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Why Do I feel Disappointed For Some Reason?
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They had one great draft that made that organization and Noll
I happen to agree with you actually. But the die was cast when RS took a leave of absence and Gaine hired. Time to accept that and hope that year 2/3 will see the improvements we all want to see
FuzzyLogic
Mathematically Possible
And none of that negates the point - Noll's first three seasons were terrible, in today's NFL he probably never sees that 4th season - I really wish people would stop trying to compare coaches, era's, etc. it just really can't be done as every situation, era is different.
The point was after THREE seasons I doubt anyone in Pittsburg was standing around saying - "well we have lost 30 games in 3 (14 game) seasons, but man just give him a few more years and we'll win 4 of the next 6 SB's".
No - I bet if they had a forum at the time it would have had a FIRE CHUCK NOLL NOW!!! thread.
I dont feel this way at all. What makes you think he's going to screw up? He only messed up the Pats game this yr by not asking for a replay. I get that you dont like the offense and I dont like Watson playing tailback, but this is the offense many on this MB are asking for. Remember the Turn Watson loose thread?
I remain hopeful that Watson can stay healthy and the OL will get fixed this offseason, but this season the offense is what it is.
And had a great F.O. that nailed multiple HOF'ers in a single draft. Did Noll have anything to do with that? Not really, Dick Haley was the personnel guy that people give the credit too. In fact Todd Haley got the OC job with the Steelers due to his dad's role in the Steeler championship teams.
Rick Smith was no Dick Haley.
PapaL
Loose Screw
I was talking about the defense but ok, let's move this target and talk offense. You think the play calling has been the best it could be for this point in the season? The OL problems have been well documented. In your opinion has the playcalling done all it can do to minimize and hide our biggest weakness?
Yes
We dont know because of a dysfunctional franchise. They are no longer a dysfunctional franchise and I cant wait to see this play out in the next couple of yrs as more talent is added.
11-5 with this OL and skill position guys he had to work with means BOB did a great job. IMHO
What more did you expect at the beginning of the yr. What would it take for you to change your mind? Anything less than a SB this yr?
I think I think this, but have accepted that it is a 99% chance that it will after 2020 before O'Brien is in consideration to not be the coach of the Texans. Go figure, I was wrong that this is a playoff team (especially after 0-3) so I presume that I might be wrong that BOB cannot grow as a coach and figure out the OL.
I expected a below average offense and a good defense, which is what we got. I didn't expect as many wins, but there were a lot of close ones that could have gone either way. Unfortunately I think our chances of making real noise in the playoffs are low until we fix the remaining weaknesses (one of which is OB)
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
The bolded is the point genius...The edges collapse too damn fast most times & DW4 doesn't have time to sit back & let **** develop for deep shots. Those multiple fake plays hold the defense on the edges & in the middle & keep them from just teeing off on our clearly inferior o-line.
Aside from that, those multi fake pass plays are mostly effective & i''m gonna go out on a limb and say a fairly substantial amount of chunk pass plays and real deep shots that we hit on come off of those types of plays. This goes back to last year when we 1st saw them utilized with DW4.
Was it next level stupid coaching then when the offense was putting up 30 pts a game & DW4 hit Fuller for a 50 yd bomb TD in the KC game last year? How about when he hit Fuller again in the SEA game for a 30 yd TD strike off the same type of play? Hell, what about when he hit Nuk for a 50 yd TD strike just 3 games ago against the Jets off of one of those types of plays? There's a reason why he keeps utilizing them..b/c they work & they allow us to mask the deficiencies we have of a porous offensive line, spotty run game & depleted WR corps. Without them we wouldn't even be ranked where we are in 20+ & 40+ yard pass completions....which is middle of the pack. How you or some of these "imaginary dumb people" i'm apparently arguing with don't understand that is beyond me & its just the latest example of how a few of you cannot remain objective when it comes to BoB.
I would like to see what happens when Gaine/BOB are able to do with draft picks/cap space. If BOB can win with this group then imagine how good they can be after adding true talent on the OL/WR/CB.
Great post
Some people will not be happy until BOB is gone, even if they win a SB they wont admit they were wrong. I think it strangely has to do with somekind of weird undying affection for all things Kubiak.
They cant have BOB being a better HC with this org than Kubiak was.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Of course you didn't expect as many wins b/c it doesn't flow with your narrative about BoB....but who am i kidding, you're the same guy calling our defense good...a defense ranked in the 20's in passing and bottoms in the red zone.
I guess we'll see. If we have the same offense and ol issues next year a change must be made. Hopefully Watson survives another year of these hits
The defense will end the season a top 10 unit and the offense like 21st.
The last game was illustrative of that
Strangely, this is not a Texans thing only. When I here Cowboy fans talk Jason G. I can replace BOB in every sentence including there is not win total or accomplishment where the conclusion isn't our coach sucks.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Lol, the last game was illustrative that they play well against subpar offenses and qbs...What we know is that the defense has wasted the 3 greatest performances by DW4's career b/c they couldn't stop anyone when it mattered. You keep on keeping on with your trash DVOA stat though...
And the offense is subpar pretty much all the time vs only sometimes with the defense.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
You mean the edges that didn't pause one bit and crashed on Watson? You're as observant as OB.
There's a reason double fake moves are rare in the NFL.
You're a hopeless coach defender. Good day.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Except that's not even close to accurate illustrated by every concievable offensive metric you want to point to except maybe rushing the ball. But Hell even according to your garbage metric the offense has been better than the defense over the last 6 weeks of the season....
TEAM
WK 11-16 OFFENSE DVOA Rk DEFENSE DVOA Rk S.T. DVOA Rk TOTAL DVOA Rk TOTAL DVOA WK 1-10 Rk
HOU -1.3% 15 3.9% 18 5.6% 7 0.3% 18 8.0% 12
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-ratings/2018/week-16-dvoa-ratings
but those of us who really have been paying attention have kinda already known that this defense was a paper tiger. Guys like you are only looking to proliferate a narrative that was garbage from the beginning.
Coming from a hopeless never ending coaching critic, I’m sure he will have a really nice day.
Texazan
Our HOF 34
As bad as the OL is, the loose secondary and teams having more film on DW4 I had them at 8-8....maybe, maybe 9-7 and then they went 0-3....I figured 6-10 or 5-11 so yea they far exceeded my expectations. 48 year HST sports fan here so I get the anxiousness to win it all or go DEEP into the playoffs but that probably isn't this team but we'll see.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Lol, suck it up little guy, you'll be ok.
This is true for every team not named the Patriots about every year...but chit happens... see the NYG
So obvious isn't it.
He cant get over the fact the team had it's 2nd most successful season with BOB as HC. Despite all kinds of obstacles in the path. I think he was actually rooting against the Texans and BOB in particular this yr. We all know what's most important in his life. #BEING RIGHT
Thanks for being realistic.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Unfortunately with the naysayers & critics that's just how they eventually get proven right...keep moving those goalposts.....keep throwing **** up on the wall...eventually something will stick. that is never more true than with this subject in particular b/c we all know HC's are hired to be fired & BoB will surely get the ax at some point.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Have we been watching the same games? The defense is the reason we are playing this week instead of sitting at home watching Brady get pushed into the ground. Also everyone talks about have the colts have our number because Luck will run the table on us, well who's job is it to stop Luck? Don't get me wrong I love Watt and the boys on D but the fact is they have not been playing to their full talent level. Against the run game yeah they are stopping that but playoffs are about the QB and the air game and they haven't even made top tier QBs pause this season.
I don't like BoB as OC but that's because he keeps running Miller up the middle and not factoring in how little the O line can protect Watson. Yet everyone on here talks about how Luck will light us up or Mahomes or Brady or Brees or (insert choice QB). Thats not on the OC, BoB or otherwise, that's on the D and DC. You want to argue the buck stops with BoB as HC then fine you may can argue that but at least be fair in the judgement and realize that our D has not carried this team all this year. Its been one giant game of leap frog where some games the O carries the team and sometimes the D does. Honestly from that point of view its a pretty balanced team with just a few weaknesses.
Well that link shows the offense at 15th and the defense at 18th for weeks 11-15. So at best youre showing both units are average.
I'm perfectly willing to believe the defense has come down a bit (had peaked at #3 and fell to #7 now).
That said, if you don't want dvoa, then just look at the fact that the defense is top 5 in points allowed. The offense is like 18th in TDs despite getting great field position much of the year.
And it also matters that O'Brien regularly puts Watsons health at risk. That alone is fireable.
An additional point is that much of the NFL is seeing an offensive explosion. Even with Watson and Hopkins, the Texans not so much.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
you mean that offensive explosion in the passing that game that we can't seem to do much about on defense? lol. You're just reaching at this point.
& FYI, 18 ain't average homie..its subpar. but keep on keeping on with the
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What are they ranked when facing top tier QB's instead of the Bortles of the world? They aren't going to be facing the Jags and Bortles type QB's in the playoffs.
you mean that offensive explosion in the passing that game that we can't seem to do much about on defense? lol. You're just reaching at this point.
& FYI, 18 ain't average homie..its subpar. but keep on keeping on with the
Especially if they were the defensive juggernauts some on this MB claim they are.
bigmck
Rookie
Are you sure a SB would change anyone's mind on this Board? I don't think that it would make a difference.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
It wouldn’t.
People would complain that we didn’t win it during the Brady’s prime. Or Manning’s. Or Aikman’s. Or Montana’s. Or Bradshaw’s. Or Stabauch’s. Or Unitas’. Or Starr’s.
What a pitiful team.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Or that we didn't do it in a spectacular & exciting fashion scoring 389709 a game.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Color me in the anti-bob group but it has nothing to do with Kubiak. Finding a Hall of Fame caliber Head Coach is really no different than finding a Hall of Fame caliber franchise QB. Takes vision, character, utter brilliance and a lot of luck. Texans have found their Hall of Fame Caliber, franchise QB, but that coach is as elusive as the former for this Texan franchise. Can't speak for the players but I sure wouldn't want to play for the guy, players don't seem to mind because their passion for their game and love for teammates overcomes his inept approach to everything an NFL coach is supposed to do. If winning the AFC South is enough for some that's fine along with love for players but whole reason it doesn't appease me is I just know, Bill O'Brian is an impediment too much for them to overcome.
It's Cal's team now, unknown is there so forecasting is pointless. Would just hope he has the vision and smarts to realize this before it ruins or ends current Texan players playing career's.
Lets give Gaine a couple of full offseasons before making this judgement.
I personally like the fact that Watson/BOB are on the same page and the team did something only 6 teams in NFL history have done. (Make the playoffs after starting 0-3.) This speaks well of BOB's leadership.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
This maybe true, but it just points out the obvious, to win O'Brian relies on his players to overcome his shortcoming's, ie., lack of adapting to defensive coordinator's across the field when they take away his bread and butter
This maybe true, but it just points out the obvious, to win O'Brian relies on his players to overcome his shortcoming's, ie., lack of adapting to defensive coordinator's across the field when they take away his bread and butter
Yet they scored the 2nd most points in franchise history (Within 14 pts from 1st place) Not bad considering the OL and a hurt WR/RB corps.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Like when O'Brian came over to Watson seating on the sidelines having learning session with assistant, waving his arms and yelling @ him so he had to stand up and confront his Head Coaches accusations (assuming) then calmly sit back down and return to playbook analysis with assistant coach, as Bill turned and walked abruptly around?
Like he named Savage the starter over Watson?
Like he named Mallet the starter over Hoyer?
Like yadayadayada, he's self possessed, short tempered, arrogant, doesn't know how to treat people at least like we do down here in the South and is just not a good fit. Gaine needs to address his thoughts and feelings with Cal after the season, in private, and take a real hard look at the future of this franchise, with or without O'Brian.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
This maybe true, but it just points out the obvious, to win O'Brian relies on his players to overcome his shortcoming's, ie., lack of adapting to defensive coordinator's across the field when they take away his bread and butter
Lol...now this....this is saying something...a HC.....relies on his players to overcome his shortcomings.....nevermind the fact that his shortcomings are directly related & in large part due to the shortcomings of the guys on the field....It only works one way according to you.
Ya'll act like BoB is out here calling hail mary plays in the red zone or something.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
When did that happen?[/QUOTE]
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
beerlover
Hall of Fame
He’s going to get Watson and Hopkins Killed. Besides teams know shutdown Hopkins and force Watson to run. Sad thing is he might be safer running than hanging in the pocket.
I'm not the most sunny guy and I was sticking a fork in this team at 0-3. That's when I was disappointed.
I let that shit go after 9 straight wins and just started enjoying the ride as a fan.
I'm just stoked that the regular season ends and the Texans are still playing.
I don't have a lot of expectations and hope for Saturday's game, but I'll be excited all week about having a playoff game to watch that I actually care about.
And with this league, it's any given Sunday (or Saturday in our case).
So yeah, have a some fun with it and let your inner Joe Texan out to believe just for an afternoon.
Things could be worse. Heck, I got a free sandwich from Firehouse Subs today! Delicious!
And big picture, how badass is it to finally have a franchise QB that we can look forward to future seasons?! Gotta' dig it.
I let that shit go after 9 straight wins and just started enjoying the ride as a fan.
I'm just stoked that the regular season ends and the Texans are still playing.
I don't have a lot of expectations and hope for Saturday's game, but I'll be excited all week about having a playoff game to watch that I actually care about.
And with this league, it's any given Sunday (or Saturday in our case).
So yeah, have a some fun with it and let your inner Joe Texan out to believe just for an afternoon.
Things could be worse. Heck, I got a free sandwich from Firehouse Subs today! Delicious!
And big picture, how badass is it to finally have a franchise QB that we can look forward to future seasons?! Gotta' dig it.
I think this season Sucked. Big time.
Not because Rick Smith is gone. Not because I finally had to give BO'b cred for doing a good job (as HC).
Not we didn't get the bye.
Not because the Colts beat us at home.
Not because we split with the Titans.
But because week after week steelbtexan had been the voice of hope & I've been in the "sky is falling" camp.
This sucks.
I hope & pray... may even resort to blackmail, that we get an OC next season because I can't do this again. Not for a whole season again.
I just can't.
Not because Rick Smith is gone. Not because I finally had to give BO'b cred for doing a good job (as HC).
Not we didn't get the bye.
Not because the Colts beat us at home.
Not because we split with the Titans.
But because week after week steelbtexan had been the voice of hope & I've been in the "sky is falling" camp.
This sucks.
I hope & pray... may even resort to blackmail, that we get an OC next season because I can't do this again. Not for a whole season again.
I just can't.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Yea, steel blue was freaking me out too.