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**Official Game-Day Thread** Texans at Patriots Game 1, Sunday Sept 9, 2018!!

xtruroyaltyx

Hall of Fame
I'm not one to say I told you so ... oh wait, yeah I am. We've got 15 more games to see if our stupid ******* **** ass dumb **** coach can pull his head out of his ass and do something with the monster that is Romeo's defense. So, here's to optimism.
I would’ve fired OB after his second year here.

Once he shipped off Fitz and brought in Hoyer I knew he was going to be bad news. That’s not the type of move good teams make. You replace Fotz with a clear upgrade or your q.b of the future. Not ******* Hoyer.

If you can’t get the obvious simple stuff right then I can’t trust you to do the complicated things.
 
There is nothing in Bill O'Brien's history as a professional football head coach that points to this result.
DW4's play last season coincided with BO'B calling the shots on offense. So I do think there could be a return to that. I am not holding my breath on that but I do know the two worked well together and believe they could again. It is possible that DW4 succeeded in spite of BO'B but to me it seemed BO'B spread things out and was much more aggressive in the pass game once DW4 got his chance.
 

MightyTExan

It's go time!

Texansballer74

The Marine
"I wouldn’t go back and do anything different in the preseason." Bill O’Brien on the offensive issued today. #Texans

— patrick (@PatDStat) September 9, 2018


Bill O’Brien on not calling a TO to make it more likely the rags would review the Gronk catch: "It’s not my job to call a timeout there to make (the officials’) job easier." pic.twitter.com/ShfMzbYINy

— Jerome Solomon (@JeromeSolomon) September 9, 2018

One of the reasons I can't stand this dude. Wow did he really say this crap.
 

Scooter

Funky
I would’ve fired OB after his second year here.

Once he shipped off Fitz and brought in Hoyer I knew he was going to be bad news. That’s not the type of move good teams make. You replace Fotz with a clear upgrade or your q.b of the future. Not ******* Hoyer.
I'm still completely confused as to how he got hired in the first place. Possibly the worst and least decorated offense coach of the Patriots, took one of the biggest college programs to losing seasons and with 4 total years of NFL experience ... head coach? At least Vrabel played in the NFL.
 

Seegara

Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
I presume that BOB was playing for a regulation time tie and that he would have kicked the point if we had scored a TD on that final possession. If not, he's an even worse coach than we think.
 

Texansballer74

The Marine
I do have a problem when Tom Brady, Drew Brees, and Rivers have more preseason snaps than Watson. You cant do what's traditional in terms of reps with a young qb. Once again, no other playmakers beside Hopkins. You're not gonna beat Hoody with 1 threat. Fuller stays injured and Koutee is starting off like Fuller.

Ellington had his moments and how about utilizing those two big ash TEs we have and Miller out the backfield.
 
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Scooter

Funky
Ellington had his moments and how about utilizing those two big ash TEs we have and Miller out the backfield.
Ellington is fool's gold, preseason fun running crossing routes against vanilla defenses. To actually make him and our tightends into receivers, we need to mix up our playcalling and use route combinations that are at least as complex as what the commentator is predicting. I'm pretty sure Romo walked to the plane saying 'my head hurts' because he (nor anyone else) could make sense of our offense.
 

Texansballer74

The Marine
Ellington is fool's gold, preseason fun running crossing routes against vanilla defenses. To actually make him and our tightends into receivers, we need to mix up our playcalling and use route combinations that are at least as complex as what the commentator is predicting. I'm pretty sure Romo walked to the plane saying 'my head hurts' because he (nor anyone else) could make sense of our offense.

Oh no doubt. I've said this several times, Bill O'Brien doesn't even know what type of offense we're running.

My thing is if you supposedly know what you're doing is so complex. Why in the freaking world didn't you give these guys much needed reps in preseason together. Especially knowing your first game is against the damn Patriots.
 
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Lucky

Ride, Captain, Ride!
Staff member
Bill O’Brien on not calling a TO to make it more likely the rags would review the Gronk catch: "It’s not my job to call a timeout there to make (the officials’) job easier." pic.twitter.com/ShfMzbYINy

— Jerome Solomon (@JeromeSolomon) September 9, 2018
This guy just doesn't get it. This is the tipping point in O'Brien's career here in Houston.
 

jshabang

Quality Backup!
My takeaway....... relax guys....... 1st few games of the season across the league is trash because they don’t have traditional training camps anymore...... so these are really preseason games as everybody is finally using Live bullets and knocking the rust off...... that’s why defense and offense played better later in the game then earlier


Secondly we will look way better when we are not playing the GOAT COACH and the GOAT QB....... patriots will make everybody look bad this first few weeks most likely ....... we will look better against a team that’s not the defending afc champs ...... they always own us for the most part

Deshaun looked bad today but the line looked worse then him...... so that concerns me more then Deshaun being rusty....... and also without Will Fuller V and KeKe Coutee our offense will always be doomed because a defense just keys in on slow Deundre Hopkins and has nobody else they scared of so it’s easy to defend us without a weapon or threat opposite Hopkins........ so thats normal and expected as well ...... I’m more concerned that this Will Fuller V guy who we wasted a draft pick on might be fools gold cuz he can’t stay healthy to save his life as our offense is dooomed without some kinda deep threat to scare a defense out of Double coverage on Hopkins


Now I think we will be flying around next week and looking a lot better on both sides of the ball..... I expected rust from them this game


Now if after 3 or 4 games Deshaun is still looking Like a lame duck with Will Fuller and the whole offense available...... I would panic then...... today not so much
 

ATXtexanfan

Hall of Fame
The more I think about it. Watson was terrible today. That's what a full offseason as the starter yields under OB.

Wonder how Watson would have looked last year if OB committed to him after he was drafted
 

jshabang

Quality Backup!
Deshaun Watson .... JJ Watt...... Mercilus and Clowney are coming off major injuries....... I expect it will take them a little time to get the rust off and get back to themselves...... I didn’t expect all world play from any of em this first game of the season anyway actually
 

Jadmakaveli

Veteran
My takeaway....... relax guys....... 1st few games of the season across the league is trash because they don’t have traditional training camps anymore...... so these are really preseason games as everybody is finally using Live bullets and knocking the rust off...... that’s why defense and offense played better later in the game then earlier


Secondly we will look way better when we are not playing the GOAT COACH and the GOAT QB....... patriots will make everybody look bad this first few weeks most likely ....... we will look better against a team that’s not the defending afc champs ...... they always own us for the most part

Deshaun looked bad today but the line looked worse then him...... so that concerns me more then Deshaun being rusty....... and also without Will Fuller V and KeKe Coutee our offense will always be doomed because a defense just keys in on slow Deundre Hopkins and has nobody else they scared of so it’s easy to defend us without a weapon or threat opposite Hopkins........ so thats normal and expected as well ...... I’m more concerned that this Will Fuller V guy who we wasted a draft pick on might be fools gold cuz he can’t stay healthy to save his life as our offense is dooomed without some kinda deep threat to scare a defense out of Double coverage on Hopkins


Now I think we will be flying around next week and looking a lot better on both sides of the ball..... I expected rust from them this game


Now if after 3 or 4 games Deshaun is still looking Like a lame duck with Will Fuller and the whole offense available...... I would panic then...... today not so much
I agree its only first game of the season, I don't think this will determine our season. However I would have loved to have this win especially when it comes to end of season and we are talking home field advantage.
 

zshawn10

All Pro
Deshaun Watson 'I feel like I could have did more. As I go, the offense go. I held the ball too long. They can't block forever'


4:08 PM - Sep 9, 2018


https://twitter.com/sarahbarshop/status/1038896528444805120

Deshaun Watson said he didn’t get hurt on the last play — he was dealing with a cramp and needed an IV after the game.


4:06 PM - Sep 9, 2018





https://twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/status/1038896746368327682

Deshaun Watson said he played 'terrible' took blame for the loss said he didn't play with his usual 'energy'


4:07 PM - Sep 9, 2018
 

banned1976

sleeper mode
My basic takeaways from the game:

O’Brien once again didn’t have the team ready to play. That has been my biggest complaint of him.

1st half play calling was atrocious.

All around poor clock management.

Blue ran with authority. Both RB’s looked really sharp. To me that was one the biggest surprises.

To me the biggest surprise was how confused and erratic Watson looked. I was wrong about how valuable pre season games are for veterans.

The only consistent pass rusher was Watt and it took a half for him to show up.

Past Hopkins none of the receivers were impactful.

I’m going to stick by my comment last week stating Kevin Johnson looks like a 1st round bust. He and the lack of depth behind him could be a storyline this year and not a good one.

Speaking of the secondary Tyrann lived up to his billing.

ST’s looks vastly improved from their 32nd in the league ranking from last year.
 

Hervoyel

BUENO!
If you guys aren't worried that Watson is hurt you guys are worried about the wrong things.

Him going down means we have no chance of winning 6 games.

I need to know he's okay
The nature of the situation before us today is that you have people who have cared about every peep out of the Houston Texans for 16 years who don’t really know for certain if they even care if these Texans win more than 6 games.

It’s broken. It’s impossible to ignore at this point. This franchise is not right and it’s not going to get right whether DW4’s knee is right or not. Honestly at this point all a healthy DW4 means to me is that this coaching staff is going to ruin him all that much faster.

Much bigger fish to fry these days than DW4’s injury status. I doubt these assholes win more than 8 games this year with him much less 4-6 games without him. I used to think it was cool that Bill O’Brien got all that out of Fitz until it dawned on me that Bill O’Brien makes EVERY QB into Fitz (or worse).

We’re in fan-Hell and I’m not sure it’s worth going through this **** at all.
 

Lucky

Ride, Captain, Ride!
Staff member
To me it was punting in the 4qtr. You nutted up instead of going for it. Luckily the PR muffed the punt but that That was like trump wussing out in front of Putin.
There's so much to point to. The game plan made zero sense. Put Watson in the pocket and give the Pats pass rush a target? No, man. Make their slow front move laterally and make the secondary worry about Watson running the ball. That was the ticket. O'Brien let the Pats defense dictate to him. That was never going to work.
 

Scooter

Funky
We’re in fan-Hell and I’m not sure it’s worth going through this **** at all.
We are and you will. If I have to put up with this piece of **** with no ******* experience coaching us into the ******* ground, you have to stick around and endure failure too - like a Houston fan should lol.
 
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Mr teX

Hall of Fame
Clooney was clearly rusty
Mercy was clearly rusty
DW4 was clearly rusty

No practice in preseason


Deshaun Watson 'I feel like I could have did more. As I go, the offense go. I held the ball too long. They can't block forever'


4:08 PM - Sep 9, 2018



Deshaun Watson said he didn’t get hurt on the last play — he was dealing with a cramp and needed an IV after the game.


4:06 PM - Sep 9, 2018






Deshaun Watson said he played 'terrible' took blame for the loss said he didn't play with his usual 'energy'


4:07 PM - Sep 9, 2018
Yeah he wasn’t good today. The thing is his mental make up is such that, we won’t see it again. The kid is a film junkie and u only have to tell him something once.

He’s gonna have growing pains this year for sure, fans may as well get ready for it.
 

Scooter

Funky
A 'rookie' in his 8th game, most of the game 5-wide, with a HORRID offensive line, a coach calling long developing routes without any design (again, zero protection), and forced into a no-huddle offense against a defense that knows exactly what play you're going to run.

I wonder why it wasn't Watson's best game. He looked bad ... and Joe Montana would've looked bad.
 

RTP2110

All Pro
I think Watson will be fine. It's only his 9th game as a pro, and he had a 10 month gap between games.
It's obvious though, that he and numerous other starters needed more preseason reps. This isn't the first time we've been hurt by this scenario under O'brien.
Lastly, OB needs to swallow his pride and hire an OC already. His performance as a HC is suffering due to him filling both roles.
 

cuppacoffee

Resident Grouch
Watson is so late on every play. Just slow and confused.

OB not playing the starters in the preseason showed up today. I have defended OB from day one but doubt is beginning to creep in.

Starting to think he is in over his head. Still has trouble managing the games.

Not going to panic unless we are still so out of sync after a couple more games. It is a long season, things can be fixed.

:coffee:
 

cuppacoffee

Resident Grouch
"I wouldn’t go back and do anything different in the preseason." Bill O’Brien on the offensive issued today. #Texans

— patrick (@PatDStat) September 9, 2018


Bill O’Brien on not calling a TO to make it more likely the rags would review the Gronk catch: "It’s not my job to call a timeout there to make (the officials’) job easier." pic.twitter.com/ShfMzbYINy

— Jerome Solomon (@JeromeSolomon) September 9, 2018
Then the problem is larger than I thought is was. He doesn't learn.

:coffee:
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
Four for 37 t 9.25 is decent especially with the way Watson played. Now is when we see how this team and coaches learn, teach and grow. Several new guys and returning from injury players who need to bond into a group. A good thing was seeing Badger confronting Kevin Johnson and standing up to coaches who should have been reading riot act to Johnson who took Lamms place as being worst guy on field.
 

Porky

Hall of Fame
Anyone know status of Henderson. The tackle play is atrocious and if Lamm is in there it’s going to be worse.

As far as BOB’s quote that’s probably the stupidest, most infuriating thing a Texans coach has ever said.
 

Texansphan

Football connoisseur
Clooney was clearly rusty
Mercy was clearly rusty
DW4 was clearly rusty

No practice in preseason




Yeah he wasn’t good today. The thing is his mental make up is such that, we won’t see it again. The kid is a film junkie and u only have to tell him something once.

He’s gonna have growing pains this year for sure, fans may as well get ready for it.
Not too many rookies come in and are great right off the bat and stay great. They may have a great rookie season but then reality sets in season #2.
He was rusty and seemed too eager to run much of the time - he needs to develop a quick passing game as he doesn't need to get hurt again.
JJ looked better as the game wore on.
Ervin had a good day returning having his best game as a Texan.
Miller and Blue looked good.
Kevin Johnson may be a bust unfortunately.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
My takeaway....... relax guys....... 1st few games of the season across the league is trash because they don’t have traditional training camps anymore...... so these are really preseason games as everybody is finally using Live bullets and knocking the rust off...... that’s why defense and offense played better later in the game then earlier


Secondly we will look way better when we are not playing the GOAT COACH and the GOAT QB....... patriots will make everybody look bad this first few weeks most likely ....... we will look better against a team that’s not the defending afc champs ...... they always own us for the most part

Deshaun looked bad today but the line looked worse then him...... so that concerns me more then Deshaun being rusty....... and also without Will Fuller V and KeKe Coutee our offense will always be doomed because a defense just keys in on slow Deundre Hopkins and has nobody else they scared of so it’s easy to defend us without a weapon or threat opposite Hopkins........ so thats normal and expected as well ...... I’m more concerned that this Will Fuller V guy who we wasted a draft pick on might be fools gold cuz he can’t stay healthy to save his life as our offense is dooomed without some kinda deep threat to scare a defense out of Double coverage on Hopkins


Now I think we will be flying around next week and looking a lot better on both sides of the ball..... I expected rust from them this game


Now if after 3 or 4 games Deshaun is still looking Like a lame duck with Will Fuller and the whole offense available...... I would panic then...... today not so much
When people say things like you did (bolded) you look silly or maybe you just don't look at facts. Yes Fuller was injured 2017 but in ten games he had 28 receptions for 423 yards a 15 yard avg and 7 TDs. He also returned 9 punts for 135 yards also a 15 yard avg which is huge. Two rushes for 9 yards isn't horrible for a speed WR. Fuller has to be out significant games or flop as WR this season to be a wasted pick.
 

ObsiWan

Hall of Fame
Contributor's Club
With a good head coach I think we win today.
And that's with Deshaun Watson's struggles (rusty).
With a good head coach would Watson have been "rusty"? Just a few more snaps in the preseason is all I asked for
...to knock the rust off.

My basic takeaways from the game:

O’Brien once again didn’t have the team ready to play. That has been my biggest complaint of him.

To me the biggest surprise was how confused and erratic Watson looked. I was wrong about how valuable pre season games are for veterans.
Some of us, CnnnD, Scooter, me, Herv, told y'all O'Brien (Mr. "Earn the right to put your name on your jersey in OTAs") should have played the ones in preseason until they looked sharp and earned the right to sit out the rest of the preseason. You don't wait until the games count to find out who's "rusty".

Belichick and Payton played their starting QBs in preseason. But not O'Brien.
go figure...
 

DocBar

Hall of Fame
Contributor's Club
Another week one implosion by the Texans. It's kind of become a ritual under OB. I'm chalking a lot of this one up to being rusty and bad play calling on the O.
I've got to agree that K. Johnson looks like a bust. Bad day for him. He's lost his confidence, it appears.

Who's the latest rage as an up and coming head coach prospect?
 

paycheck71

Hall of Fame
The bourbon is talking me into "this is just one game, let me see how they respond." Every OB team has started slow and got better as the season went along. I'd rather lose to NE now than in the playoffs, I guess. Chances are we'll lose both, but like I said, bourbon...
 

AcresHomesTexan

No Longer Arlington: Escaped From Jerry's World
Staff member
When people say things like you did (bolded) you look silly or maybe you just don't look at facts. Yes Fuller was injured 2017 but in ten games he had 28 receptions for 423 yards a 15 yard avg and 7 TDs. He also returned 9 punts for 135 yards also a 15 yard avg which is huge. Two rushes for 9 yards isn't horrible for a speed WR. Fuller has to be out significant games or flop as WR this season to be a wasted pick.
Just said what the original poster said in a nicer way
 

Fred

Veteran
If only there was a system in place where players could get live reps say about 4 times before the season started. Probably ought to look into putting that in the next CBA.
Sounds good, but the owners will never go for that unless they can sell tickets. They might even want as much as half the price of a regular season ticket...
 

ATXtexanfan

Hall of Fame
The bourbon is talking me into "this is just one game, let me see how they respond." Every OB team has started slow and got better as the season went along. I'd rather lose to NE now than in the playoffs, I guess. Chances are we'll lose both, but like I said, bourbon...
Problem is if this team figures it out, they will be at NE again
 

CloakNNNdagger

Hall of Fame
Deshaun Watson said he didn’t get hurt on the last play — he was dealing with a cramp and needed an IV after the game.


4:06 PM - Sep 9, 2018






Deshaun Watson said he played 'terrible' took blame for the loss said he didn't play with his usual 'energy'


4:07 PM - Sep 9, 2018
I'm going to remain skeptical about the dehydration/cramping.................how often do you see intelligent,well-conditioned athletes dehydrate in cloudy 60-63 degree weather?
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
I just got a notice from the nfl that the call from the NFL to review the Gronk catch came too late to the refs from the nfl......whole story written up on it on the nfl website and everything.

Still doesn’t change the fact that OB should’ve called a TO...but its becoming comical at this point how these “technical difficulties” always seem to happen at Gillette stadium..
 

banned1976

sleeper mode
We are and you will. If I have to put up with this piece of **** with no ******* experience coaching us into the ******* ground, you have to stick around and endure failure too - like a Houston fan should lol.
I was watching a Texans game in 2016. They had just lost and I was in a terrible mood. I have a boarderline personality disorder. After I get really angry about something and calm down severe depression sometimes sets in; that’s what happened after that loss.

I started thinking about my life. My best friend had passed away due to cancer just a few months before. My dad had passed away the previous summer. Although we didn’t get along it affected me. I had quit my job in Minnesota due to family crisis in Houston...my mom was sick. At that time I hadn’t seen my son for 6 years. I had had multiple serious surgeries so health wise I wasn’t doing so hot.

After reflecting on all that I thought to myself there is no good reason to let a football team bring me down like this. All its done for me is triggering me to drag out all the negative crap that I don’t have any control over anyway.

Since then I don’t get emotional over them. It’s just a damn game.
 
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