TheRealJoker
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They have him at RG currently. Which is the position he played in college. I think he’ll do very well there. Very good pass blocker strong against the bull rush.
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They have him at RG currently. Which is the position he played in college. I think he’ll do very well there. Very good pass blocker strong against the bull rush.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
https://houston.sportsmap.com/fred-...uestions-no-one-is-talking-about-biggest-one/
Buttchin should have been on hot seat this year instead he has a warm blanky for a few more years.
I wonder what a REAL offensive guru could do with Deshaun.
Buttchin should have been on hot seat this year instead he has a warm blanky for a few more years.
I wonder what a REAL offensive guru could do with Deshaun.
usernameJJ
Waterboy
I agree with this article 100%. I have always cringed at OB's game management. Sometimes it's like amateur hour, Any Reid-ish.
badboy
Hall of Fame
You are confirming Zach Fulton is lining RG in training camp? Everything I have says he is to play left guard. Roster depth chart also shows him at LG with Kelemete at right guard..
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
I posted in State of the OL thread when I read it:
https://mobile.twitter.com/texanscap/status/1022495244942753793
This is pretty much how I feel. Oh it's easy to say we will have double digits wins and be in the Playoffs, and you can bet some folks will say just that, and you know who they are gonna be. Talk is always cheap.
Like Carr Bombed says - if DW stays healthy all year and we go 500 I'm gonna be satisfied and more than anything emotionally speaking I'll relieved.
Then we would go into the 2019 Draft with a full slate of picks and a good cap space # for free agency at which time we can dream big for the upcoming '19 season
and talk trash.
badboy
Hall of Fame
thanks! completely missed that..Roderick Johnson starting at RT per link questions. What is "new 3 man front (offense)" mentioned by texanscap?
Max
Veteran
I'm fairly close to your take but I wouldn't leave it at Watsons health alone for feeling good about 2019. Is JJ JAG (or worse) with that contract? Not sure if he'll renegotiate but McNair doesn't seem like the type of guy to cut ties with the face of the franchise, especially after everything he's done for this city. Clowney's knee. Is Merciless back? Is Kevin Johnson back/was he ever really there? JJo's wheels? Finding 2 starting cb's next off-season is quite a task when you consider we might need 2 OT's. Are these TE's going to pan out in Bob's new scheme? Lots of questions to be answered this year that if many aren't answered satisfactorily will leave us with too many holes to fill for even a 2 year plan with Gaines. Man, I started out feeling good about the team today.
Probably design an offense for Watson that leads the league in scoring like BOB did with Watson.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Lol. And lead the league in worst red zone TDs and scoring %? How about utilizing a gazelle for a RB as a battering ram .. pretty good idea huh? Bob gets so much slack around here it's pitiful.
Deshaun Watson was the only reason the offense looked competent and most of the time he's running off script.
How much better than the Best scoring offense in the league do you want.
This tells me that there is nothing BOB can do to satisfy your expectations. It's really kind of sad when you think about it.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Texansballer74
The Marine
You're acting as if his offense been lighting up the league from day one. His offense wasn't showing any life until #4 hit the field. And what's crazy, you didn't even want the youngster to play last season. Smh
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
So installing a RPO offense on the fly and then having your rookie QB run that RPO offense on the fly is "running off script."..okay.
If you think O'Brien has got "so much slack around here" (sorry imo, I'm not seeing it) you must've really been pissed off during the Kubiak years.. just saying.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Take out all the big play breakdowns and situations where Deshaun improvised and you will get the same thing you've gotten before #4 .. mediocre or below average offensive production. Not even your cherry picker stat can make OBrien look good.
Buttchin should thank Deshaun every single day for saving his job.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
LMAO Buttchin modified the "plays" because Deshaun is going to deviate most of the time anyway from an unimaginative subpar coach.
I miss Kubiak. I miss having a true offensive guru running the show and I salivate at what he could do with Deshaun.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Not only that the defense scored some too. And he should thank Watson for getting him a hefty raise too.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
If modify equals change to fit your QBs strengths and skill set, then I agree.
And Deshaun Watson didn't deviate from plays..he simply played in a designed offense that gave him more flexibility and freedom for a signal caller.. That IS what a RPO offense allows. I mean O'Brien could've easily been the stubborn dumbass that you think he is and tried to just pound a square peg (Watson) into a round hole (offense designed for Savage).
As far as Kubiak, I too am intrigued to see what Watson would do in that offense, mainly because of the success it supplied the running game, but let's not act like Kubiak would give Deshaun a lot of freedom..he was known as a control freak and even had a power struggle with the greatest on the field play caller of all time.
O'Brien just needs to get the damn running game/Oline fixed.. from a passing and skill set position, they're explosive.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Big homie why didn't he modify it to fit Savage strengths? Why didn't he apply that to Miller? We all know he's not a back who is good between the tackles. Why wasn't he running more screen plays to his skilled guys? How about moving the pocket to help an immobilized QB verses having him get killed behind that atrocious line.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
First of all, I'm not your "big homie"
Second.. what the hell did you want him to modify to with Savage? That's a dumb question.. the only thing he could do was modify AWAY FROM Savage, which is the reason why he yanked his ass at halftime. That was the modification.
As far as Miller, yes he isn't very good between the tackles, but and I wish we had someone else, but you have to stick your nose in there and can't just exclusively run outside. I believe this is why they drafted Foreman, who I also believe would be the starter on this team is he didn't get hurt. Miller simply isn't a starter ...he's okay.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Oh my f'n lord. Moving right along. If I knew you were going to literally take my comment or damn questions the wrong way. I wouldn't have asked you.
Yall people take stuff literally too damn sensitive.
I never in my life seen people take words like big homie the wrong freaking way.
Geeezzzz
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Texansballer74
The Marine
And why keep a joker for 4 years and don't know his damn strengths and weaknesses. He was so confident in Savage knowing the offense and it transforming on the freaking field. And that was not a dumb question at all. But for some damn reason you thought I was attacking you. And that was not the freaking case.
Texansballer74
The Marine
sorry, I'm having a shitty day..I apologize. Sorry.
Understood and all good. I hope your day gets better.
Big homie only means friend. And I consider all of you my Texans friends. We're all been on here for quite some time.
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Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Sometimes players are just badass in practice and you don't really know what they are until the game starts. Something tells me that's what happened last season between Savage and Watson. Watson is the opposite..he can look like a overwhelmed rookie in practice or preseason, but when the real lights came on, he played like the best QB in the NFL.
Also while yes, Savage was here for 4 years, but it's not like O'Brien ever wanted him to be the long term answer. We kept signing/trading for QBs to fill that role while Savage was here so O'Brien's only error with him was thinking that Savage could be a bridge for a Watson red shirt year.. and it took him just one half to admit it.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Okay, Big homie.. it's all good.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Savage played a few games prior to last season. And to some they saw vast improvements from his rookie year. I truly believe Obrien thought he was ready because he actually played and performed decent during those few games. His hand was forced when they brought Brock here. Bill Obrien wanted veterans during his first few years. So Savage a 4th round pick wasn't going to start over Fitzpatrick, Hoyer or Mallett. And rightfully so wouldn't you agree? My point is Obrien should've played to Savage strengths as well, not just Watson, Fitzpatrick and Hoyer. He also shouldn't have known his offensive line was that bad at pass protection. So do something different to help him and that line out.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
The Pats released Jordan Matthews today. Combined with Cooks departure and Edelman’s suspension they have a need at WR.
I wonder if the Texans will be making a deal with them for one of their slot WRs (Ellington or Miller) in exchange for a draft pick or maybe one of those Pats RBs. Don’t think Ellington or Miller could get Burkhead who is what i’d want.
Or maybe a TE like Dwayne Allen?
I wonder if the Texans will be making a deal with them for one of their slot WRs (Ellington or Miller) in exchange for a draft pick or maybe one of those Pats RBs. Don’t think Ellington or Miller could get Burkhead who is what i’d want.
Or maybe a TE like Dwayne Allen?
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CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Reading through many of these posts, it seems that Watson didn't and still doesn't need a coach to make him successful.
Max
Veteran
Draw it up in the dirt in the huddle and he'll be in the pro bowl.
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
Crappy part is OB will get all the credit if Watson succeeds. We know better....
Texansballer74
The Marine
Of course he needs a coach doc. But let's not act like dude didn't utilize his feet and smarts on a lot of plays in which no other QB that played in O'brien's system could do. The only one that improvised a little was Fitzpatrick. And let's be honest here who really knew what type of offense Bill was running anyways. We all took a gander at it but none of us got it right. Hahaha it was that bad. NEW ENGLAND 2.O VERSION
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Couldn't care less if they win.
austins23
Hall of Fame
Kubiak had Daniels and Foster. But I agree with you, Kubiak could scheme a TE or WR open in a phone booth. Buttchin couldn't do it in a empty rodeo arena.
True, but see above. Watson wouldn't need to be running for his life with open receivers.
Texansballer74
The Marine
As you can see a few already saying Rick got lucky. He doesn't deserve to be credited for drafting Watson.
You mean after the 1st half of the 1st game. Then BOB re-designed his offense to fit Watson's skillset with best offense in the NFL results. I will admit (Rightfully I didn't want Watson to play behind last yrs OL because I knew those guys were so bad that he was ultimately going to get injured.)
I hope he can stay healthy this yr but odds are against it happening behind the new backup OL. I certainly hope I'm wrong.
Top scoring offense in the league, what more do you want and who do you want to replace BOB? How much better do you think your chosen replacement can do than BOB/Watson and why do you think your chosen HC could do better? Tell me again what was the avg PPG when BOB/Watson were together?
LaAdrian Waddle ?
Help out an OL of Clark/XSF/Martin/Allen/Breno with a dose of Lamm.
You are one funny guy. At some point you've gotta admit those guys sucked. But probably isn't going to happen.
Texansballer74
The Marine
I've always said they suck but it was masked when Watson was out there. How hard is that for a very intelligent person like yourself to grasp. Putting up those type of a number, especially for a rookie, was not by luck. The offensive line did play apart of those numbers whether you want to admit it or not.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Again the offensive line wasn't the reason why he got hurt. It was a fluke accident. The Brady rule comes to mind. Dude jumped over Miller (RB) and landed at Watson planted foot. That's probably the reason why he got injured. ( it wasn't confirmed) because they said it happened in practice on a none contact play. ( it was a rollout)
I don't think anybody said they were confident in the new offensive line. I've said, let's wait and see before dooming them a failure. We have to see at least 8 regular season games to give a good evaluation of who they are.
This is a classic talking out of both sides of your mouth post.
They sucked but played a part,
What part? They sucked by your own admission.
Only thing I wonder is did Ricky build that OL and with BOB being the OC hoped BOB sucked and would get fired due to an inept offense? Personally I dont think you could get less talent on an OL if you tried, which tells me alot about Ricky's motives. Luckily it backfired on Ricky.
badboy
Hall of Fame
this is good discussion point. Miller I take about anything. Ellington I'd be down for a 4th. I really think he is going to be a solid long time vet & Braxton's injuries leave me doubtful. Of course that indicates PATs know that too. Most would agree that Fuller and Nuk starters and everything indicates Keke was born to play slot and a lot. If I believed we had a TE that could be a major target for #4 I would be less uneasy about moving Miller but hey (Charlie Casserly) I do not have him making roster anyways. In summary, BM for anything would be a slam dunk. For right price, Ellington can be had as he will be WR #4 unless Coutee bombs out. Texans, Jags, Detroit and Dolphins 4 games suspension for Edelman. Does Belechick risk any of these games for a lower round pick? Or is he willing to gamble? I don't see NE giving up Burkhead and Waddleman doesn't help us. As much as we need something now, don't think NE gives us anything we could use. So---draft pick? Some really good players should be there in fourth round especially CBs, LBs and a QB.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Nevermind. Especially if we have to always be disrespectful because we don't agree on this matter. I've posted film showing great pass protection as well as Watson utilizing his feet. But you could see that if you actually watch the film instead of trying to be right. Look at the film dude.
And no Rick did not put that line together to sabotage Obrien job as well as his job. No did not do that to get Watson or Savage purposely killed. Why would anybody even think that. Especially with him working for this organization for that long. Come on Steel you're reaching as well as putting a horrible narrative about Rick.
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TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Would love to get a 4th for Ellington!
Don’t think the Pats would give up an OT. They are thin at the position with Solder/Fleming gone.
The more I think about it Dwayne Allen for Miller or Ellington would make a ton of sense for both teams. Gives the Texans a veteran Y TE that has proven to be both a capable blocker and productive in the redzone. And the Pats get a young slot WR with upside.
As it stands right now this team has a possible surplus at WR and a glaring need at TE. OT as well but the Pats are also thin at that spot.
Add the fact that OB has stated that TE is the 2nd hardest position to learn in his offense outside of QB and you know he would like to add a veteran like Allen in the room.
Make it happen Gaine!
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CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Come on, now. Their part may not have been very obvious.........but it was extremely important to Watson's success........
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
I don't see the Texans trading for a TE and I don't think the Texans are going to have the "gaping hole" at that position that people think they will. They already invested 2 draft picks at the position and reports on them have been very good (especially Jordan Thomas), I think that the Texans are going to work on developing them.
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