infantrycak
Hall of Fame
True contenders to steelb are an arbitrarily set bar selected by him to not include tbe Texans.
So your suggestions don't fit. The Cassel Pats didn't make the playoffs. The others are getting by.
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True contenders to steelb are an arbitrarily set bar selected by him to not include tbe Texans.
So your suggestions don't fit. The Cassel Pats didn't make the playoffs. The others are getting by.
Number19
Hall of Fame
A rookie in his first start on a mediocre team. Still, would have hoped for more. Coaching staff hasn't decided on whether to stick with him next game. Their season isn't going anywhere. Why not?
He made a great point and somehow you related his post to me. I must be in your head this morning. BTW, I'm not hearing much from the Keenum haters these days.
Read the post above yours.
No arbitrary bars here.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Like everyone else, I love that the Astros won a WS championship.
But, let's be honest here. If the Texans followed the same plan, we would be looking at multiple 2-14 seasons in a row in order to accumulate high draft picks. The Astros tanked on purpose and had three seasons in a row of 100+ losses. . . ON PURPOSE.
There would be a mutiny on this board and Texans fans in general if Kirby tried that plan.
I don't have a whole lot of confidence in this owner, GM, and even HC to an extent, about their ability to put together a championship caliber team. But, I do not doubt their desire to win from year-to-year. While McNair appears to have accepted status quo this season, I do believe they try their best every offseason. Obviously mixed results, but that's not from a lack of desire to win.
I could not root for a football team that decided to tank for multiple years for high draft picks. I just couldn't do it. Baseball is a completely different beast than football. You cannot wash the stink of purposefully losing for so many years from the soul of a football team.
This offseason they appeared to have a lack of desire to win, by purposely deciding to not participate in FA. Unlike the other 31 teams in the NFL. Trading Os and not participating appears to be cash grab by the Texans ORG.
I would be just fine with burning this thing to the ground and starting over since what they're currently doing will never win a championship. With that said, I would be totally against a rebuild with the current ownership/GM/Scouting team that is in place.
BTW, the Rockets are a true contender this season and they've kinda followed what the Texans are doing. (Minus the Texans not participating in FA.) The difference is Morey is better at his job.
It's not arbitrary at all, most experts would agree with me and you're just being argumentative.
What would you consider a true contender? 9-7
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Ah the good ol' 'anonymous experts agree with me' argument. Much easier to say 'I got nothing.'
I'd say the 9-7 teams winning the whole thing including against the 18-0 Pats prove they can be.
Arky
Veteran
Someone correct me if I'm wrong (& that's not a problem 'round here) but if a team signs FA's in the offseason doesn't that subtract from their compensatory picks in the draft?
If that's the case, perhaps Smith was already formulating a plan for the draft and wanted all his bargaining chips in place because he knew he would have to move up to get Watson... i.e. going all-in on Watson..... Might explain why the Texans did absolutely nothing in the off-season....
If that's the case, perhaps Smith was already formulating a plan for the draft and wanted all his bargaining chips in place because he knew he would have to move up to get Watson... i.e. going all-in on Watson..... Might explain why the Texans did absolutely nothing in the off-season....
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Some FAs count and some do not. Qualifying FAs then are offset to determine if a team had a net gain or loss. Then the compensatory picks are awarded to the net loser teams.
Arky
Veteran
OK. So, by not signing anyone in FA, a GM can be assured he will probably get all of his "projected" compensatory picks......
Just a theory, but it would follow that if one is planning a big move in the draft, that those compensatory picks would come in handy to bolster a big move up so that the rest of the draft has "bodies".....
You seem very interested in participation ribbons for FA even if there weren't any real good options there. Which player(s) would you have targeted in the 2017 FA period, and at what cost would you have been good with? Age and/or injury concerns were there for the top OL FAs in 2017. The only possible one I can see would be Zeitler and that would most likely mean a bidding war with Cleveland.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Please don't bring up the damn Cowboys. That's a terrible example. They practicality have the same record as us. And that's with the best offensive line in the NFL. One of the best RB in the NFL and a very solid defense. If you actually look at the Cowboys trend you would see the same pattern of events. 5 losing seasons and then a good season.
Like the Vikings did Reiff who I suggested at the time and Wagner.
The Vikings chose Remmers.
Any of these guys would be a huge upgrade over what the Texans are currently playing at OT. Sad part is that the Texans had the cap space and chose not to make a move..
I disagree with your assessment about the offseason when they pulled the deal for DW4. I know you're not a big fan, but it was obviously a move to try to secure a franchise QB.
Now we should see them trying to put more pieces into place next offseason to support Watson. If they are good at it or not is a different subject, but like I said earlier, incompetence should not be confused with lack of desire to win.
As far as the Rockets, completely different sports. You need 5 starters vs. building a roster of 22 starters plus specialists. I don't see it as a valid comparison as it pertains to team building strategy with the exception of the owner hiring a competent GM.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Some teams catches a few breaks. But lets not act like the Vikings have always gotten everything right. When was the last time they won the SB?
So most people would say a team that isn't even able to reach the AFCCG is a true contender? LOL
Have you ever heard of an abberation? Probably not since you always either 1. like to argue, it doesn't matter which side. 2. Always try to present yourself as right. Regardless of which side you take right or wrong.
BTW, after 12 yrs of the current way the Texans org does their business, do you honestly think they can win a championship with the way the FO is currently constructed? If so, you must like beating your head against a wall.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Steel really hates it when the Texans do not acquire the players he wants. So he goes on and on about what if we acquired this or that player. Or how they would've made us better immediately.
This is an interesting stat sheet. First time I've seen this for the OL
They are accepting of incompetence.
Why?
Because the games are sold out every week. They don't have to improve.
No team does,
Atleast they make an effort to put the best team possible on the field.
Can you honestly say the Texans tried this offseason to put the best team possible on the field? If not then ask yourself the question why? The couple answers you get should be very troubling to Texans fans.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
IMHO... yes.
Do you honestly believe that Smith and the McNair's sit in their suite, slapping each other on the back, saying "well, we suckered them again!!! These fools keep coming regardless of how crappy the team is."? IMO, McNair is averse to change, especially at the upper echelons (read GM), and would rather try new coaching staffs over a clean sweep. I wouldn't mind seeing OB get to pick his own yes man.
I think as long as season ticketsholders keep renewing he doesn't care. Does he want to win? Sure, is it really important to him? Not so much. He's kind of like Adams like that.
What did the other 31 teams do that the Texans organization didn't do this off-season?
I can see by your answer you have chosen to bury your head in the sand and we can't have an honest discussion here.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
I know you’ve been beating this one to death... they didn’t participate in FA, so they obviously don’t care about winning.
What did they do just the year before? They were aggressive in FA signing Allen, Bergstrom, Miller and Brock. What are we doing now? We ***** about how we overpaid for those guys. So you think it would be a good idea to overpay for more FAs?
This offseason, we all know what happened. They put all of their eggs in the Romo basket. They cleared all of this space to sign him and he ends up retiring. By that time, all of the good FAs were gone.
BTW, your statement is false anyways. We signed free agents, they just weren’t significant. Not all 31 teams made significant FA acquisitions.
Bad planning by mgmt then.
All 31 teams signed a atleast 1 player in the 1st two waves of FA.
Hope this clears things up.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Saying the front office is passive due to revenue streams isn't looking at the big picture. Imagine all the money in merch and memorabilia if this team won a championship? McNair could pull a scrooge McDuck and fill NRG with money and swim around.
These guys are actually trying to field a winner they just aren't very good at it and are too proud to hire people who can.
These guys are actually trying to field a winner they just aren't very good at it and are too proud to hire people who can.
Texansballer74
The Marine
And more than half of those teams are in a more horrendous situation than we are dude. Injuries and poor coaching is what plagued us. Not signing FA is the first two waves was not the reason.
I disagree on this. I think Bob McNair's biggest fault is allowing Smith to get too close to him and not keep it a business relationship. I see it as McNair wants to win but realizes he knows little about football and 99% of the time allows his football people to make the call. His org chart is another killer. There needs to be well defined rolls so that he, as the owner, can tell who is making more good decisions than bad ones.
I shudder to think how you would be if you were a fan of the sAints, Browns, Bungles, or a Steelers fan (if you were cuppacoffee's age). Pittsburgh had like 7 winning seasons in their 1st 40 years. Kinda like the sAInts and Bucs. Not every owner/GM has your football acumen and infallible ability to judge talent. Yes, I'm fluent in sarcasm. HA!
2 teams entered this offseason in about the same place. One fixed their OL in FA and is one of the best teams in the NFL playing a 3rd team QB (Most around here wanted Case run out of town and carried on forever about how he sucked.) The other team did nothing and is bearing the fruit of that decision.
It was clear this was going to be a bad season after last offseason. Before you start talking about injuries, remember the Vikings QB played 1 game and they lost Cook for the season. Among other injuries that team has suffered.
He sure knows how to make $$$$ though.
Hopefully he heard those boos loud and clear on AJ day when Ricky was introduced.
Ain't nothing wrong with making $$$$. I'm not a huge Smith fan and would love to see him replaced by some of the people you've named. I just choose not to rail on it. You're a Houston pro sports fan and have incredibly short lack of patience. The town didn't win a major sports title until 1995. And never had one before 1960. Cut 'em some slack.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
They did participate. They were ready to get Romo and get into a bidding war with Denver. They were all in but Jerry didn’t push the button after the discovering the chance that Romo may end up in Houston and affect his fan base who follow Romo. They were swinging big to win now just like with Osweiler.
It’s false to say they were not participating because all the news was they were ready to sign Romo out from under the Broncos. Texans were all in.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Which two teams are you talking about? You can’t be serious about comparing Minnesota and the Texans? Minny had a QB on their roster - Bradford. With Teddy expected to come back. How is that similar when the Texans only had Savage and a draft pick?
Care to link that.
If that was their plan then that was stupid. Putting Romo behind this OL, LOL
There was lots of support for adding Romo... He would have been a huge upgrade after Ozweiler. A bridge to 2018. I think even you supported that if things would have gone differently. No one expected Brown to hold out, and were hoping that Allen would play better when healthy. XSF was playing decently at the end of last year and we were getting Martin back which was like adding another high pick. Giacomini was a head scratcher to replace Newton/Clark tho
Just avg was good enough when we had a suffocating defense & Arian Foster. We haven't had a combo like that in a minute.
We've got what? Two rushi g TDs from our RBs? TEs can't stay on the field, leaving only one playmaker on offense... & JD the only playmaker on defense.
Yeah, I'd be more than satisfied with an avg Savage if the rest of the team weren't so avg.
Baltimore?
They weren't anymore "new" than the Titans. The Browns were the new team. & they would be in the "didn't" column.
Every year, we do this same thing. We point to mediocre teams that started the season well & say, "See, see what I said was right."
Then come November, those teams aren't doing anything worth talking about & we're getting ready to beat someone in the Wild card round.
Then it's all, "Texans can't beat the good teams on the road so they aren't true contenders." Wait, before that we (meaning you) btch because we didn't secure HFA
I'm going to make a bold prediction. If the Texans score 30 Monday night, you may want to start your crawfishing early.
If the Texans score 30 against the Ravens, I'll kiss your a$$ and give you an hour to draw a crowd. They have the 3rd best scoring D in the NFL. If Watson was playing, I'd be much more confident.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
It’s a simple google search. Pick your article. It’s a well known fact. I think you are just playing dumb.
https://www.google.com/search?q=tex...j0j4&hl=en-US&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Reminds me: At the Dickenson drag strip in 58 my older brothers friend told him to "bite my ass".
Brother promptly picked him up, laid him across the trunk of his car. Guy had teeth marks on his ass for a week.
Guess this would be less painful
for TK.
You're right the Texans do the same thing every yr. 9-7, 7-9. With a 11-5, 10-6 mixed in with a 2-14 and 6-10. It is what it is. Just accept the Texans org for what it is and don't expect being a championship contender under the current regime.
BTW, I will take that bet, 30 pts,in Baltimore? LOL
Have you seen Baltimore's defense this yr?
Both OL's sucked last offseason and Bradford only played in 1 game before being replaced by Keenum. Watson started 7 games before he went out and was replaced by Savage. Very comparable.
The difference is the Vikings signed 2 OT's in FA and drafted their C. What did the Texans do in FA/Draft to fix their OL?
dream_team
Hall of Fame
Soooooo...
On one side, you slam the Texans for not participating in FA.
But if they were able to sign Romo in FA, you would have slammed them for signing an injury prone guy?
Got it!
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Good for Romo that the Texans didn't put him behind this OL...anyone remember the term, "Dead Man Walking"?
Yes, I would have, after considering Romo's Injury history.
Yes, I've slammed Ricky for not participating in FA, but there's a difference between participating smartly (Oh say like the Vikings) and participating by giving a large contract to a QB that's so fragile. That will cause cap issues and is frankly a stupid way to go about business, in addition to stupidly putting all of their eggs in the Romo basket so they couldn't upgrade the rest of the team this yr.
If the Romo rumors are true, they should have put a time frame for signing Romo and if he said no, then Ricky should've moved on and used the $$$$ on upgrading the OL (Like the Vikings did in FA) and re-signed Bouye if Ricky wasn't going to use the $$$$ to upgrade the OL.
Instead Ricky sat on his hands waiting on Romo's decision and got burned. It's like he's got no idea of the art of the deal. If true Ricky's actions/inactions are why the team is where it is today.
In short if what your saying is Ricky bet this season on signing Romo and Romo staying healthy then Ricky is even more incompetent than I thought.
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