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Mid to late 2nd rnd.
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Olinemen in the 2019 draft.
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CloakNNNdagger
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Someday, when I have much more time, I may think of writing something that allows basic understanding of football injuries...........specifically from the perspective of how it may likely affect a player's future course in the NFL.
badboy
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Williams, Little and Taylor I expect to be gone by 23. IMO if Cajuste too risky at 23 he's too risky second round. I think Tytus Howard at 3.86 + CBs Mullen or Love or RB Harris at 55 is better value than Dillard.
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Texansphan
Football connoisseur
16. Dalton Risner, Offensive Tackle, Kansas State
It’s official, Dalton Risner may be one of the better pass-blocking linemen in recent memory. In fact, he hasn’t allowed a sack on the quarterback since Week 5 of the 2016 season against West Virginia and has only given up that lone sack in his collegiate career. Since that sack allowed (Q3, 2:29 left against WVU in Week 5 of 2016), that’s a span of 942 pass-blocking snaps without a sack allowed. It should be no shock that he finished with a 93.2 pass-blocking grade this season but rounded out his game with a 79.2 run-blocking grade that vaulted his overall grade to 89.9 overall and second among tackles.
This is from PFF.
I know he has a slight injury cloud, but I want him for our team.
I think Texans may go BPA with a prospect you can't refuse on the Dline or a CB and I don't think Risner will be there for either of our seconds requiring a trade up to get him.
It’s official, Dalton Risner may be one of the better pass-blocking linemen in recent memory. In fact, he hasn’t allowed a sack on the quarterback since Week 5 of the 2016 season against West Virginia and has only given up that lone sack in his collegiate career. Since that sack allowed (Q3, 2:29 left against WVU in Week 5 of 2016), that’s a span of 942 pass-blocking snaps without a sack allowed. It should be no shock that he finished with a 93.2 pass-blocking grade this season but rounded out his game with a 79.2 run-blocking grade that vaulted his overall grade to 89.9 overall and second among tackles.
This is from PFF.
I know he has a slight injury cloud, but I want him for our team.
I think Texans may go BPA with a prospect you can't refuse on the Dline or a CB and I don't think Risner will be there for either of our seconds requiring a trade up to get him.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
95. Joe Lowery, Offensive Tackle, Ohio
Our MAC Player of the Year, Lowery was dominant along the Bobcats offensive line. He finished with the fourth-highest grade at the position and allowed just nine pressures despite seeing some of the nation’s most feared Group of 5 pass-rushers.
Reads well, but haven't watched any tape - anyone got an opinion?
He is listed around 380 or so on Drafttek but that won't last long. I don't see him on CBSSports top 100 either.
If he is there for our 5th round, I say snap him up, but I have a feeling he may go as high as the 3rd round.
Our MAC Player of the Year, Lowery was dominant along the Bobcats offensive line. He finished with the fourth-highest grade at the position and allowed just nine pressures despite seeing some of the nation’s most feared Group of 5 pass-rushers.
Reads well, but haven't watched any tape - anyone got an opinion?
He is listed around 380 or so on Drafttek but that won't last long. I don't see him on CBSSports top 100 either.
If he is there for our 5th round, I say snap him up, but I have a feeling he may go as high as the 3rd round.
Who's their #1 OT?
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
10. Jonah Williams, Offensive Tackle
At fault for just 12 QB pressures this season, Williams did not allow a single sack across his 482 snaps in pass protection while he also added more than his fair share of value in the run game. Considering the amount of talent he had to face from SEC edge rushers this season, it puts his performance into that much higher of a tier than his counterparts at tackle, granting him clemency even though not allowing a sack all season long is a feat in it’s own regard.
It says that Williams' position rank is #3 in the graphic? Is he the #1 or #3 OT?10. Jonah Williams, Offensive Tackle
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
#1 OT/OL in the draft and 10th overall.
They rank Quinnen Williams and Kyler Murray higher at 1 and 2 respectively.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Ah yes, I see what you're saying - their explanation at the top gives their criteria they take all things into consideration is what they basically say.
Will check and see for ya...
Risner is position rank #2 and Cole Van Lanen #1.
It says position rank #3 overall grade... who are #1 & 2?
Interesting prospect. I don't recall him being in any of the post-season all-star games like the East-West or Senior bowl ? Why would the MAC Player of the Year95. Joe Lowery, Offensive Tackle, Ohio
Our MAC Player of the Year, Lowery was dominant along the Bobcats offensive line. He finished with the fourth-highest grade at the position and allowed just nine pressures despite seeing some of the nation’s most feared Group of 5 pass-rushers.
Reads well, but haven't watched any tape - anyone got an opinion?
He is listed around 380 or so on Drafttek but that won't last long. I don't see him on CBSSports top 100 either.
If he is there for our 5th round, I say snap him up, but I have a feeling he may go as high as the 3rd round.
not get an invite to something like that ? I dunno maybe I just missed him or maybe he's been injured ?
Texansphan
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Did N. Illinois pass rusher Sutton Smith not lineup against Lowery in their game this year? Smith has 2 sacks, 2.5 TFL, and a FF,and 2 FRs. Lowery was selected to play in the NFLPA all star game. Don't know if he played.
He may not be draft eligible. Not everyone on this list is a junior, senior, or other draft eligible player.
I've been watching some video recently on Greg Little and have a question, am I the only one that's underwhelmed by Little as an NFL level 1st round LT? His run blocking is good and seems to have good strength, but his slide step pass protection is slow. He seems like a guy that really needs to drop a few pounds and get on an NFL level S&C program, hopefully gain some speed, athleticism, and foot quickness. He's got great length but NFL pass rushers are going to get under and pass him quickly and he just doesn't seem to have the quickness to stop it or recover. Opinions?
I can never find the quickness, strength, effort, or tenacity, but, it seems like everywhere I look, he's slated to go in the top half of the first round !
Texansphan
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He is gonna need to prove himself at the combine or he could fall out of the first round - several very recent mocks I have seen have him falling out.
In the meantime, the likes of Andre Dillard, Cody Ford, Jonah Williams, Jawaan Taylor and Dalton Risner have all overtaken him.
Every year I like different players at different stages of the preseason and right now, Jawaan Taylor is very bright on my radar.
One pundit had this to say:- "Moved from LT to RT with great success. Old school road grader with size, toughness and pass pro ability."
Texansphan
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He is gonna need to prove himself at the combine or he could fall out of the first round - several very recent mocks I have seen have him falling out.
In the meantime, the likes of Andre Dillard, Cody Ford, Jonah Williams, Jawaan Taylor and Dalton Risner have all overtaken him.
Every year I like different players at different stages of the preseason and right now, Jawaan Taylor is very bright on my radar. (Along with others).
One pundit had this to say:- "Moved from LT to RT with great success. Old school road grader with size, toughness and pass pro ability."
Andre Dillard is said to be the most ready to play LT in the NFL now.
The more I watch of Ford the more he moves up my wish list..
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Ford and one of the OU guards later wouldn't be bad . LT would still be an issue .
beerlover
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Two picks in 2nd to address LT. Gotta go BPA.
Yea tackle is the issue, both left and right but of course the big priority is the former.
Not saying we are elite or something like that inside but aren't we now reasonably competent at the guards & center.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Like WR, health has been an issue. Rankin will be key moving forward, think he’ll be alright, but interior needs some fresh beef too.
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Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 23: Ford, Cody, OG/OT, Oklahoma (A)
Round 2 Pick 22: Dillard, Andre, OT/OT, Washington State (B+)
Round 2 Pick 23: Mullen, Trayvon, CB, Clemson (A-)
Round 3 Pick 22: Snell Jr, Benny, RB, Kentucky (A+)
Round 5 Pick 23: Samia, Dru, OG, Oklahoma (A+)
Round 6 Pick 22: Pollard, Tony, WR/RB, Memphis (A+)
Round 7 Pick 23: Russell, Dontavius, DT, Auburn (A+)
Texansphan
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I was wondering about that.
I think this is a decent OG class too.
They are sparse but the value goes down into the lower mid rounds.
I have my eye on Terronne Prescod - 335 pounds and has a nice low stance. PFF had him ranked as the #2 NCAAF OG for the 2018 season and can be had for our 3rd round pick.
Texansphan
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I was wondering about that.
I think this is a decent OG class too.
They are sparse but the value goes down into the lower mid rounds.
I have my eye on Terronne Prescod - 335 pounds and has a nice low stance. PFF had him ranked as the #2 NCAAF guy for the 2018 season and can be had for our 3rd round pick.
Max
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I watched senior bowl OL vs DL and Dennis Daley had a couple of nice reps so I watched his game vs Clemson and he looked really good. A draft profile I read said his feet were a problem but I didn't see that. If his feet are slow, he covered for it by doing a great job anticipating moves, staying balanced and being patient against speed rushers. To me, it looks like he has some power and a good punch. His Clemson tape showed really good awareness -- head on a swivel, handed off defenders and got to the next defender on stunts. I'm wondering what I'm missing for why this guy isn't showing higher in LT rankings. Anyone have him on their radar?
Texansphan
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Found this on him:-
Pass Protection – Good luck bull rushing. Rushing with power down the middle is playing right into his hands. Frames bull rushers well and gets his hands inside while dropping his hips to stop power. Base is perfect, rarely knocked off balance. Capable of stopping speed rushers, but feet need to be more consistent. Rarely oversets, but can be slow to react to inside moves when he is hit with them.
POA Run Blocking – Love his intensity and moments of eruption into contact. Flashes of ability to shock defenders with his burst and power off the snap. Can also get a little overextended off the snap, leaning into contact and losing some of the leg drive that creates movement. Diverse blocking schemes at South Carolina highlighted his well-rounded skill set. Functions well as an inside zone blocker, provided the opponent isn’t too twitched up. Devastating on down blocks, but doesn’t create the same movement on drive blocks.
Functional Strength – Power won’t be an issue, but doesn’t always have the pad level and technique to maximize it functionally. Thickly built with a pro-ready frame and physicality. Consistently widens his gap on seal blocks with the rotational strength to long arm force defenders up the field.
Pass Pro Footwork – One of the biggest concerns with Daley’s game is his inability to find consistent set points against various types of rushers/techniques. Undersets speed rushers and was beaten up the arc frequently by Josh Allen. Stops his feet to land a punch, allowing more savvy rushers to slow-play and then burst around him. A false step in his post foot creeps into his game on 45-degree sets. Has flashed the ability to fire out of his stance and establish a half-man relationship, but does not do so nearly consistently enough.
Strike Timing/Placement – Will occasionally get over-extended and fire his hands early, allowing edge defenders to swat his hands and corner. When he frames a rusher well, lands a thunderous punch with good grip strength. Does an excellent job finding the edge rusher’s hip in recovery mode and pushing him deeper than the pocket. In the run game, hands can get a bit wide at times, but shows the ability to find leverage points and create movement with strong hands.
Leverage – Biggest issues with leverage come in the run game, when he pops up off the snap too often as a vertical blocker. Power is negated by issues keeping his pads low, allowing defenders to shed his block easier. Has shown flashes of playing lower, just has to make it more consistent. Even without great technique, is rarely manhandled or tossed around.
Space Blocking – Would overwhelm second level blockers more often with better pad level. Not asked to release into space or pull much in South Carolina’s offense. When he did pull, stayed under control and found his target. More short-area explosive than an ideal downfield option, but seems to have enough traits to be capable.
Competitive Toughness – Fights to maintain contact and shows incredible second effort when needed. Physical and relentless in his play demeanor. Not a big-time finisher, but looks to maximize every rep.
Mental Processing – Strong mental processor with good understanding of spacing in relationship to his fellow guard. Recognizes late pressure and will pass off players to pick up loopers on games. Doesn’t panic and knows his assignments. Based on tape, seems impressive from the neck up.
Athleticism/Size – Excellent size and solid movement skills. Flashes of explosive movement and overall fluidity are clear. Should test solid, but functional mover on tape, which is enough for me. How long are his arms? NFL teams will want to see that result.
BEST TRAIT – Functional Strength/Mental Processing
WORST TRAIT – Pass Pro Footwork
Intriguing prospect but can't find him on any big boards.
Weird.
Max
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These are the things that stood out to me from what I watched. He mentions getting beat by Josh Allen frequently so there's obviously tape out there that isn't as impressive as what I saw. They also mentioned that he functioned well as an inside zone blocker which may put him on our board. I personally like him more than Little from what I've seen. Someone to keep an eye on at the very least.
I think he's a RT/LG.
Talented and smart but due to his strength would be better inside.
Joe Thuney who went in the 3rd rd would be my comparison.
Where did you find it? Whose analysis are we reading?
Not good against counter moves.
I watched Little against Alabama/LSU/Miss St. last night again. Although he gave up a sack against Key and Sweat he actually looked pretty good. He appears to look lackadaisical but gets the job done. What surprises me is people who say he's got slow feet but he regularly gets to the 2nd level in run blocking.
I dont know this but how many sacks did he give up in 2017 and 2018? I listened to an interview with him and he seems like an intelligent guy. Maybe I'm wrong but at worst he would be a very good RT if his feet are as bad as some make them out to be. Which I didn't see.
The Draft Network and Walter Football have differing opinions of Little. I tend to see more of what Charlie Campbell is seeing.
Max
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Hmmm. I thought he did very well against counter moves -- it's what caught my eye in the senior bowl video.
He just seems under control and has a good feel for where the defender's going to me -- which I think the analysis Texansphan quoted agrees with when it said he 'doesn't panic'. But I think we're seeing something similar when you said RT or LG because he actually reminds me a lot of Rankin. But I still think Rankin can play tackle which tells you how much I know.
Thanks, I really enjoyed watching that. Dailey looked much better against Granderson than he did in his 1st rep against Ledbetter.
The 3 guys that really impressed me were Power/Sweat/Mack. Dillard also showed great feet but is going to have issues with power. That's what NFL S&C are for.
badboy
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small school but really good pass snaps 92.3 run 85.3 the latter #1 OT college. I have him 6'7" 310. Only 9 total QB pressures 334 pass snaps! No sacks. Below radar95. Joe Lowery, Offensive Tackle, Ohio
Our MAC Player of the Year, Lowery was dominant along the Bobcats offensive line. He finished with the fourth-highest grade at the position and allowed just nine pressures despite seeing some of the nation’s most feared Group of 5 pass-rushers.
Reads well, but haven't watched any tape - anyone got an opinion?
He is listed around 380 or so on Drafttek but that won't last long. I don't see him on CBSSports top 100 either.
If he is there for our 5th round, I say snap him up, but I have a feeling he may go as high as the 3rd round.
badboy
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Both I want..barring Trent Brown I'm thinking Tytus Howard 3rd round and Lowery 5th. 2 CBS and Damien Harris first three picks.
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badboy
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Lowery red shirt senior
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badboy
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Agree on Little, every eval. questions effort. Taylor I wish I could get clear reading on. Not interested at 1st but.. Seems destined RT. Many think cleaned up his slide and room to get better. First 2 rounds LT better start.
I like Scharping as a RT, but think he can play OG as well. He moves pretty well for a big guy. I was kinda disappointed with his play at the Sr. Bowl. He didn't do badly, but I expected him to stand out like Dillard did.
Give me Brown and the best OT available in the 1st. Then another OG/C like Bradberry in the 2nd. Draft CB's in the 2nd/3rd. There should be plenty good ones available.
Build the best OL possible around Watson and watch how good he will become. Do whatever you have to do to not allow 62 sacks.
Although Howard has much better feet than Davenport. This isn't the time to be gambling Watson's health on a small school project.
badboy
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Dang I'd be all over that even if we got Brown and James free agency. I'd want another corner someway.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
I have mentioned us needing to go after Brown a lot. I can't guarantee that he'll be what he has been to NE, because he wasn't nearly as good in San Fran and he was in the contract year this year. Someone may over pay for him with this. I'd make the gamble though. The Texans Oline is just way to bad not to. Last off season there wasn't that many opportunities to get help in FA for the line, but there is more now and since we finally have a QB we need to keep him upright. I think we should go after Brown even though there is some risk involved with him.