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FIRE O'BRIEN NOW!!!

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Mr teX said:
Giants fans were beside themselves last year when Ben Mcadoo had the audacity to bench Eli b/c his play was so bad. They said all he needed was better protection and a run game & better playcalling. Exactly 1 year later under a new HC, 2 brand new o-linemen and a burgeoning young star at Rb later, Eli still looks like **** and fans are ready to put him out to pasture.

LBJ and Cleveland Cavalier fans got numerous HC coaches fired over the years for what has always been perceived as incompetence & not once did it wind up mattering once the cavaliers got to the finals and played teams that were just better.

last year Doug Marrone was praised by fans and media alike for figuring out how to be successful with Blake Bortles as his qb. This year fans are calling for his head....y? Basically b/c he hasn’t been able to hide Bortles like he did last year when it’s really not his fault the FO decided to re-up with a bad qb instead of drafting or acquiring a potentially better option.

What i’m getting at here is “coaching” is the go to blame for every teams’ fan base when their team/players underperform.....& most times fans are just flat out wrong...it’s almost always the players who just suck.
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So far this season I would say the Texans haven't under performed, yet some are still unhappy.
 
steelbtexan said:
So far this season I would say the Texans haven't under performed, yet some are still unhappy.
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I agree. O’Brien himself said, during the off-season, that he had installed a new “revamped” offense because teams already saw what Watson could do from last year’s sample size.

Where am I going with this? Well, this “revamped” offense was complete garbage and completely handicapped our franchise QB. Three games/three straight losses later, he lets Watson be Watson and play the way he did last season, and guess what? Teams weren’t able to stop him yet again...

Conclusion: our team didn’t under perform, the coach did!
 
Mr teX said:
Giants fans were beside themselves last year when Ben Mcadoo had the audacity to bench Eli b/c his play was so bad. They said all he needed was better protection and a run game & better playcalling. Exactly 1 year later under a new HC, 2 brand new o-linemen and a burgeoning young star at Rb later, Eli still looks like **** and fans are ready to put him out to pasture.

LBJ and Cleveland Cavalier fans got numerous HC coaches fired over the years for what has always been perceived as incompetence & not once did it wind up mattering once the cavaliers got to the finals and played teams that were just better.

last year Doug Marrone was praised by fans and media alike for figuring out how to be successful with Blake Bortles as his qb. This year fans are calling for his head....y? Basically b/c he hasn’t been able to hide Bortles like he did last year when it’s really not his fault the FO decided to re-up with a bad qb instead of drafting or acquiring a potentially better option.

What i’m getting at here is “coaching” is the go to blame for every teams’ fan base when their team/players underperform.....& most times fans are just flat out wrong...it’s almost always the players who just suck.
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Jags players (other than Bortles) don't just suck. They have quality that has been decimated by injury. They were (mistakenly imo) leaning on Fournette. That has gone to sh!t. They lost Hurns and Lewis.Defensively Campbell has been hurt most of the year, they lost Fowler and Posluzny. Big deal
 
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chicagotexan2 said:
Ummm... in-incorrect. Mike Zimmer advanced the NFC championship game. BoB is a musket of a playoff coach - only good for one round.

Although I also have confidence in Watson but I am concerned BoB will find a way to eff schit up because that is his superpower.
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Sure , they've won a few games against teams they should beat … they won on talent.

What happens when they face teams that are equal or better talent wise ? Does any of us have the slightest inclination that BoB is gonna help them in those games , will he be a non-factor or a net negative ?!

I think at best he's a non-factor and at worst …. a negative. He's made so many errors …. I almost expect them.


When the best you can hope for is that your coach doesn't get in the way , its time to move on. (I'd keep RC running the defense).
 
Mangler said:
I agree. O’Brien himself said, during the off-season, that he had installed a new “revamped” offense because teams already saw what Watson could do from last year’s sample size.

Where am I going with this? Well, this “revamped” offense was complete garbage and completely handicapped our franchise QB. Three games/three straight losses later, he lets Watson be Watson and play the way he did last season, and guess what? Teams weren’t able to stop him yet again...

Conclusion: our team didn’t under perform, the coach did!
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Or it took 3 games for the QB to start to round into form coming off of an ACL just like every other player in the NFL not named Adrian Peterson. BTW, Watson has really only started to round into form within the last month, almost exactly a yr from being injured. That's not a coincidence.
 
Mangler said:
I agree. O’Brien himself said, during the off-season, that he had installed a new “revamped” offense because teams already saw what Watson could do from last year’s sample size.

Where am I going with this? Well, this “revamped” offense was complete garbage and completely handicapped our franchise QB. Three games/three straight losses later, he lets Watson be Watson and play the way he did last season, and guess what? Teams weren’t able to stop him yet again...

Conclusion: our team didn’t under perform, the coach did!
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He still handicaps him though. See last week, where the offense scored 16 points in the first half and 3 in the second half. Turtle mode.
 
Corrosion said:
Sure , they've won a few games against teams they should beat … they won on talent.

What happens when they face teams that are equal or better talent wise ? Does any of us have the slightest inclination that BoB is gonna help them in those games , will he be a non-factor or a net negative ?!

I think at best he's a non-factor and at worst …. a negative. He's made so many errors …. I almost expect them.


When the best you can hope for is that your coach doesn't get in the way , its time to move on. (I'd keep RC running the defense).
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Overall who are these teams of equl or greater talent that he's lost too?

I know he lost to the Tacks/NYG's earlier this yr when Watson was rounding back into form, but say last yr, who were the teams they lost to that they were more talented than? Yr before?
 
steelbtexan said:
Or it took 3 games for the QB to start to round into form coming off of an ACL just like every other player in the NFL not named Adrian Peterson. BTW, Watson has really only started to round into form within the last month, almost exactly a yr from being injured. That's not a coincidence.
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Stop making sense steelb you know that’s frowned upon around here.
 
JB said:
Kubiak's turtle mode is largely over-looked because of an early offensive powerhouse
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Thing is most coaches scale their aggression levels back when they’re up in the 2nd half...it’s what you’re supposed to do to shorten the game for your opponent.

The only real difference in our turtle mode and the top offenses’ turtle modes, is that those offenses can actually run the ball to salt the game away when they need to. Not a coincidence that the 2 games we dominated from start to finish just happen to be the 2 games Lamar Miller ran the best in and Watson passed the ball 20-25 times.

In other words, nothing wrong with it if it works.
 
Mr teX said:
Thing is most coaches scale their aggression levels back when they’re up in the 2nd half...it’s what you’re supposed to do to shorten the game for your opponent.

The only real difference in our turtle mode and the top offenses’ turtle modes, is that those offenses can actually run the ball to salt the game away when they need to. Not a coincidence that the 2 games we dominated from start to finish just happen to be the 2 games Lamar Miller ran the best in and Watson passed the ball 20 times or less.
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That doesn't address Kubiak's ( the offensive mastermind's) turtle mode even when AF was carrying the rock. From powerhouse to slugs ishow it appeared.
 
JB said:
Jags players (other than Bortles) don't just suck. They have quality that has been decimated by injury. They were (mistakenly imo) leaning on Fournette. That has gone to sh!t. They lost Hurns and Lewis.Defensively Campbell has been hurt most of the year, they lost Fowler and Posluzny. Big deal
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And on the other side of the coin, the Rams defense was supposed the second coming of the Doomsday / Steel Curtain defense but they are getting gashed here as of late. Giving up 23 points per game which ain't bad, but all the pundits were getting all weak kneed with this defense at the beginning of the year.
And we all know that Son of Bum is a damn good D coach, so.......
 
Rich Schmidt said:
That was next level Time out. BOB sucked him into the long field goal with his injured kicker. That was Ninja level game management.

To be honest, I thought the dude drilled the FG and we lost
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Man that kick looked good, I was so bummed, then it just drops out of midair somehow. Like it hit one of those glass walls that mimes always manage to get trapped in. I'll take the W though, just hate the second half coaching. Offense is nonexistent yet again.
 
TheKDog said:
Needed a pick six from our own endzone to win it. If that's a touch back, Texans lose.

The offense from last year is nowhere to be found. That 5 game run from last year is completely gone.
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Don't forget the other INT.
It gave the Texans the ball at the Skins 22
They lost 4 yards, but were still in FG range.
That FG was also needed.
 
TheKDog said:
Needed a pick six from our own endzone to win it. If that's a touch back, Texans lose.

The offense from last year is nowhere to be found. That 5 game run from last year is completely gone.
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I think Watson’s knees are holding him and the offense back. One thing BoB can’t be blamed for is the non-contact injuries that occur with players.

O’Brien tipped us off earlier this year after the Cowboys game that he wasn’t going to risk Watson by allowing (or designing plays for) him to run by saying winning that way “isn’t sustainable”.

So yes, the offense from last year is gone, at least for awhile anyway.
 
banned1976 said:
I think Watson’s knees are holding him and the offense back. One thing BoB can’t be blamed for is the non-contact injuries that occur with players.

O’Brien tipped us off earlier this year after the Cowboys game that he wasn’t going to risk Watson by allowing (or designing plays for) him to run by saying winning that way “isn’t sustainable”.

So yes, the offense from last year is gone, at least for awhile anyway.
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He still managed to complete 67% of his passes at over 8 y/a. I don't want him to run more, just better passing plays drawn up.
 
banned1976 said:
I think Watson’s knees are holding him and the offense back. One thing BoB can’t be blamed for is the non-contact injuries that occur with players.

O’Brien tipped us off earlier this year after the Cowboys game that he wasn’t going to risk Watson by allowing (or designing plays for) him to run by saying winning that way “isn’t sustainable”.

So yes, the offense from last year is gone, at least for awhile anyway.
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How so? Second time i've heard this and i am not seeing a guy who has a hurt knee on the field. If Watson is being more careful as a runner it would be because he just had his dang lung punctured by a LB against that same Dallas team that you are saying Obrien wasnt going to risk Watson. Not anything to do with his knees, not one bit.

Its interesting that last year it was 'he's running too much whats going on' ..... and now its turning into "he needs to run more or its evidence that his knees are hurt" ... wierd.
 
Texansballer74 said:
I do agree the potential is there for the taken. But man it surely didn't seem like we were the better team.
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My point is that at some point , the opposition is as good or better …. that's where coaching can make up the difference.

Looking back on this season , I believe the Texans were a more talented team than all three teams they lost to. Yes , overall more talented than the Pats and definitely a more talented team than the TinBreds and Giants. Scheme's , preparation and coaching decisions put those teams over the top in those games.

One play stands out - the fake punt. The Texans just weren't prepared. That's on the coaches. They have to know that the TinBreds were in an area of the field where a fake punt is an option. That play cost them the game.

One play , one decision. Its the difference between winning and …. not.
 
Corrosion said:
My point is that at some point , the opposition is as good or better …. that's where coaching can make up the difference.

Looking back on this season , I believe the Texans were a more talented team than all three teams they lost to. Yes , overall more talented than the Pats and definitely a more talented team than the TinBreds and Giants. Scheme's , preparation and coaching decisions put those teams over the top in those games.

One play stands out - the fake punt. The Texans just weren't prepared. That's on the coaches. They have to know that the TinBreds were in an area of the field where a fake punt is an option. That play cost them the game.

One play , one decision. Its the difference between winning and …. not.
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What about the Gronk catch in a 4 point game that ended up leading to a touchdown in game 1? You know the whole "its not my job to challenge those plays" game. OBrien has lost games for this team with his decision making, and that is not even debateable anymore. I've chilled out since the team is winning, but this isnt a well coached team by any stretch of the imagination.
 
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