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2019 Texans free agency

TheKDog said:
Seantel hasn't played since 2015.
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I get this and this is the reason I want Gaine to draft 2 OT's in the 1st 3 rds.

If Davenport doesn't break Henderson's ankle then I think Henderson could atleast play at the level he did as a rookie RT and that was more than serviceable.
 
steelbtexan said:
I get this and this is the reason I want Gaine to draft 2 OT's in the 1st 3 rds.

If Davenport doesn't break Henderson's ankle then I think Henderson could atleast play at the level he did as a rookie RT and that was more than serviceable.
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Henderson got blown back on that play too. Really don't get any expectation for him from OB/Gaine or fans. Beyond his control but he has shown nothing to be penciled in as starter.
 
infantrycak said:
Henderson got blown back on that play too. Really don't get any expectation for him from OB/Gaine or fans. Beyond his control but he has shown nothing to be penciled in as starter.
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These seem almost like measured steps to cover bases so to speak without really addressing issue (window dressing). There must be real value gained via veteran leadership(even if they can’t contribute on the field) maybe foreshadowing future moves in the draft?
 
beerlover said:
These seem almost like measured steps to cover bases so to speak without really addressing issue (window dressing). There must be real value gained via veteran leadership(even if they can’t contribute on the field) maybe foreshadowing future moves in the draft?
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Veteren leadership from Henderson?

How much do young guys respect older players who have done nothing? Just my experience but holding a youngster up for a time in grade guy leads to multiple leadership problems.

Gonna wait thru the draft and see if there is a strategy.
 
infantrycak said:
Veteren leadership from Henderson?

How much do young guys respect older players who have done nothing? Just my experience but holding a youngster up for a time in grade guy leads to multiple leadership problems.

Gonna wait thru the draft and see if there is a strategy.
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Vets who see themselves earning one more decent check or two or three more good years in the league may not be too keen on mentoring someone who might oust them.
Texans seem to have a philosophy of trying out other teams rejects and bringing in rooks to compete -which has it's merits.
 
Texansphan said:
Vets who see themselves earning one more decent check or two or three more good years in the league may not be too keen on mentoring someone who might oust them.
Texans seem to have a philosophy of trying out other teams rejects and bringing in rooks to compete -which has it's merits.
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I wouldn't call this exclusive to the Texans.
 
infantrycak said:
Henderson got blown back on that play too. Really don't get any expectation for him from OB/Gaine or fans. Beyond his control but he has shown nothing to be penciled in as starter.
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Henderson was where he should've been when forming a pocket.

Even though we disagree, there was still Davenport who was the real issue.

I agree about not penciling him as a starter.
 
JB said:
fine, just don't be surprised. One year contracts are the wave of the future. Core players will get extended contracts, then you'll have players o rookie deals, and finaly fill inn-depth guys on 1 yr/vet min deals. Cap is going up so is avg player sal.

edit: Not good is more than ever before a roster spot
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If the Texans want to use this approach......it could work provided they are draft savants and convince Cal that they must re-negotiate or extend contracts before players reach their FA status. Just follow what the Astros are doing.
 
srrono said:
Oline continuity is very important. You can't build an Oline thru 1yr deals. You have to build a core line then keep them together for as long as possible.
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Unfortunately the Texans initiated (maybe) this process 16 years late. Now it looks like a boat trying to turn on a dime with the motor shut off. Maybe they begin the rebuilding of the OL in earnest with this draft.....we'll just have to wait and see.
 
TheKDog said:
Most good teams didn’t spend. And here’s proof, using Spotrac’s offseason spending tracker for 2019 as our guide:

• Five of the six lightest-spending teams made the playoffs last year, and two of the three lightest spenders played in the Super Bowl. Ten of the 12 playoffs teams from last year are in the bottom 14 in spending thus far. And two of the four in that cluster that didn’t make the playoffs (Atlanta, Carolina) have been in the Super Bowl and made the playoffs multiple times over the last four years.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/03/18/free-agency-spending-cowboys-kyler-murray-tyreek-hill
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Bottom line......those teams had superior coaching staffs. They've taken cast-offs or players on the cheap and somehow made them not only fit their system but excel at a craft in which they were viewed as failures.

Texans past failures began with piss-poor GM's (Casserly and Smith) and coaching staffs in between. Kubiak had a couple of seasons but what happened to the other 14 seasons? I feel like Gaine could be a positive in regards to being the GM.......and this draft will certainly go a long way in cementing his status. OB and his staff need to answer some questions this season or they should be canned. He's had 5 years to set his system in place and have his coaches fully up to speed on how to teach this system to incoming players.....they've failed miserably at this task on the offensive side of the ball......defense as well but not nearly as bad. Had the defense mirrored the Texans offense for the last 5 seasons, the Texans would've given the Browns a run for their money in regards to the top pick in those drafts.
 
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steelbtexan said:
I was actually surprised that Lamm did as well as he did and I thought he improved as the yr went on.

I've got no faith in the Kalil signing. I like him but he's had a serious hip injury and I think he will only be a shell of his former self.
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What are we going to say if Lamm has a Brooks kind of turnaround when he left the Texans? I'd be sharpening the axe for Devlin if I were Gaine or Cal b/c OB isn't willing to make this type of move.
 
beerlover said:
These seem almost like measured steps to cover bases so to speak without really addressing issue (window dressing). There must be real value gained via veteran leadership(even if they can’t contribute on the field) maybe foreshadowing future moves in the draft?
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If we had a history of cutting guys like this due to competitive offseasons I'd feel better about these signings. But chances are they will steer away from better talent because they have it in their minds these guys are starting.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Bottom line......those teams had superior coaching staffs. They've taken cast-offs or players on the cheap and somehow made them not only fit their system but excel at a craft in which they were viewed as failures.

Texans past failures began with piss-poor GM's (Casserly and Smith) and coaching staffs in between. Kubiak had a couple of seasons but what happened to the other 14 seasons? I feel like Gaine could be a positive in regards to being the GM.......and this draft will certainly go a long way in cementing his status. OB and his staff need to answer some questions this season or they should be canned. He's had 5 years to set his system in place and have his coaches fully up to speed on how to teach this system to incoming players.....they've failed miserably at this task on the offensive side of the ball......defense as well but not nearly as bad. Had the defense mirrored the Texans offense for the last 5 seasons, the Texans would've given the Browns a run for their money in regards to the top pick in those drafts.
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In that case the solution is a new coaching staff, not overpaying FAs to compensate for bad coaches.
 
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thunderkyss said:
If we had a history of cutting guys like this due to competitive offseasons I'd feel better about these signings. But chances are they will steer away from better talent because they have it in their minds these guys are starting.
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Gaine’s comments about Rankin point to your last sentence being true. And I liked Rankin as a prospect coming out of draft/think most of his issues last season were due to missing almost entire offseason due to foot surgery.

But he has done nothing to this point to be penciled in as a starter.
 
srrono said:
No, you use both.
If you rely only on draft your throwing away half your options plus unless you have a stock pile of early picks or get very lucky late time is against you. Build a Good Oline thru draft only take 3 drafts at least. I guess Watson can run for his life till then. Then become a Freeagent and leave for a team that cares to protect him.
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And if there is no one in FA worth what their getting? Other than Saffold who is a 39 year old GUARD, questionable he would of made significant improvement to the OL at pass blocking, who is it you guys are upset about us missing out on?
 
mussop said:
And if there is no one in FA worth what their getting? Other than Saffold who is a 39 year old GUARD, questionable he would of made significant improvement to the OL at pass blocking, who is it you guys are upset about us missing out on?
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Nsekhe and Daryl williams.
 
mussop said:
And if there is no one in FA worth what their getting? Other than Saffold who is a 39 year old GUARD, questionable he would of made significant improvement to the OL at pass blocking, who is it you guys are upset about us missing out on?
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We've signed two CBs, a safety, and a LT.

They were in on Saffold maybe still in on Penn but they're sticking to their valuations.

I think the Texans have spoken clearly what they think of this FA season.
 
thunderkyss said:
We've signed two CBs, a safety, and a LT.

They were in on Saffold maybe still in on Penn but they're sticking to their valuations.

I think the Texans have spoken clearly what they think of this FA season.
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The problem isn't strategy or cheapness, it's talent evaluation. O'Brien consistently brings in guys who aren't good
 
mussop said:
And if there is no one in FA worth what their getting? Other than Saffold who is a 39 year old GUARD, questionable he would of made significant improvement to the OL at pass blocking, who is it you guys are upset about us missing out on?
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Trenton Brown may not be the best OT in the league but he would have been light years ahead of what is on the Texans roster.
Signing T.Brown at LT Gives them options in the draft could trade back grab a starting RT or
If drafted a beast LT then move Brown to RT.

Sign J.James at RT then draft a starting LT.

Sign the top FA guard then draft a LT in the 1st round then the best Guard or Center available in the 2nd round at this point the OL 3/5ths rebuilt.

Taking advantage of free agency gives the Texans office endless options.

The point is by slow playing free agency the Texans tie their hands to the draft only. The draft no matter how much the Texans want or target a player there is still some luck involved to get that player. Free agency is just money that can be spent and also be smart deals that have escape plans.
 
srrono said:
Trenton Brown may not be the best OT in the league but he would have been light years ahead of what is on the Texans roster.
Signing T.Brown at LT Gives them options in the draft could trade back grab a starting RT or
If drafted a beast LT then move Brown to RT.

Sign J.James at RT then draft a starting LT.
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I'm not a draftnik but from what I've picked up, there isn't going to be a bonafide (start day 1) LT at 23.

I still don't think that means we should overspend on marginal talent. Remember when we signed exPatriots in the past? The saying was if BB let them go, their best football is behind them.

Yeah, Brown played ok for the Patriots. That's with the best coaching in the league. Here, he'll probably be a more expensive Davenport.

Keep in mind, I don't think it matters what we do as long as Devlin & BO'b are involved. Yes, I believe better talent will help, but I think the upgrade has to be a lot steeper than Trent Brown.
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm not a draftnik but from what I've picked up, there isn't going to be a bonafide (start day 1) LT at 23.

I still don't think that means we should overspend on marginal talent. Remember when we signed exPatriots in the past? The saying was if BB let them go, their best football is behind them.

Yeah, Brown played ok for the Patriots. That's with the best coaching in the league. Here, he'll probably be a more expensive Davenport.

Keep in mind, I don't think it matters what we do as long as Devlin & BO'b are involved. Yes, I believe better talent will help, but I think the upgrade has to be a lot steeper than Trent Brown.
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Brown played well at RT for the 49ers too.

Give me a middle of the road upgrade like Brown over the suckitude that's Davenport even if I have to overpay. Watson being well protected is well worth the $$$$.
 
thunderkyss said:
What's our scheme?



None that fit our scheme.
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The way of no scheme

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thunderkyss said:
I'm not a draftnik but from what I've picked up, there isn't going to be a bonafide (start day 1) LT at 23.

I still don't think that means we should overspend on marginal talent. Remember when we signed exPatriots in the past? The saying was if BB let them go, their best football is behind them.

Yeah, Brown played ok for the Patriots. That's with the best coaching in the league. Here, he'll probably be a more expensive Davenport.

Keep in mind, I don't think it matters what we do as long as Devlin & BO'b are involved. Yes, I believe better talent will help, but I think the upgrade has to be a lot steeper than Trent Brown.
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Better talent or stand pat?
The point is to improve the roster.
Texans do not have the luxury of a down division this year. Every team in our division is improving but not the Texans let's just wait for that perfect unicorn LT to be available in free agency. No the best players in the NFL aren't available that often but you have to improve if not by major leaps then by smaller jumps. Ok let's say there was absolutely no FA player available to improve our OLine.
The Texans couldn't sign a couple DLmen and made our team the obviously most dominant DLine in the NFL. Build a strength, make at least 1 unit on this team the identity.
 
srrono said:
Better talent or stand pat?
The point is to improve the roster.
Texans do not have the luxury of a down division this year. Every team in our division is improving but not the Texans let's just wait for that perfect unicorn LT to be available in free agency. No the best players in the NFL aren't available that often but you have to improve if not by major leaps then by smaller jumps. Ok let's say there was absolutely no FA player available to improve our OLine.
The Texans couldn't sign a couple DLmen and made our team the obviously most dominant DLine in the NFL. Build a strength, make at least 1 unit on this team the identity.
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This should be the philosophy, but it never has been thru 2 different regimes.
 
srrono said:
The point is by slow playing free agency the Texans tie their hands to the draft only. The draft no matter how much the Texans want or target a player there is still some luck involved to get that player. Free agency is just money that can be spent and also be smart deals that have escape plans.
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You realize there will be FA after the draft? And possibly trades?
 
srrono said:
Better talent or stand pat?
The point is to improve the roster.
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Agreed. I don't think you & I agree with how bad the coaching here is. If I'm Gaine I'm not going to lock myself in on a guy like Brown.

I don't believe he'll be better here.

If I'm Gaine I'm trying to think of a way to get some real talent in here & not wasting time or money on a different flavor of bad.
 
Another blue light special. Oh look, this time they put the house brand of peanut butter on sale in aisle 2.

If Jim Crane owned this team, Jeff Luhnow was the GM and AJ Hinch the HC - this team would be a SB contender.

Yes, I know they are baseball people, but Luhnow/Hinch is arguably the best GM/Manager combo in baseball. So I am comparing their relative spots in their respective sport.

The trio of Crane/Luhnow/Hunch is almost inargaubly top 5 in their sport. Meanwhile, I'd argue that the trio of Cal/Gaine/BOB is bottom 5 or close to it. At least bottom 10.

And at the end of the day, that's why the Astros are WS winners and will be WS contenders again this year, and why the Texans are forever stuck in mediocrity and won't sniff a SB anytime soon even with a stud at QB.

Wasting talent seems to be the modus operandi on Fannin.
 
thunderkyss said:
Agreed. I don't think you & I agree with how bad the coaching here is. If I'm Gaine I'm not going to lock myself in on a guy like Brown.

I don't believe he'll be better here.

If I'm Gaine I'm trying to think of a way to get some real talent in here & not wasting time or money on a different flavor of bad.
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OB I think is avg. The main problem with Coach is his staff choices (position coaches)and his refusal to let coordinators be coordinators.
 
O'Brien's biggest problem at Penn State was an inability to develop offensive linemen. He inherited a couple of good ones (Donovan Smith, John Urschel) but he couldn't recruit or develop any others and resorted to trying to swap veteran DL over to OL and train them. This failed too.

He did have to deal with sanctions then and had limited scholarships, but every year that goes by with the Texans it seems that his lack of emphasis on the O-Line at Penn State wasn't because of circumstance, it was a philosophy.
 
WolverineFan said:
O'Brien's biggest problem at Penn State was an inability to develop offensive linemen. He inherited a couple of good ones (Donovan Smith, John Urschel) but he couldn't recruit or develop any others and resorted to trying to swap veteran DL over to OL and train them. This failed too.

He did have to deal with sanctions then and had limited scholarships, but every year that goes by with the Texans it seems that his lack of emphasis on the O-Line at Penn State wasn't because of circumstance, it was a philosophy.
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BOB biggest problem at Penn State was that he only coached two years, there really wasn't enough time to determine if the year good was real versus the year two meh.


Anything else is made up bullspit
 
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