need to ditch your new sig, it just makes you a hypocrite.

Talk about ignorant - just because your momma cooked some soul food, that doesn't turn it into "white cuisine". But I guess that's what you have to tell your homies to keep your good standing at the KKK.
 
Fred said:
I don't need any crow, I am not the one proven to be posting lies. You need to ditch your new sig, it just makes you a hypocrite.

Talk about ignorant - just because your momma cooked some soul food, that doesn't turn it into "white cuisine". But I guess that's what you have to tell your homies to keep your good standing at the KKK.
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I never said it was "white cuisine". You said whites can only cook bland food
 
Uncle Rico said:
Here are the actuals:

https://twitter.com/TexansCap/status/1111085183917350912



Its interesting that some guys would rather throw money away then to actually hold the team :cough Buttching cough: accountable for identifying quality talent. They're still taking advantage of all the Rick Smith guys LOL .. pretty soon the chickens will come home to roost. Donald Penn was the get on the free agent market not Matt "washed up" Kalil. Hell I'd rather entice his brother to come out of retirement than deal with this guy.
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I'm one of the guys who likes the Kalil contract. Not overly excited that he's the one we got. Far as I can tell our GM/HC (we) went after Brown, then Penn. Then instead of waiting on Penn (has he signed anywhere yet?) They moved on to plan C.

I see nothing wrong with that. I expect the GM (with input from coaches) to put a dollar value on players & stick to it.
 
steelbtexan said:
Kalil made me LOL because it's not my $$$$ they are wasting. If he lasts 7 games as a strarter (Doubtful) then you're paying a little over a mil a game and that's if he's a competent LT (Also doubtful)

Is it worth 1 mil a game to you for Kalil?
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Just my opinion but again the only way he makes 1 mil a game & suck is if BO'b screws the pooch in TC.

When has that ever happened?
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm one of the guys who likes the Kalil contract. Not overly excited that he's the one we got. Far as I can tell our GM/HC (we) went after Brown, then Penn. Then instead of waiting on Penn (has he signed anywhere yet?) They moved on to plan C.

I see nothing wrong with that. I expect the GM (with input from coaches) to put a dollar value on players & stick to it.
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FYI...........he remains a FA.
 
I heard on the radio today (610 am) that Raiders structured the Trent Brown deal with all guaranteed money first two years. Frustrating Texans didn’t make similar offer that would have allowed room to cut or restructure when DW4 is up for renewal if Brown underperformed.

This draft will tell us a lot of what Gaine thinks of this team... and I reckon he must really like some of the OL available given the choices made in free agency.
 
TheRealJoker said:
I heard on the radio today (610 am) that Raiders structured the Trent Brown deal with all guaranteed money first two years. Frustrating Texans didn’t make similar offer that would have allowed room to cut or restructure when DW4 is up for renewal if Brown underperformed.

This draft will tell us a lot of what Gaine thinks of this team... and I reckon he must really like some of the OL available given the choices made in free agency.
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Gaine has signed or drafted 5 of the top 8 of linemen on the squad...Henderson, Kalil, Fulton, Kelemete, Rankin Guessing that he saw something in all of these guys to like..pretty much turned that unit over since the end 2017, has not shown a change in results to date.
 
TheRealJoker said:
I heard on the radio today (610 am) that Raiders structured the Trent Brown deal with all guaranteed money first two years. Frustrating Texans didn’t make similar offer that would have allowed room to cut or restructure when DW4 is up for renewal if Brown underperformed.

This draft will tell us a lot of what Gaine thinks of this team... and I reckon he must really like some of the OL available given the choices made in free agency.
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Sort of. His dead cap is $0 after the second year, so there is no cap hit if they cut him, but if they keep him he has a $14-15m cap hit.

So it's an out for them but it's not like he is staying on the team after year 2 for cheap. And if they cut him after 2 years that probably means he wasn't living up to his contract (or injured)
 
thunderkyss said:
Just my opinion but again the only way he makes 1 mil a game & suck is if BO'b screws the pooch in TC.

When has that ever happened?
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I wouldn't blame BOB for that.

That's Gaine, He took an expensive flier.

I dont care for the move but I can understand why he made it.
 
infantrycak said:
Now missing opportunities like that pisses me off.
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Cheapass org.

I think Howard is in his contract yr too.

This tells me RB is a higher priority in the draft than what we think.

Unless Gaine thinks Foreman is going to make it all of the back.
 
mussop said:
What does his contract look like? It better be a horrible contract or I’m with you.
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He's still on his rookie deal. He's good (I think) not best RB in the league where his 2nd contract should be unthinkable.

& I believe he's been healthy.

What really sux about this is the Texans either weren't looking to upgrade the position or didn't know he was available.

Neither is a situation I think we should be in.
 
steelbtexan said:
Cheapass org.

I think Howard is in his contract yr too.

This tells me RB is a higher priority in the draft than what we think.

Unless Gaine thinks Foreman is going to make it all of the back.
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Agreed this signals the Texans are high on Foreman this season. I agree RB will be a priority in the draft to get a speedy more traditional pass catching big play RB threat (Darrell Henderson is my favorite of that mold).
 
TheRealJoker said:
Agreed this signals the Texans are high on Foreman this season. I agree RB will be a priority in the draft to get a speedy more traditional pass catching big play RB threat (Darrell Henderson is my favorite of that mold).
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Bruce Anderson is another they should be interested in. Ex WR turned RB.
Could be another Foster type.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Agreed this signals the Texans are high on Foreman this season. I agree RB will be a priority in the draft to get a speedy more traditional pass catching big play RB threat (Darrell Henderson is my favorite of that mold).
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Give me Darwin Thompson or Ty Johnson if you're looking for that kind of RB later in the draft.
 
Jordan Mills has been an example of consistency, as he’s played over 1,000 snaps in each of the past three seasons, making him one of only seven tackles to do so. He is still only 28 years old, but he has never surpassed his career-high 62.7 overall grade, which came in his final season with the Chicago Bears. At this point in his career, Mills has proven that he can be a stable backup offensive lineman in this league but not a quality starter for a team.PFF

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Last year, PFF ranked him 70th of OTs with a 56 rating.

BTW, he has only had knick knack injuries since his rookie year in 2014 when he required surgery for a Jones (5th metatarsal) fracture.
 
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