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All encompassing Bill O'Brien thread

steelbtexan said:
How is it when BOB finally opens up the offense because he knew if he didn't learn to trust his rookie QB he would be fired and puts up the most points in franchise history, he still gets compared to Kubiak.

I've come to the conclusion that no matter what BOB does with this team, there's a certain portion of Aggie fans on here that will hate BOB for only one reason. (He isn't Gary Kubiak)
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They work well together and a lot of what Watson does , keeps defenses guessing . I can't see Kubiak doing that stuff but Bill seems to have embraced it . At times it seems the Texans had 13 guys on the field to the Titans 11 which is what the Pats did with Chris Hogan the week before .

Watson's job is to keep it rolling and avoid the big hits .
 
Speedy said:
Is him becoming a good coach because he FINALLY gets QB right? Funny how this "complicated" offense looks like a real NFL offense all of a sudden with some talent in the driver's seat.
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What I'm saying is that I don't think this IS "his offensive system." Due to the fact that he had his choice of quarterback and brought in many different ones---HIS PICK----to make it work and couldn't. And even HIS last draft pick project Savage was a complete and utter failure. Then Watson came in with an entirely different skillset, something totally different than what he's wanted and acquired for his super amazing super smart system to this point, and now it works?

I don't buy it. No. I think he realizes he's on the hot seat and he's maybe stopped being such a stubborn pieceashit and has actually catered to Watson's evident abilities.

Of course, whatever it is, I hope it keeps going.
 
steelbtexan said:
How is it when BOB finally opens up the offense because he knew if he didn't learn to trust his rookie QB he would be fired and puts up the most points in franchise history, he still gets compared to Kubiak.

I've come to the conclusion that no matter what BOB does with this team, there's a certain portion of Aggie fans on here that will hate BOB for only one reason. (He isn't Gary Kubiak)
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Nah, look at Kubiak's records with all the QBs.
He made Osweiler look good.
He turned Trevor Sieman into a solid QB.
Even Keenum showed something in a melt down year; had the defense played the way they normally play, Case would have had more time on the field and a better result (9/6 TD/Int ratio isn't bad at all for a first time starter.)
 
steelbtexan said:
How is it when BOB finally opens up the offense because he knew if he didn't learn to trust his rookie QB he would be fired and puts up the most points in franchise history, he still gets compared to Kubiak.

I've come to the conclusion that no matter what BOB does with this team, there's a certain portion of Aggie fans on here that will hate BOB for only one reason. (He isn't Gary Kubiak)
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lol I am an Aggie hater of epic proportions. However, anyone who doesn’t recognize Kubiak’s ability to develop quarterbacks is just wearing blinders.


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Pantherstang84 said:
Yup. Totally agree. I think Kubes could have finished the season and find Schaub's. replacement if his health hadn't started to fail him. I think McNair's firing of Kubiak had more to do with his mini strokes than the team's performance. Just my opinion.
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I think it was RS realizing he finally had a chance to take control if he acted fast enough. No way Kubiak was right soon after the mini stroke, and probably couldn't put up much of a argument at that point if he even tried. But Kubiak had lost the locker room at that point due to insistence that Schaub would be ok
 
Pantherstang84 said:
lol I am an Aggie hater of epic proportions. However, anyone who doesn’t recognize Kubiak’s ability to develop quarterbacks is just wearing blinders.


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I'm not saying Kubiak didn't know how to develop QB's.

That's not even close to the point I'm trying to make.
 
steelbtexan said:
How is it when BOB finally opens up the offense because he knew if he didn't learn to trust his rookie QB he would be fired and puts up the most points in franchise history, he still gets compared to Kubiak.

I've come to the conclusion that no matter what BOB does with this team, there's a certain portion of Aggie fans on here that will hate BOB for only one reason. (He isn't Gary Kubiak)
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What do you know about the game, you were boycotting?

But, Ummm, 8 prior QB failures, 2 1st game hooks, 3 years of worsening O.

PS - kids go to UT, "hate" Aggies. Anyone with football sense can see how Watson fits a Kubiak style O. OB just did.
 
Thorn said:
We win, I like him. We lose, I don't like him. I try and keep things simple.
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Dilly! Dilly!
 
DocBar said:
And your point is? Are you going to argue that OB has had an epiphany and suddenly learned how to run an offense after three seasons of irrefutable proof that he doesn't know how? Are you going to further argue that OB is a better offensive mind than Kubiak? OB is an imposter of an offensive mind in the NFL.
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Haven't you read or heard the reports and comments on the relationship between OB and Watson? Or do you just dismiss this reporting?

The Chron this morning reports on this relationship and how OB and Watson are picking each other's ideas, and OB listening to Watson's suggestions as to what plays he excelles at, and the two of them designing plays that plays to his strengths.

Watson has the talent but OB is putting together the offense which allows Watson to play his game.

I don't think we can ask any more than this.
 
Number19 said:
Haven't you read or heard the reports and comments on the relationship between OB and Watson? Or do you just dismiss this reporting?

The Chron this morning reports on this relationship and how OB and Watson are picking each other's ideas, and OB listening to Watson's suggestions as to what plays he excelles at, and the two of them designing plays that plays to his strengths.

Watson has the talent but OB is putting together the offense which allows Watson to play his game.

I don't think we can ask any more than this.
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Well, something is happening, that's for sure. That wasn't the normal Texans we got yesterday, and that sure as hell wasn't a typical OB game plan.
 
Number19 said:
Haven't you read or heard the reports and comments on the relationship between OB and Watson? Or do you just dismiss this reporting?

The Chron this morning reports on this relationship and how OB and Watson are picking each other's ideas, and OB listening to Watson's suggestions as to what plays he excelles at, and the two of them designing plays that plays to his strengths.

Watson has the talent but OB is putting together the offense which allows Watson to play his game.

I don't think we can ask any more than this.
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I haven't read anything on this. I try not to patronize the Comical.
 
infantrycak said:
What do you know about the game, you were boycotting?

But, Ummm, 8 prior QB failures, 2 1st game hooks, 3 years of worsening O.

PS - kids go to UT, "hate" Aggies. Anyone with football sense can see how Watson fits a Kubiak style O. OB just did.
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57 points I could see that.

Agreed about how Watson would fit in a Kubiak offense.

This just in, as bad as some would like it Kubiak doesn't and never will coach here again. I just wish the Aggies would quit the cult mentality and realize something special can happen here without their beloved Kubiak.
 
The Aggie fascination is yours. I like Kubiak in spite of any Aggie connection rather than because of. I'm the maverick in my family that otherwise all taught at or went to UT.
 
infantrycak said:
The Aggie fascination is yours. I like Kubiak in spite of any Aggie connection rather than because of. I'm the maverick in my family that otherwise all taught at or went to UT.
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I have nothing against Aggies.

Some of my family and friends are Aggies.

There's no denying though there's a cult mentality.
 
steelbtexan said:
I have nothing against Aggies.

Some of my family and friends are Aggies.

There's no denying though there's a cult mentality.
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No doubt. One of my best friends went there. We went to the Bo Jackson Cotton Bowl.

Bonfire the night before, things got ugly. We had girls. Not after what they saw kept them safe.
 
OB gets undue flack for not adjusting his offense to fit his Qb's strengths. He does and has done it over the years with Fitz and Hoyer & even Keenum to a lesser extent. With Mallet and Oz, there just wasn't anything that each of those guys did particularly well for OB to adjust to. What we're seeing with Watson is OB having a premium talent to work with for the 1st time and being able to adjust to a myriad of things Watson does well.
 
I wanted GK as the Texans first head coach, but we know how that went. Kubiak's teams did not make half-time changes, or if they did, they were small and ineffectual. In addition, he helped RS come to the Texans and that affected drafts and talent on the field. RS has done well enough in the first round and with street-free agents, but he and GK did not adequately plan for future. Be it not being able to find a good DC until Wade was handed to them, then breaking up a good defense (remember Demeco Ryans?) or a good OL. It was time for GK to go.

GK could not get it done under RS. I hope BOB is able to.
 
steelbtexan said:
This just in, as bad as some would like it Kubiak doesn't and never will coach here again. I just wish the Aggies would quit the cult mentality and realize something special can happen here without their beloved Kubiak.
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I don't think there's a Kubiak Cult going on here. It's just a fact, Kubiak is the only other successful coach we had here, so it's only natural to compare the current coach to the previous. We did it when Kubiak took over for Capers & if we ever move on from O'b we'll do it to him as well.
 
Mr teX said:
OB gets undue flack for not adjusting his offense to fit his Qb's strengths. He does and has done it over the years with Fitz and Hoyer & even Keenum to a lesser extent. With Mallet and Oz, there just wasn't anything that each of those guys did particularly well for OB to adjust to. What we're seeing with Watson is OB having a premium talent to work with for the 1st time and being able to adjust to a myriad of things Watson does well.
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I really think it's more about Watson understanding what O'b is seeing, what he's wanting to do. The QB has a lot of freedom & control at the LOS. While we think O'b is insane for continuing to run Lamar Miller straight up the A gap, that very well could have been the QBs call.
 
thunderkyss said:
I really think it's more about Watson understanding what O'b is seeing, what he's wanting to do. The QB has a lot of freedom & control at the LOS. While we think O'b is insane for continuing to run Lamar Miller straight up the A gap, that very well could have been the QBs call.
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Flip it...OB sees what Watson sees on the field & adjusts the gameplan accordingly. For all the ballyhooing about how explosive OB's offense was when he was with the Pats, OB at heart is conservative and wants to run the ball more often than not. If he must throw it, he'd rather throw it to the middle of the field to the TE's which is why Hernandez and Gronk became so prominent when he was with the Pats. His biggest fault is that he places too much emphasis on practice (evidence by why Hoyer & Savage were given the starting nods & then yanked after a half of football) & that he doesn't really trust young guys at the qb position; which is true for most coaches.

Walsh and Montana, Belichick and Brady..........HC and Qb have to function as 1 brain to achieve the ultimate success...unless you're Noll and Bradshaw that is. What we're seeing now is OB learning to trust Deshaun to make the right decisions on the field on where the ball needs to go among other things... more importantly however, he's learning to trust what Deshaun sees out on the field so that he can adjust the playcalling.
 
Mr teX said:
OB gets undue flack for not adjusting his offense to fit his Qb's strengths. He does and has done it over the years with Fitz and Hoyer & even Keenum to a lesser extent. With Mallet and Oz, there just wasn't anything that each of those guys did particularly well for OB to adjust to. What we're seeing with Watson is OB having a premium talent to work with for the 1st time and being able to adjust to a myriad of things Watson does well.
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To add to that, some people say he "hand picked" his QBs....well when you are handpicking from a pile of trash, the outcome is usually garbage
 
Bottom line is you don't call qb runs or read option plays if you know your qb doesn't know how to slide or get down to protect himself (looking at you Mike Shanahan). You don't call passes down the field (unless you have to) if your qb sucks at throwing the deep ball.
 
Mr teX said:
Bottom line is you don't call qb runs or read option plays if you know your qb doesn't know how to slide or get down to protect himself (looking at you Mike Shanahan). You don't call passes down the field (unless you have to) if your qb sucks at throwing the deep ball.
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BS. You call ordinary plays, and if the QB capitalizes on their scrambling ability you are happy.
 
infantrycak said:
BS. You call ordinary plays, and if the QB capitalizes on their scrambling ability you are happy.
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I guess i don't understand where the B.S. lies in what i said. OB wasn't calling designed qb sneaks for DW4 in the Cincy game..he did in these last 2 though. It shows he's adjusting and trusting in trying to take advantage of DW4's skillset. As a coach, you'd rather call a play you know is blocked up to protect your guy in certain sense rather than having him running around unpredictably.
 
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Maybe I misinterpreted you. Scrambling QB you should call normal plays and then they extend and make things happen. Bad idea is turn them into running QB. OB played with a new toy today. He needs to concentrate on throwing not running. I have little confidence in OB - pretty sure hooking your chosen starter in the 1st game.2 seasons in a row has never happened befire.
 
infantrycak said:
Maybe I misinterpreted you. Scrambling QB you should call normal plays and then they extend and make things happen. Bad idea is turn them into running QB. OB played with a new toy today. He needs to concentrate on throwing not running. I have little confidence in OB - pretty sure hooking your chosen starter in the 1st game.2 seasons in a row has never happened befire.
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It didn't happen with OB either.
 
sandman said:
It didn't happen with OB either.
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Huh? Ok not back to back.

It's odd to hook your chosen QB in week one at all. Doing it twice is just whack.

I'll bet without looking no HC has ever hooked his starting QB in the starting game twice. Wanna bet on that?
 
infantrycak said:
Maybe I misinterpreted you. Scrambling QB you should call normal plays and then they extend and make things happen. Bad idea is turn them into running QB. OB played with a new toy today. He needs to concentrate on throwing not running. I have little confidence in OB - pretty sure hooking your chosen starter in the 1st game.2 seasons in a row has never happened befire.
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ok i gotcha & in that case we can agree to disagree simply b/c OB is calling these designed runs in very controlled situations most times. So i don't look at like he's turning him into a running qb, rather he's as you say exploring how cool his new toy is and keeping that knife sharpened in case he uses it later.

And lets be real here, Ob hooked Savage and Hoyer after 1 half of football. I agree it's odd as hell but As it pertains to the outcome of each of those games, I don't think it would've mattered much. It actually might've been a blessing in disguise that DW4 didn't start that Jags game b/c the o-line wasn't trying to block anything that day.
 
Mr teX said:
And lets be real here, Ob hooked Savage and Hoyer after 1 half of football. I agree it's odd as hell but As it pertains to the outcome of each of those games, I don't think it would've mattered much. It actually might've been a blessing in disguise that DW4 didn't start that Jags game b/c the o-line wasn't trying to block anything that day.
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Here we differ. I'm not wedded to one type of QB. Pardon the Cowboys references. Staubach and Aikmann are polar opposites. (I liked watching Staubach more). There is no scheme where they effectively play the same. OB seems to disagree. I hope I'm wrong .
 
Porky said:
Exactly. Look at my new avatar for proof. It reminds me of the political bickering. It's like people pick a side and refuse to change or look at current facts.
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I have not had this much optimistic hope for the Texans, and I'd probably have to go back to the run & shoot days (pre 35-3) to find a time when I just had a good feeling about a Houston pro football team's future.

Watson is the real deal, as far as I'm concerned, and with the players around him and this defense, I honestly feel that our team has a shot at greatness.
 
Three teams are 2-2, but I have no doubt now that the cream will rise to the top. I think the Texans take the division again. I can easily see them at 8-4 or maybe 9-3 the rest of the way, and that should be enough to take it. All of this assumes good health of you know who (knocks on wood). The difference is this time they may be able to make some real noise in the postseason...even with a rookie at QB. It's been done before ala Big Ben.
 
DocBar said:
And your point is? Are you going to argue that OB has had an epiphany and suddenly learned how to run an offense after three seasons of irrefutable proof that he doesn't know how? Are you going to further argue that OB is a better offensive mind than Kubiak? OB is an imposter of an offensive mind in the NFL.
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Not at all.
I am stating the obvious - you still need a decent qb to make the throws.
This is verified when you look at the sorry list of qbs we have had in here under his tenure.
Watson is for real.
 
Watson has played lights out the last two weeks and OB seems to have a secret appendix to his playbook. IMO, we fans shall see what's what against the Chiefs. Let's admit it: the Pats and tAcks have two pretty bad defenses. If the Texans are able to move the ball and put up points against a quality D like the Chiefs, I'll be much more convinced that both Watson and OB could be long term answers for the Texans.
 
DocBar said:
If the Texans are able to move the ball and put up points against a quality D like the Chiefs, I'll be much more convinced that both Watson and OB could be long term answers for the Texans.
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I just hope they can do enough to win next week.
 
DocBar said:
Watson has played lights out the last two weeks and OB seems to have a secret appendix to his playbook. IMO, we fans shall see what's what against the Chiefs. Let's admit it: the Pats and tAcks have two pretty bad defenses. If the Texans are able to move the ball and put up points against a quality D like the Chiefs, I'll be much more convinced that both Watson and OB could be long term answers for the Texans.
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I agree just hope folks don't flee to the hills if Texans lose. We have to remember losing to better team does not necessarily rule out long term success. I just might have to move QB down from round three in my 2018 mock.
 
thunderkyss said:
I just hope they can do enough to win next week.
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Me too. This weeks game is a much better barometer for the Texans offense than the last two games. Win, lose or draw, we'll all have a better idea of where Watson and OB are as an offense.
 
badboy said:
I agree just hope folks don't flee to the hills if Texans lose. We have to remember losing to better team does not necessarily rule out long term success. I just might have to move QB down from round three in my 2018 mock.
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You mean Allen , Clark & XSF haven't been bad enough to have OL as the top need ... yet ?!
 
badboy said:
I agree just hope folks don't flee to the hills if Texans lose. We have to remember losing to better team does not necessarily rule out long term success. I just might have to move QB down from round three in my 2018 mock.
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All that matters is continuing to look like a competent team.

If we revert to looking like a pile of **** against a team that's completely owned us and making the same terrible mistakes that have plagued this regime, I don't see why people shouldn't be back to being pissed.

Kansas City is the most creative offensive team in the league, and they've got a hell of a defense to boot. Let's see if the Texans can hang. Let's see if these losers have learned anything.
 
Max protect, Michael Jordan and Wade Phillip's epic defense ... to attribute any part of our success to O'Brien is just asinine. How quickly we forget the coaching failures against New England, yet laud the Titans' failures that allowed a touchdown on a 2 route play action from the 90's. Watson is going to single handedly save the career of O'Brien and Smith - by being able to take advantage of an offense that can only afford to send 3 into a pattern.
 
Brandon420tx said:
I'm waiting for the end of the season before I decide if I'm going to change my soap. This soap was well earned and it's going to stay for now.
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I'm using the new improved Clorox formula , it also removes nasty stained in GM's .... they both earned it.


Watson will probably buy OB next season at least - we can hope after that they move on from this guy and find someone with a more creative offense and better at clock management. RAC can stick around with Vrabel and a couple others but OB and Tricky Rick need to be gone with the wind.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
All that matters is continuing to look like a competent team.

If we revert to looking like a pile of **** against a team that's completely owned us and making the same terrible mistakes that have plagued this regime, I don't see why people shouldn't be back to being pissed.

Kansas City is the most creative offensive team in the league, and they've got a hell of a defense to boot. Let's see if the Texans can hang. Let's see if these losers have learned anything.
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We beat KC last year didn't we?
 
Corrosion said:
You mean Allen , Clark & XSF haven't been bad enough to have OL as the top need ... yet ?!
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No I mean we have two thirds and I already have first going to LT and could now use the other for another position. QB I'm interested in could go later anyway.
 
badboy said:
No I mean we have two thirds and I already have first going to LT and could now use the other for another position. QB I'm interested in could go later anyway.
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I guess the fact that we had multiple #3's slipped my mind .....


With Watson , why do you see QB as such a priority or was this prior to him playing well ??! I guess there is the issue of a backup but I'd prefer a veteran to a rookie unless a high quality prospect slipped down the draft. Hell if they fix the OL I might be inclined to retain Savage ..... assuming he is open to the idea.
 
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