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Any of you gonna admit to owing DW4 an apology?

Texecutioner said:
Lol! Chip Kelly

He actually went out to Oregon and spent some time out there learning how to perfect part of his system in the NFL. Shortly after the Brady and the Patriots were running the fastest offense in the history of the NFL as far as the hurry up offense went.
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Great info!

Never knew that!
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Hey, I got a new slant for the OP, if Watson shites the bed this Sunday.......is he gonna admit to owing the fans of Houston an apology?
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We've seen what Watson is capable of. If he can't ever get back there whose fault is it? Usually that type of failure takes more than just one person.
 
Shishkabob said:
Thats the general progression, most teams don't just employ someone they aren't familiar with or is inexperienced to start working with the most valuable position on the team. You are generally a quality control guy, then an assistant coach for whatever position, then move to coach a position group like TE, WRs, then you go to QBs. If you do well there you go to OC.

This is just my theory on the matter, from what I have heard. What I have heard was they did the same thing they did with Ryan, that they did with Vrabel 3 years ago when he interviewed for 49ers DC position. They brought him back, had a meeting with him(probably bumped up his pay), told him to learn playcalling and game planning for 1 more year then he will be OC. Again this is my theory, I heard when he came back from his interviews this offseason he had a meeting with the McNairs, OB, and Gaine so that is my thinking on the matter. So my opinion based off of what I think is happening is if OB keeps doing poorly with play calling and managing the games at the same time, around week 8 or so pass the play calling duties over to Ryan and see how he does.
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You state that this is your opinion, so it's immediately irrelevant. If you want to be taken seriously here, you must state all opinion as fact and repeat it in every thread, regardless of the subject. Other than that, nice post. :kitten:
 
steelbtexan said:
Belicheck is the first HC to run the spread in the NFL. The Moss Welker years and still carry some of the spread concepts in their offense today. I think this is the type of offense that BOB wants to run. But who knows.
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Negative.
It was an obscured HC with the Niners in the early 60s that first introduced a number of shotgun formation in games.
But it was Sid Gillman that really tied together all the concepts and make it a sustainable offense.
Mike Leach recently credited Gillman with the Air Raid and Don Coryell was known to be greatly influenced by Gillman also.

If you look at this playbook when he was a consultant with the Eagles, you can see two complete series (out of 8) designed to release all five reveivers.
https://www.completeheadcoach.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/1981PhiladelphiaEaglesSidGillman.pdf
 
76Texan said:
Negative.
It was an obscured HC with the Niners in the early 60s that first introduced a number of shotgun formation in games.
But it was Sid Gillman that really tied together all the concepts and make it a sustainable offense.
Mike Leach recently credited Gillman with the Air Raid and Don Coryell was known to be greatly influenced by Gillman also.

If you look at this playbook when he was a consultant with the Eagles, you can see two complete series (out of 8) designed to release all five reveivers.
https://www.completeheadcoach.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/1981PhiladelphiaEaglesSidGillman.pdf
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Reintroduced

Gillman was the guy who laid the foundation for Bum and the Luv ya blue years
 
DocBar said:
You state that this is your opinion, so it's immediately irrelevant. If you want to be taken seriously here, you must state all opinion as fact and repeat it in every thread, regardless of the subject. Other than that, nice post. :kitten:
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quit :stirpot:
 
76Texan said:
Negative.
It was an obscured HC with the Niners in the early 60s that first introduced a number of shotgun formation in games.
But it was Sid Gillman that really tied together all the concepts and make it a sustainable offense.
Mike Leach recently credited Gillman with the Air Raid and Don Coryell was known to be greatly influenced by Gillman also.

If you look at this playbook when he was a consultant with the Eagles, you can see two complete series (out of 8) designed to release all five reveivers.
https://www.completeheadcoach.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/1981PhiladelphiaEaglesSidGillman.pdf
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Even before Belichick used those concepts in the NFL. I would give credit to the Run & Shoot era of the Oilers, Falcons and even Lions.
 
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steelbtexan said:
Reintroduced

Gillman was the guy who laid the foundation for Bum and the Luv ya blue years
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On the other hand, Belichick did know plenty about the run and shoot (since the late 70s), which is just another name of the spread.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/preview09/columns/story?columnist=wickersham_seth&id=4443119

Doubtful that he has to learn much of anything from Chip Kelly in 2007, when Kelly was just a first-year OC at Oregon.
Kelly played DB at New Hampshire and started to learn offense later from one of the spread guy, Dutch Myer and the up-tempo from Rodriguez.
As an OC at New Hampshire, Kelly himself was just beginning to put things together.
 
Earl34 said:
Even before Belichick using those concepts in the NFL. I would give credit to the Run & Shoot era of the Oilers, Falcons and even Lions.
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See my previous post.
BB did know about the run and shoot (though not as a master); and he just didn't use it much in the old days.
 
NFL’s passer rating leaders since 2016:

1) Tom Brady – 105.6
2) Drew Brees – 104.8
3) Matt Ryan – 104.5
4) Aaron Rodgers – 102.5
5) Alex Smith – 98.5
6) Deshaun Watson – 98.5
7) Ryan Tannehill – 98.0
8) Jimmy Garoppolo – 97.8
9) Sam Bradford – 96.5
10) Kirk Cousins – 96.0

— Brett Brecheisen (@bbrech) September 24, 2018


NFL’s Yards Per Attempt leaders since 2016:

1) Matt Ryan – 8.50
2) Jimmy Garoppolo – 8.42
3) Deshaun Watson – 8.29
4) Ryan Tannehill – 7.95
5) Drew Brees – 7.94

— Brett Brecheisen (@bbrech) September 24, 2018
 
Iirc, most of DWs ints are from some pretty long tosses. Like 30 yards plus. Not to say he hasn't chucked a couple to the other guys, but overall his TD to Int ratio is pretty good. Take out those long distance sort of hail Mary type tosses and his stats would be jaw dropping.
 
edo783 said:
Iirc, most of DWs ints are from some pretty long tosses. Like 30 yards plus. Not to say he hasn't chucked a couple to the other guys, but overall his TD to Int ratio is pretty good. Take out those long distance sort of hail Mary type tosses and his stats would be jaw dropping.
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Throwing jump balls into double coverage should be excused because they are deep throws?
 
zshawn10 said:
PFF HOU Texans@PFF_Texans

#Texans QB Deshaun Watson earned an overall grade of 84.4 on Sunday against the Giants, which ranked 7th among quarterbacks. He threw for 385 yards 2 TD and 1 INT.

-throws between the numbers: 19-19 for 296 yards and 2 TD

-throws everywhere else: 5-15 89 yards and 1 INT

12:32 PM - Sep 24, 2018
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And he's doing this with the worst OL in the league, barely any help at RB/TE, and OBrien calling the plays.
 
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Watson is a gunslinger if people haven't noticed by now. Gonna have to live with those shots down the field. Sure beats the 10 yard out pick six.
 
infantrycak said:
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Hail mary type throws are no optuon, e eryone know's it's coming and you can't throw it away. Yeah, those should be discounted (as should tipped balls).
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How many of his picks this season have been in end of game or quarter situations. From what I recall they have been drive killers when other options would of been better.
 
We heard he was prone to careless interceptions in college. I guess this is what they mean by the multiple red zone picks. He has to stop trying to force throws that aren't there when we are in scoring range.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
How many of his picks this season have been in end of game or quarter situations. From what I recall they have been drive killers when other options would of been better.
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You do have a case against some judgement throws and having better down and distance presence and making the ''smart throw" but he's not perfect he's trying to make plays. How many TDs have been dropped or called back for penalty I'm counting 2 at least. Those dumb young player brainfarts are going to happen alot of that comes with experience.
 
Neill Cameron@Neill52Cameron
https://twitter.com/Neill52Cameron/status/1046506299830218753

Deshaun Watson was sacked SEVEN times today. And still maintained a 102.8 QBR. #Texans

4:05 PM - Sep 30, 2018

Brian T. Smith‏Verified account@ChronBrianSmith
Deshaun Watson has thrown for 300-plus yards in three consecutive games. #Texans

2:12 PM - 30 Sep 2018

patrick‏Verified account@PatDStat
Deshaun Watson was 8 of 9 on throws in 10-19 yard area for 124 yards. One drop for the incompletion. Best Watson has looked in this area since he arrived to the NFL. #Texans

2:22 PM - 30 Sep 2018
 
ATXtexanfan said:
Dude still misses a lot of throws. He has a highlight reel of misses this year

However I fully blame OB for this. Let the kid play. Thinking slows it down.
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I only counted 4-5 throws that were accuracy misses among his 42 attempts, which is quite impressive for a second year rookie in such a horrible offense. There were as many late and wrong reads which again I'm going to call an overall plus result. Our offense is "Watson save us!" ... little run game, inconsistent (being nice) blocking, and O'Brien designing the offense which is slow developing routes. Watson should be fetal position Carr at this point, not putting up 350yds in spite of the mess.
 
Scooter said:
I only counted 4-5 throws that were accuracy misses among his 42 attempts, which is quite impressive for a second year rookie in such a horrible offense. There were as many late and wrong reads which again I'm going to call an overall plus result. Our offense is "Watson save us!" ... little run game, inconsistent (being nice) blocking, and O'Brien designing the offense which is slow developing routes. Watson should be fetal position Carr at this point, not putting up 350yds in spite of the mess.
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Well those 4-5 throws could have lead to a different outcome. The throw to Hopkins was totally on point and Hopkins didn't pull it in. DW4 has game but sometimes he flat out misses. I'll give the kid a break but we running out of games. Coaching is killing the kid but sometimes it's on him
 
ATXtexanfan said:
Well those 4-5 throws could have lead to a different outcome. The throw to Hopkins was totally on point and Hopkins didn't pull it in. DW4 has game but sometimes he flat out misses. I'll give the kid a break but we running out of games. Coaching is killing the kid but sometimes it's on him
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That's the line IMO. Does Watson make as many mistakes if he's able to plant his feet and throw to into route combinations where he has real reads and a running game/offensive line to afford him that time? The Giants waylaid Brady twice and Peyton wilted in the playoffs when he had to shoulder the entire team, QB can't be the only player no matter how great. We're asking too much from Watson and he's still somehow doing well.

Think about Watson's top receiver today ... an undersized speedster who missed all of preseason and the first 3 games. We were glad Lamm was starting today (say that out loud). Watson has plenty of flaws and I don't want to sound like I'm ignoring them, but he is doing one hell of a job IMO with the coaching and options presented.
 
It only took him 3 games to realize he needed to change his offense. Give OB another extension.
 
ATXtexanfan said:
Well those 4-5 throws could have lead to a different outcome. The throw to Hopkins was totally on point and Hopkins didn't pull it in. DW4 has game but sometimes he flat out misses. I'll give the kid a break but we running out of games. Coaching is killing the kid but sometimes it's on him
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Every QB flat out misses some throws. You're being very extreme tonight. Lol perfection at that position is extremely rare.
 
santo said:
It only took him 3 games to realize he needed to change his offense. Give OB another extension.
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Maybe, just Maybe BOB was calling games trying to protect his franchise QB that was coming off of an ACL. With the season on the line he reverted back to the Clemson offense and is just hoping Watson doesn't get hurt again like he did last yr.

This is the only explanation I can think of and not my defending of BOB.
 
Deshawn Watson through 4 games has 1246 yards 7 touchdowns and 4 interceptions.

Pretty darn great when you factor in coming off a ACL injury, very limited pre season reps with the ones, Bill O'Brien play calling and that atrocious offensive line. Yes he has made some rookie mistakes but under the circumstances, every last one of us should be impressed.
 
steelbtexan said:
Maybe, just Maybe BOB was calling games trying to protect his franchise QB that was coming off of an ACL. With the season on the line he reverted back to the Clemson offense and is just hoping Watson doesn't get hurt again like he did last yr.

This is the only explanation I can think of and not my defending of BOB.
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"not defending of BOB" ... this statement doesn't at all match your posts. What has O'Brien done that still garners your support ... can you say anything without blaming someone else?
 
steelbtexan said:
Maybe, just Maybe BOB was calling games trying to protect his franchise QB that was coming off of an ACL. With the season on the line he reverted back to the Clemson offense and is just hoping Watson doesn't get hurt again like he did last yr.

This is the only explanation I can think of and not my defending of BOB.
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Do you think the offense we were running last year was the reason Watson got hurt?

Why would he do that anyways knowing this line is practically new. And after watching game 1 and 2 film they were awfully atrocious. One would think he needs to move the pocket, get the youngster out on the edge would prevent him from getting his legs rolled up on like it did last year.
 
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Texansballer74 said:
Do you think the offense we running last year was the reason Watson got hurt?

Why would he do that anyways knowing this line is practically new. And after watching game 1 and 2 film they were awfully atrocious. One would think he needs to move the pocket, get the youngster out on the edge would prevent him from getting his legs rolled up on like it did last year.
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Nope, but I do think the Clemsom offense will lead to any QB getting hurt. Running QB's are more likely to get hurt in the NFL. I know you disagree.
 
steelbtexan said:
Nope, but I do think the Clemsom offense will lead to any QB getting hurt. Running QB's are more likely to get hurt in the NFL. I know you disagree.
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Wilson, Taylor and even Rodgers have had solid years of using their feet. Shoots Cam has had a good bed of health throughout his career as well.

You can not be scared to run what works out there. Dude got hurt standing tall in the pocket and not by using his legs.
 
Scooter said:
"not defending of BOB" ... this statement doesn't at all match your posts. What has O'Brien done that still garners your support ... can you say anything without blaming someone else?
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Care to point those posts out this yr?

I thought I said I wanted him fired when Ricky was fired, if my memory serves me correctly.

I dont blame anything else except I dont think it's a good idea to put a rookie QB behind a terrible OL, which has happened for 2 yrs and counting. I think you can go back to the beginning of last yr and find posts that said I wanted Savage to start because I wanted him to take the beating last yr.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Wilson, Taylor and even Rodgers have had solid years of using their feet. Shoots Cam has had a good bed of health throughout his career as well.

You can not be scared to run what works out there. Dude got hurt standing tall in the pocket and not by using his legs.
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Taylor gets hurt every yr and misses games, lost his starting job with a concussion this yr. Rodgers has broken his collar bone twice and is currently a shell of himself playing with a hurt knee. Wilson is an outlier. Cam is bigger than alot of DE/LB's trying to tackle him.
 
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