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Duane Brown traded to Seahawks

kiwitexansfan said:
No way Cushing or Brown get ring of honoured.

While i’ve never been a huge Andre Johnson fan, totally respect his franchise contribution.

I hope Watt is next cab off the rank. Let’s have some standards people.
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What about AJ were you not a huge fan of kiwi?

True leader on the field, humble off it. Great community worker, took the time to coach young teammates.

There were years when he was the only bright spot on the entire team.
 
welsh texan said:
What about AJ were you not a huge fan of kiwi?

True leader on the field, humble off it. Great community worker, took the time to coach young teammates.

There were years when he was the only bright spot on the entire team.
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Always been more of an unsung hero kind of guy.

It’s why I root for DJ Reader harder than JJ (who while I acknowledge is legendary already, I wouldn’t frame myself as a huge fan of)

As a player respected the way A.J. became a great route artist but always thought he had questionable hands.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Always been more of an unsung hero kind of guy.

It’s why I root for DJ Reader harder than JJ (who while I acknowledge is legendary already, I wouldn’t frame myself as a huge fan of)

As a player respected the way A.J. became a great route artist but always thought he had questionable hands.
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He had pretty good hands actually but he did drop a few... but also made some amazing catches

Kinda like most any HOF receiver
 
banned1976 said:
Agreed and Cushing is in the same boat as Brown for me. Actually, his boat was the SS Minnow. He made one pro bowl in his entire career and that was when he was a rookie. People liked his fiery speeches, his toughness and his supposed leadership but how much was that fueled by steroids? He doesn't belong in any ring of honor. Cheating isn't honorable so even if his career was HOF like, IMHO he wouldn't deserve that honor.

I liked Cushing until he first got busted for steroids and didn't own it. I started to warm up to him again but when he got busted this last time I lost any respect for him. I just don't know how much of his career was tainted with steroids, but I believe the rumors he was using all the way back to high school are true. So I just can't believe that he got busted every time he used. It's like a drunk driver who gets a couple of DUI's and states those were the only times he drove drunk. It's just not believable.
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But to his credit, he only got pregnant once.
 
AJ was loyal to a fault, too. He could have just as easily left this team for a contender and be considered up there with Rice, Irvin, and any other big time WR in NFL history. I have no doubt that he was that kind of talent, but often forgotten because he was on a shitty expansion team for most of his career.
 
Double Barrel said:
AJ was loyal to a fault, too. He could have just as easily left this team for a contender and be considered up there with Rice, Irvin, and any other big time WR in NFL history. I have no doubt that he was that kind of talent, but often forgotten because he was on a shitty expansion team for most of his career.
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He was loyal to a fault because wasn’t his uncle his agent and negotiated a bad contract for him which led to his hold out?
 
TexansBull said:
He was loyal to a fault because wasn’t his uncle his agent and negotiated a bad contract for him which led to his hold out?
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Nobody made him sign contracts. He's a grown man and could have decided to let it play out and become a FA at some point. He wanted to be a Texan and win with the team that drafted him. He said that on multiple occasions.
 
The end result, AJ retiring as a Texan and being the initial ROH inductee, is about as perfect an end to his career as there was ever going to be. Sure, there could've been a SB involved, but nobody really believes that. THAT is storybook endings.
 
DocBar said:
The end result, AJ retiring as a Texan and being the initial ROH inductee, is about as perfect an end to his career as there was ever going to be. Sure, there could've been a SB involved, but nobody really believes that. THAT is storybook endings.
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The perfect ending will be when he's inducted into the HOF! I don't think he will be a 1st ballot HOFer because he has too many things working against him (Lack of TDs, bad QBs, bad teams, etc...), but he should get in at some point as the Texans 1st HOFer. And, that would be the perfect ending!
 
Insideop said:
The perfect ending will be when he's inducted into the HOF! I don't think he will be a 1st ballot HOFer because he has too many things working against him (Lack of TDs, bad QBs, bad teams, etc...), but he should get in at some point as the Texans 1st HOFer. And, that would be the perfect ending!
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I think he's got a chance to be a first ballot guy for the following reason: Andre would of course be the Texans first member in the Hall and if Bob McNair is still alive when Andre becomes eligible then he gets elected
because McNair so far has survived his cancer scare and he's already in his 80s, but well you see what I mean.
 
I believe one of the biggest "holes" in the CBA is that they made no provision for teams to reward long-time "Legacy/Legend" type players. Guys who have like 8-10 years with a team, are truly great, and because of this are expensive to keep and often trying to get paid for some kind of lifetime contribution. Fan favorites who people want to see their team keep but who become late career nomads bouncing around from team to team on short deals. It helps no one. They should have cap exceptions for those guys where if they're good enough to play and be wanted on their teams and an owner wants to throw them a late career "bone" in the form of more money than they are worth then it should be possible.

Teams could still cast them aside if they didn't want to do it. Nothing would keep them from parting ways if they wanted to but it should have been possible to keep a guy like AJ. The Texans would have no doubt still pushed him out the door because often they are stupid and tone-deaf when it comes to that kind of thing.
 
IDEXAN said:
I think he's got a chance to be a first ballot guy for the following reason: Andre would of course be the Texans first member in the Hall and if Bob McNair is still alive when Andre becomes eligible then he gets elected
because McNair so far has survived his cancer scare and he's already in his 80s, but well you see what I mean.
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I also think he'll benefit from being the first Texan in there. He's clearly HoF "worthy" and since there are no current Texans in there he'll get a little help (not a lot but it will be there) to be the first. The Texans who follow him will not get that little nudge. IMO
 
Hervoyel said:
I believe one of the biggest "holes" in the CBA is that they made no provision for teams to reward long-time "Legacy/Legend" type players. Guys who have like 8-10 years with a team, are truly great, and because of this are expensive to keep and often trying to get paid for some kind of lifetime contribution. ...
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Yup. They have the veteran cap exception but that is only for low end players on 1 year league minimum contracts with less than $85k bonus iirc. Something should be done for the AJ scenario. Maybe give each team 1 8+ year player (minimum 5 years with that team) at half cap.
 
Hervoyel said:
I believe one of the biggest "holes" in the CBA is that they made no provision for teams to reward long-time "Legacy/Legend" type players. Guys who have like 8-10 years with a team, are truly great, and because of this are expensive to keep and often trying to get paid for some kind of lifetime contribution. Fan favorites who people want to see their team keep but who become late career nomads bouncing around from team to team on short deals. It helps no one. They should have cap exceptions for those guys where if they're good enough to play and be wanted on their teams and an owner wants to throw them a late career "bone" in the form of more money than they are worth then it should be possible.

Teams could still cast them aside if they didn't want to do it. Nothing would keep them from parting ways if they wanted to but it should have been possible to keep a guy like AJ. The Texans would have no doubt still pushed him out the door because often they are stupid and tone-deaf when it comes to that kind of thing.
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Agreed the NFLPA should push for something like this in the next CBA because the owners sure aren't going to do it.

Or the Texans could be all about the $$$, as they shown to be in the past.
 
Hervoyel said:
I also think he'll benefit from being the first Texan in there. He's clearly HoF "worthy" and since there are no current Texans in there he'll get a little help (not a lot but it will be there) to be the first. The Texans who follow him will not get that little nudge. IMO
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If Pancakes lives long enough AJ will be a member of the HOF.
 
Hervoyel said:
I also think he'll benefit from being the first Texan in there. He's clearly HoF "worthy" and since there are no current Texans in there he'll get a little help (not a lot but it will be there) to be the first. The Texans who follow him will not get that little nudge. IMO
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Next one up is JJ Watt; he surely will go first ballot.
 
Brown has allowed just one sack since starting for the Seahawks (coming Sunday night against the Eagles), and nine total pressures across five starts. The player he replaced – Rees Odhiambo – allowed four in the last game he started and has a game on his resume this season with 10 total pressures surrendered.

The upgrade from Odhiambo (overall PFF grade of 27.5, worst in the league) to Brown (overall PFF grade of 78.2, 22nd) cannot be overstated.
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https://torotimes.com/2017/12/04/houston-texans-duane-brown-has-provided-boost-for-seahawks-offense/

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https://www.profootballfocus.com/ne...n-better-thanks-to-the-arrival-of-duane-brown
 
zshawn10 said:
https://torotimes.com/2017/12/04/houston-texans-duane-brown-has-provided-boost-for-seahawks-offense/

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https://www.profootballfocus.com/ne...n-better-thanks-to-the-arrival-of-duane-brown
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Don't worry, according to RS and possibly O'Brien (for those who wish to include him in this matter), the Texans have no OL deficiency's and Brown was expendable based on RS's personal principles. On the bright side, at least the Texans have a plus for the 2019 NFL Draft...2- RD2 picks. The 2017 pick is ok since it's probably going to fall very late in RD3. I wouldn't classify the pick as great by any stretch of the imagination...adequate would suffice.
 
zshawn10 said:
https://torotimes.com/2017/12/04/houston-texans-duane-brown-has-provided-boost-for-seahawks-offense/

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https://www.profootballfocus.com/ne...n-better-thanks-to-the-arrival-of-duane-brown
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To be honest, does anyone on here really think, if the Texans kept DB, that he would've had the same impact here that he's having in Seattle? I don't. Oh sure, maybe they could've won another game with him here but do you really think, with the team in the condition it's in now, they would have somehow made it to the playoffs with DB on the team? No, I think this was best for the Texans (though it doesn't look like it now) and best for DB. I wish only the best for Duane and the Seahawks. Now, RS, BOB, and Staff have to go out there and do their jobs and get the best players they can with the 2 picks they got for Brown!

If you think about it, this was a very "Belicheatian" (if there could ever be such a word) thing to do. Belichick does this type of thing all the time when a player is getting older and starts to demand things. Schwaaak! Their gone! And, he usually gets a draft pick or 2 in return to help replenish the team. If a NE player was holding out for 6 games, like DB did, do you think he would still be on the team? OK, maybe if it was Brady. But, I still don't think Belichick would put up with it for long. It's common sense really. When a good player gets up there in years you know there will be some "diminishing returns" and you know soon there will come a point in time where you won't be able to trade him. Then now is the time to make a trade and get some value out of the player. It's a cold ruthless business this NFL but that's just the way it is and the players know it. I can't cry for a man that gets to play a kids game and be paid a lot of money to do it even if it's only for a few years. If they've made it to the NFL then they know they've done something only a small number of people in this country ever get to do. So, congratulations Duane Brown on your success in Seattle! The trade worked out well for you. I just hope it works out well for the Texans too! :)
 
Insideop said:
To be honest, does anyone on here really think, if the Texans kept DB, that he would've had the same impact here that he's having in Seattle? I don't. Oh sure, maybe they could've won another game with him here but do you really think, with the team in the condition it's in now, they would have somehow made it to the playoffs with DB on the team? No, I think this was best for the Texans (though it doesn't look like it now) and best for DB. I wish only the best for Duane and the Seahawks. Now, RS, BOB, and Staff have to go out there and do their jobs and get the best players they can with the 2 picks they got for Brown!

If you think about it, this was a very "Belicheatian" (if there could ever be such a word) thing to do. Belichick does this type of thing all the time when a player is getting older and starts to demand things. Schwaaak! Their gone! And, he usually gets a draft pick or 2 in return to help replenish the team. If a NE player was holding out for 6 games, like DB did, do you think he would still be on the team? OK, maybe if it was Brady. But, I still don't think Belichick would put up with it for long. It's common sense really. When a good player gets up there in years you know there will be some "diminishing returns" and you know soon there will come a point in time where you won't be able to trade him. Then now is the time to make a trade and get some value out of the player. It's a cold ruthless business this NFL but that's just the way it is and the players know it. I can't cry for a man that gets to play a kids game and be paid a lot of money to do it even if it's only for a few years. If they've made it to the NFL then they know they've done something only a small number of people in this country ever get to do. So, congratulations Duane Brown on your success in Seattle! The trade worked out well for you. I just hope it works out well for the Texans too! :)
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True, Do you think Ricky will make those picks pay off given his track record? Yes the NFL is a business and the way the McNairs run their business means business will always be good. Is it conducive to winning? Nope

BTW, DB I hope the door hit you in the butt on the way out.
 
steelbtexan said:
True, Do you think Ricky will make those picks pay off given his track record? Yes the NFL is a business and the way the McNairs run their business means business will always be good. Is it conducive to winning? Nope

BTW, DB I hope the door hit you in the butt on the way out.
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Just like every GM out there he's had his hits and he's had his misses! As far as his track record compared to other GM's I don't know where he stacks up and how the NFL outside of Houston views him. But, what I do believe is, I don't think McNair is going to fire either RS or BOB this off season. So, with that in mind, I just hope that he gets it right in this draft!
 
Insideop said:
Just like every GM out there he's had his hits and he's had his misses! As far as his track record compared to other GM's I don't know where he stacks up and how the NFL outside of Houston views him. But, what I do believe is, I don't think McNair is going to fire either RS or BOB this off season. So, with that in mind, I just hope that he gets it right in this draft!
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It's really all you can do. "Just relax and enjoy it".
 
Yeah a few years ago. I was so frustrated with the Texans. My blood pressure shot through the roof watching the games.

Something clicked with me and realized it wasn' good for my health if I wasn' going to enjoy the games. I figure ,with the nfl wanting parity, that there are basically 3 or 4 key plays a game that can determine which team wins. We weren' a team that made them. I just dont get overhyped any more.like herv said. Just sit back with beers and watch
 
Please, let's refrain from comparing anything the Texans FO does to Belichick just because they do ONE thing that sort of resembles something the Patriots would do (if you cross your eyes and squint when you look at it).

Belichick builds his team like shark's teeth. When he does something like this, there is another waiting in the wings, already prepared, to take his place.

The Texans do something like this and they look like the unprepared dumbasses they tend to be most of the time. This offensive line is nothing short of pathetic.
 
Insideop said:
To be honest, does anyone on here really think, if the Texans kept DB, that he would've had the same impact here that he's having in Seattle?
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1000 times yes. Rick's ego got him into a pissing match with one of his best players again and now our offensive line is nothing but turnstiles.

Duane Brown was not only the best lineman on the team, but he was the only competent lineman on the team.

Rick loves the "subtraction by subtraction" philosophy.
 
Getting rid of DB set the franchise back years because that's how long it takes to build a good OL unit.

Guess all we can do is enjoy DW4 while we got him. He'll make some great highlights and put up some great numbers for a few years when he's not in the hospital.
 
Mr. White said:
1000 times yes. Rick's ego got him into a pissing match with one of his best players again and now our offensive line is nothing but turnstiles.

Duane Brown was not only the best lineman on the team, but he was the only competent lineman on the team.

Rick loves the "subtraction by subtraction" philosophy.
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So, you really think, with the team currently the way it is, that DB would have made a difference and they would have won many more games and possibly go to the playoffs? Sorry, I just don't see where that would've been the case. One good LT is not going to be able to help this team with all it's injuries to key players and a bad O-line to begin with. It's not happening. So, you might as well get something (picks) for him now while his value is still there and use those picks to rebuild your O-line. Like I said before Belichick (Sorry DB) does this all the time and everyone calls him a genius. Now, I won't sit here and tell you I believe RS is a genius but you have to give this trade a few years before we all know it's real impact, whether good or bad. Right now it looks bad for the Texans because Brown is doing well for the Seahawks. But, 4 or 5 years from now the trade might not look so lopsided and the Texans may look pretty good in the deal. Now, it's just up to RS, BOB, and Staff to get the right pick!
 
Insideop said:
To be honest, does anyone on here really think, if the Texans kept DB, that he would've had the same impact here that he's having in Seattle? I don't. Oh sure, maybe they could've won another game with him here but do you really think, with the team in the condition it's in now, they would have somehow made it to the playoffs with DB on the team? No, I think this was best for the Texans (though it doesn't look like it now) and best for DB.
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No DB alone wouldn't have a singular impact. Duane, combined with extending Brandon Brooks, combined with holding Myers and Jones to allow for more freedom in the draft/FA to keep a strong front - there's the impact. In a year or two if we're able to solidify our interior line with our mid-round picks, while unable to draft/sign competent tackles (giving away an all-pro) - there's the impact. The offensive line isn't a player, it's a unit. And it's a unit that has been systematically disassembled since O'Brien arrived. There's nothing left except for whoever is getting kudos for not getting bulldozed at center. DB combined with the Seattle offensive line is looking pretty good.

Brown - Smith - Myers - Brooks - Newton ... Newton was the weak link.
Clark - XSF - Martin - Allen - Giacomini ... Newton is better than those 5.
 
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Insideop said:
So, you really think, with the team currently the way it is, that DB would have made a difference and they would have won many more games and possibly go to the playoffs? Sorry, I just don't see where that would've been the case. One good LT is not going to be able to help this team with all it's injuries to key players and a bad O-line to begin with. It's not happening. So, you might as well get something (picks) for him now while his value is still there and use those picks to rebuild your O-line. Like I said before Belichick (Sorry DB) does this all the time and everyone calls him a genius. Now, I won't sit here and tell you I believe RS is a genius but you have to give this trade a few years before we all know it's real impact, whether good or bad. Right now it looks bad for the Texans because Brown is doing well for the Seahawks. But, 4 or 5 years from now the trade might not look so lopsided and the Texans may look pretty good in the deal. Now, it's just up to RS, BOB, and Staff to get the right pick!
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Not this season no. Once Watson went down this season was lost. Duane Brown could not save this season and I wouldn't have kept him here to save this season. I'd have kept him here for stability over the next two years. The line right now has one guy (maybe) who isn't a complete waste of oxygen. Martin is an in-progress with upside kind of guy and I still have pretty high hopes for him. We probably have another in XSF who the coaches won't give up on even though they should so as bad as he is they probably (I'm guessing) consider that position covered (stop laughing). Brown, XSF, and Martin would have been an OK short-term answer to the left side of the line assuming Martin works out and I was hoping that Brown would play a couple more years with Watson and then hopefully that would allow the Texans to solve the problems they have on the right side before they had to address that LT spot.

Didn't work out that way and I understand that they got some value for Brown. I just hate that it basically goes to replace picks that the team gave up for no better reason than to sweep their previous mistake (Os) under the rug.
 
I’m thinking Duane really just wanted to get out of here.

If all he wanted was the extension the Texans could have and likely would have taken care of that in the off season.

When Duane came out and made the comments about McNair that pretty much sealed it.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I’m thinking Duane really just wanted to get out of here.

If all he wanted was the extension the Texans could have and likely would have taken care of that in the off season.

When Duane came out and made the comments about McNair that pretty much sealed it.
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This is what I said all along. McNair probably called DB into his office after the black power sign and told DB to tow the company line. (It'sjust business) DB didn't like it and wanted out. To DB's credit and you know I'm no DB fan, DB put his $$$$ where his mouth was and essentially forced his way out of the Texans org.

Who could blame DB for wanting to get out of an org that has no clue about how to win a SB and instead gets to join a proven winner like the Seahawks.

What should worry McNair is if FA's start leaving instead of re-signing (Clowney) Or FA's dont want to play for the Texans. Looking at this from a business stand point it really doesn't matter since NRG is sold out every game and that's obviously what the McNair's care about most.
 
Mr. White said:
Getting rid of DB set the franchise back years because that's how long it takes to build a good OL unit.

Guess all we can do is enjoy DW4 while we got him. He'll make some great highlights and put up some great numbers for a few years when he's not in the hospital.
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Our OL wasn‘t good even with Brown. I didn‘t like trading Brown, because finding a good LT is the second hardest thing in football (after finding a good QB) - and when you draft tackles, they usually need at least 1-2 years to really play to their potential.

That being said, I understand the trade. Brown was getting up there in age and repeatedly had injury problems. Plus his performance was on a steady decline. And, perhaps most importantly, he wasn‘t happy here. Yeah, we could have handled the contract stuff differently from the start, but that is dangerous for a FO because it sets an example.

So yes, trading him did set us back. And yes, it will be very hard to replace him and actually build a good OL. I still think that the trade in the end was the right decision for every involved party.
 
Mr. White said:
Getting rid of DB set the franchise back years because that's how long it takes to build a good OL unit.

Guess all we can do is enjoy DW4 while we got him. He'll make some great highlights and put up some great numbers for a few years when he's not in the hospital.
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The Seahawks has had a horrendous offensive line for a few years now. Wilson still manages to stay healthy and Carroll still manages to find ways to win.

Not saying we should ignore OL in the offseason, but “setting our franchise back” is a bit much.
 
I thought Allen played reasonably well at LT (when I paid attention). In fact, outside of the end of the game which was crazy, he out-performed any expectation I had for him. If I recall, he played LG for KC. Is it possible he's just miscast as a RG and a better player on the left side? I'd get XSF out of the starting line-up and insert Allen there. If he still is below avg next year, then work on that spot for 2019. But next year, I'd like to see Allen at LG.

In an ideal world, it would be something like this next year:

LT / LG / C / RG / RT
FA-draft pick / Allen / Martin / Mancz / FA-draft pick

That should get us back toward somewhere closer to the league average. There is also a long shot chance that Newton might be able to make it all the way back. I wouldn't assume it - but supposedly he is making progress.

For primary depth, I'd have Clark and probably Davenport at T, and X-man at G. They could also move-on completely from X I dunno. Fuller or Slade (if they improve) could be decent depth, but I'd expect some roster shuffling at the backup spots in any case. I'd probably cut Brenno. Davenport is more physically gifted and will have more longevity.

So, that would set us on a better course, and in 19 and 20 they can make a couple of other moves to improve further. Maybe get a more impactful RG and put Mancz in at LG or as depth etc. It's not as desperate as it seems. They need 2 new starters that are at least average, and then just move some pieces around. Watson will make any line appear better than they are as well.
 
Porky said:
I thought Allen played reasonably well at LT (when I paid attention). In fact, outside of the end of the game which was crazy, he out-performed any expectation I had for him. If I recall, he played LG for KC. Is it possible he's just miscast as a RG and a better player on the left side? I'd get XSF out of the starting line-up and insert Allen there. If he still is below avg next year, then work on that spot for 2019. But next year, I'd like to see Allen at LG.

In an ideal world, it would be something like this next year:

LT / LG / C / RG / RT
FA-draft pick / Allen / Martin / Mancz / FA-draft pick

That should get us back toward somewhere closer to the league average. There is also a long shot chance that Newton might be able to make it all the way back. I wouldn't assume it - but supposedly he is making progress.

For primary depth, I'd have Clark and probably Davenport at T, and X-man at G. They could also move-on completely from X I dunno. Fuller or Slade (if they improve) could be decent depth, but I'd expect some roster shuffling at the backup spots in any case. I'd probably cut Brenno. Davenport is more physically gifted and will have more longevity.

So, that would set us on a better course, and in 19 and 20 they can make a couple of other moves to improve further. Maybe get a more impactful RG and put Mancz in at LG or as depth etc. It's not as desperate as it seems. They need 2 new starters that are at least average, and then just move some pieces around. Watson will make any line appear better than they are as well.
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Here's what I would like to see if they have to keep Allen.

Clark/Allen/Martin/Drafted OT that can play OG/Drafted OT after trading up.
 
dream_team said:
The Seahawks has had a horrendous offensive line for a few years now. Wilson still manages to stay healthy and Carroll still manages to find ways to win.

Not saying we should ignore OL in the offseason, but “setting our franchise back” is a bit much.
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The OL is what kept the Seahawks from winning multipe SB's , so I would say that it set them back.

Also a difference is Watson will be coming off of 2 ACL's. How many ACL surgeries has Wilson had?
 
I'd tend to bit more radical:

LT- Robinson (FA)
LG- Martin
OC- Ragnow (R- Arkansas)
RG- Mancz
RT- Jones (R- Ohio State)

ST- Clark (FA)
LT/RT- Davenport **Compete for an OT spot in camp**
OT/OG- Spain (R- North Carolina)
OC/OG- Fuller
OG/OC- Clapp (R- LSU)

Young and versatile. This OL group would be virtually interchangeable at nearly every position on the line. It would provide answers for the foreseeable future. If it works, this could set up 2019 as a draft where the defense could be re-tooled in primary areas..
 
steelbtexan said:
The OL is what kept the Seahawks from winning multipe SB's , so I would say that it set them back.

Also a difference is Watson will be coming off of 2 ACL's. How many ACL surgeries has Wilson had?
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Hey listen StellB , after that brilliant tactic of moving up and pulling off the Watson pick, how upset were you that Ricky & Billy weren't given that Sportsman of the Year award instead of JJ & Hose ?
 
Insideop said:
Just like every GM out there he's had his hits and he's had his misses! As far as his track record compared to other GM's I don't know where he stacks up and how the NFL outside of Houston views him. But, what I do believe is, I don't think McNair is going to fire either RS or BOB this off season. So, with that in mind, I just hope that he gets it right in this draft!
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He’s actually pretty good; Jayson Braddock did an extensive report on his picks. You could probably find it if you google it
 
IDEXAN said:
Hey listen StellB , after that brilliant tactic of moving up and pulling off the Watson pick, how upset were you that Ricky & Billy weren't given that Sportsman of the Year award instead of JJ & Hose ?
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Ricky was probably pi**ed that he wasn't up there on stage telling everybody how smart he was for making the Os and DW4 trades. After all that's much more important in the grand scheme of things than Altuve winning WS MVP or JJ raising millions for the city.
 
Yeah, the Seahawks are just about the mirror image of us right now in terms of how injuries have derailed their season, their o-line stinks & prevents their offense from being consistently good, & how a once proud defense appears to be crumbling right before their eyes.
 
Mr teX said:
Yeah, the Seahawks are just about the mirror image of us right now in terms of how injuries have derailed their season, their o-line stinks & prevents their offense from being consistently good, & how a once proud defense appears to be crumbling right before their eyes.
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Wait a second...I feel like I've been duped!!! You mean to tell me that there are other QB's in the NFL having off-seasons due to injuries on their OL's? Hey RS, you could've used this excuse...but you didn't have any talent on the OL or at QB2, QB3, QB4, QB5......to begin with. All I want for Christmas, is a new FO and coaching staff, with a pedigree of success.
 
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