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Which off-season moves would you like the Texans to make? (Roster/FA)

michaelm said:
How much cap savings for Miller himself?
I know it's been posted in this thread but don't have time to go back and look

I would be fine cutting him but also fine if they decide to keep him as long as they improve the line
I think they really need to re-sign Blue.
He has special teams value and to be honest I think I trust him more than Miller at RB.
He was running hard last year and I thought he showed that he was an improved player. And that's coming from someone who was ready to throw Blue on the scrap heap pretty much every season he has been here
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4.8M and 4.7M for Miller and Allen. Post 1st June cut it bumps up to 6.1M and 5.7M.
 
honored82 said:
4.8M and 4.7M for Miller and Allen. Post 1st June cut it bumps up to 6.1M and 5.7M.
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That $$$$ would get you Pugh and Hubbard. You would also have about 30-35 mil to spend on Sitton/Demps/CB/a vet RB.

I could see this happening.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Demps is 33 years old...........AND only played to week 3 last year after he was placed on IR for a broken arm. He was designated to return, but after 3 weeks back with the team they never activated him and placed him on permanent IR. Not much public info as to why. But from what I have found out is that he suffered nerve damage at the time of his fracture (or possibly from the open fracture repair surgery itself) and had not regained adequate function/strength. The most common nerve to be affected in such fractures (and they are rare to begin with) is the ulnar nerve. Deficits caused by damage to this nerve could be devastating to a safety (for that matter any position)........as it is responsible for flexion and adduction of the wrist, and flexion of the fingers. Without examining him, it would be impossible to know if these functions have returned, or if they are successfully progressing or not to return.
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Is it more or less likely Demps arm healed up just fine?

I think the Bears decided to go young at S when their season started off badly and they didn't see a need to activate Demps.
 
Mangler said:
I think so too, but will it? These moves would definitely make some serious improvements!
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We shall see, but these are the types of moves that need to be made to fix some of the holes on the roster. Out with the old, in with the new, that's what happens when a team finishes 4-12.
 
You could give me the same roster as last year's 4-12 team, except have a healthy Deshuan Watson, and this team is probably as good as a few playoff teams in the AFC. We're definitely better than the Titans, a team we spanked with ease, 57-14, with a healthy Deshaun.

Add to that a healthy Watt and Mercilus, along with any other improvements we can make in free agency and the draft, and by default this team is very capable of being much improved.

The key is having a healthy #4 on the field.
When he was on the field this team competed.
They were a lot of fun to watch as well.
 
steelbtexan said:
Is it more or less likely Demps arm healed up just fine?

I think the Bears decided to go young at S when their season started off badly and they didn't see a need to activate Demps.
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Whether they wanted to go younger, they wanted and were counting on Demps to come back last season, but his arm wouldn't stand up to activating him. Whether his nerve makes it back this year can only be determined by examining him to evaluate his nerve status.
 
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Houston Texans: The Houston Texans have middling returns to show for the signing of Lamar Miller in 2016. He hasn't looked comfortable with the task of being the team's feature back. Houston can get out from under Miller's contract with just $2 million in dead money, but the team would have little else at the position if it threw in the towel on that signing. D'Onta Foreman looked like a potential difference-maker as a rookie, averaging 4.03 yards gained after defenders closed within 1 yard of him (NFL average: 3.66), per Next Gen Stats. Unfortunately, he tore his Achilles tendon in mid-November, making it unwise for the Texans to count on him as their lead back next year. The team should pursue possible options to usurp Miller while also holding out hope Foreman can return to form for his sophomore campaign.

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JB said:
Not performing up to contract?
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Just like dude so nicely stated. That has to be our opinion correct? We do not know how the Texans brass grades these two players performances. Haven't we all broke down the offensive lines run blocking performances. So what makes anyone think we would get a top level performance from any back.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Just like dude so nicely stated. That has to be our opinion correct? We do not know how the Texans brass grades these two players performances. Haven't we all broke down the offensive lines run blocking performances. So what makes anyone think we would get a top level performance from any back.
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Your argument fails because the suggestion is that they attempt to upgrade both positions not only focus on one.
 
Houston Texans
The Texans have more than $56 million of cap space, and they need to spend most of it to fill holes on both sides of the ball. Houston doesn't have a first- or second-round pick in the draft, so the team will need to address its glaring needs along the offensive line and in the secondary through free agency. The Texans might not have to spend much to keep any of their own players, so expect most of it to go to external options. -- Sarah Barshop
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Houston Texans
The Texans have more than $56 million of cap space, and they need to spend most of it to fill holes on both sides of the ball. Houston doesn't have a first- or second-round pick in the draft, so the team will need to address its glaring needs along the offensive line and in the secondary through free agency. The Texans might not have to spend much to keep any of their own players, so expect most of it to go to external options. -- Sarah Barshop
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Checked this site for Texans free agents.

https://overthecap.com/free-agency/houston-texans/

Didn't see anyone I would get into a bidding war to keep.

Sad isn't it? On another site J Joseph came in as #62 of the top 100.

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/78124/309/2018-nfl-free-agent-top-100

:coffee:
 
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I didn't really watch many Teams besides the Texans last Season, so I don't really know what I am talking about. But here are the FA I would try to get:

1. Nate Solder - we Need a LT desperately. We Need to keenp DW healthy. Solder is the only capable LT on the market - we will have to overpay, and I wouldn't consider him top 10, maybe not even top 15 at his Position. But I want someone who is able to protect Watson. And I wouldn't trust a rookie here.

2. Andrew Nowell - we also Need Quality at our interiour line. And Nowell is by far the best prospect here. Again, we probably have to overpay, but having a good line will be worth it. Helps our running game, helps to cut down injuries, and of Course that helps our passing game.

3. Lamarcus Joyner - our secondary looked horrible, and the biggest reason for that was our safety Play. Joyner would give us that Center fielder, that can also cover Slot Receivers.

Those three would be my top priority. Maybe add another G or RT like Justin Pugh. I would draft a HB early (so probably in the 3d) and some more OL/secondary help.

We have the cap space, we should use it - even if it means overspending.
 
welsh texan said:
Your argument fails because the suggestion is that they attempt to upgrade both positions not only focus on one.
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What!!!!!!

A upgrade could be only to line, in which could very well open up lanes for Miller to run through and be very productive. So no sir my argument is not a failure. You probably refuse to see things in a different prospective.

Upgrading the line will be a great benefit for the entir team. Especially with a healthy Watson.
 
welsh texan said:
Your argument fails because the suggestion is that they attempt to upgrade both positions not only focus on one.
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What!!!!!!

A upgrade could be addressed only to line, in which could very well open up lanes for Miller to run through and be very productive. So no sir my argument is not a failure. You probably refuse to see things in a different prospective.

Upgrading the line will be a great benefit for the entire team. Especially with a healthy Watson.
 
Here are a few free agents with salary projections from www.spotrac.com and grades from www.profootballfocus.com


Offensive Live

Andrew Norwell, G – 5 years $58,924,976 ($11.7 million annual) – PFF grade = 88.8 High Quality

Josh Sitton, G, - N/A – PFF grade = 86.0 High Quality

Josh Kline, G – 3 years $30,678,005 ($10.2 million annual) – PFF grade = 75.8 Average

Nate Solder, LT – 2 years $26,561,515 ($13.2 million annual) – PFF grade = 75.7 Average

Justin Pugh, G – 4 years $25,605,567 ($6.4 million annual) – Mostly injured



Tight End

Jimmy Graham, TE – 3 years $20,194,848 ($6.7 million annual) – PFF grade = 54.1 Poor

Auatin Seferian=Jenkins, TE – 3 years $12,459,294 ($4.1 million annual) – PFF grade = 47.7 Poor



Secondary

Lamarcus Joyner, FS – 5 years $53,247,260 ($10.6 million annual) – PFF grade = 90.3 Elite

Tyvon Branch, SS – 1 year $5,093,512 – PFF grade = 88.5 High Quality

EJ Gaines, CB – 4 years $37,467,628 ($9.3 million annual) – PFF grade = 86.6 High Quality

Kyle Fuller, CB - N/A - PFF grade 84.3 Above Average

Eric Reid, SS – 4 years $34,681,248 (8.6 million annual) – PFF = 81.4 Above Average

Tre Boston, FS – 5 years $41,057,800 ($8.2 million annual) – PFF grade = 81.4 Above Average

Malcolm Butler, CB – 5 years $65,036,065 ($13 million annual) – PFF grade = 79.2 Average

Trumaine Johnson, CB – 5 years $68,336,135 ($13.6 million annual) – PFF grade = 74.2 Average
 
Not official yet, but the Saints are rumored to be releasing Safety K. Vaccaro. What do you guys think about adding him to the secondary? He shouldn't "break the bank" so to speak.
 
The Texans sure have kept their mouths shut pretty good this offseason, or are they not going to participate in Free Agency again? Would be nice to at least have an idea who they have in mind for all these dang holes we need filled on all three sides of the ball.
 
Mangler said:
The Texans sure have kept their mouths shut pretty good this offseason, or are they not going to participate in Free Agency again? Would be nice to at least have an idea who they have in mind for all these dang holes we need filled on all three sides of the ball.
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patience grasshopper

tomorrow is but March 1... nothing can happen for 2 weeks
 
Mangler said:
The Texans sure have kept their mouths shut pretty good this offseason, or are they not going to participate in Free Agency again? Would be nice to at least have an idea who they have in mind for all these dang holes we need filled on all three sides of the ball.
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Man that will drive Steel crazy. Haha they better be active in free agency.
 
Mangler said:
The Texans sure have kept their mouths shut pretty good this offseason, or are they not going to participate in Free Agency again? Would be nice to at least have an idea who they have in mind for all these dang holes we need filled on all three sides of the ball.
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This is the time of year to believe none of what you hear and half of what you see until after the draft. I'm content that they are acknowledging the holes they do have.
 
IDEXAN said:
I don't think there's any doubt they will be very active but it remains to be sceen how successful they will be because there will be lots of other teams also very active in the market for FAs.
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Working for the Texans is they are amongst the teams with the most cap space... and the other teams with a similar amount of cap space will be spending it on one of the QBs hitting FA in the strongest FA QB class in recent memory.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Working for the Texans is they are amongst the teams with the most cap space... and the other teams with a similar amount of cap space will be spending it on one of the QBs hitting FA in the strongest FA QB class in recent memory.
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Not the case at all. Of the top 7 teams only two are in the QB market. (Browns and Jets). The Colts, Bucs, 49ers and Bears all have a top of the draft young guy or have spent a lot of money already on their guy. There is a 15 million gap between the top 7 and the rest of the teams.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space
 
IDEXAN said:
I don't think there's any doubt they will be very active but it remains to be sceen how successful they will be because there will be lots of other teams also very active in the market for FAs.
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They are going to have to hit their primary targets (**) with crazy money contracts while keeping the cap in mind. Those targets for me:

LT- Nate Solder** (5 Yrs 70M / 25M Guaranteed 2 Yrs)
RT- Seantrell Henderson (Vet Min Contract). **A very cheap investment to see if he can help bridge the position**
RG- Andrew Norwell** (5 Yrs 75M / 39M Guaranteed 3 Yrs)
LG- Sitton ** (4 Yrs 60M / 18M Guaranteed 2 Yrs)

RB- Blue (2 Yr 1.5M) **I like his chances of improvement behind a more dominant OL**

WR- Eric Decker (???- Reasonable) **Could be an inexpensive addition but very interesting**

DE- Muhammad Wilkerson** (2 Yrs 14M / 5M Guaranteed 1 Yr) **Could cover nicely at DE if Watt falters**
DE- Jared Crick (???- Reasonable) **Decent insurance since he knows the system**

CB- Jonathan Joseph (2 Yrs 10M). **Could shine again with a healthy Front 7**
CB- TJ Carrie (???- Reasonable). **Might like the idea of being a DB on this team, of course, due to its Front 7**

SS- Marcus Gilchrist (2 Yrs 5.5M). **Improves with better Front 7**

FS- Eddie Pleasant (2 Yrs 2.2M). **Improves with better Front 7**

Since I cut Kareem Jackson to free up Cap Space....I will try to re-sign cheap but there may be competition for his services. It's a risk worth taking.

DB- Kareem Jackson (2 Yrs 10M / 4M Guarnteed). **I'd try him at FS, then SS and let him CB last. My guess has always been that he would be a different player as FS**
 
dream_team said:
The other way you can look at it is we don’t let our good players reach UFA status. If we didn’t extend DHop, he’d be one of the most sought after FAs.
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Guess that's the best way to look at it. Might help one remain sane.

But it is still a little disconcerting that we have so few high value players.

1) QB - Looks great but still early No backup.

0) RB's - Millers OK but not high value - Foreman... maybe?

1) WR - D-Hop, Fuller might make it but not available enough Miller disappointing.

1?) O linemen? - Had hope for Martin but jury still out on him. Rest.. What the hell! How did that happen?

D players - A little better shape. Clowney, McKinney, Merci, Watkins, Reader, couple of promising LB's. Had hope for Decoud but not encouraged so far. Back end in shambles. Must keep all starters on field or all hell breaks loose. Regretfully I don't see JJ making it back to anywhere near what he was. I sure hope I am wrong about that. Maybe our new S&C coach can keep them on the field and out of the tub.

D Probably better than what Vrabel was able to get out of them. Glad to see RAC back.

Could go down the entire roster and majority are JAG's or worse. Most can't even play decent ST's.

Gaine doesn't have the problem of 'who do we franchise' ?

:coffee: aka Capt. Obvious
 
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cuppacoffee said:
Guess that's the best way to look at it. Might help one remain sane.

But it is still a little disconcerting that we have so few high value players.

1) QB - Looks great but still early No backup.

0) RB's - Millers OK but not high value - Foreman... maybe?

1) WR - D-Hop, Fuller might make it but not available enough Miller disappointing.

1?) O linemen? - Had hope for Martin but jury still out on him. Rest.. What the hell! How did that happen?

D players - A little better shape. Clowney, McKinney, Merci, Watkins, Reader, couple of promising LB's. Had hope for Decoud but not encouraged so far. Back end in shambles. Must keep all starters on field or all hell breaks loose. Regretfully I don't see JJ making it back to anywhere near what he was. I sure hope I am wrong about that. Maybe our new S&C coach can keep them on the field and out of the tub.

D Probably better than what Vrabel was able to get out of them. Glad to see RAC back.

Could go down the entire roster and majority are JAG's or worse. Most can't even play decent ST's.

Gaine doesn't have the problem of 'who do we franchise' ?

:coffee: aka Capt. Obvious
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Spot On

Gaine has quite a mess to clean up. If Watson stays healthy he can help cover a multitude of issues. If Gaine can hit on 3 FA's and a couple of draft picks the team can make the playoffs next season. That's if injuries dont decimate the team again.

So there's hope.
 
cuppacoffee said:
Guess that's the best way to look at it. Might help one remain sane.

But it is still a little disconcerting that we have so few high value players.

1) QB - Looks great but still early No backup.

0) RB's - Millers OK but not high value - Foreman... maybe?

1) WR - D-Hop, Fuller might make it but not available enough Miller disappointing.

1?) O linemen? - Had hope for Martin but jury still out on him. Rest.. What the hell! How did that happen?

D players - A little better shape. Clowney, McKinney, Merci, Watkins, Reader, couple of promising LB's. Had hope for Decoud but not encouraged so far. Back end in shambles. Must keep all starters on field or all hell breaks loose. Regretfully I don't see JJ making it back to anywhere near what he was. I sure hope I am wrong about that. Maybe our new S&C coach can keep them on the field and out of the tub.

D Probably better than what Vrabel was able to get out of them. Glad to see RAC back.

Could go down the entire roster and majority are JAG's or worse. Most can't even play decent ST's.

Gaine doesn't have the problem of 'who do we franchise' ?

:coffee: aka Capt. Obvious
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.....and to summarize this post, honesty is the best medicine. Great post! I would like to add Mancz as one of the OL with an uptick....if the boneheads had just left him at C.
 
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