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JJ Watt Appreciation

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Seeing him go down was one of the worst things I have seen watching NFL.

The guy brings so much to the team and the city of Houston. One of the best athletes ever. I hope his career doesn't get derailed by this injury. Still a HOF'er if he retires early. I am sure he will still be an awesome person after his career.

I don't see how any future Texan can surpass how great he was on and off the field.

He will be missed. Get well. I hope to see you in Texans uniform next year because that is our Superbowl year and you will be needed.
 
Good thing this isn't a career ending injury! Watt is young so he should be able to recover fairly quick. Get well soon big guy!
 
TexansBull said:
Seeing him go down was one of the worst things I have seen watching NFL.

The guy brings so much to the team and the city of Houston. One of the best athletes ever. I hope his career doesn't get derailed by this injury. Still a HOF'er if he retires early. I am sure he will still be an awesome person after his career.

I don't see how any future Texan can surpass how great he was on and off the field.

He will be missed. Get well. I hope to see you in Texans uniform next year because that is our Superbowl year and you will be needed.
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Seeing the look on his face as he was being carted away was really painful. You could tell that he was feeling a pain to where he knew that his season was over, and that the same tragedy had hit him for the 2nd year in a row. All of the ups and downs of this season from poor offense to great offense and him struggling early on, and it just all was hitting him and going through his mind. I feel so bad for him. He's more than just our MVP of the team. He's the strength of the city. Get well JJ.
 
So, basically he was putting so much force into his rush that the thigh bone compacted with the tibia and fractured it. The problem with that is the cartilag3 involved and the healing process requires no weight on said extremity for at least 3 months.

I'm sure Dagger can and will br3ak it down better. Sorry for the pun.

Sucks.

Also.. I knew Merci tore his pectoral as I was watching the play and was reminded of another defensive end we us3d to have here that lost a year due to that.

Again... Sucks.
 
My concern over the last 4 years was the Texans would waste Watt's prime while dicking around with journeyman QB's and the Savage experiment. Forget about 20, we'd be lucky to see Watt get 10 sacks in a season again. 3 back surgeries and now this. And he has said in the past, when he can't play to the level he feels like he should in order to help the team get where they want to go he'd retire.
 
When I was watching it looked like he lost his balance leading him to over extend his left leg and put his whole weight on it, then the opposing tackle pushed down on his shoulders increasing the burden.
 
I think Starlett kicked his heel which created a rotational force that contributed to the injury. CnD will know better but in Brasilian Ju Jitsu the heel hook ( the heel/ foot is grabbed and twisted) can destroy knees
 
TexansBull said:
I don't see how any future Texan can surpass how great he was on and off the field.
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People once said the same thing about Andre Johnson. There will be another great Houston Texans player that comes along and surpasses the previous Hall of Fame caliber talent that we've had. Deshaun Watson may be that guy. He's already an exciting rookie on and off the field. This kid is going to be special for the next 10+ years. And Watson has a chance to have a higher impact than J.J. Watt being a quarterback, aka the most important position on the football field. As great as Watt was - easily the most dominating defensive player of our generation - he couldn't lead us to a Super Bowl. You need a great quarterback to do that.
 
Mangler said:
Good thing this isn't a career ending injury! Watt is young so he should be able to recover fairly quick. Get well soon big guy!
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J.J. Watt is already 28 years old if I'm not mistaken. He has even joked about walking around like a 50-year-old man. He has also talked about retiring from the NFL at 30 years old before. Hopefully he was also joking about that also, but I don't think he was because he sounded serious when saying it.

Given the nature of how much beating he's taking with his body one can only imagine his NFL career is already at the ladder end. These past two season-ending injuries can't be encouraging for him if he wants to play well past 30 years old. I'm hopeful that he'll come back healthy at some point next season, and hopefully plays another season after that.

People have to remember that J.J. Watt's playing style is the most demanding position to play in the entire NFL. In all of sports for that matter. He's literally getting hit hard every single snap with a double team, sometimes a triple team of blockers. Guys that are 6'5 and 300+ pounds. He's taking two or three of them on at all times like he's a modern day Gladiator fighting the Olympian Gods.

J.J. Watt is only human after all. Even though we all viewed him as a bit of a superhero. I don't think he has very much career left in the NFL as a player. Maybe two or three more years. Four or five tops, but I doubt he wants to play that long given some of the comments he has made in the past.

My hope is that when J.J. Watt retires the Houston Texans will have a front office job, or even a coaching job, waiting for him. I also think J.J. Watt could become the future Mayor of Houston, Texas. He's that beloved in this city that I think he'd win the voting process by a wide margin. His future is bright when it comes to overall life which is way more important than football.
 
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So basically since his contract his been injured. $29M paid these last two years, very likely he’ll get next years $15M as well. Even if we’ve seen the last of the generational talent, he’s been well compensated. JJ is a warrior. Hope he comes back healthy...but I’m not betting on it. Damn.
 
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Bulls on Parade said:
People once said the same thing about Andre Johnson. There will be another great Houston Texans player that comes along and surpasses the previous Hall of Fame caliber talent that we've had. Deshaun Watson may be that guy. He's already an exciting rookie on and off the field. This kid is going to be special for the next 10+ years. And Watson has a chance to have a higher impact than J.J. Watt being a quarterback, aka the most important position on the football field. As great as Watt was - easily the most dominating defensive player of our generation - he couldn't lead us to a Super Bowl. You need a great quarterback to do that.
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I said on and off the field. Let me know when Watson raises 30mil for the Harvey reconstruction. I doubt he could/can do that.

Watson is great, and has a bright future, and there is nothing I want to take away from him, but JJ Watt is the ultimate professional on and off the field. No question. In my lifetime I have never seen a person as good on and off the field since Micheal Jordan. JJ Watt brings people together and you can't say anything bad about the guy.

And JJ Watt hasn't led us to a Superbowl - YET. He can still come back. And being a 10 sack player instead of 20 is still being impact player because of his leadership. This FO wasted JJ just like AJ. All we needed was an average QB and we got donkeys. JJ was working against opposing teams and the ineptitude of the FO.

As last night showed - Watson can't do it all and needs help on the other side of the ball too. He needs JJ's help. He's young, talented, and exciting, but defense wins championships.

Next year is the year Texans fans stop waiting for next year.

Sorry if this comes across brash.
 
I’m hopeful for a quick recovery, and he makes it back to help the team get to the next level. But I take him at his word that if he feels he cannot get back to the level he was before, he’ll hang it up. Even though he was publicly saying that “he felt good”, I wonder if he was thinking that the reason why he doesn’t have any sacks so far, had to do with his diminished core strength resulting from those back surgeries. It’d be ludicrous to think it wouldn’t have an effect. And then, you wonder if he’s thinking his reduced core strength indirectly caused his knee injury.

Like I said, I’m hoping for the best, but t just can’t see J.J. wanting to still play if he thinks he can not perform like he used to. He has way too much else going for him.
 
Marcus said:
I’m hopeful for a quick recovery, and he makes it back to help the team get to the next level. But I take him at his word that if he feels he cannot get back to the level he was before, he’ll hang it up. Even though he was publicly saying that “he felt good”, I wonder if he was thinking that the reason why he doesn’t have any sacks so far, had to do with his diminished core strength resulting from those back surgeries. It’d be ludicrous to think it wouldn’t have an effect. And then, you wonder if he’s thinking his reduced core strength indirectly caused his knee injury.

Like I said, I’m hoping for the best, but t just can’t see J.J. wanting to still play if he thinks he can not perform like he used to. He has way too much else going for him.
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It looked like he was getting beaten due to lack of core strength on the play and then his legs gave way under the second effort. Doc's post in the injury thread seems to confirm how it looked to the eye.

A part of me has a hope that if the leg in itself isnt too bad an injury, just a time consuming one, maybe his back has a year to get stronger again.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Who's talking about imitating anything? Or that Deshaun is in any way not real?
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You had said in near like JJ Watt fashion so i took it as imitation. Maybe too strong of a word.

Still stand by what i said. It will take an amazing human being to accomplish what JJ Watt has done and how he brings people and an entire city together.

Not taking anything away from DW, but i don't see lightning striking twice or he accomplish as much as JJ off the field.

On the field this year JJ was still being held, being put in almost headlocks and not getting any calls.

Unless they make DW play with a ball and chain I don't see how he could play with the chips stacked against him in the same way.
 
JJ will always be remembered as a prince among nice guys and a Houston legend. We'll miss you, JJ.
 
TexansBull said:
You had said in near like JJ Watt fashion so i took it as imitation. Maybe too strong of a word.

Still stand by what i said. It will take an amazing human being to accomplish what JJ Watt has done and how he brings people and an entire city together.

Not taking anything away from DW, but i don't see lightning striking twice or he accomplish as much as JJ off the field.

On the field this year JJ was still being held, being put in almost headlocks and not getting any calls.

Unless they make DW play with a ball and chain I don't see how he could play with the chips stacked against him in the same way.
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Why not? Houston had Earl Campbell and then Warren Moon on the field... but not to help each other... hell, they had Munchak and Matthews and Moon (three future HOF'ers and it wasn't enough
 
I don't think it's fair to expect anyone to become what JJ Watt was and is.

The guy's on his own level.


I think he's done. It's devastating personally, too. The guy pretty much singlehandedly kept me watching football and the Texans. During a period of time where my interest and faith in the sport (and sports overall) has waned, from the garbage product on the field league-wide to the garbage product on our team to the muddling and obfuscation and watering down of all the rules to the overexposure of the league, to all the bitchmade players on and off the field across the league with a seemingly endless list of transgressions, to the constant drumbeat about the violence of the sport by casuals and whiners alike, JJ Watt was a beacon. He restored my faith and admiration of athletes.

Every week coming out there changing games DIRECTLY on his own, doing things nobody's seen, somehow even getting better every year, nary a peep of bullshit, what should have been an MVP award, all the DPOYs, leading this team like a warrior and basically never stopping his ridiculous motor? AND being what he was and is off the field too? Is it real life to be able to root for this guy? I asked myself that question every single time I watched him play or read about something he did off the field in the community. I bought his jersey literally just in appreciation of his existence.

I always figured it would end like this, though. What he was doing was unsustainable. Sad. Super sad.
 
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Why not? Houston had Earl Campbell and then Warren Moon on the field... but not to help each other... hell, they had Munchak and Matthews and Moon (three future HOF'ers and it wasn't enough
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Read my posts again in this thread and that should answer you question.
 
Mangler said:
Good thing this isn't a career ending injury! Watt is young so he should be able to recover fairly quick. Get well soon big guy!
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Between last year and this year.............It makes me wonder if we will see the "dominant JJ" again.
 
bigmck said:
Between last year and this year.............It makes me wonder if we will see the "dominant JJ" again.
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I was wondering that this year but the fact that he spent pretty much the entire season up until now carrying 2 offensive linemen with their arms wrapped around his neck convinced me that we were seeing his best effort and the opposing team was being allowed to get away with murder in trying to stop him. Watching these guys trying to stop him with WWE moves was getting old and it did affect JJ's stats but the effort was there. I know it was covered in another thread but the Texans really need to put together a game tape of all of those holds and send the league office a serious "WTF?"
 
Hervoyel said:
I was wondering that this year but the fact that he spent pretty much the entire season up until now carrying 2 offensive linemen with their arms wrapped around his neck convinced me that we were seeing his best effort and the opposing team was being allowed to get away with murder in trying to stop him. Watching these guys trying to stop him with WWE moves was getting old and it did affect JJ's stats but the effort was there. I know it was covered in another thread but the Texans really need to put together a game tape of all of those holds and send the league office a serious "WTF?"
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Effort and ability are two very different things. I agree that I saw the effort, but I didn't see the same ability for JJ to beat those double teams, as he did in the past, due to his inability to bend and flex with the same explosive power that JJ had pre-back injury/severe core muscle injuries. CnD did a fantastic job of showing how this knee injury was almost predictable due to the lack of stability with JJs core muscles.
 
TexansBull said:
You had said in near like JJ Watt fashion so i took it as imitation. Maybe too strong of a word.

Still stand by what i said. It will take an amazing human being to accomplish what JJ Watt has done and how he brings people and an entire city together.

Not taking anything away from DW, but i don't see lightning striking twice or he accomplish as much as JJ off the field.

On the field this year JJ was still being held, being put in almost headlocks and not getting any calls.

Unless they make DW play with a ball and chain I don't see how he could play with the chips stacked against him in the same way.
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Proficiency at Watson's position has much more impact on the outcome of a game than skill at Watt's position does.
 
Mollywhopper said:
A dynamic, superstar qb all of a sudden in a qb-starved football town ... and one who continually says and does all the right things off the field, in near identical JJ-like fashion ... why couldn't he?
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Yep. The kid is already off to a great start when he donated his first game check to those cafeteria workers. That was all heart and says a lot about the guy.

None of this diminishes Watt's legacy in this city. Nothing will ever change that. But, there is absolutely no reason why Watson cannot be inspired to be the same type of guiding light.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
And Watson has a chance to have a higher impact than J.J. Watt being a quarterback, aka the most important position on the football field. As great as Watt was - easily the most dominating defensive player of our generation - he couldn't lead us to a Super Bowl. You need a great quarterback to do that.
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Not that I'm disagreeing with your general sentiment, but something to think about - GB has probably the best QB in the game for the past several years now, and they've only made it to one SB. Marino only ever made it to one SB. Drew Brees is a truly elite QB and has only been to one SB. Rivers is maybe just a step behind that and has never been to the SB.

There are plenty of other examples, but you take my point. Yes, the QB is the toughest piece of the puzzle to get, but you still need to surround that QB with some great players (like JJ Watt). I feel like Watson has what it takes between the ears to be an elite QB. Add in the physical tools he has, and he could be an all time great. But he's still going to need some help. The NFL is a tough league.
 
DocBar said:
Effort and ability are two very different things. I agree that I saw the effort, but I didn't see the same ability for JJ to beat those double teams, as he did in the past, due to his inability to bend and flex with the same explosive power that JJ had pre-back injury/severe core muscle injuries. CnD did a fantastic job of showing how this knee injury was almost predictable due to the lack of stability with JJs core muscles.
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If your watch the play Scarlett kicked his foot and that’s why JJ lost balance. I highly doubt it had anything to do with a lack of stability in JJs core. There are powerlifters with fractured vertebra and herniated discs that have squatted over 1000 lbs. I too saw great effort in JJ, he was a fraction of a second from making numerous plays this season. I’d offer another option, perhaps he was a bit rusty from missing an entire season and playing next to no mins in the preseason
 
Seegara said:
Proficiency at Watson's position has much more impact on the outcome of a game than skill at Watt's position does.
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I have no desire to make this a Watson vs JJ Watt thread. I try to put disclaimer that I wasn't trying to take anything away from Watson, but people keep pulling me back in. And i always said complete package on am off field.
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Against the most important position in football JJ can do this to a QB. He completely changed that game and many others. That's what makes him so great. At a position that isn't supposed to have as much as an impact he does.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/09000d5d825cb023/Wild-Card-Can-t-Miss-Play-Watt-a-play

He is coming back. The fracture wasn't as bad as thought or could have been. He may not be 20 sack back to back years player, but he will still be an elite pass rusher and make this defense, team, and if needed, this city better.

Can't wait for next year.
 
eriadoc said:
Not that I'm disagreeing with your general sentiment, but something to think about - GB has probably the best QB in the game for the past several years now, and they've only made it to one SB. Marino only ever made it to one SB. Drew Brees is a truly elite QB and has only been to one SB. Rivers is maybe just a step behind that and has never been to the SB.

There are plenty of other examples, but you take my point. Yes, the QB is the toughest piece of the puzzle to get, but you still need to surround that QB with some great players (like JJ Watt). I feel like Watson has what it takes between the ears to be an elite QB. Add in the physical tools he has, and he could be an all time great. But he's still going to need some help. The NFL is a tough league.
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I don't think it boils down to 'this great QB (Rodgers, Brees, Marino etc) in particular did it this many times'. No more so than 'this great defense with no QB (TB, Balt, Den, etc) did it this many times' anyway. Instead the idea of having a stud difference maker at the most influential position in the game comes down to the collection of times great QBs have found themselves in the SB and the probability it adds to your team getting there.

Starr
Unitas
Namath
Staubach
Tarkenton
Bradshaw
Montana
Elway
Marino
Kelly
Aikman
Young
Favre
Warner
Brady
P Manning
E Manning
Roethlisberger
Brees
Wilson
Ryan

On the whole there are more of these types of impact makers behind center in the final game of the year than there are teams without them. Agreed, a QB can't be expected to do it alone, but odds take a giant leap upward with having one than without.
 
TexansBull said:
I have no desire to make this a Watson vs JJ Watt thread. I try to put disclaimer that I wasn't trying to take anything away from Watson, but people keep pulling me back in. And i always said complete package on am off field.
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Anyways back to what's important:

Against the most important position in football JJ can do this to a QB. He completely changed that game and many others. That's what makes him so great. At a position that isn't supposed to have as much as an impact he does.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/09000d5d825cb023/Wild-Card-Can-t-Miss-Play-Watt-a-play

He is coming back. The fracture wasn't as bad as thought or could have been. He may not be 20 sack back to back years player, but he will still be an elite pass rusher and make this defense, team, and if needed, this city better.

Can't wait for next year.
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I love JJ Watt (in that "fan love" sort of way, of course). I consider him in the top 3 all time of pass rushers. That said, there was absolutely nothing he could do to prevent a 2-14 season, even with a top rated defense around him.

Elite QBs, on the other hand (and here's to hoping that Watson is elite someday), touch the ball of every offensive snap, and can do much more to win games and even make up for other deficiencies on a given team.

I like your optimism about Watt's return. He certainly deserves a chance to play on a team that has a functioning QB on the roster. I'm sure we all share that hope.
 
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If your watch the play Scarlett kicked his foot and that’s why JJ lost balance. I highly doubt it had anything to do with a lack of stability in JJs core. There are powerlifters with fractured vertebra and herniated discs that have squatted over 1000 lbs. I too saw great effort in JJ, he was a fraction of a second from making numerous plays this season. I’d offer another option, perhaps he was a bit rusty from missing an entire season and playing next to no mins in the preseason
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Go read CnD's post on the subject. It's pretty much the exact opposite of how a power lifter is going to use muscles. It's either in the injury thread or the Chiefs game day thread. It goes into detail on the stresses places on the knee joint due to core/ back instability.
 
otisbean said:
If your watch the play Scarlett kicked his foot and that’s why JJ lost balance. I highly doubt it had anything to do with a lack of stability in JJs core. There are powerlifters with fractured vertebra and herniated discs that have squatted over 1000 lbs. I too saw great effort in JJ, he was a fraction of a second from making numerous plays this season. I’d offer another option, perhaps he was a bit rusty from missing an entire season and playing next to no mins in the preseason
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If you want to offer the stick-your-head-in-the-sand option, be my guest.

Right now, nobody has a clue if J.J. skills have diminished. But it’s beyond ludicrous to think that you can undergo two back surgeries, and not result in atrophy of the core muscle groups, particularly in fact that some people are forgetting that with the first back surgery, they also had to repair 5, five torn core muscles. So where in the rule book does it say that being realistic is being a Debbie Downer? That’s bullsh!t, Ellis.

JJ has said that if he can’t play to a high level anymore, he’ll quit. I know a lot of players have said that, and never meant it. But in JJ’s case, I take him at his word.

I have no doubt whatsoever that he’ll attack the rehab on his knee like he attacks everything else. He’ll give it 110%, and will be ready for camp next year. But I also have no doubt that he is going to do some serious self-evaluating, if he hasn’t done that already. He’s a smart, intelligent man, and it won’t take him long to figure out if he’s “got it” anymore. And if he decides he doesn’t, I have no doubt he’ll march right into OB or RS’s office and say “I’m done!”

Or he will decide that he can play, and he’ll stick around. But if the front office doesn’t plan the future as if JJ does decide to quit, they are out of their fricking minds.
 
Marcus said:
If you want to offer the stick-your-head-in-the-sand option, be my guest.

Right now, nobody has a clue if J.J. skills have diminished. But it’s beyond ludicrous to think that you can undergo two back surgeries, and not result in atrophy of the core muscle groups, particularly in fact that some people are forgetting that with the first back surgery, they also had to repair 5, five torn core muscles. So where in the rule book does it say that being realistic is being a Debbie Downer? That’s bullsh!t, Ellis.

JJ has said that if he can’t play to a high level anymore, he’ll quit. I know a lot of players have said that, and never meant it. But in JJ’s case, I take him at his word.

I have no doubt whatsoever that he’ll attack the rehab on his knee like he attacks everything else. He’ll give it 110%, and will be ready for camp next year. But I also have no doubt that he is going to do some serious self-evaluating, if he hasn’t done that already. He’s a smart, intelligent man, and it won’t take him long to figure out if he’s “got it” anymore. And if he decides he doesn’t, I have no doubt he’ll march right into OB or RS’s office and say “I’m done!”

Or he will decide that he can play, and he’ll stick around. But if the front office doesn’t plan the future as if JJ does decide to quit, they are out of their fricking minds.
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I won't be upset if JJ calls it a career. Terrell Davis getting into the HOF should cement Watt getting there. He has to consider quality of life after football and that is very important. I deal with the consequences of trying to play the game too long and it isn't fun. Life after pro sports is so much longer than life playing pro sports.
 
Marcus said:
But if the front office doesn’t plan the future as if JJ does decide to quit, they are out of their fricking minds.
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Looking at the limited draft picks, and the need to protect our new QB, i don't see what else they could do but sign Clowney.

Plus, looking at the "Cushing experience" I think they will give Watt the benefit of the doubt and expect him to come back. How many years did we go before drafting his eventual replacement after his ups and downs?

Not saying your wrong about not having a plan b, but given the track record i doubt much thought is given in the FO.
 
DocBar said:
Go read CnD's post on the subject. It's pretty much the exact opposite of how a power lifter is going to use muscles. It's either in the injury thread or the Chiefs game day thread. It goes into detail on the stresses places on the knee joint due to core/ back instability.
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If you read my post, I said his injury is cause by Scarlett kicking his foot, causing him kick his own foot, lose his balance and land awkwardly. I don't think a lack of core strength contributed to this injury, it was bad luck. Here's the video

http://www.businessinsider.com/jj-watt-texans-knee-injury-2017-10

My comments about core strength were directed at you saying he was giving effort but not explosive. First, it takes time to come 100% back from injury. Most athletes say it takes 2 years to feel like themselves after an ACL injury, why would a back injury be any different? I think has JJ played well this season all things considered, and had he been able to continue the season I think he would have gotten better and better as the rust was knocked off. Do I think he'll ever be 100%, probably not, but 80-90% of JJ's best is better than 80-90% of the guys in the league
 
Marcus said:
If you want to offer the stick-your-head-in-the-sand option, be my guest.

Right now, nobody has a clue if J.J. skills have diminished. But it’s beyond ludicrous to think that you can undergo two back surgeries, and not result in atrophy of the core muscle groups, particularly in fact that some people are forgetting that with the first back surgery, they also had to repair 5, five torn core muscles. So where in the rule book does it say that being realistic is being a Debbie Downer? That’s bullsh!t, Ellis.

JJ has said that if he can’t play to a high level anymore, he’ll quit. I know a lot of players have said that, and never meant it. But in JJ’s case, I take him at his word.

I have no doubt whatsoever that he’ll attack the rehab on his knee like he attacks everything else. He’ll give it 110%, and will be ready for camp next year. But I also have no doubt that he is going to do some serious self-evaluating, if he hasn’t done that already. He’s a smart, intelligent man, and it won’t take him long to figure out if he’s “got it” anymore. And if he decides he doesn’t, I have no doubt he’ll march right into OB or RS’s office and say “I’m done!”

Or he will decide that he can play, and he’ll stick around. But if the front office doesn’t plan the future as if JJ does decide to quit, they are out of their fricking minds.
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Who the F is offering a stick your head in the sand opinion? Re-read the post you quoted hoss and you'll find nothing of that sort. I was replying about the mechanism of injury on the play where he hurt himself. I mentioned the powerlifters as an example that guys can recover from back injuries. It takes time though. I think JJ has played well this season all things considered, but it would've taken time to come back towards full strength, that's all I said
 
otisbean said:
Who the F is offering a stick your head in the sand opinion? Re-read the post you quoted hoss and you'll find nothing of that sort. I was replying about the mechanism of injury on the play where he hurt himself. I mentioned the powerlifters as an example that guys can recover from back injuries. It takes time though. I think JJ has played well this season all things considered, but it would've taken time to come back towards full strength, that's all I said
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otisbean said:
If you read my post, I said his injury is cause by Scarlett kicking his foot, causing him kick his own foot, lose his balance and land awkwardly. I don't think a lack of core strength contributed to this injury, it was bad luck. Here's the video

http://www.businessinsider.com/jj-watt-texans-knee-injury-2017-10

My comments about core strength were directed at you saying he was giving effort but not explosive. First, it takes time to come 100% back from injury. Most athletes say it takes 2 years to feel like themselves after an ACL injury, why would a back injury be any different? I think has JJ played well this season all things considered, and had he been able to continue the season I think he would have gotten better and better as the rust was knocked off. Do I think he'll ever be 100%, probably not, but 80-90% of JJ's best is better than 80-90% of the guys in the league
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otisbean said:
If you read my post, I said his injury is cause by Scarlett kicking his foot, causing him kick his own foot, lose his balance and land awkwardly. I don't think a lack of core strength contributed to this injury, it was bad luck. Here's the video

http://www.businessinsider.com/jj-watt-texans-knee-injury-2017-10

My comments about core strength were directed at you saying he was giving effort but not explosive. First, it takes time to come 100% back from injury. Most athletes say it takes 2 years to feel like themselves after an ACL injury, why would a back injury be any different? I think has JJ played well this season all things considered, and had he been able to continue the season I think he would have gotten better and better as the rust was knocked off. Do I think he'll ever be 100%, probably not, but 80-90% of JJ's best is better than 80-90% of the guys in the league
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Did my reply to this not get posted?
 
Good luck to JJ. The selfish football/Texans fan in me hopes he comes back and plays for another 5 years albeit I think it would be at a mere mortal level. But the human in me wonders if it's time to hang up the cleats before he is even more damaged. Imagine JJ at my age (54) with the damage he has already sustained. He's too damn good of a person for me to be selfish. He gave his all and then some to his team and to this fanbase and city. He is almost a mythical figure here, but I care too much about JJ the person to wish more wear and tear on the body. Be good to yourself JJ - if you can't come back at near full force, it's time to leave the game.

While I could see him being a coach or in some other capacity, my feeling is he is headed to Hollywood. He's already world famous, has the looks etc. I can see him in roles like the Rock does now. Or he could do something else in entertainment. The world is his oyster and there are numerous options for his post playing days.
 
He's a HoF football player.
He's a tremendous person of seemingly incredible character.
He's a bright guy with a legendary work ethic.
He'll find some manner of success after football.

He's not the Rock.
 
Mollywhopper said:
He's a HoF football player.
He's a tremendous person of seemingly incredible character.
He's a bright guy with a legendary work ethic.
He'll find some manner of success after football.

He's not the Rock.
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Howie Long? Lol.

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Double Barrel said:
I consider him in the top 3 all time of pass rushers.
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That is a really bold statement... one I agree with. But then I don't consider the all time sack leader one of the 3 greatest. That would be an interesting topic someday

all time pass rushers is totally different than top DLman
 
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