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Olinemen in the 2019 draft.
- Thread starter Texansphan
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But McCoy is generally considered a guard,and Bradbury according to CBS is ranked higher
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Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Don't tell Texans he is versatile - they'll draft him fer sure.
All jokes aside, a significant portion of the olinemen in this one are experienced along the line. Risner being a prime example.
OB loves versatility over just about anything
The Browns haven't replaced Joe Thomas and currently have last year's UDFA Desmond Harrison atop the depth chart at LT. They may get a LT in FA. So may the Texans. Just right now, it's the glaring hole. And they have a young franchise QB to protect, as well. What I'm saying is, it will be tough trading up that high, because there are teams with similar needs.
BTW, I liked Desmond Harrison from last year's draft. Maybe the Browns are ready to roll with him. No one really knows, right now.
Yes, I don't expect any team to allow the Texans to trade up since all know their GLARING needs, but I was talking this particular mock
Taylor or Risner for me
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I like Dillard more, but they're close. Dillard just moves so we'll we' his size. Risner has the toughness that the Texans OL is currently missing. Since Dillard plays LT, he's my guy. He can play RT too and if Brown was to get hurt you could slip Dillard into LT and not miss a beat.
I agree, but would love Risner at RT or RG because of hi mean streak and run blocking ability. Both would be ideal.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
The question really should be do you trade up to get the best LT who can also play RT, or do you sit there and draft Risner (Who CnD has questions about his shoulders.) at 23.
My question is if the sign Trent Brown in FA and draft a CB at 23, (Say Greedy falls) and Risner falls to the top of the 2nd rd due to those shoulder issues, do y'all trade up and get him? Same scenario goes for Cajuste.
If they dont sign Brown in FA, I'm definitely doing what it takes to move up and get Dillard.
Neither Greedy or Risner will fall that far, but if both do who do you take? I say Greedy
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
You're trade up fascinated this offseason.
There are other options like Little & Taylor. It's not just Dillard or Risner. I might take Risner entirely off the board due injury risk.
Duane Brown was the 7th T taken in 2008 and ended up with the best career. Coincidentally we had the same pick that year and actually traded down for him.
I wouldn't give up a starter who might very well help out Watson more than a marginal gain at T to claim we got him "the best."
Brown will be a big disappointment if signed IMO.
I'm not fascinated in trading up. I just want to get the best OT prospect IMHO. After seeing the OT play last yr you should want that too.Solving the OT positions with the best guys available at the cost in FA and using a 2nd to move up and draft Dillard that solves the OT issues for the next 5 yrs. Yep, sign me up for some of that.
Brown is 25 yrs old. His best football should be ahead of him. He's very good in pass pro. Because of his weight he fell in the draft, but he's been an above avg starter in both San Francisco and New England.
Tell you what go spend 30 mins looking at the Pats games last yr and focus on Brown. Then lets talk about strengths/weaknesses and where YOU would rank Brown if he was coming out in this draft.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Agree. It will put us in a nervous spot to get a top tier T, but if you really want Taylor, you may have to trade up to get him. I think he falls into the second. If not, its a nerve racking wait for Little or Cajuste. I am pretty sure Williams, Ford, Dillard and Risner will go in the 1st, in that order.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
A pair of queens beats an ace high hand. Keep the 2nd and get both OTs.
I like McGary at RT as much as I do Risner.
Give me an ace LT and a king RT and I'm fine.
Give me an ace LT and a king RT and I'm fine.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
What do you make of David Edwards - for mine he is in the next tier down.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
What do you make of David Edwards - for mine he is in the next tier down.
2017 Edwards was a stud, 2018 Edwards not so much. This was due to a back injury. 2018 McGary is comparable to 2017 Edwards.
I'm very leery of a young guy like Edwards already suffering with back issues. As a person who ha suffered with back injuries, you can get better but you're never really the same.
You're right about Edwards .... the farther he got into the season the worse he looked .... I was really pulling for him. Ya'll are making too much sense with your prospects. If O'Brien thought he could pull it off, he'd have Jawaan Taylor and Cody Ford on the right side .... grinding and grinding .... field-goaling them to death !! How avant-garde - cutting edge of him ! I shouldn't be so negative .... we did finish 11 and 5 .... what a fluke. I would never be considered a purist .... their perfect game would end 3 - 2. I like to see my team 45 or 50 points per game. That's irrelevant. What do we do if Dillard is not there ?
You either A. Trade up for Dillard B. Depending on who's on the board stay at 23 and BPA at CB/OT or trade down depending on what you're board looks like. I could also see staying at 23 and picking. Then trading up to the top of rd.2 and filling the need you didn't get in rd.1 either OT or CB.
Alot of this depends on how FA turns out.
JMO, if the Texans are as impressed as I've been watching video on this guy then you don't take the chance of losing him, trade up and go get him. I'm not sure how far our 3rd round pick would move us up, but I'd do what it takes to solidify this position.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
18th tops.
I would use the 1st and 2nd to get him.
After I signed Brown in FA.
Doubling down to solve longstanding problems.
Right and the Texans second round pick gets you up to 'bout maybe the 15th or 14th pick in the first round. It's expensive to move up and I dunno if a young, second year
GM like Gain would have the juice or the nutz to make that kinda move in just his second Draft 'cause that's a lot of house money he'd be playing with ?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I hope he has the wisdom to not. That is giving up a starter, potentially a very high quality starter, for incremental improvement at one spot.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
I understand this line of thinking.
But it wouldn't be an incremental improvement. If Gaine did what I wanted he would sign the best FA LT and draft the best OT, this would solve the OT problems that have plagued this team since Winston/DB left Kirby. Then you have your 2nd/3rd rd picks and FA to fix the CB/WR etc... issues.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
It is incremental at the one OT spot you are moving up for.
You can do everything else you said plus have another likely starter.
You wont be able to add the best OT in the draft. IMHO
Give me 1 great player
Instead of 2 lesser players.
Problem is that you can never be sure that you're getting a great NFL player in the first year. Especially OL. They all take time to develop and the OL as a unit has to play together for awhile to achieve their best.
Gotta trust your evals.
Talented guys on OL's seem to come together much faster than less talented guys. See: Colts from last yr had 3 new starters and it took them 4 games to come together. Nelson/Glowinski/Smith.
The yr before the Rams put 3 new starters on their OL and came together quickly. Whitworth/Sullivan/Havenstien.
You're assuming here that the difference between the best and second or third best is necessarily significant. Hell, most publications/analysts can't come to a remote consensus past Jonah Williams, and we're nowhere near close enough to move for him.
If the difference can't be measured more than splitting hairs I'd just as soon get one and still have resources to get someone else. And I don't think the differences between Dillard, Little, Ford, Cajuste, Taylor, and Risner will really be accurately measured for a few years.
I'm confident in my evals of Dillard.
I want who I consider the best OL in this class. Although I do like Williams. I also want a RT that can play LT in case of injury and you have to pay for these guys.
The one of the other things I like about Dillard is that he has no injury history that I'm aware of. Who do you like as much as Dillard/Williams?
Taylor is who I'm reading
I dont like Taylor at all. He's a guy that got by in college because he was bigger and stronger than most guys he went up against. He plays much too high and frankly seems dumb. He will be the type of guy that plays in the NFL for a while but never will be what his talent level shows he could be.
2nd rd pick for me.
Okay... everyone has an opinion. I haven't seen enough film to know, but I am an avid reader
I dunno I'm still not sure how to feel about it ? Securing a franchise LT is so important but you are right because it's a high enough risk gamble without investing multiple picks.
Yes Dillard clearly seems to be the best pass-protector in the Draft this year but most folks do have reservation about his run- blocking abilities ?
But who's the best all around OT ?
They've been pussyfooting around with the OT positions for yrs. It's time to protect Watson. If Gaine signs Brown and trades for Dillard (Who can start out at RT) the OL will look like we all want it to look. The cost of securing the OT positions is a 2nd rd pick and they've got and extra 2nd.
The philosophy Cak has and I'm not saying he's wrong, is the one that's gotten the OL talent where it's sitting today. If they do what Cak wants, they better be right or it's going to set this franchise back a bit.
If they sign Brown and dont trade I hope that Little falls to the 2nd (Doubtful) or they pick Edoga.
What tape of ford didn’t you like?
Dillard is the best all around OT in this draft. His base does need to get stonger but he's an adequate run blocker right now. He's not a mauler but can get the job done in the run game. A plus is Dillard is really good at getting to the 2nd level.
Gaine will have to get ahead of the Vikings/Browns atleast if he wants Dillard.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Spending a 1st & a 2nd on 2 OTs is neither pussyfooting nor what they have been doing to get here.
The former GM spent how many 1st round picks on the OL?
I don't see why you wouldn't want the best OT's in both FA/Draft. At the cost of 15 mil per year for the best FA OT and spending an extra 2nd round pick to get the best OT in the draft? If you did these 2 things the offense qoulw look like we all want it to look. BTW, I would also draft a late Rd guy like Roemer to develop.
I know you don't know what comittment to the OL looks like, since the previous regime didn't commit resources to the OL like what hopefully Gaine will do .
Look at the Rams/Saints/Chiefs/Colts as examples. They've spending t draft capital and FA money on their OL's
Tell me about the 1st round picks the former gm spent on the OL in the last decade.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
On the side.....how many of those teams have a defense like the Texans? It could help and determine which of those teams would put OT as a primary need versus finding answers on defense.