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**Official Game-Day Thread** Titans at Texans, Monday November 26th, 2018!!

Deshaun in prime time(4 games): 1018 total yards, 14 total TDs, 0 turnovers, 120.4 passer rating, 11.65 rushing Y/A


Demaryius Thomas says he gives Deshaun Watson a hard time about tucking the ball away when he runs. Said he won’t stop bothering him about it. #Texans

— patrick (@PatDStat) November 27, 2018


Think the locker room loves DT. He had a little hype crew cheering him on during his interview led by DeAndre Hopkins and Sammie Coates. #Texans

— patrick (@PatDStat) November 27, 2018


The addition of Demaryius Thomas to the locker room has been welcomed with open arms. Every player that has spoken about him has had nothing but positive things to say about him and the work he has put in since he has arrived. #Texans

— patrick (@PatDStat) November 27, 2018


"I don’t know who ever doubted me. The people that doubted me wanted my juice, I guess. I still got something. " Demaryius Thomas on if he still can still play despite the doubters out there. #Texans

— patrick (@PatDStat) November 27, 2018
 
Vrabel: 4th down play was "something we’ve seen work against them in the past." #Titans pic.twitter.com/ZMYWLwwte9

— Jon Burton (@JonBurton32) November 27, 2018


Mariota on 4th down call: "I loved it." (Stocker) has done a great job for us all year." #Titans

— Jon Burton (@JonBurton32) November 27, 2018


Stocker: "I saw a crease and I thought (I could get the 1st down)." Asked when was the last time carried the ball in a game: "high school." #Titans

— Jon Burton (@JonBurton32) November 27, 2018


Vrabel: "We’re 5-6 coming back home. We have to improve. It starts with me." #Titans

— Jon Burton (@JonBurton32) November 27, 2018

Jayson Braddock

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Whitney Mercilus
0 sacks in first 5 games

3.5 sacks in last 5 games


8:34 PM - Nov 26, 2018
 
zshawn10 said:
Whitney Mercilus
0 sacks in first 5 games

3.5 sacks in last 5 games


8:34 PM - Nov 26, 2018
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Still too much time in coverage, especially a deep LB zone, but it seems Romeo is figuring it out (re-figuring it out?). One play really stood out to me in a negative way and that was Clowney as a spy with Mercilus eating 2 blockers outside. Got that one backwards coach. Clowney has no lateral movement or awareness in space (which showed as being basically a tree), and would've been better at collapsing in a 3-man rush. Mercilus has proven repeatedly to be exceptionally adept as a spy, knowing when to be in the line's face and when to shadow deeper to mess up passing lanes.

Part of me wants to believe that Romeo is holding a lot back for the playoffs, but divisional opponent on Monday night - too early to be getting safe. We did show something amazing though - a 4 man rush. No more 3 wandering linebackers inside of defensive tackles outside, we put our guys where they can get home - and they got home against a solid line and mobile qb.
 
Good win....... the wide receiver depth is scaring me but otherwise I like it........ and I haven’t said that all season........ by the way........ can we agree that this keke Kid is never gonna get healthy enough to help us this season and shut him down and find somebody else who can actually help us?? I mean it’s what.......week 12??? If he ain’t healthy now he ain’t gonna never be healthy........ this dude ain’t been healthy since OTA...... not once...... can’t play 2 consecutive games
 
Scooter said:
Still too much time in coverage, especially a deep LB zone, but it seems Romeo is figuring it out (re-figuring it out?). One play really stood out to me in a negative way and that was Clowney as a spy with Mercilus eating 2 blockers outside. Got that one backwards coach. Clowney has no lateral movement or awareness in space (which showed as being basically a tree), and would've been better at collapsing in a 3-man rush. Mercilus has proven repeatedly to be exceptionally adept as a spy, knowing when to be in the line's face and when to shadow deeper to mess up passing lanes.

Part of me wants to believe that Romeo is holding a lot back for the playoffs, but divisional opponent on Monday night - too early to be getting safe. We did show something amazing though - a 4 man rush. No more 3 wandering linebackers inside of defensive tackles outside, we put our guys where they can get home - and they got home against a solid line and mobile qb.
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You mean the play that Clowney stopped Mariota from running for an easy TD? yea guess that was an awful call lmao. This is the pros buddy, you got to switch up looks, keep the offenses guessing. If you leave Clowney rushing from the right edge, and JJ rushing from the left every snap they are easier to scheme around. When you move them around it makes it impossible, Clowney has collapsed the center of so many lines this year from his stand up, roaming LB spot. Just because he isn't getting home doesnt every time doesn't take away that he collapses the pocket in an instance and ruins the play
 
Shishkabob said:
You mean the play that Clowney stopped Mariota from running for an easy TD? yea guess that was an awful call lmao. This is the pros buddy, you got to switch up looks, keep the offenses guessing. If you leave Clowney rushing from the right edge, and JJ rushing from the left every snap they are easier to scheme around. When you move them around it makes it impossible, Clowney has collapsed the center of so many lines this year from his stand up, roaming LB spot. Just because he isn't getting home doesnt every time doesn't take away that he collapses the pocket in an instance and ruins the play
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I mean the history that Mercilus has turned Mariota and other mobile quarterbacks into putty when made the spy ... not the play where Clowney stood there like an idiot for an easy 5 yd pass inside of the 15. Are you new and ignorant? or just eager to contradict anything I post?

The spy stopped him from running? HOLY CRAP THIS IS THE GREATEST NEW SCHEME EVER!

Easier to scheme around lol. This is the one hole in Romeo's game IMO. He wasn't around when then Patriots got beat by the Giants. It wasn't some epic scheme, it wasn't zone contain. It was a massive front 4 brutalizing the playoffs in the simplest way possible. There was one drive that we did exactly that last night, and it ended in 2 sacks. Edit: crap, we're actually agreeing on this part ... ish.
 
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Scooter said:
I mean the history that Mercilus has turned Mariota and other mobile quarterbacks into putty ... not the play where Clowney stood there like an idiot for an easy 5 yd pass inside of the 15. Are you new and ignorant? or just eager to contradict anything I post?

The spy stopped him from running? HOLY CRAP THIS IS THE GREATEST NEW SCHEME EVER!

Easier to scheme around lol. This is the one hole in Romeo's game IMO. He wasn't around when then Patriots got beat by the Giants. It wasn't some epic scheme, it wasn't zone contain. It was a massive front 4 brutalizing the playoffs in the simplest way possible. There was one drive that we did exactly that last night, and it ended in 2 sacks.
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the fact is your complaining about how RAC used Clowney in a play where Clowney did his job. If you want to start with personal attacks we can stop this conversation right here. I have no need to have a discussion someone who has to resort to attacks instead of formulating an actual argument. But just in case you didn't understand the concept of a message board in your first 14 years here, IT IS TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT DIFFERING OPINIONS. So yes when you say something I disagree with I will respond with my opinion, don't like it? ignore me and move on, or engage in an actual civil discussion.

Why yes the Clowney spy did stop him from running, so why are you complaining about something that worked? No one said it's a new scheme, but it was obviously effective, Clowney apparently has enough lateral agility where the most athletic QB in the league didn't want to test him.

We had 6 sacks last night some came off of RAC's crazy schemes that you seem to hate, obviously what we were doing was working. RAC is one of the best defensive minds in the games for what 2 decades now? Yea I will trust his judgement well before I trust someone like you trying to criticize a play that worked...
 
Shishkabob said:
the fact is your complaining about how RAC used Clowney in a play where Clowney did his job. If you want to start with personal attacks we can stop this conversation right here. I have no need to have a discussion someone who has to resort to attacks instead of formulating an actual argument. But just in case you didn't understand the concept of a message board in your first 14 years here, IT IS TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT DIFFERING OPINIONS. So yes when you say something I disagree with I will respond with my opinion, don't like it? ignore me and move on, or engage in an actual civil discussion.

Why yes the Clowney spy did stop him from running, so why are you complaining about something that worked? No one said it's a new scheme, but it was obviously effective, Clowney apparently has enough lateral agility where the most athletic QB in the league didn't want to test him.

We had 6 sacks last night some came off of RAC's crazy schemes that you seem to hate, obviously what we were doing was working. RAC is one of the best defensive minds in the games for what 2 decades now? Yea I will trust his judgement well before I trust someone like you trying to criticize a play that worked...
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No need. You have an impulse to refute what I say (SKY IS BLUE!!!), and haven't actually produced a football opinion that I can respect ...

I've seen nothing that gives your posts credence, so keep replying to me as you will.
 
Shishkabob said:
Why yes the Clowney spy did stop him from running, so why are you complaining about something that worked? No one said it's a new scheme, but it was obviously effective, Clowney apparently has enough lateral agility where the most athletic QB in the league didn't want to test him.
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Ok this is too dumb for me to let go apparently. Steve from down the street (aka any idiot) could 'stop him from running' by standing in the way several yards deep. The difference is Clowney collapses Mariota INTO Mercilus who has the agility, experience and space awareness to not only take away that passing lane, he takes advantage of Mariota being exposed and takes him down for a loss. Something he's done repeatedly - I think I said that earlier. OR, Merculus gets doubled, Clowney stands there like Steve from down the street like a very tall goober, and Mariota gets an easy check inside the redzone ... but he did his job.
 
Scooter said:
Ok this is too dumb for me to let go apparently. Steve from down the street (aka any idiot) could 'stop him from running' by standing in the way several yards deep. The difference is Clowney collapses Mariota INTO Mercilus who has the agility, experience and space awareness to not only take away that passing lane, he takes advantage of Mariota being exposed and takes him down for a loss. Something he's done repeatedly - I think I said that earlier. OR, Merculus gets doubled, Clowney stands there like Steve from down the street like a very tall goober, and Mariota gets an easy check inside the redzone ... but he did his job.
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Not too sure what your argument is but is it that Clowney didn't stop the pass to Lewis?

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I'm not sure what your argument is, but is that Clowney standing there like a tree 5 yards from the nearest defender and not angling away either check route?

At this point in the play (with proper personnel) Mercilus has closed down to the 12-13yd line and dictated an angle. BECAUSE HE'S DONE IT BEFORE, REPEATEDLY. As of this picture, Mariota has 3 options - easy open field run against a stiff-hipped defensive tackle, and two interior passing options.
 
Scooter said:
I'm not sure what your argument is, but is that Clowney standing there like a tree 5 yards from the nearest defender and not angling away either check route?

At this point in the play (with proper personnel) Mercilus has closed down to the 12-13yd line and dictated an angle. BECAUSE HE'S DONE IT BEFORE, REPEATEDLY. As of this picture, Mariota has 3 options - easy open field run against a stiff-hipped defensive tackle, and two interior passing options.
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More like that’s an iffy playcall on Romeo than anything else. Clowney did his job the best he could given the playcall.
 
Scooter said:
I'm not sure what your argument is, but is that Clowney standing there like a tree 5 yards from the nearest defender and not angling away either check route?

At this point in the play (with proper personnel) Mercilus has closed down to the 12-13yd line and dictated an angle. BECAUSE HE'S DONE IT BEFORE, REPEATEDLY. As of this picture, Mariota has 3 options - easy open field run against a stiff-hipped defensive tackle, and two interior passing options.
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Im not really too sure how he could angle off any pass and cut off the run.
 
Scooter said:
I'm not sure what your argument is, but is that Clowney standing there like a tree 5 yards from the nearest defender and not angling away either check route?

At this point in the play (with proper personnel) Mercilus has closed down to the 12-13yd line and dictated an angle. BECAUSE HE'S DONE IT BEFORE, REPEATEDLY. As of this picture, Mariota has 3 options - easy open field run against a stiff-hipped defensive tackle, and two interior passing options.
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You are acting like Clowney stood still on the line of scrimmage the whole play, he was about 5 yards deeper, came up and broke down when Mariota was going to run, which is text book what he is suppose to do. He is a spy, he is there to stop the threat of Mariota breaking contain and running. Lewis started off line up wide and ran in, behind Clowney's line of vision so how you expect him to know to cut off an angle to a player he isn't expecting to be there is beyond me. The only reason why that play even got close to a 1st down was because the HB hesitated when switching onto lewis after he cut inside, and then took a poor angle on the tackle. Without both of those that is an incompletion or 3 yard gain at max. Solid play call by RAC, solid execution by Clowney, not great execution by the HB.

I really don't think your football acumen is as great as you like to think it is
 
NitroGSXR said:
More like that’s an iffy playcall on Romeo than anything else. Clowney did his job the best he could given the playcall.
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Not the call, the personnel. Clowney can bulldoze a 3-man pocket when given the direct task and Mercilus can turn that play into an at best LOS dump because of his instincts and familiarity as a spy. The call was fine IMO, Romeo just got his players mixed, which is what I said the first time and somehow turned into a thing.
 
Shishkabob said:
You are acting like Clowney stood still on the line of scrimmage the whole play, he was about 5 yards deeper, came up and broke down when Mariota was going to run
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WTF is Clowney doing 5yds deeper, playing safety? I really can't take you seriously.
 
Scooter said:
WTF is Clowney doing 5yds deeper, playing safety? I really can't take you seriously.
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No you just don't want to engage in a discussion because you know you have a leg to stand on. My memory was slightly incorrect, he was 3 yards from the LOS before Mariota forced him to come up, 3-5 yards depth is about average for a player spying the QB. Again if you are so passionate about your stance why not formulate a decent argument, instead of trying to discredit mine with absolutely nothing? Surely someone who has a greater football mind than the guy coaching our defense with his what 50 years experience should easily be able to prove some rando on the internet wrong right?

play starts about the 1:20 mark
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-...rows-from-Mariota-s-near-perfect-game-Week-12
 
Sadly I haven't been able to play NFL videos for years, kinda wish I knew why. I do find it amazing how aggressively you're defending how adept Clowney is at standing infront of a quarterback. In your shoes (as I see them), wouldn't you rather argue why Clowney is being wasted sitting in some crappy short zone than rushing at every opportunity?

Or (again), is it more fun to contradict my every post.
 
Also need to shout out to the defense last night, they started bad and had some guys on here cracking jokes and questioning their capacity (funny after that unit being the strength of the team for most of the year)

Also to the special teams unit(s) .. they have been playing great this year.
 
Scooter said:
Sadly I haven't been able to play NFL videos for years, kinda wish I knew why. I do find it amazing how aggressively you're defending how adept Clowney is at standing infront of a quarterback.
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I find it amazing how you are so aggressive to point out the flaws of 2 people who actually did their job on the play, but ignore the person who almost cause the play to fail

We were in a 3 man front, with Clowney doing his roaming LB thing, he walked down to the A gap between the LG and C, this ended up causing the LG to stay inside thinking Clowney was blitzing leaving Mercilus singled up against the LT to collapse the pocket. Just the threat of Clowney rushing up the middle caused a triple team on Covington and left JJ and Merc singled up, which is one reason why our 3 man front got home so quickly. Merc playing the backer there hasn't commanded nearly the respect this season that Clowney has. Again this plays into what I said earlier about switching up your fronts, changing what you do, it keeps offenses guessing, and forces them into mistakes.
 
Meh, too bored to continue. You're wrong, I'm right, don't care.

I did love the "2 up, 2 down" line that we went with. I'm not sure what's going on with Clowney chasing the play, but his reads are a mess lately. He doesn't seem entirely comfortable, but is most effective inside. I would like to see a game were he plays a 3-5tech with a hand on the ground, if nothing else than an experiment. Clowney is too long and has too much burst and is too strong to really be blocked inside - I would like to see that happen without the use of a blitz.
 
Scooter said:
Meh, too bored to continue. You're wrong, I'm right, don't care.

I did love the "2 up, 2 down" line that we went with. I'm not sure what's going on with Clowney chasing the play, but his reads are a mess lately. He doesn't seem entirely comfortable, but is most effective inside. I would like to see a game were he plays a 3-5tech with a hand on the ground, if nothing else than an experiment. Clowney is too long and has too much burst and is too strong to really be blocked inside - I would like to see that happen without the use of a blitz.
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It seems like Clowney is trying to force it to much this year. I think he has paid attention to the detractors that ask where is his sack numbers, when referencing him in the Donald/Mack convo and he wants to get there. I think that's why we are seeing him jump offsides so often trying to guess the snap, or see him over pursuing. He is way to physically gifted to be doing that stuff, if he just plays the game how he is suppose to those plays will come
 
Clowney's never been much of a pure pass rusher and getting stoned by better tackles is hardly new. That's not his best matchup - he is unmatched in jump, length, strength. He's been figured out and his timing/jump outside is a mess (or penalty) as a result, allowing tackles to set for his length and strength. I think that guards, nomatter how prepared, won't be able to compensate. Let him play with his hand down for a game and see if he can bulldoze the pocket, while allowing standing rush freedom inside in nickel packages.
 
Mariota played mostly dink and dunk, with some plays resulting in long run yardage after the catch. This is not his typical pattern. His neck nerve impingement was likely at work.
 
JB said:
Not at all... not sure which nfl app you're talking about
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—THE— NFL app. Not “a” NFL app. The NFL app.

As I stated yesterday... go to your play store and type in “NFL”. You can’t miss it. It’s the one with the NFL logo.
 
NitroGSXR said:
—THE— NFL app. Not “a” NFL app. The NFL app.

As I stated yesterday... go to your play store and type in “NFL”. You can’t miss it. It’s the one with the NFL logo.
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ok thanks... and it doesn't require a tv provider?
 
JB said:
so you can't stream live games?
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only the ones the NFL channel has the rights to broadcast, and only if you sign in with your subscriber.

You can read articles, and watch clips and highlights without a cable provider, but to watch their live shows and games you need one
 
Shishkabob said:
only the ones the NFL channel has the rights to broadcast, and only if you sign in with your subscriber.

You can read articles, and watch clips and highlights without a cable provider, but to watch their live shows and games you need one
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Yeah I knew all that, but I was talking about finding a new option for streaming and had 2 guys tell me to use NFL... what's the point?
 
JB said:
Yeah I knew all that, but I was talking about finding a new option for streaming and had 2 guys tell me to use NFL... what's the point?
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Whatever is on your TV is STREAMED via the NFL app... Thursday night football, Sunday CBS/FOX/NBC games, Sunday night football, Monday night football. Since you live in the Texans broadcast area... you’ll never miss another Texans game.
 
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NitroGSXR said:
Whatever is on your TV is STREAMED via the NFL app... Thursday night football, Sunday CBS/FOX/NBC games, Sunday night football, Monday night football. Since you live in the Texans broadcast area... you’ll never miss another Texans game.
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even I don't have a tv or cable?
 
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