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Mr teX said:
Wrong. Reid didn’t build anything in 1 offseason. The credit for the turnaround in KC probably belongs more to John Dorsey b/c most of that talent Reid is utilizing Dorsey drafted. Yet Reid was still underachieving with it though up until this year.

All Dorsey has done since leaving KC however is rebuild the Browns and given them a seemingly bright future.

If anything it highlights what a good GM can do for a team.
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If it's as simple as what a good GM can do for a team. Why did the same Browns' roster fail with experienced offensive coordinators like Hue Jackson and Todd Haley and succeed with an unknown OC like Kitchens? Why did a Rams roster built by Jeff Fisher and their GM field one of the worst offenses and now McVay and the same GM field one of the best offenses in the NFL?

When it comes to O'Brien, you keep wanting to separate the wheat from the chaff. The failures of the Texans are a team effort. Owner, GM and HC should all share in the credit or blame.
 
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Mr teX said:
Lol....I guess that’s why teams fall over themselves every year trying to draft this guy or get that guy in FA. And I guess that’s why HC after HC fail every year ..b/c they just aren’t creative enough scheme wise to be able to “mask” the weakenesses of their teams. you’re an idiot if u believe that scheme trumps talent. You’re even more of an idiot if you believe that coaches believe that.

But carry on...
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No one is saying talent isn’t important. You have to have talent. Just having talent isn’t enough in the NFL. You have to be a complete Moron to think that.
 
Mr teX said:
When:

we can get to a point with our roster where we have quality depth...

and more than 1 good draft in 10 years...

& When our FA Acquistions don’t set us back 2-3 years.
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I guess O’Brien can pull the Ricky excuse for the next four years. In the salary cap era, quality depth is hard to find and even harder to keep.

Also, what good is quality depth if the coaches are not using a rotation to maximize the talent? For example, while Coutee was hurt, Carter was part of the game plan. Hopkins is injured, Coutee returns, Texans are running 3 and 4 WR sets, yet Carter disappeared from the game plan. Isn’t Carter quality depth?
 
this dude has to go. he has been riding talents with 0 coaching in the playoffs. 30-0 and 21-0 by half as offensive genius during playoffs. he had qb this year, and still can't do it right in the playoffs. 3 strikes in the playoffs with disgusting coaching. he doesn't deserve head coaching. maybe OC or go back to college.
 
thunderkyss said:
That's the same matchup I thought we stacked well against Indy. Clowney, Watt, & Mercilus should have been able to put more pressure on Luck than they did.

I understand they "invested" I their OL. But with Watt & Clowney playing as well as they did this season, should have been an equalizer for us.
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That's the problem, coach RAC didn't set them up for success. He tried to rely solely on their athleticism verses scheming and bringing pressure. Man I don't recall seeing any stunts, delayed blitz from the LB's, or perfectly timed blitzes from the safeties/cornerbacks. He allowed Luck the luxury of operating in a clean pocket without any real threat.

I watched the Colts and Chiefs game and the Chiefs brought the pressure and brought it often. When they didn't bring it, their front were able to get pressure, get into passing lanes and batted Lucks passes down. That offensive line didn't look like the world beaters from the week before.
 
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Earl34 said:
If it's as simple as what a good GM can do for a team. Why did the same Browns' roster fail with experienced offensive coordinators like Hue Jackson and Todd Haley and succeed with an unknown OC like Kitchens? Why did a Rams roster built by Jeff Fisher and their GM field one of the worst offenses and now McVay and the same GM field one of the best offenses in the NFL?

When it comes to O'Brien, you keep wanting to separate the wheat from the chaff. The failures of the Texans are a team effort. Owner, GM and HC should all share in the credit or blame.
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Earl love can be blinding sometimes .
 
Earl34 said:
I guess O’Brien can pull the Ricky excuse for the next four years. In the salary cap era, quality depth is hard to find and even harder to keep.

Also, what good is quality depth if the coaches are not using a rotation to maximize the talent? For example, while Coutee was hurt, Carter was part of the game plan. Hopkins is injured, Coutee returns, Texans are running 3 and 4 WR sets, yet Carter disappeared from the game plan. Isn’t Carter quality depth?
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Let them have a complete draft before making this post. I said in the beginning that this was a three year mini rebuild. Nothing that has happened this year has changed my mind. Two more offseasons.

BTW, Carter and Coutee are both slot guys and you can only play them together when you go 4 wide.
 
dream_team said:
Two more seasons of blaming Rick... woohoo! Can't wait!
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Its all part of the plan, you see by that time Watson will be coming off his rookie contract and, if he keeps playing like he is, will be ready for that franchise QB money. That will drain all the cap space and then we can say that the team sucks because we didn't have the cap space to sign veterans because of Watson's contract. See you have to plan your excuses long term in the NFL to survive as a Head Coach. :troll:
 
Agreed Gary! But honestly as long as OB is HC this team won't be going anywhere other than a Holiday Inn Express.
 
gary said:
Maybe so. I just don’t see much better options right now but maybe there will be down the line.
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Exactly, everyone talking about replace BoB hasn't given a realistic alternative. They've mentioned people they think would be good or that they would like to get but with pretty much all of them you have to ask the question "Why would they leave their current job to come coach the Texans?"
 
maverick512000 said:
Exactly, everyone talking about replace BoB hasn't given a realistic alternative. They've mentioned people they think would be good or that they would like to get but with pretty much all of them you have to ask the question "Why would they leave their current job to come coach the Texans?"
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The truth is coaching is very much a crapshoot in any sport.
 
maverick512000 said:
Exactly, everyone talking about replace BoB hasn't given a realistic alternative. They've mentioned people they think would be good or that they would like to get but with pretty much all of them you have to ask the question "Why would they leave their current job to come coach the Texans?"
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Only coach that was available to be hired that I would have strongly considered was Arian's. He apparently wanted Watson real bad in the draft until the Texans jumped in front of them. So he has already envisioned a way to utilize Watson, plus I knew the staff he was going to put in place was going to be top notch.

Would have seriously had to overhaul our Oline though, as Arian's offensive philosophy is deep down field routes, and he historically gives very little help to his line in order to put more players out in routes.
 
maverick512000 said:
Its all part of the plan, you see by that time Watson will be coming off his rookie contract and, if he keeps playing like he is, will be ready for that franchise QB money. That will drain all the cap space and then we can say that the team sucks because we didn't have the cap space to sign veterans because of Watson's contract. See you have to plan your excuses long term in the NFL to survive as a Head Coach. :troll:
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Absolutely. As I said a year ago 4-12 allowed them to reset the bar so they could start the cycle all over again. They may have not been expecting those 5 plays that could have went either way this season that resulted in 11 wins this year instead of 6. Makes the excuses a little tougher next year...
 
maverick512000 said:
Exactly, everyone talking about replace BoB hasn't given a realistic alternative. They've mentioned people they think would be good or that they would like to get but with pretty much all of them you have to ask the question "Why would they leave their current job to come coach the Texans?"
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Every good coach in the NFL was an unknown commodity as an NFL head coach at some point in their career. I agree that there is not an "obvious" replacement available, that we would all agree is a significant upgrade. We had to go through 6 or 7 QBs before we found Watson as the right guy. We didn't "know" he would be the right guy, but we knew the other guys weren't, so we kept trying. We're at the same point with O'Brien. We don't know who the next good coach is, but we do know at this point it is not him. The sooner we start trying other guys as head coach the sooner we will have a chance of finally finding the right guy. I'd rather go through 2 or 3 failures trying, than end up like Cincinnati with 15 years wasted with the wrong guy. Now thats just me. I'm sure there are many fans who would be happy with 15 years of being the best or second best team in a 4 team division and a joke in the playoffs. I'd rather have the ups and downs and a shot at finally doing something in the playoffs.
 
maverick512000 said:
Exactly, everyone talking about replace BoB hasn't given a realistic alternative. They've mentioned people they think would be good or that they would like to get but with pretty much all of them you have to ask the question "Why would they leave their current job to come coach the Texans?"
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So just stick with the crap we have? No one knows if the next guy, whoever that may be, would be better or worse. What we do know is what we've seen for 5 years. And that's not good enough.
 
Speedy said:
So just stick with the crap we have? No one knows if the next guy, whoever that may be, would be better or worse. What we do know is what we've seen for 5 years. And that's not good enough.
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ColeThornton said:
Every good coach in the NFL was an unknown commodity as an NFL head coach at some point in their career. I agree that there is not an "obvious" replacement available, that we would all agree is a significant upgrade. We had to go through 6 or 7 QBs before we found Watson as the right guy. We didn't "know" he would be the right guy, but we knew the other guys weren't, so we kept trying. We're at the same point with O'Brien. We don't know who the next good coach is, but we do know at this point it is not him. The sooner we start trying other guys as head coach the sooner we will have a chance of finally finding the right guy. I'd rather go through 2 or 3 failures trying, than end up like Cincinnati with 15 years wasted with the wrong guy. Now thats just me. I'm sure there are many fans who would be happy with 15 years of being the best or second best team in a 4 team division and a joke in the playoffs. I'd rather have the ups and downs and a shot at finally doing something in the playoffs.
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Again did nobody read what I wrote. The question is who is this suppose "next guy" and why would they want to come here to coach. I realize some people are at the point of "anybody but O'Brien" but HC jobs don't work that way. Coaches are even harder to get than QBs because you can't draft a coach. Then if you keep going through them, as some are saying do, your organization gets a rep for replacing coaches at the drop of a hat and then you end up with whatever wannabe couldn't get a gig elsewhere. Players get traded all the time and still draw a paycheck but coaches have to quite their current job and roll the dice every time they switch jobs.

Meanwhile you are wasting the prime years of your best players so that by the time you do supposely find this "right guy" boom your players are done so you have to rebuild the team. Of course by the time you've rebuilt the team it's been 3-5 years and now guess what people are again saying you aren't the right guy for the job so get a new coach. And thus the great circle of crap is complete.

I agree there comes a time when you have to move on, not sure I agree yet that time has come for BoB, but it's not as easy as moving on from a player. Assuming we have a good off season, and if we don't that's a whole different discussion, then I say give it another year.
 
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Speedy said:
So just stick with the crap we have? No one knows if the next guy, whoever that may be, would be better or worse. What we do know is what we've seen for 5 years. And that's not good enough.
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Gotta give Gaine/BOB a chance.
 
maverick512000 said:
Again did nobody read what I wrote. The question is who is this suppose "next guy" and why would they want to come here to coach. I realize some people are at the point of "anybody but O'Brien" but HC jobs don't work that way. Coaches are even harder to get than QBs because you can't draft a coach. Then if you keep going through them, as some are saying do, your organization gets a rep for replacing coaches at the drop of a hat and then you end up with whatever wannabe couldn't get a gig elsewhere. Players get traded all the time and still draw a paycheck but coaches have to quite their current job and roll the dice every time they switch jobs.

Meanwhile you are wasting the prime years of your best players so that by the time you do supposely find this "right guy" boom your players are done so you have to rebuild the team. Of course by the time you've rebuilt the team it's been 3-5 years and now guess what people are again saying you aren't the right guy for the job so get a new coach. And thus the great circle of crap is complete.

I agree there comes a time when you have to move on, not sure I agree yet that time has come for BoB, but it's not as easy as moving on from a player. Assuming we have a good off season, and if we don't that's a whole different discussion, then I say give it another year.
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It's not like OB was hired a couple of years ago and it's time to flip him for something else. We're not going through coaches like water. He's been here 5 years!!

I've already asked this question somewhere around here, as HC, what's different with OB now than in his 1st couple of years? The answer is not a lot. Other than finally having a QB that is an athletic, escape artist freak of nature, there's been very little, if any, growth to OB's offense or him as a HC.

They go get speedy players (Lamar Miller) and misuse his speed. Hell, he finally gets a Deshaun Watson, works with him all off-season and camp, and still gives the keys to Savage. They spend 2 draft picks on TEs in a draft they couldn't even start until round 3, and those guys were virtually non-existent all season. WTF??

The guy might be a great guy to play for, keeps that locker room and all that, but he's shit for a talent evaluator. Rick Smith, Bill O'Brien, Brian Gaine, I don't care who it is getting the talent, this guy has no freaking clue how to utilize that talent. FOR FIVE YEARS!!!

He brought in a string of crap QBs for 3 years, actually had a decent o-line when he started that he's turned into one of the worst in football. I seriously can't comprehend how anybody defends this guy! No, he's not horrible, he's not Hue Jackson bad, but he ain't good. Far from it.

I know they aren't changing anything so all of this back and forth is a moot point. Maybe they get Watson to a point in his career where he's not constantly trying to be Houdini before that career gets past it's prime...or ends prematurely. Maybe. Sure hate to waste the career of Deshaun freaking Watson because Bill O'Brien is the worst guru to be called a guru ever.
 
maverick512000 said:
Exactly, everyone talking about replace BoB hasn't given a realistic alternative. They've mentioned people they think would be good or that they would like to get but with pretty much all of them you have to ask the question "Why would they leave their current job to come coach the Texans?"
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I hate the argument that no one is out there.

Since O’Brien has been here these coaches have all been hired by other teams and are better than we have:

Very good coaches:

Sean Mcvay
Frank Reich
Doug Pederson
Kyle Shanahan
Bruce Arians

Coaches that are not necessarily what I want but still better than Bill O’Brien:

Matt Nagy
Anthony Lynn
Mike Zimmer
Mike Vrabel

They are out there, you just have to look and be prepared to grab one.
 
DBCooper said:
I hate the argument that no one is out there.
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I hate the argument because it is irrelevant. As fans we are the Texan's customers. If I eat at a restaurant and the food is no good and the service is bad, I know they need a new cook and waiter, but it's not my job to find them! If something goes wrong with "my" business, it's my job to fix it. The team is responsible for finding the right personnel, just like every other business. It's fun to discuss who the options are but it certainly isn't a requirement to find the right guy before pointing out the existing coach has had his chance and failed.
 
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ColeThornton said:
I hate the argument because it is irrelevant. As fans we are the Texan's customers. If I eat at a restaurant and the food is no good and the service is bad, I know they need a new cook and waiter, but it's not my job to find them! If something goes wrong with "my" business, it's my job to fix it. The team is responsible for finding the right personnel, just like every other business. It's fun to discuss who the options are but it certainly isn't a requirement to point out the existing coach has had his chance and failed.
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Clearly you've never owned a restaurant. Also hate to break it to you but as a customer you actually only have one part of any business you can control. If and when you spend your time and money. We as fans do not have the right to tell Cal he has to hire or fire anybody, it's not our money. The Texans don't owe you a winning team and Houston doesn't deserve a championship any more than any other city. If you don't like it then it's very simple, don't watch the games, don't go to the games and don't buy any of the merchandise. That's the only real voice you have.

People say he has failed as though it's a forgone conclusion and everybody that disagrees with them is wrong. It's one of the biggest problems with our society today is no one is willing to accept that they might just be wrong and the other side might just have a point.

Nevermind all the "experts" that are praising him for the season overall. Not saying they are right either but the point is for everyone calling for his head there are just as many saying what a great job he did. Neither side is right and neither side is wrong though you couldn't tell either way from these boards.

There are a lot things I like about BoB as a coach and there are a lot things I dislike. That playoff game was an embarrassment but that 9 game win streak was awesome. You can't talk about one and ignore the other just because it better fits your narrative.

Also some times it's the coach and sometimes it's the org. Everyone talks about Belichick and he's earned the praise but go ask Cleveland if he is the sure fire key to success. On the other hand how many on here have said we were stupid to let Kubiak go because he went on to win a SB with Denver. If BoB did the same would you still feel the same?
 
maverick512000 said:
Clearly you've never owned a restaurant. Also hate to break it to you but as a customer you actually only have one part of any business you can control. If and when you spend your time and money.
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And in the Houston area there's over a thousand other restaurants where I can go, but only 1 NFL team.

maverick512000 said:
We as fans do not have the right to tell Cal he has to hire or fire anybody, it's not our money.
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I'll never speak to Cal but I've got every right to say whatever I want about his team. The day they used my tax dollars to build his place of business gave me more of a right to critique his team than any other business I didn't help pay for.

maverick512000 said:
The Texans don't owe you a winning team and Houston doesn't deserve a championship any more than any other city.
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And they act like it as they prove it every year!

maverick512000 said:
If you don't like it then it's very simple, don't watch the games, don't go to the games and don't buy any of the merchandise. That's the only real voice you have.
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Funny you would say that in a conversation where I'm proving I do have another real voice, obviously you noticed as you responded.

maverick512000 said:
People say he has failed as though it's a forgone conclusion and everybody that disagrees with them is wrong.
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It is a forgone conclusion! They stated what the goals were when he was hired and he's failed! I didn't state the goals they did! There is no question he has not achieved what he was hired to do... but by golly there is an endless supply of excuses and those content to accept his failure.

maverick512000 said:
Nevermind all the "experts" that are praising him for the season overall. Not saying they are right either but the point is for everyone calling for his head there are just as many saying what a great job he did. Neither side is right and neither side is wrong though you couldn't tell either way from these boards... That playoff game was an embarrassment but that 9 game win streak was awesome. You can't talk about one and ignore the other just because it better fits your narrative.
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Not at all I'll be happy to discuss the regular season. All it takes to make the playoffs in the "regular season" is being better than 3 teams... THREE TEAMS! This year the Texans didn't even have to do that because they sure weren't better than the Colts. They made the playoffs by being better than Jacksonville and Tennessee and were embarrassed at home in the playoffs by another team in their own division, a team that was dismantled the next week. The way the Texans played against the Colts there were probably 10 other teams in the league that didn't make the playoffs that would have also beaten them that day. O'Brien didn't have them ready to play and he admitted it! The goal of the regular season is to make the playoffs then we see how good you "really" are. If they had finished 8-8 and made the playoffs they would have said the record doesn't mean much it's all about making the playoffs. They said it at 9-7 so 11 wins doesn't mean much either if it's against weak teams playing a 4th place schedule and you choke in the playoffs... again! How many times does one have to see this movie before they know the ending?

maverick512000 said:
Also some times it's the coach and sometimes it's the org. Everyone talks about Belichick and he's earned the praise but go ask Cleveland if he is the sure fire key to success.
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It's amazing the length some will go to defend O'Brien. We're having a conversation about a coach that's 1-3 in the playoffs and you bring up Belichick! What's next are you going to compare Alfred Blue to Earl Campbell. There's no mystery here, O'Brien has confessed, how many times does he have to tell you it's his fault before you realize he is telling the truth.
 
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All I can say is 5 years. And I guess some are content with possibly going the Bengals route. Held onto that coach for way too long. Smh and they don't have any hardware to show off.

So yeah hold on faithful ones to this below average to mediocrity head coach. He'll get it right one day.
 
Texansballer74 said:
All I can say is 5 years. And I guess some are content with possibly going the Bengals route. Held onto that coach for way too long. Smh and they don't have any hardware to show off.

So yeah hold on faithful ones to this below average to mediocrity head coach. He'll get it right one day.
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I don't think anyone is content for going the Bengal route. There is nothing we can do about the mediocre head coach but b!tch about it. Some don't want to concentrate on that
 
steelbtexan said:
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I'm all for giving OB and Gaine a chance this season. OB's had 5 seasons and we can all agree it was an oil and water kind of thing between him and RS. I liked what Gaine did with a handcuffed draft but OB still did things that baffle the life out of most football fans.....and what disappoints more than anything....it's the same damn things that baffled us for the previous 4 seasons. Regardless of who the Texans hired as GM, OB should have improved himself as a HC/OC and he hasn't done this. 4-12 last season and 11-5 this season based on next season's schedule, there's not to many fans in Houston that are thinking SB or bust. More like 8-8 could be a really good season.

My biggest concern, OB seems content on being the HC/OC once again in 2019 and having Devlin on his staff as OL Coach. For this reason and this reason alone, I'd almost demand that he be replaced b/c he's under some impression that he and his staff are just a few players away from scheduling a trip to the AFCCG.

If OB wants the staff and jobs to remain untouched for 2019....Gaine should let him know that this will be his last season to deliver. Fail and you're out b/c if Gaine delivers another solid draft, there's got to be a new HC and staff to take this team to the next level.
 
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ColeThornton said:
And in the Houston area there's over a thousand other restaurants where I can go, but only 1 NFL team.



I'll never speak to Cal but I've got every right to say whatever I want about his team. The day they used my tax dollars to build his place of business gave me more of a right to critique his team than any other business I didn't help pay for.



And they act like it as they prove it every year!



Funny you would say that in a conversation where I'm proving I do have another real voice, obviously you noticed as you responded.



It is a forgone conclusion! They stated what the goals were when he was hired and he's failed! I didn't state the goals they did! There is no question he has not achieved what he was hired to do... but by golly there is an endless supply of excuses and those content to accept his failure.



Not at all I'll be happy to discuss the regular season. All it takes to make the playoffs in the "regular season" is being better than 3 teams... THREE TEAMS! This year the Texans didn't even have to do that because they sure weren't better than the Colts. They made the playoffs by being better than Jacksonville and Tennessee and were embarrassed at home in the playoffs by another team in their own division, a team that was dismantled the next week. The way the Texans played against the Colts there were probably 10 other teams in the league that didn't make the playoffs that would have also beaten them that day. O'Brien didn't have them ready to play and he admitted it! The goal of the regular season is to make the playoffs then we see how good you "really" are. If they had finished 8-8 and made the playoffs they would have said the record doesn't mean much it's all about making the playoffs. They said it at 9-7 so 11 wins doesn't mean much either if it's against weak teams playing a 4th place schedule and you choke in the playoffs... again! How many times does one have to see this movie before they know the ending?



It's amazing the length some will go to defend O'Brien. We're having a conversation about a coach that's 1-3 in the playoffs and you bring up Belichick! What's next are you going to compare Alfred Blue to Earl Campbell. There's no mystery here, O'Brien has confessed, how many times does he have to tell you it's his fault before you realize he is telling the truth.
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First hate to be the give you the bad news but most businesses are either built or supported by tax dollars. Ever heard of a govt. small business loan or even a tax break, when wal-mart or Target or other big franchises get built they get incentives from the towns/cities to build there. I can't tell you all the breaks Exxon got for building their new HQ in Spring. So you may not see it but yeah your tax dollars go to a part of pretty much everything built. At least if the owners do their research.

Also the tax dollars went to build the stadium, the McNair's don't own the stadium its owned by the Harris County Sports and Convention Corporation, that's why things like the rodeo can be held there. So no you don't have any right to tell them how to run their team which they do own, at the cost of 700 million FYI. If you want to claim to be a part owner of an NFL team go buy some land in Greenbay, their team is owned by the public.

To your next point, there is nothing in this world that is a foregone conclusion except death and taxes and that last one is still debatable. By your way of thinking every team that doesn't make the playoffs or loses the first game in the playoffs is a failure and should fire their coach. You are basing most of your failure argument on one game and yes based just on that he is a failure, but tell me when they were 7 games into the winning streak were you saying they were a failure? You say "be better than 3 teams" has though that's all it takes, well three of the four teams were not better than three teams and the AFC south was the toughest division in all of the NFL this season based solely on win/lose record since that seems to be all that matters.

I do agree that he didn't have them ready, and have said as much if you had bothered to read anything I've posted, but I also know that any manager of any business worth the title is the first to come out when things go pear shaped and say "This is on me" whether it is or isn't. Its called being a leader and while I don't think BoB is a good game planner I do think he is a good leader. He doesn't air dirty laundry, takes the blame, at least in public and the team seems to love him. What about the fact that we went 14 points in the hole so fact I honestly though my phone had messed up when it updated the score. BoB doesn't do anything with the defense yet few on here are calling for RACs head. We wouldn't have even played that game if the D could have even slowed Philly down.

Lastly as far as me defending BoB this is what is annoying the hell out of me with all you people just calling for his head. Anyone that doesn't jump right up and join the lynch mob gets called an OB supporter. Maybe, just maybe, its that I don't think all our problems can magically be fixed by just replacing the HC, maybe its because I don't like the idea of waiting another 3-5 years for any new HC to get their system and players in place while Watson and Hopkins lose their prime playing years, maybe its because I'm realistic enough to not expect a coach to be able to pull a championship out of their ass with any players they are given.

P.S. I brought Belichick up because go look at his record pre-Tom Brady, he was average at best and in Cleveland he sucked as a coach, one winning season in the 4 years there which played a part in them moving to Baltimore. It's almost like having a HOF QB makes coaches look good.
 
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P.S. I brought Belichick up because go look at his record pre-Tom Brady, he was average at best and in Cleveland he sucked as a coach, one winning season in the 4 years there which played a part in them moving to Baltimore. It's almost like having a HOF QB makes coaches look good.
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Bit of context needed to judge Belichick in Cleveland. Think there was more to it than he simply sucked there.

He dragged them kicking and screaming into the playoffs before the franchise went full lame duck on its way out of town.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Bit of context needed to judge Belichick in Cleveland. Think there was more to it than he simply sucked there.

He dragged them kicking and screaming into the playoffs before the franchise went full lame duck on its way out of town.
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He also set up the foundation of that team that won its first SB under the Baltimore Ravens.

We're still waiting for OB to come up with an offense.
 
Eitheryou like O’Brien as a coach or you don’t. Watch the Texans and deal with him as coach or stop watching the Texans because the rest is out of our control. As far as the NFL goes the Texans will always be my favorite team.
 
gary said:
Eitheryou like O’Brien as a coach or you don’t. Watch the Texans and deal with him as coach or stop watching the Texans because the rest is out of our control. As far as the NFL goes the Texans will always be my favorite team.
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Oorrr fans can still watch while voicing their displeasure, as is their prerogative..
 
gary said:
Either you like O’Brien as a coach or you don’t. Watch the Texans and deal with him as coach or stop watching the Texans because the rest is out of our control. As far as the NFL goes the Texans will always be my favorite team.
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See I don't believe its so cut and dry and that those are the only choices. It is possible to like some parts of how he does the job and dislike other parts. I like how he has the respect of the team, I don't like the job he does as an OC. I like how he gets good games out of shitty QBs, I don't like how he can't seem to judge when someone is a shitty QB before putting them on the field. Just a couple of examples.

You are right though ultimately it is out of our control and it doesn't affect my overall enjoyment of the Texans or football.
 
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