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The New New JaDeveon Clowney Thread
- Thread starter Marshall
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Play good, play every game, and the good money will be there.
Fred
Veteran
If my knees were one sneeze away from exploding, I would also want a long term contract with a gazillion dollars guaranteed. His tag number will probably be $20 to 24 million by then, so every game he holds out costs him $1.2 to 1.5 million. And he still has no leverage.
Sometimes I think CnD is too negative on guys recovering from injury. But I don't think Clowney is magically growing new cartilage. Hard to believe he can play at a high level for more than 3 years.
Clowney will want to be paid by whomever will pay him. Holding out creates fewer suitors. You're really arguing one of the weakest arguments out there. Stay the course, Brian Gaine..
How so???
And BTW, I'm not making an argument for or against re-signing Clowney. Just stating how non-QBs feel about the franchise tag and how they use the only leverage available to them.
Holding out over the FT, especially during the season, creates the impression of a malcontent. Maybe that's just my impression. lol
I would think that every player regards the FT the same way, regardless of position. It gives less security than a long term deal.
The holdout will give the impression that the player wants a long term contract. Holding out didn't hurt Duane Brown earn an extension.
QBs on franchise tags don't hold out because a) the tag amount is higher, and b) QBs careers are usually longer. QBs know that the tag will pay them well and be punitive to the team's cap. A DE/LB next contract could be his last. Waiting a year playing on a franchise tag reduces that payday by a year and likely reduces that long term contract value as the player is a year older.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Looking good JDC! Finished watching his two series and that dude is ready. Playing with leverage, power and cat quick off the snap. Prove them wrong baby!
Watt was looking NICE too. I'm excited once Mercy gets back, the emergence of Covington and Reader? You kidding me man this is shaping up to be a fearsome foursome of sorts.
Watt was looking NICE too. I'm excited once Mercy gets back, the emergence of Covington and Reader? You kidding me man this is shaping up to be a fearsome foursome of sorts.
Yes he was moving real well, looked strong and ready.
Of course that's just a dab of snaps in two series, very small sample size, but I still think he's ready for NE and he usually plays well against them as I recall.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
What your looking for is a gimp. A lean in his stance. Something that tells you he's not right. It was the opposite. He was disruptive. Ok it was against LAs 2's but even more reason to make sure you dominate as everyone expects you to
We're going to terrorize Brady. Changing of the guard game.
Led by Clowney & JJ up front along with a steller group of backers we've got the horses to potentially overpower that Oline that the Patriots will start.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Their Oline was pretty bad last year, and in game one Brady has the worst group of receivers in the league. Their first round draft pick at tackle got injured for the season. Decker just retired so he's like the 3rd guy to get released in the last 3 weeks at receiver. Brady won't have his typical communication he normally has with his receivers. Their entire offense is about timing and communication. There is no way they'll have a lot if that in game one. Expect the Pats offense to struggle.
Shishkabob
All Pro
when we play in a 4 man front you can really tell clowney is in his element
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
If Mack landed the Bears (2) RD1 picks.....I would get the Jets on the phone since they were in on trying to obtain Mack. If the Jets wanted to toss a couple of RD1 picks at the texans for Clowney's services, how many of you would entertain this possible trade?
Me, I'd make the move in an instance. I'm projecting the Jets as a 20+ team in 2018 which could make one of those RD1's a pick inside the top 10.
Me, I'd make the move in an instance. I'm projecting the Jets as a 20+ team in 2018 which could make one of those RD1's a pick inside the top 10.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
I don't think Clowney's trade value is nearly as high as Kahlil Mack's was.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
If they offered up two RD2's....could be just as interesting. Texans would have the assets with a RD1 and three RD2's to move up and get any player they deem worth the move.
Scooter
Funky
We'd be stupid to NOT be shopping Clowney, and as much as I like him, this is one of those win-win situations if we can find a trade partner with a legitimate offer. We're not going to pay Clowney long term (but are probably willing to lock him down for a year or few with tags) and Mercilus can fill the gap, especially if Watt insists on being outside DE needing someone to play across from him.
And you think there's potential trading partners out there who are willing to pay Clowney long-term ?
I would be more than happy with a 2nd round pick. Offer a 1st rounder and I'd pick up the airfare and relocation expenses.
Scooter
Funky
100% absolutely. Maybe not Mack level, but his value is very close. We're jaded by CND's analysis, coaches see how Clowney has destroyed the line of scrimmage the past couple of years.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I guess if you want me to, I'll talk to some of my connections and see if we can't sit down and rewrite medical history and make Clowney's future more rosey for you.
Scooter
Funky
I knew that came out more sideways than it was supposed to, sorry doc lol. The intent was more like draft prospects - a player misses his freshman and sophomore seasons with serious injuries and deterioration, but then leads the SEC in sacks and tackles for loss the next two years with an otherworldly combine. We get the true story thanks to you, but coaches get the 'tell me what I want to hear' medical version ... and he goes first overall. That's where Clowney is as trade bait, the past 2 years he's arguably been better than Von Miller and Mack as the most disruptive player at the DE position. We know what's going to happen, but a coach seeing that performance with a medical staff saying 'we got this' will pay Mario Williams money ...
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CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
What was is it that Barnum guy said, something about a sucker being born every minute. I dunno maybe there''s one of those lurking out there among the other 31 ?
But re C&D, IMO everyone on this Board is informed by his analysis and insight.
Scooter
Funky
It's unfair to sell him short, Clowney as I said has arguably been the most dominant defensive end in the NFL over the past 2 years. His talent trends to the less sexy tackles for loss more than a pass rusher, but he's had little help. Just because we expect him to fall apart in the next few years doesn't take away his talent, and a coach seeing that performance in consecutive seasons wouldn't be in the wrong to want him anchoring their defense.
Hey man I'm a big Clowney fan and I'd be the last one to deny his talent.
I hope JD remains healthy and productive for many years more in his NFL career, and if not with us then I wish him the best with another team.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Don't just look at the picks, who will you go after in draft? IMO while nowhere near settled the top 20 picks don't thrill me as CBs, ILB & OLBs and DLine are deep; if needed a solid maybe very good OT {Jonah Williams Alabama} could be at our own pick first round. If we miss him, a guy like Scharping can be had in our second round. I'm open to deals but would probably be more interested in acquiring a first then trading down for more picks. If I were to trade with Jets (who don't have second round), I'd ask for their first, third and a second in 2020. Again, not sure if I'd trade Clowney as his possible production next three seasons could be more impactful to team. Keep bringing offers..I'll listen especially if it involves a veteran at position we need.
PapaL
Loose Screw
In three years.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Yeah, with the amount of guaranteed money they're now throwing around the damn tag sounds like a bargain.
Shishkabob
All Pro
the numbers look big, but the percentage of the cap is relatively the same. Infact someone tweeted out earlier JJ took up a larger percentage of the cap when he signed then Mack is now
yeah, you can't just look at the absolute number without looking at what percentage of the team's cap that number eats up.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Thing is, Clowney is a good football player. He was drafted to be a great pass rusher, which he's not. That said he's good enough of a football player to be somewhat in no mans land. We're talking 1st 3yrs guarantee money if you have confidence about his health, 50m in the 1st 3yrs. The rest is funny money and by then, hopefully Watson is who he looks to be.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Jadeveon Clowney for Leveon Bell?
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
This would be an awesome deal considering both players would essentially be rentals unless they're given contracts to retain their services.
Don't think for a second that I still wouldn't entertain the thought of trading Miller to the Redskins for Perine. Hey O'Brien, you wanted a power running game....look at this potential stable:
RB1- Le'Veon Bell
RB2- Samaje Perine and/or D'Onta Foreman
RB4- Alfred Blue
Cut the rest of the flyweight herd b/c there would be some sore defenders with this group running the ball.
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RBs are a dime a doze, but JDCs are not.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Right. But the overwhelming majority here seem to think that JDs knee is about to explode, he's on borrowed time, yada yada. Not me obviously I'd sign him long term now and lock up the best run stopping DLineman in the game, BUT I was curious to see what those prognosticators thought about a deal that put 2 players who seem to be in limbo on opposite sides. Bell would probably only play another 2-3 years at an elite level. I think his style will lend itself to a longer career, but more importantly make the Texans offense one of the most dynamic in the game.
badboy
Hall of Fame
If that's true how come we haven't bought a dozen? We have the dime.
PapaL
Loose Screw
That dime got us Alfred Blue and Tyler Ervin. Sounds like we're gonna need more than a dime.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
The defense has the extra dime.....the running game doesn't.
If you go there then all I need to do is go Arian Foster.
Of course I'd pay good money/cap space or a reasonably high pick for a talented RB but a top 5 pick or the kind of money it would take to sign and secure Bell is
a fool's gold IMO.
PapaL
Loose Screw
Stretching that dime pretty thin. Foster has been gone for 3 years. But I'm down. Since they're a dime a dozen which UDFA do you think will lead the league in rushing?
Shishkabob
All Pro
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
You keep saying this and it's just as stupid each time. There are only a handful of gifted RBs in the league.
now to be fair, he didn't say GOOD RBs are a dime a doze.
It's not meant to be takin literally, you must understand that.
It's hyperbolic and even silly but makes my point which is a team, mainly my team the Texans, shouldn't spend stupid money/cap space on a back.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Well I grew up on Tony Dorsett & Emmitt Smith. I agree with not overpaying a Lamar Miller like we did. But I'd draft high and pay to get/keep someone special.
