PapaL
Loose Screw
That's what I was going to say as well. We didn't spend 2 draft picks this draft to give up on them in preseason.
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That's what I was going to say as well. We didn't spend 2 draft picks this draft to give up on them in preseason.
TheRealJoker
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I believe they can still develop their rookies and carry a proven vet that can add proven blocking ability/redzone production instead of someone like say Stephen Anderson.
If i’m OB and the 2nd hardest position to learn is TE I don’t want to be overly reliant on a 6th round Y TE that wasn’t asked to block much or even play a TE role all that often in college.
TheRealJoker
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If you can improve your team you do it. Not be overly optimistic about a 6th round rookie.Akins is not a Y TE and his playing time would not be affected.
At the time of the draft Pats had Mathews healthy and Edelman not yet suspended. Now they have a need.
Were you loyal to a fault to Kendall Lamm as well when Duane Brown was holding out? I hope not! The Texans should not be making that mistake again. If you have an opportunity to improve the roster you have to do it. 6th round rookies don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt over a vet with proven production.
PapaL
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I'm not being loyal to anyone. I'm saying we haven't even kicked the tires on our newest TEs yet. They haven't even practiced in Houston yet. It's too early IMO plus Pats don't have many options behind him and the oft injured Gronk. Unlikely they move him.
Dwayne Allen: ‘If anyone was let down last year, it was myself’
By Ben VolinGlobe Staff
August 2, 2018
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/...SYZP/story.html?p1=Article_Recirculation_Pos1
Carr Bombed
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They only carried three TEs last year..Stephen Anderson is already going to have a tough time making this team.
Carr Bombed
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Draft position doesn't matter after the draft and there's been plenty of late round TEs to have great success and even HOF careers in this league. Look at our own division. Delaine Walker was a 6th round pick.. Jordan Thomas has been a complete mismatch from what I've heard so far in camp. Depending on what happens in preseason he's going to be on the team, I'm assuming Atkins will as well.. Griffin is the vet. Maybe they keep 4 this year IDK..
I just feel like just because we're deep at WR that doesn't mean we should trade a WR (unless you plan on cutting him, rarely make deals for those guys), especially given the injury history of Fuller. Depth is a great thing and in this league you can go from being deep at a position to being very thin in a matter of weeks...just look at the Astros infield right now and that's not even a contact sport.
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Carr Bombed
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Aaaannnd.. The Patriots just signed Eric Decker so all of this is now a moot discussion. I didn't even know he was out there.
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zshawn10
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Texansballer74
The Marine
Or they can coach up both of the rookies to become blocking TE as well. Especially the 6'7 270lb beast.
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Yawn
Trash article by a even trashier "writer". I really wish people would stop posting these types of troll articles, because it's literally what feeds these no talent clowns who couldn't hack it on legitimate sites.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Offensive Rankings dating back to 2006 for the Houston Texans:
2006 28th 2012 7th
2007 14th 2013 11th
2008 3rd 2014 17th
2009 4th 2015 19th
2010 3rd 2016 29th
2011 13th 2017 20th
So I would assume the next logical step for the Buttchin Apologist Posse would be to state how bad the team that he assumed was and how bereft of talent and whatever whatever. Bill Obrien took over a much more talented team that was already ready to win, defense was set in place and they just needed that offensive 'guru' that Kubiak apparently was not. (even after almost giving his life for the team on the sidelines, but who cares right?) In comes the fire breathing, chest thumping OBrien, had all the good ol' boys around here spitting grizzly and scratching their balls loving that they finally got a coach who was a tough, no nonsense guy and he wouldnt take no mess. YEE HAW! ... what exactly did this team get? The worst replay usage coach in the NFL. Who's worse than OBrien in short yardage convert and win situations? Tight End usage? What tight ends? Poor Billy doesnt have any talent, boo hoo he gets a pass because the mean old Tricky Ricky didnt help him. Sad face. What about just basic X's and O's ? Kubiak had guys wide open all over the field .. all the time. Guys only appeared open last year because Deshaun was extending plays waiting for guys to break contain. It wasnt scheme based it was all skill based with your QB.
Oh yeah and then the Texans start playing like Clemson and what? Bill Obrien is a genius!! LOL I mean the easiest, most sound thing to do is to make the QB feel comortable and it takes OBrien weeks to understand that HIS SYSTEM is ****, and wont work with the current personnel. Did Kubiak need All Pros to make his system work? Nope. His system made players, not the other way around.
Best "in your face moment" ever? Kubiak raising the championship trophy with Wade 2 years after being run out of town as a washed up coach. Karma is real!
OBrien will never be half the coach Kubiak was/IS.
"but .. but .. for 6 games we were the best team in the world!!!" LMAO let me know when they shorten the season.
TheRealJoker
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Not likely a trade happens now but i’d still take the more proven commodity over a project with DW4’s health at stake.
Why couldn’t they just coach everyone up to play well if that’s all there is to it? Kendall Lamm playing LT?! No worries just coach him up!
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Sorry, stopped reading after the dumbass "buttchin apologist" comment (I'm not a O'Brien apologist..just not a blind hater).. really not going to waste my time reading a post that long when it starts off like that, because I can only assume where it goes from there. Sorry you wasted the keystrokes.
Carr Bombed
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I'm really intrigued to see how Thomas develops and how he performs in camp.. He was the only prospect to break the 11 inch hand barrier at the combine! Any bigger and the guy could almost palm a sideways football lol. Also 6'6 275 pounds and he played WR..freak.
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Texansballer74
The Marine
But either one of them CV could be sleepers. What if you get rid of one of them or both and they end up being HOF type talent. You don't get rid of potential that could truly help Watson out.
But I get what you are saying
Texansballer74
The Marine
I'm really intrigued to see how Thomas develops and how he performs in camp.. He was the only prospect to break the 11 inch hand barrier at the combine! Any bigger and the guy could almost palm a sideways football lol. Also 6'7 260 pounds and he played WR..freak.
I'm looking forward to seeing what this big fella could do on the field as well. He's going to be a nightmare for both the LB's and secondary.
Bruce Ellington and WR like him...a veteran slot WR with little or no career production can be found where the Texans found him last year. Anything above a condition 7th rounder should be considered armed robbery ...
Dwayne Allen is 5 million dollar, 10 catch in 2017 career underperformer...just because we heard of the dude does not make him a good football player.
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Was about to post this. We should've signed him, we wouldn't of had to change a thing if Watson got hurt. He would've been the perfect backup here.
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Anyways I don't see the Ravens letting Griffin go in Jackson's rookie season. I think they'll carry 3.
infantrycak
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They will probably carry 3. But let's not romanticize RGIII. Cody Kessler beat the hell out of his last NFL play on the same crappy Browns team. 92.3 v 72.5 ratings. He also was taking sacks left & right. In 8 starts, 9 games Kessler had 21. In 5 games RGIII had 22.
Carr Bombed
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I just like him, because athletically he can do the same things Watson can do so not much scheme wise will have to change if God forbid Watson misses a game or two. A year out of football humbled him I'm sure and I think he's a upgrade over Weeden.
Fred
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I completely disagree with the RGIII and Watson do the same things nonsense. Both are mobile - that is it - the end.
Watson uses his mobility to extend the play and to avoid contact. RGIII uses his mobility to abandon the play and run head on, full speed into the hardest hitting defensive player on the field.
I'll take Weeden over RGIII any day. I'll take RGIII over, err, Johnny Manziel or Tom Savage. Maybe over Brock O.
Carr Bombed
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Calm down.. I didn't say that they do the same things.. I said athletically they can. Sheesh.
Also RGIII did nothing what you described tonight.
And no, I wouldn't take Weeden over RGIII, did you watch him play at all last year?
badboy
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Waddle. Henderson RT played 26 starts there for U. of Miami. He started 27 of 34 with Bills after being drafted 7th round. 2014 rookie season started all 16 at RT and led all NFL players in performance based pay (not big deal but significant to keep in mind). Medically he only missed three games for injury/health when diagnosed with Crohn's 2015. 2016 was the four game suspension with follow up of 10 game suspension. We've beat that to death. My understanding he was signed to start at RT unless Davenport couldn't handle LT.
Martinas Rankins drafted with hopes he could at some point beat out one of the prior two. Injury will slow him some but he and RT Jones-Smith, Jaryd (started 9 at RT 2017 after playing in last 8 2016 after the surgery in 2015). I think both of the latter will have all this season to heal and learn. If Henderson is gone after 2018, I think either of these two will start RT 2019; even better if Henderson is so good he is extended.
I don't have Lamm or Roderick Johnson making team; however Anthony Coyle and Quess still interest me for RT.
Texansballer74
The Marine
I'm thinking Carr is saying we won't miss that much of a beat if we had RG3. Of course Watson skillsets are better. But you won't have to alter your playbook much if you had him as a backup. Maybe Webb could be that guy as well.
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TheRealJoker
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1) He’s mainly a blocking Y TE which we do not have as a proven commodity on this roster. Unless you really drink the Kool Aide on the converted college WR.
2) 8 td catches in 2014 on 29 catches and 6 tds on 35 catches in 2016. Our most experienced TE Ryan Griffin has had more than 20 catches once in his career and 7 career tds.
3) Clemson connection for the media to run with...
You are fooling yourself if you don’t think the team would be better with Dwayne Allen at TE. Not a superstar but a solid vet.
Losing CJ to retirement was a tremendous blow to this team.
Yawn
Yikes. It's just a bit of annual ribbing humor?
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I know.. just didn't like the whole "McNair is the most racist owner in the league" crap.
"Racist/racism" is a label that gets tossed around way too loosely these days. It's just a pet peeve of mine and irritates me to no end.
austins23
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There, that's better.
Fred
Veteran
Technically Weeden has legs and is not in a wheelchair. So he run the same plays as Watson and Griffin. Slower than both, but probably more effectively than Griffin.
No, I did not watch him at all last year since neither one of them played last year. The last time Weeden was seen in live action he posted a 107 rating while leading the Texans to a 2-0 record. He looked OK. Griffin - not so much.
Trail.Blazr
Hooked up to a Kool-Aid IV
Your statement in bold supports the rankings you posted. 2006 the final year of the Carr era. 2007-2013 is the Schaub years. 2014-2016 a carousel of garbage journeymen backups under center. 2017 is a mixed bag of Savage, Watson and Yates, of which Watson only started 6.
I'm not going to suggest X's and O's don't factor in, but I do feel that Kube's had the benefit of the only consistently adequate QB to support the offensive rankings of his tenure. I enjoyed that system. BoB, short of 6 starts, hasn't had the luxury of toys that Kubiak was afforded.
I have to agree that Kubiak was/is a better coach. But if OBrien gets a number of seasons with a relatively health Watson, from what small sample I've seen, he could likely have similar success Kubiak had. A decent O-Line wouldn't hurt either. But, even the best of coaches will flounder with a turd under center. I'm not willing to concede the "never" part of that statement. Give the guy a fair chance to make a run, then I might. So far, like it or not, he's not had that luxury.
Trail.Blazr
Hooked up to a Kool-Aid IV
As a further note to my last post...
the 2011 Offense:
WR1 Andre Johnson
LT Duane Brown
LG Wade Smith
C Chris Myers
RG Darius Morris
RT Eric Winston
TE Owen Daniels
WR2 Kevin Walter
QB Matt Schaub
RB Arian Foster Ben Tate
FB James Casey
Take that starting roster and replace Schaub with Watson, and I would wager Colleen O'Brien could make it work.
Side note: Remember this season's cries being about Jacoby Jones' inconsistency and Trindon Holiday's Jeckyl and Hyde returns? I really enjoyed that season, till about week 10. F#^*ing killed a likely SuperBowl berth.
the 2011 Offense:
WR1 Andre Johnson
LT Duane Brown
LG Wade Smith
C Chris Myers
RG Darius Morris
RT Eric Winston
TE Owen Daniels
WR2 Kevin Walter
QB Matt Schaub
RB Arian Foster Ben Tate
FB James Casey
Take that starting roster and replace Schaub with Watson, and I would wager Colleen O'Brien could make it work.
Side note: Remember this season's cries being about Jacoby Jones' inconsistency and Trindon Holiday's Jeckyl and Hyde returns? I really enjoyed that season, till about week 10. F#^*ing killed a likely SuperBowl berth.
infantrycak
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2011 Holliday had 1 punt return and 0 kick returns.
Trail.Blazr
Hooked up to a Kool-Aid IV
Ummm, thought it was 2011, but admit uncertainty. What season was it where he either had an incredible return or royally screwwed the pooch?
infantrycak
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Had to be 2012 and he was only here for the 1st 5 games and then went to Denver.
That's because he spelled 'Mike Brisiel' wrong
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Allen is a plus blocker, but is that worth what it would take...sending an asset from the team and good if not top level salary??? Given that the Texans did not appear to make moves to add inline blocking, I would question how often are the Texans going to use a traditional next to the tackle TE...not buying the player or need that you are trying to paint
TheRealJoker
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I agree that the moves made this offseason point to less importance for the role of a blocking Y TE in this offense. I guess they will be trying to make the edge rushers "read" DW4 via RPO misdirection rather than the traditional "have a good blocking TE help the OT" route.
Seems they prefer to use an OT for that role
TheRealJoker
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yes, or even take the guesswork out for DE and you the 3rd/4th offensive tackles as TE again
TheRealJoker
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Putting an OL as an extra TE isn’t a go-to move for any NFL team. It’s a plan of desperation. Last season they went to it because all 3 TEs were injured with concussions in week one. And went back to it as injuries arose at the position again and the healthy TEs were not competent enough at blocking. At that point in the interest of getting through the games with a healthy QB they gave up the possibility of an extra pass catcher for the defense to think about.
CloakNNNdagger
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Texans don't want all WRs catching with one hand very often
By Aaron Wilson, Houston Chronicle
August 4, 2018
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You don't say!...........not everyone wears 3XL gloves like Andre. Most passes that a receiver can get one hand on the ball, can get both on the ball. I've seen some of our players "practicing" to catch the ball with one hand. These are the same people that have had problems catching with two. I'm not sure that their is merit in practicing something that in most situations would be considered poor technique.
By Aaron Wilson, Houston Chronicle
August 4, 2018
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You don't say!...........not everyone wears 3XL gloves like Andre. Most passes that a receiver can get one hand on the ball, can get both on the ball. I've seen some of our players "practicing" to catch the ball with one hand. These are the same people that have had problems catching with two. I'm not sure that their is merit in practicing something that in most situations would be considered poor technique.
CloakNNNdagger
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Aaron Wilson@AaronWilson_NFL 6h6 hours ago
Texans WR Braxton Miller dropped a potential touchdown in corner of the end zone on a well-thrown pass he tried to one-hand it. Arrow has mostly been pointing up, though, for Miller at camp with a lot of progress made by former college quarterback
Texans WR Braxton Miller dropped a potential touchdown in corner of the end zone on a well-thrown pass he tried to one-hand it. Arrow has mostly been pointing up, though, for Miller at camp with a lot of progress made by former college quarterback