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Which off-season moves would you like the Texans to make? (Roster/FA)

All 3 places are new to me.

I was in Houston from 1969-1995. Then I moved to California, back to San Antonio, then Maryland and Virginia. Been overseas since. All I know, I was in no way prepared for how much Houston had grown when we had a chance to visit in 2016. Finally got to take in a game at Minute Maid Ball Park....what a beautiful place to watch the Astros beat the Rangers and enjoy a fireworks show afterwards.

As for the best Cajun food at that time....it was always in our house. My Mom did an amazing job with the Cajun Menu and there was always plenty for unexpected guests. Anyhow, looking forward to getting back to Houston for a great wedding, seeing family and friends, then getting our daughter checked into college.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I do like the math and I think those potential offers could be valid and competitive. This should make both players pretty happy since it guarantees Norwell to be the new highest paid NFL OG (RG) and Solder would be right up there as well as far as. OT's go. The Texans must get the Solder Family a complete tour of the Texas Children's Hospital to put them at ease in regards to their son's ongoing treatment. On a side note, my son is really excited now that he's accepted the offer received from TCH. He will assigned to the Oncology Wing.

Back to the post, is there enough wiggle room left to pursue Sitton (LG) in this concept or, could he wind up commanding as much money as Norwell annually but on a shorter contract now that he's hit the FA market?

It would certainly be crazy to contemplate what these signings would do for this team's offense overnight.

LT- Solder
LG- Sitton
OC- Mancz or Martin (Health?)
RG- Norwell
RT- Draft Pick or FA
**If these 3 players were the only top dollar signings by the Texans during the off-season....it's probably enough to put them in serious playoff talks without signing another high dollar FA.**

Competing For Depth Chart or Roster Spot

OT- Julien Davenport (2018 - 2020)
RT- Kendall Lamm (2018)
RT- Jake Rodgers (2018 - 2019)
OG- Chad Slade (2018 - 2019)
OG- David Quessenberry (2018)
C/G- Fuller (2018 - 2020)
**I would add a couple of low cost veteran FA's to this group for Off-Season competition and to strengthen depth but I certainly think there's enough talent to fill depth chart for 2018.**

Cuts

OT- Newton (When Healthy / Cap Savings)
OG- Allen (Cap Savings)
**Little to no loss here with the projected signings....just some very needed cap savings, regardless of the amount...it all goes into the Cap Kitty.**

Draft Targets

OG- Taylor Hearn (Clemson) / RD6 or 7
OT- Greg Senat (Wagner) / RD4 or 6
RT- Bentley Spain (NC) / RD6
RT- Toby Weathersby (LSU) / RD6 or 7
**The projected FA signings already mentioned would make the OL a non-urgency position to fill. It moves the needle back to the late rounds. I would probably designate 1 pick late knowing that there is a possibility of a season on the PS for "safe" developmental work. If any issues surface during the season, the Texans would be in a really good position to address those needs in 2019.**
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Wow lots here and why I enjoy this MB so much; good info and thoughts being discussed. Josh Sitton turns 32 in June but in this case...so what? Dude played very well; PFF 86 & #5 ranked OG. Due to space I am not posting article but this from 2011 {
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/josh-sitton-complete-right-guard}:

PFF praised him as if he was their first born son. 38 straight games including playoffs not missing a snap is good. Yes this is old news but gives some history in making decision on him. I would sign both him and Norwell if players agree to offers. there is so much $ and caps can be "adjusted" over the years. Let's not forget extra cap can be created by cutting players like Allen, KJ, and Lamar Miller. I get it this is controversial but can be done. After 14 games 2017, Sitton allowed only 10 QB oressure in 335 snaps! Norwell was ranked #12 two spots lower with 85.6 Kevin Zeitler [highest paid OG] ranked #20 82.9. Sitton has been Mr. Consistent since entering NFl and 4 pro bowls in last six seasons. He comes from ZBS (if O'Brien keeps that) plus in 13 games 2017 he played LG/Rg and RT. Hit with guaranteed $ and he should sign. I think teams might low ball him and with all these guys, Houston needs to hit them hard with good deals but sign now and don't shop offer; very aggressive . I would have Norwell at LG though and Sitton right.

Draft: #68 OT Martinez Rankin can play LT but I start him at RT with Senat #98 to back up. Also select RG Gossett round six.

2018: LT Solder/Davenport, LG Norwell/KyleFuller, C Martin/Mancz, RG Sitton/Gossett, RT Rankin/Senat.
 
IDEXAN said:
No man I was just being a smart-azz. But I do think some folks have maybe gotten a bit ahead of themselves re their expectations for Davenport at this very early stage of
his NFL career especially given that he has struggled mightily on more than a few occasions of his rookie years. That's what I was implying in a sarcastic sort of way.
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ok cool but I consider myself a realist more than pessimist or optimist. NFL players in general make biggest progress from rookie to 2nd year, Davenport struggled mostly at right side TE and when he did play LT very briefly, Watson was out and no one really looked good next to Su'a Fila.
 
badboy said:
Wow lots here and why I enjoy this MB so much; good info and thoughts being discussed. Josh Sitton turns 32 in June but in this case...so what? Dude played very well; PFF 86 & #5 ranked OG. Due to space I am not posting article but this from 2011 {
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/josh-sitton-complete-right-guard}:

PFF praised him as if he was their first born son. 38 straight games including playoffs not missing a snap is good. Yes this is old news but gives some history in making decision on him. I would sign both him and Norwell if players agree to offers. there is so much $ and caps can be "adjusted" over the years. Let's not forget extra cap can be created by cutting players like Allen, KJ, and Lamar Miller. I get it this is controversial but can be done. After 14 games 2017, Sitton allowed only 10 QB oressure in 335 snaps! Norwell was ranked #12 two spots lower with 85.6 Kevin Zeitler [highest paid OG] ranked #20 82.9. Sitton has been Mr. Consistent since entering NFl and 4 pro bowls in last six seasons. He comes from ZBS (if O'Brien keeps that) plus in 13 games 2017 he played LG/Rg and RT. Hit with guaranteed $ and he should sign. I think teams might low ball him and with all these guys, Houston needs to hit them hard with good deals but sign now and don't shop offer; very aggressive . I would have Norwell at LG though and Sitton right.

Draft: #68 OT Martinez Rankin can play LT but I start him at RT with Senat #98 to back up. Also select RG Gossett round six.

2018: LT Solder/Davenport, LG Norwell/KyleFuller, C Martin/Mancz, RG Sitton/Gossett, RT Rankin/Senat.
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Everything is good but we need to swap Norwell and Sitton. Sitton played LG for the Bears and Norwell was RG for the Panthers. That group of blockers would solve the OL issues for more than a few seasons.

This kind of OL would really make me want to see RB, Josh Adams (ND) in a Texans uniform. That could make the group pretty strong since I would like ink Blue as well. Adams, Blue, Ervin and Foreman. If Foreman is looking a little gimpy at the start of the mandatory camp, I would extend an offer to DeMarco Murray as a veteran insurance policy. Murray would be another very inexpensive signing but he's another RB that fits O'Brien's mold.
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
Everything is good but we need to swap Norwell and Sitton. Sitton played LG for the Bears and Norwell was RG for the Panthers. That group of blockers would solve the OL issues for more than a few seasons.

This kind of OL would really make me want to see RB, Josh Adams (ND) in a Texans uniform. That could make the group pretty strong since I would like ink Blue as well. Adams, Blue, Ervin and Foreman. If Foreman is looking a little gimpy at the start of the mandatory camp, I would extend an offer to DeMarco Murray as a veteran insurance policy. Murray would be another very inexpensive signing but he's another RB that fits O'Brien's mold.
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I was listing RB, Darren McFadden as a veteran insurance policy when it was DeMarco Murray who I really wanted to mention. For some reason McFadden's name was on my mind. Side note, McFadden has retired.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I was listing RB, Darren McFadden as a veteran insurance policy when it was DeMarco Murray who I really wanted to mention. For some reason McFadden's name was on my mind. Side note, McFadden has retired.
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The only bowl McFadden ever reached was the cold tub and hot tub in the trainers room. The dude could strain an eyelid and end up on IR in week 1. Isn't Murray under contract with the tAcks? Too lazy to bother looking it up.
Honestly, I'm good with the RBs on the roster with a revamped OL. Interested to see what the FA market is for Blue. I'd like him back on a cap friendly contract, but that's about it.
 
DocBar said:
The only bowl McFadden ever reached was the cold tub and hot tub in the trainers room. The dude could strain an eyelid and end up on IR in week 1. Isn't Murray under contract with the tAcks? Too lazy to bother looking it up.
Honestly, I'm good with the RBs on the roster with a revamped OL. Interested to see what the FA market is for Blue. I'd like him back on a cap friendly contract, but that's about it.
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Prediction is the Titans will release him for cap purposes and rely on Henry for 2018. Murray's age, glutten of RB's on the market, and the deep draft will make him a easy target for signing to an affordable 1 year deal.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I was listing RB, Darren McFadden as a veteran insurance policy when it was DeMarco Murray who I really wanted to mention. For some reason McFadden's name was on my mind. Side note, McFadden has retired.
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I'd be weary of Murray. He is still rehabbing from a grade II MCL tear that he sustained near the end of the 2017 season and missing week 17 and the 2018 playoffs. He also dealt with hamstring and shoulder injuries throughout the season. These injuries resulted in Murray averaging less than 3 yds/c after week 5 (after posting ~ 4.6 yds/c in the 1st 5 weeks). He's 30 years old, and is showing what RBs show when they are about to fall off the map.
 
Mangler said:
Typical. They’ll release the wrong person for the lack of competency of about 3 other guys that are directly responsible for opening lanes for him. They’ll go on to resigning them and wonder why the next running back can’t produce behind these guys and release him the first chance they get. Rinse and repeat.
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Perhaps they're releasing miller to free up more cap to help fix the line.
 
With no good alternative in 2016, he was used (~270 carries) beyond his normal capabilities. He paid for it last year. He has always been somewhat slow to see/hit the hole.......and more concerning, almost always down upon first hit. He was valuable when used a receiver. He is replaceable. Blue was starting to come on last year in his limited play, and could see an uptick this year. He will need a complement, and I believe it would not be good to count on Foreman in that role.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
With no good alternative in 2016, he was used (~270 carries) beyond his normal capabilities. He paid for it last year. He has always been somewhat slow to see/hit the hole.......and more concerning, almost always down upon first hit. He was valuable when used a receiver. He is replaceable. Blue was starting to come on last year in his limited play, and could see an uptick this year. He will need a complement, and I believe it would not be good to count on Foreman in that role.
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Luckily RB is the most replaceable position in the game provided your team has a good OL.

Kamara and Hunt were both 3rd round picks last year. Jordan Howard was a 5th rounder the year before. Would much rather use Miller’s cap money to solidify the OL and add another RB in the draft.
 
Mangler said:
Typical. They’ll release the wrong person for the lack of competency of about 3 other guys that are directly responsible for opening lanes for him. They’ll go on to resigning them and wonder why the next running back can’t produce behind these guys and release him the first chance they get. Rinse and repeat.
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Miller sucks regardless of the line. He maybe had around 7 or 8 runs were he broke a tackle all of last year. He just is not an every down back. He is VERY easily replaceable!
 
Mangler said:
Typical. They’ll release the wrong person for the lack of competency of about 3 other guys that are directly responsible for opening lanes for him. They’ll go on to resigning them and wonder why the next running back can’t produce behind these guys and release him the first chance they get. Rinse and repeat.
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Miller sucks regardless of the line. He maybe had around 7 or 8 runs were he broke a tackle all of last year. He just is not an every down back. He is VERY easily replaceable!
 
TheRealJoker said:
Luckily RB is the most replaceable position in the game provided your team has a good OL.

Kamara and Hunt were both 3rd round picks last year. Jordan Howard was a 5th rounder the year before. Would much rather use Miller’s cap money to solidify the OL and add another RB in the draft.
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Awright !
 
zshawn10 said:
Marcus Peters went for a 2 and 4 according to Rapoport

Also: The #Panthers are releasing S Kurt Coleman, I’m told. The veteran leader had a $5.25M cap hit. His release clears space as they go younger.
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And that's a 2019 second rounder , not a 2018 second round and the Cheif also have to ship off a 6th round pick.
Per Ian Rapoport Tweet: Sources saying #Chiefs will be sending Marcus Peters and a 2018 6th Round pick to the #Rams. Getting a 2018 4th Round pick and a 2019 2nd Round pick in return. #810WHB
I will say this the Rams are getting a really cap friendly contract so gonna be fun to see if he can behave back home in Cal ?
I said earlier that Peters was really good - that's an understatement, he's better than that, he's an elite talent.
 
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IDEXAN said:
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And that's a 2019 second rounder , not a 2018 second round and the Cheif also have to ship off a 6th round pick.
Per Ian Rapoport Tweet: Sources saying #Chiefs will be sending Marcus Peters and a 2018 6th Round pick to the #Rams. Getting a 2018 4th Round pick and a 2019 2nd Round pick in return. #810WHB
I will say this the Rams are getting a really cap friendly contract so gonna be fun to see if he can behave back home in Cal ?
I said earlier that Peters was really good - that's an understatement, he's better than that, he's an elite talent.
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We got more Duane Brown lol
 
zshawn10 said:
We got more Duane Brown lol
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Duane Brown wasn't attacking coaches at Virginia Tech, getting in sideline arguments, or getting suspended for throwing flags into the seats.

Says a lot about Peters character that he's the most talented young CB in the game yet KC essentially gave him away.
 
Nighthawk99 said:
Perhaps they're releasing miller to free up more cap to help fix the line.
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We have the 6th most cap space in the league ($63M). I think we should be able to fix the OL with that amount.

Miller is overpaid but cut him and we have nothing at RB. Freeman is coming off a serious injury, Blue is a JAG and a FA, and Ervin has offered nothing thus far. You can't just assume a mid-round rookie will step in and fill that spot just because it's happened for other teams. This is still the Texans FO drafting the players.
 
WolverineFan said:
We have the 6th most cap space in the league ($63M). I think we should be able to fix the OL with that amount.

Miller is overpaid but cut him and we have nothing at RB. Freeman is coming off a serious injury, Blue is a JAG and a FA, and Ervin has offered nothing thus far. You can't just assume a mid-round rookie will step in and fill that spot just because it's happened for other teams. This is still the Texans FO drafting the players.
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Shame on me for thinking most RBs behind a good Oline can do what Miller has done behind a bad one... which isn’t much
 
TheRealJoker said:
Shame on me for thinking most RBs behind a good Oline can do what Miller has done behind a bad one... which isn’t much
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Let Miller run behind the Vikings, Cowboys, or even the Tacks’ offensive line and he’s a very different running back.
 
Cutting Miller and Jeff Allen will get us another 10M or so in cap space. Get cheaper and younger players in FA with same money.
I heard they are trying to sign JJo.
 
Mangler said:
I hope it’s just a 1 year, team/cap friendly deal as he’s about done.
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JJo has still been great. He should be signed to a 2-3 year deal as a budget starter. He should be beat out rather than cast away if he wants to stay. He was the best CB last year and arguably best the year before in Bouye' s breakout year.

Some folks need to look more at the field and less at birthdays.
 
infantrycak said:
JJo has still been great. He should be signed to a 2-3 year deal as a budget starter. He should be beat out rather than cast away if he wants to stay. He was the best CB last year and arguably best the year before in Bouye' s breakout year.

Some folks need to look more at the field and less at birthdays.
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I cannot only 'like' this post but have to post in agreement. An age is just that and all players don't play same at an age. We have seen that for long time with QBs and offensive linemen. I brought up Joseph before season ended and most responses were to bring him back if contract was reasonable. Perhaps the deal could have incentives or no guaranteed $. If team does not embarrass Joseph with ridiculous offer I think he will sign most anything to play here.
 
infantrycak said:
JJo has still been great. He should be signed to a 2-3 year deal as a budget starter. He should be beat out rather than cast away if he wants to stay. He was the best CB last year and arguably best the year before in Bouye' s breakout year.

Some folks need to look more at the field and less at birthdays.
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Agreed,

JoJo would be a fine CB2 and wasn't terrible as a CB1 last yr. I would try to sign him to a 2 yr deal.
 
honored82 said:
Cutting Miller and Jeff Allen will get us another 10M or so in cap space. Get cheaper and younger players in FA with same money.
I heard they are trying to sign JJo.
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Running back allows us to start a rookie and Norwell and/or Sitton allows us to get low round draft picks and develop them as needed. Same with other positions like corner and safety which is deep in FA and draft.
 
IDEXAN said:
He'll be 34 when the season starts but he's still the best CB on our roster today. Yea 1 or maybe 2 years, no more thouh.
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length of deal doesn't matter to me if no guaranteed money in later years. If he continues to play well as he ages, we have him. Also shows him he is wanted.
 
infantrycak said:
JJo has still been great. He should be signed to a 2-3 year deal as a budget starter. He should be beat out rather than cast away if he wants to stay. He was the best CB last year and arguably best the year before in Bouye' s breakout year.

Some folks need to look more at the field and less at birthdays.
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yeah, don't follow the Casserly rule of tossing out guys just because they've reached 30. He kicked Aaron Glenn to the curb because of age.
 
ObsiWan said:
yeah, don't follow the Casserly rule of tossing out guys just because they've reached 30. He kicked Aaron Glenn to the curb because of age.
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Not sure if we just don't hear, but it seems like the Texans are bad at trying/getting vets to redo the back end of deals and end up losing them. Front end and back end of career guys are where you save money. Belichick kills at getting years out of discarded players.
 
honored82 said:
Cutting Miller and Jeff Allen will get us another 10M or so in cap space. Get cheaper and younger players in FA with same money.
I heard they are trying to sign JJo.
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How much cap savings for Miller himself?
I know it's been posted in this thread but don't have time to go back and look

I would be fine cutting him but also fine if they decide to keep him as long as they improve the line
I think they really need to re-sign Blue.
He has special teams value and to be honest I think I trust him more than Miller at RB.
He was running hard last year and I thought he showed that he was an improved player. And that's coming from someone who was ready to throw Blue on the scrap heap pretty much every season he has been here
 
Cut Miller
I would like to knock the dust off Doug Martin.

Sign OT Cameron Fleming


Sign One at least one of the corners
CB Malcolm Butler
EJ Gaines
Kyle Fuller
Aaron Colver
 
Mangler said:
Let Miller run behind the Vikings, Cowboys, or even the Tacks’ offensive line and he’s a very different running back.
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Of course he would. It’s not a knock on Miller it’s just how I would value the positions and supply/demand. I’d rather spend the cap $ to get a player at a position with a shorter supply of good players (Oline).
 
TheRealJoker said:
Of course he would. It’s not a knock on Miller it’s just how I would value the positions and supply/demand. I’d rather spend the cap $ to get a player at a position with a shorter supply of good players (Oline).
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This is a portion of roster building.

Something Ricky wasn't very good at.

Hopefully Gaine will be better. Although he's at a disadvantage of not having 1st/2nd rd picks.
 
Jadmakaveli said:
Cut Miller
I would like to knock the dust off Doug Martin.

Sign OT Cameron Fleming


Sign One at least one of the corners
CB Malcolm Butler
EJ Gaines
Kyle Fuller
Aaron Colver
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I'd also like to sign Guard Justin Pugh - very good when healthy.
I also like the idea of Martin - can't be any worse than Miller and may come with some cap saving.
 
zshawn10 said:
Demps wants to come back to Houston

https://twitter.com/QDemps/status/968315151282790400

https://twitter.com/QDemps/status/968308859679969280

https://twitter.com/QDemps/status/968307997238878208

https://twitter.com/QDemps/status/968170127073083392

Also:

Jets will look into signing CB Malcolm Butler
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Demps is 33 years old...........AND only played to week 3 last year after he was placed on IR for a broken arm. He was designated to return, but after 3 weeks back with the team they never activated him and placed him on permanent IR. Not much public info as to why. But from what I have found out is that he suffered nerve damage at the time of his fracture (or possibly from the open fracture repair surgery itself) and had not regained adequate function/strength. The most common nerve to be affected in such fractures (and they are rare to begin with) is the ulnar nerve. Deficits caused by damage to this nerve could be devastating to a safety (for that matter any position)........as it is responsible for flexion and adduction of the wrist, and flexion of the fingers. Without examining him, it would be impossible to know if these functions have returned, or if they are successfully progressing or not to return.
 
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