We'll see. If OB has any input on evaluating talent in the draft, we're screwed.
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Are Texans sitting on their hands again?
- Thread starter TripleTap
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There's some optimism for you.
Being a fan the draft is really all we have to hang onto, since they're too cheap to participate in FA.
O'Brien falls in love with scrubs (Strong) and gadget players (Braxton, Ervin) he envisions will be amazing in his offense. Dude has drafted so many receivers who haven't panned out. Basically just Will Fuller has been good. We'll see about Coutee and the two TE's who can't block.
I didn't know BOB was doing the drafting.
He got alot better at it last yr.
Coincidence?
Where is Reid on this list?
O'Brien's offensive free agent moves and trades
2014:
-Dump Owen Daniels
-trade for Mallet
-sign Ryan Fitzpatrick
2015:
-Trade Keenum for a 7th round pick
-Trade Fitzpatrick for a 6th round pick
-Sign Brian Hoyer
-Extend Mallet
-sign Chicken and Shrimp because he ran for 200 yards against the Pats
-sign Nate Washington
-trade a 3rd, a 5th, a 7th and Posey for Jaelen Strong
-Trade a 7th rounder for Chris Clark
-Release Ryan Mallet
-Claim Brian Weeden off waivers
2016:
-Sign Brock Osweiler, Jeff Allen, Tony Bergstrom, Lamar Miller
-Let Brandon Brooks and Ben Jones walk
-Trade a 6th rounder to move up one spot and take Will Fuller (this was actually good)
-Trade a 6th rounder to move up two spots and take Nick Martin
2017:
-Traded Osweiler, a 2nd round pick and a 6th round pick for a 4th round pick (they coul dhave just cut him)
-Traded Duane Brown and a 5th round pick for a 3rd round pick
-Traded a first round pick in 2018 to swap spots and move up to take Deshaun Watson (second good move on this list)
-Re-sign Ryan Griffin
-Release Bergrstrom
-Sign Breno Giacomini
-Sign Bruce ELlington
-Wave Jaelen Strong
-Wave Kendall Lamm
-Sign Kendall Lamm
2018:
-Release Jeff Allen
-Trade a 4th and a 7th for Demaryius Thomas and a 7th round pick.
-Cut Demaryius Thomas
-Extend Mancz
-Waive Ellington
-Waive Ervin
2019:
-???
2014:
-Dump Owen Daniels
-trade for Mallet
-sign Ryan Fitzpatrick
2015:
-Trade Keenum for a 7th round pick
-Trade Fitzpatrick for a 6th round pick
-Sign Brian Hoyer
-Extend Mallet
-sign Chicken and Shrimp because he ran for 200 yards against the Pats
-sign Nate Washington
-trade a 3rd, a 5th, a 7th and Posey for Jaelen Strong
-Trade a 7th rounder for Chris Clark
-Release Ryan Mallet
-Claim Brian Weeden off waivers
2016:
-Sign Brock Osweiler, Jeff Allen, Tony Bergstrom, Lamar Miller
-Let Brandon Brooks and Ben Jones walk
-Trade a 6th rounder to move up one spot and take Will Fuller (this was actually good)
-Trade a 6th rounder to move up two spots and take Nick Martin
2017:
-Traded Osweiler, a 2nd round pick and a 6th round pick for a 4th round pick (they coul dhave just cut him)
-Traded Duane Brown and a 5th round pick for a 3rd round pick
-Traded a first round pick in 2018 to swap spots and move up to take Deshaun Watson (second good move on this list)
-Re-sign Ryan Griffin
-Release Bergrstrom
-Sign Breno Giacomini
-Sign Bruce ELlington
-Wave Jaelen Strong
-Wave Kendall Lamm
-Sign Kendall Lamm
2018:
-Release Jeff Allen
-Trade a 4th and a 7th for Demaryius Thomas and a 7th round pick.
-Cut Demaryius Thomas
-Extend Mancz
-Waive Ellington
-Waive Ervin
2019:
-???
I was listing offense.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
And I asked you wtf did Gaine do to accomplish so much of that? He barely had any draft picks to even have much of an impact and you threw that statement out there like he had built this team for 5 years. Gaine hasn't done jack other than mirror Rick Smith's strategy which is what worried people when we hired him in the first place.
To this day the only true GM the Texans have had is Charlie Casserley. These other two are pretty much useless figure heads with no command. The Mcnairs probably still tell themselves "If only we could be like the Rooneys."
I didn't say anything about the wreck being "deadly"
YOU went there.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Yes, you guys are the most annoying people on the road that cause traffic after the fact when a traffic jam has already started so that you can be a spectator. You need to be kicked in the nuts and you know it.
I don't think the Texans had the cap room to cut Osweiler, his salary was guaranteed. The Browns had the cap room.
The Texans also received a 2nd in 2019 from Seattle in the Brown deal.
You're going to piss off a certain member ( @Thorsson ) with that Weeden gaff.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
The cap room was def. a problem no doubt but they could have done it. It would have been better to just keep him on the bench I thought since they were going to have to pay it any way basically. That was a dumb move though. Losing a 2nd rounder just to rid ourselves of him stung a lot when we've lacked all these draft picks. Big reason why our Online is so poor.
Then they wouldn't have been able to sign any FAs. Not saying they were extremely successful at that. But one 2nd round pick last year wasn't going to save the o-line.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
If they kept him on the bench then he takes up a roster spot and the situation between him and BoB had to be toxic for the locker room and killing morale. Also our Oline sucked long before the OZ deal and really that had little to do with why our line sucks since the Texans, for whatever reason, haven't been investing in it like they should. What makes you think they would have used that second to draft someone for the line? Seems just as likely to me they would have drafted someone else for defense as that seems to be where most of our early round drafts go.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
That is ridiculous to suggest that some shitty backup QB could ruin the entire locker room. No one GAF what Oz had to say at that point any way. If he would have caused a ton of problems with the coach then they send him away at that point, but that's a very easy thing to do. Mallet did exactly what you described, and they did that with him and it was done swiftly and quickly so that excuse carries no water at all.
I'm not here to speculate on what they would have drafted. I'm saying what they could have used the pick for which they needed badly. Losing a 2nd rounder just one season after acquiring a bad QB is horrifically dumb. Its not like they had a SB contending team going into that next season any way, so what was one more season going to matter if we had kept Oz and his salary? Not having that 2nd rounder stung when following up with two straight years without a 1st rounder due to the Watson move. It had to be done, but nothing substantial was done to protect the QB investment which was a guy that already had a bad injury history and was a mobile QB that got hit a lot by playing style alone.
there is no logic in that post.
I don't understand the osweiler comment. If we had him signed we could afford him. Cutting him just opened a little cap room they ended up rolling to the next year.
So now we're back to saying 2nd picks don't have much value? It's that attitude why the team has no depth
Don't keep Osweiler on the bench, cut him
Jadmakaveli
Veteran
Now that I think about it, there really isn't a point in going after players when I keep forgetting BoB can't scheme a offense for SH!T and we'd just end up having someone somewhere they aren't suppose to be.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Sure there is. No one likes a brown noser that causes traffic. You described yourself as that guy.
I'm just jacking with you, but for real guys are really annoying.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Then why should we ever draft? We should just skip offense all together according to your post.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Are you seriously comparing the situation between Mallet and Osweiler? Mallet's contract wasn't even close to what Oz was nor was the situation the same. To make that comparison is, as you say, ridiculous. You say no one cared what Oz was saying but unless you were in that locker or have talked to all the players that were that's just your opinion because you didn't care what he was saying.
Also again one second round pick was not going to matter when almost our entire Oline needed, and still does, replacing. One pick was not going to ultimately help that. Talking about the OZ deal in relation to the Watson move is using hindsight. No one knew when they cut him that they would end up making a move for Watson, if I recall the speculation at the time was still that they were going for Romo.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Might not have saved it, but it could have possibly been a piece that would have helped it a lot or had been something we would have had at our disposal to package in a trade for a good Olineman. The Pats drafted Wynn last season with their first round pick, lost him in camp for the season and were back to square one at OT after losing Soldier to FA. Belicheck starts making calls and trades a reasonable package for Brown from the 49ers who was a barely above average starter and he becomes one of the best OT's in the league for them. Just got paid the best contract ever I think. Gaine could have made that deal possibly, but he isn't a mover and a shaker. Playing in FA isn't always about signing big names or big contracts. It is leveraging your assets around the league to make trades when teams are all trying to make moves, creating cap space so you can spend more for certain players that seem worth it, and finding value at the right times. This is all simply something the Texans put very little participation at. They have always tried to be this mirror image of the Steelers and how they operate, and it's made them extremely vanilla and handicapped them immensely.
Section516
Warrior
One thing to note: Patriots OL coach is top tier, if not the best, top three. Maybe its the TB effect, but top tier scheming/coaching goes into how the players can look. Pre-pats he was overweight and trending down. Post pats is a $ record setting OL. Lets see if he looks like Nate Solder next year.
Our OL coach is ?/32 in the league?
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
I DGAF what OZ's contract was or what Mallet's contract was. You're bringing up something that has nothing to do with the discussion. If your scenario was even true, then your only argument is that OB shouldn't be coaching any NFL locker room if he was so weak that some garbage backup QB that no one respected could tear up an entire locker room a season removed from being the worst starting player on the roster. Since when has that ever happened? Did Sage Rosenfels tear up Kubiak's locker room? Mallet actually caused disturbances, and we DID SEE WHAT HAPPENED. So again, the example fits my argument and closes the door on yours. Oz even pulled disturbances on the SB winning Denver Broncos team when Manning got his starting job back, and that DID NOT MATTER. KUbiak and Elway reeled him in, because at the end of the day he was some young backup QB who was never a leader in the Denver locker room or the Texans locker room for that matter. He never earned that, so your entire assertion is a joke. A really pathetic excuse for OB and the GM we had.
Fixing an entire Oline with one pick or not isn't the point. Its the fact that it was a very valuable asset to lose for absolutely nothing. We weren't going to compete for a SB without a good QB, and all we knew at that point was that Oz wasn't going to be the guy. We knew we weren't going to be contenders, so draft picks became a lot more valuable at that point especially for future trades to potentially purchase a good Vet Olineman possibly.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Never said second round picks don't matter I said that one pick in that one draft was not going to fix our problems. Better to lose the pick to dump a problem before it becomes a bigger problem. As far as cutting him as I recall, and I could be wrong on this, they traded instead of cutting because that freed up more space and they were making as much cap room as possible. In hindsight it seems wasted but at the time everyone believed, and I still do, they were freeing that up to make a run for Romo before he left them at the altar.
As for me personally I also think the Browns deal was part of a larger deal to eventually move up in the draft to get Watson or Mahomes or whoever. I think the idea was pay Romo a big, 2-4 year contract, draft a rookie that could sit behind a vet like Romo and learn, then when Romo's deal runs out the rookie, Watson or Mahomes, is ready to roll. Do I have proof of this, no and I'm sure many will say I'm giving will say I'm giving them to much credit but that makes logical sense to me about a long term fix to what had been our biggest weakness for years. Can you imagine Watson if he could have rode the
Jadmakaveli
Veteran
I was being sarcastic along with throwing a shot at the fact that BoB just isn't a good schemer.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
If you can't see how the difference in the contracts mattered then I really don't know what to tell you. Also I love how in the same sentence you say that the scenario I present means BoB should not be coaching and then claim I'm making excuses for him. Which is it because it can't be both. Speaking of something that has nothing to do with the conversation what does Kubiak and his locker room have to do with anything? For that matter what does Osweiler in Denver have to do with anything. Didn't know Kubiak and Elway were advising the Texans on how to deal with him.
How do you know we lost it for nothing? Just because its not something that was reported or that you consider of value doesn't mean it was for nothing. And again you bring up a good Olineman as though that's what they were going to draft when history has shown that its not what they draft with early round picks, Martin being the exception. For someone that claims to not be going to speculate on what they would have drafted you sure keep coming back to this idea of them getting an Olineman.
Second round picks are extremely valuable. Moreso than one year of capspace to roll forward. It could be a solid starter for years on a rookie scale contract. Instead they have to go out and sign some scrub like giacomini or whatever, who ends up taking more capspace because he isn't on a rookie deal.
If that was the plan, I think it would have been dumb but either way they didn't get Romo. So it was a waste.
The osweiler trade was irrelevant to the Watson trade. They were completely disconnected in terms of picks moved.
cameronkrazie86
Rookie
It almost feels like they're starting a rebuild but not telling anyone they're rebuilding. If they were all in on capitalizing on Watt's window, I would've thought they'd be more aggressive in free agency fixing obvious weaknesses.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Again it wasn't just one year of cap space it was to remove a problem as well. Not sure why you think it was a dumb plan, it would have given Houston a QB that did actually have some pedigree and more important given a drafted rookie a solid vet to learn from instead of just Savage but hey if that your opinion then its your opinion. As far as the trades having nothing to do with each other yes officially they didn't but no one here knows what was discussed behind closed doors. People on this MB have a really bad habit of thinking that if it wasn't reported then it didn't happen. Just because something isn't made public doesn't mean it didn't happen.
I would remove a problem with a 7th rounder. Giving a second rounder for that is crazy
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Some of your points are valid, but you are assuming someone will stink on our Oline just because. I don't think he'll be a top tier Olineman long term and I wouldn't have paid Brown that contract he got. Its to much. The point was that Belicheck got crafty in his phone conversations and figured out a guy to plug in a major hole that just popped up on their roster. It wasn't a guarantee that it would work out at all, but it did. The tenacity and the approach into making deals is what caused that result. We just don't do much of that. We said it from the beginning of this franchise. They want to be cautious and careful. They want to build through the draft was always their mantra.
Yep, he traded a third rounder for Trent brown last year when the Texans had two third rounders
Section516
Warrior
I agree. I was just stating that even **IF** the Texans FO/Decision makers DID decide to pull that trade, with the current staff in place, I am unsure if we would of had even close to replicate success
TxnsJuggernaut
Veteran
When that policy is only marginally effective perhaps a more outside the box approach should take place.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
That's my point. That's always been my point since this franchise got started. They've always been this slow and steady be cautious type of franchise like the good ole boys. Our approach hasn't changed one bit since our first off season through 3 GM's. At least Casserly had enough experience and entitlement in himself to speak up and feel like he had the right to a voice when we had him though. His decisions were poorly thought out, but he was a guy that felt like he was a general and had a right to be there. These last two were just "yes men" who both got hired more as babysitters who were expected not to rock the boat to often and to keep things steady in the "coach's direction" creating a very uninspiring franchise.
Being a fan of this football team does not mean I have to agree with how we have handled things or the general direction of where we’re going. We have our QB, that’s great. But that’s not enough. I for one am worried that we may ruin him just like we ruined David Carr if we don’t protect him and put weapons around him. Loss of confidence for a QB is a lethal thing
I agree there. But I do think it’s a collective effort by every decision maker in the front office
Never said you had to agree. I don't agree. But if you have neither faith nor hope for the future, why follow? They are only 1 of 32 after all
Texazan
Our HOF 34
Its been said before but that's just how bad BOB wanted him gone. Osw was never BOBs guy and was forced on him from the start. No excuse for BOB because he never wanted him but it felt dumb to make that move and lose a 2nd. Let him rot, demote him but you don't give away a 2nd. I dont care what BOB felt.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Yeah, same with me. Screw what Bob wanted when Bob failed at finding a QB before him any way.
O'Brien changed his tune when he saw Osweiler up close.
I don't buy this BS that he didn't want him but that McNair forced Brock on him.
O'Brien has thrown out this BS through the media periodically. Remember when people were reporting that Rick made him start Savage over Watson? What happened to he decides who to play? Then he said there was going to be some big showdown with Rick in front of McNair.
I don't buy this BS that he didn't want him but that McNair forced Brock on him.
O'Brien has thrown out this BS through the media periodically. Remember when people were reporting that Rick made him start Savage over Watson? What happened to he decides who to play? Then he said there was going to be some big showdown with Rick in front of McNair.
I can't speak for 281Texan, but my own perspective to your question is that I must be mentally unstable, or bored. . .or perhaps a little of both?. . .
I did get married twice. . .hmmm. . .I'm a fan of NFL football, and feel obligated to follow the team with Houston in the name. But, I do have to admit I enjoy watching the NFL in general much more than I enjoy placing any expectations or faith or hope in the Texans front office and coaching staff.
Maybe I can just enjoy NFL games in general without being emotionally connected to it the way we are to "our" local team? I don't know, but it's certainly feels like a dog must feel when he chases his tail. Panting and wondering WTF? all over again, year after year.
I did hope the Texans would be strategically more involved with FA, just because they need depth at key positions and the draft isn't enough to fill it. They've got the cap space, so I'm just not sure if they have an overall battle plan that is going to yield championship potential in 2019 at this point. Wait and see, wait and see. . .
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
Smith wanted Osweiler and made a horrific trade to dump him when he predictably flopped.
O'Brien wanted Hoyer and Mallett and started Savage over Watson.
They both suck.
O'Brien wanted Hoyer and Mallett and started Savage over Watson.
They both suck.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
You know damn well had we gotten Vince Young everything would have been different with his career and our franchise would have been way further.
banned1976
sleeper mode
I’ll be honest, I’m just ready for something Texans related to talk about, and I mean in an enthusiastic manner. People at 610 must be pulling their hair out.
And the funniest part is the rumor that Rick is the one who wanted Watson, essentially forcing him on O'Brien, but then Watson played so well he got O'Brien an extension and Rick fired.
We need to move on from this whole clown ownership.