Texansphan
Football connoisseur
His good play this year may also have been influenced by having a first rate oline coach and signal caller.
He should retain what he has learnt, so I would take a shot with him.
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Olinemen in the 2019 draft.
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He should retain what he has learnt, so I would take a shot with him.
There is something about Brown that keeps plaguing me. He did well this year .... at New England .... under Belichick ! They don't fool around up there. Either you're going sacrifice everything to win .... or you will not remain ! Heck, highly paid team members contribute portions of their salaries to other, lower paid players, or trade prospects. Up there, it's not "anything to win" .... it's "everything to win" ! Bill O'Brien wants to be, and I think, considers himself to be another Belichick, but he ain't .... never will be. Ask yourself, would O'Brien have the guts to bench Brown for being 25 lbs over his targeted weight ? Would he cut Brown for a very serious rules infraction ? Belichick would ! Will Brown be a good boy in Houston ? If so, we should get him. I had a good friend, from whom, I learned a great deal about pro football. He had played center in college. His younger son played center for the Dolphins in the early 80's. Shula had a targeted (ideal) weight for each and every player. On Tuesdays, they all weighed in gym shorts. He allowed a 2 lb lenience each week .... but for 1 week only. For instance, Mark's ideal playing size was 6'1" - 253. Every pound varied, cost them a $50 bill ! that seems like a pittance these days .... but it wasn't then ! That would be over $150 today .... and their salaries were much, much less than today. Belichick has some of that "old school" still left in him .... and Brown and the team know it !
This is such great stuff .... you can learn from a man like this .... reminds me of Joel BuschBaum !
This was a good read, lots of good info. Thanks for posting it. I want Andre Dillard in the 1st round and after the Combine we may even have to trade up to get him. Every time I watch video on him I continue to be more and more impressed, his footwork, balance, and natural athleticism are great. Even if we have to trade up for Dillard, go get him.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Interesting that he did not feature Greg Little. If he has a great combine, just watch the scramble to have him moved back into the limelight.
This was an informative and interesting article, enjoyed it.
Moving up for Dillard would probably involve one of our very valuable second round pics, a big committment ? So just how good does Gaine feel about Dillard or another LT prospect is of course what he would have to ask himself.
On the other hand given what a crap-shoot the Draft is there is also appeal to the approach of using both the first round pick and one of the second-rounders on another,
a second OT thereby spreading the risk around.
Thing about Dillard is that even though folks rave about his pass-blocking they are also lukewarm about his run-blocking.
I'm trading up if there's a hole at LT. Gotta protect Watson. If the LT hole is filled a good CB should be there for them to take, or maybe Metcalf falls to them. The thought of having Hopkins/Metcalf/Coutee/Fuller really appeals to me. Especially if Dillard/Greedy/Murphy are gone. I'm not a huge fan of Baker.
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Max
Veteran
Understood. I'm arguing for being aggressive in FA to not be put in that position. Overpaying in FA can be balanced out in the draft.
The problem with this idea is that trying to fix LT in FA is usually a band aid approach, it's very expensive and temporary because it's so expensive. JMO, but there's 5 positions you fix in the draft because they're so expensive in FA (QB, LT, #1WR, CB, and DE/OLB/EDGE). Other positions are less expensive in FA thus money to fix them can be spent there. Instead of locking up tons of money on a FA LT who may or may not be great at LT (see Solder to the Giants a year ago at $62M), I'd much rather take my chances with a top tier LT draft prospect and develop him on a relatively cheap 5 yr. rookie contract even if it cost us another pick to trade up and get that great prospect. I love Dillard in the 1st, and really like Risner, I don't see what the national pundits see in Little or Taylor, and Cajuste's injury history scares me. I haven't watched any film on Williams, always figured he was gone way before our pick, and haven't seen any film on Edoga yet, but have read good things about him.
Idexan expressed concern for Dillards run blocking ability, but there aren't that many 21-22 yr. old college prospects that are as strong as a 25-30 yr. old NFL level DT. Just saying all rookies have to adjust to the level of the game, Dillard will be fine but might require some help his rookie year like everyone else.
Agreed Wolf6151, but Watson needs to be protected now. Sign a servicable LT now (Brown/Smith) and draft a rookie and give him a year or two to build strength and technique (if only the Texans had an OL coach that could do that). I think Dillard could be the guy, but it will take time.
I know you have to over pay for a guy like Brown. But I'm scared to death of a rookie protecting Watson's blind side. Look at DB's rookie yr as an example. This is why I would over pay for Trent Brown. If I couldn't sign Brown then Nsekhe would be option #2 at a much more affordable cost. Signing a vet LT in FA allows you to go BPA in the Draft. Be that a guy like Dillard/Greedy/Metcalf in the draft.
I like not having to reach in the draft to fill a need. That's where you end up drafting guys that end up busting.
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OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
My current flavor of off-season and draft Kool-Aid would be this: FA LT- Brown or Nsekhe to bridge the drafting of: LT- Andre Dillard. That jug also has: RT- Dalton Risner and C- Erik McCoy. These 4 guys would change the face of the Texans in 2019. The offense gets scary good overnight.
Add an off-season signing of LeVeon Bell, the health of the WR's and the continued development of the Jordan's........Watson will be the cat's meow in the NFL.
Add an off-season signing of LeVeon Bell, the health of the WR's and the continued development of the Jordan's........Watson will be the cat's meow in the NFL.
And water is wet
I like it, if you were ever going to draft 3 OL this would be the yr. I doubt Risner falls to the 2nd though. If he does he would be my pick even if I needed a CB.
As you know I think signing Bell would be a waste of resources. Another WR is a must either in FA or the draft. You cant depend on Fuller and you saw how the offense looked with him and without him.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I'd love to move the chess pieces and get another late RD1 or early RD2. This way, I could look at the possibility of drafting both Dillard and Risner in RD1. I'd use the RD2 picks on WR, Deebo Sweeney and CB, Trayvon Mullen, Blace Brown or Isaiah Johnson.....just depending on how they're moving up or falling down
I wouldn't hesitate to put the 2020 RD1 pick in play along with the possibility of tagging and trading Clowney and maybe bundling a couple of picks to move up to ensure that my 5 biggest targets are wearing Steele blue next season.
Dillard, Risner, Mullen, Sweeney and McCoy. That group makes the rest of the Mock Draft a absolute cherry of the top.
Thing is with a little luck this could happen.
I wanted to like Little . I watched him in 6 or 7 games this year. Everyone was ranking him early .... I never could see it. Same thing on QB Nick Fitzgerald. I've wanted him since I first saw him. He came in to replace an injured QB, (Jim Kelley's nephew, I think). He passed and ran for nearly 500 yds. It seemed like every game after that, he fell a little. I feel badly for guys like these .... reminds me of one-hit-wonders .... you know the talent is there, you've seen/heard it .... they just can't recapture it. Kinda' makes me wonder about the line "tis better to have loved and lost, than never to have loved at all." Not that I'd challenge Tennyson, but .... no one could know !
I still like Little alot. What you play for a program that went thru the issues that program went thru the fall off in Little's play isn't surprising. BTW, His play wasn't nearly as bad as draftniks are making it out to be.
zshawn10
All Pro
Found this:
https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015...e-statistics-tell-us-about-the-draft-by-round
I'm still in favor of using 2 of 3 first three picks on OLine.
https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015...e-statistics-tell-us-about-the-draft-by-round
I'm still in favor of using 2 of 3 first three picks on OLine.
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This tells me if they draft 2 OL in the 1st 2 rds and sign one in FA that odds are the OL will be alot better next yr.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
There is some depth in this draft - I think you can score a surprise in lower half of the draw as well, including UDFA.
Here are a few examples:-
Tytus Howard OT
Joe Lowery OT
Bobby Evans OT
Beau Benzschawel OG
Chuma Edoga OG
Michael Dieter OG
Terrone Prescod OG
And these are just the ones I am aware of.
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I agree. There are some small school guys I like that showed they belonged in the all star games:
Trey Pipkins - OT, Sioux Falls
Oli Udoh - OT/OG, Elon
Joshua Mills - OT/OG, Morgan State
These guys are raw. Pipkins needs his stance totally rebuilt. But they have the size and athleticism to make it in the NFL. Just have to be coached up.
There are some G/T tweeners I also like in the mid/late rounds. Not a fan of Kelemete as a starter or even reserve, and these guys could be replacements:
Ryan Bates - Penn State
Tyler Jones - NC State
Zack Bailey - South Carolina
I would rather spend the draft capital to get the guys they want to fix the OL. Instead of hoping a guy you like falls to you.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Absolutely - just pointing out that there are some possible gems down lower and that we shouldn't panic about there being no more talent after the first 8 or 9 guys are off the board.
No harm in dipping into the treasure chest to hedge your bets.
For example, how could you pass up on any of those guys in UDFA?
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft...o-know-from-jonah-williams-to-michael-deiter/
Another article that can teach a lot about watching, evaluating, and grading offensive linemen.
Another article that can teach a lot about watching, evaluating, and grading offensive linemen.
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Sad thing is, that was my best effort. If you ever happen to have the occasion to lookup computer unfluency .... that's me .... not a very flattering picture .... not photogenic either !
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Found this on one of the many mock drafts going around. Went back to find a link but couldn't.
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Dalton Risner, OL, Kansas State
Fun fact: you are contractually obligated to give the Texans an offensive lineman in any and all mock drafts.
Found the explanation comical, but true.
Reminds of the Oline comments during the D Carr era.
Are we actually back to the expansion era Oline?
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Dalton Risner, OL, Kansas State
Fun fact: you are contractually obligated to give the Texans an offensive lineman in any and all mock drafts.
Found the explanation comical, but true.
Reminds of the Oline comments during the D Carr era.
Are we actually back to the expansion era Oline?
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Risner definitely, as well as Dillard and Taylor. I doubt Williams will still be on the board.Found this on one of the many mock drafts going around. Went back to find a link but couldn't.
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Dalton Risner, OL, Kansas State
Fun fact: you are contractually obligated to give the Texans an offensive lineman in any and all mock drafts.
Found the explanation comical, but true.
Reminds of the Oline comments during the D Carr era.
Are we actually back to the expansion era Oline?
If Greg Little is there in the second, and there is a slight chance he might be, then you grab him too.
Found this on one of the many mock drafts going around. Went back to find a link but couldn't.
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Dalton Risner, OL, Kansas State
Fun fact: you are contractually obligated to give the Texans an offensive lineman in any and all mock drafts.
Found the explanation comical, but true.
Reminds of the Oline comments during the D Carr era.
Are we actually back to the expansion era Oline?
Yes they are back to the expansion years OL talent level.
I've been saying for 2 yrs that they were going to end up doing the same thing to Watson that they did to Carr. After an ACL/Broken ribs/Punctured lung it looks like another page out of a crappy playbook from yrs gone by.
That's why they have to fire a double barrel blast at both FA and the draft. I could give a shyt about who's under what contract. Bring 4 or 5 guys in to compete with who is here. No one is safe. I believe in keeping an o-line together to grow. If you have something worthy of developing. I don't see that. All I see is a line that needs some talent and a kick in the arse.
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cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
It seems that this year may be better for OL talent than was first thought.
Hopefully the teams ahead of us in the first two rounds make a run for the Defensive players available.
Time for the planets to align for the Texans to have a remarkable draft.
And to think that we get to watch the first two rounds in this years draft with optimistic anticipation.
Found this on one of the many mock drafts going around. Went back to find a link but couldn't.
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Dalton Risner, OL, Kansas State
Fun fact: you are contractually obligated to give the Texans an offensive lineman in any and all mock drafts.
Found the explanation comical, but true.
Reminds of the Oline comments during the D Carr era.
Are we actually back to the expansion era Oline?
It be on CBSsports/Will Brinson...
link
If his draft holds true and Dillard falls 10 18, would you trade up to 17 with the Browns again? What would it cost? One of our seconds and get back a 4th?
Exactly
I believe in continuity but a crap OL with continuity is still going to be a crap OL. You're on to something about the contracts, I just hope Kelemete/Martin aren't handed jobs. Bring in 3 OL in FA/Draft which is what I would do, then it would be may the best man win competition regardless of previous draft status or contracts.
Actually, in that particular mock only Williams, Dillard and Risner go in the first
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Thanks for the link JB.
3 is the minimum I would think along with 2 CB's
Probably that's in the ballpark compensation wise.
Yes I would trade up, and draft Dillard, even if they signed Trent Brown in FA. That way the long standing OT problem would be solved for the next 5 yrs. In today's NFL you need a RT that can pass block too. Teams are lining up their best pass rushers over the RT most of the time. The yrs of the huge slow footed mauler type RT are long gone.
Thanks for the link JB.
google is my friend :P
But is Dillard that much better with Risner, Taylor, Little and Cajuste still on the board?
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Ok, so do you trade up to 14 with the Falcons and don't get the 4th back. But in this particular Feb. pre-combine mock, the Browns are looking CB
This mock I think Bradbury is the first Center taken at 16