All encompassing Bill O'Brien thread

[Mangler]

I have no idea how this team has gotten to 9-7 in every season under BO'b with a paper mache O-line and no Qb of any significance. That to me says this team has plenty of talent. I agree there needs to be better depth and the fact that the Qb and O-line have not been addressed properly in what seems like forever and areas of talent aren't blessed with any depth behind them says we need another GM and head coach.

They've gone 9-7 for three seasons in a row in spite of O'Brien, not because of him. That defense under Romeo has been outstanding. Switch our defensive players with the Colt's defensive players and I doubt we even go 8-8. So, going 9-7 is a testament to our very talented roster, not O'Brien's super system.

 

[Corrosion]

Rookie jitters .

..... I aint buying "jitters" he just flat out didn't do a good job. Details were missed and no adjustments made. He flat out wasn't prepared.

Sure , he can do better .... but jitters is bullsh!t.

 

[TheMatrix31]

They've gone 9-7 for three seasons in a row in spite of O'Brien, not because of him. That defense under Romeo has been outstanding. Switch our defense with the Colt's defense and I doubt we even go 8-8.

O'Brien prevents this team from going 13-3 or 12-4.

To continually think of "9-7" and "division titles" as if they mean a ******* thing given actually watching this team week in week out, is asinine and ridiculous.

 

[zshawn10]

List of QBs under BOB:

https://twitter.com/getnickwright/status/907389675786174464

 

[TheMatrix31]

List of QBs under BOB:

https://twitter.com/getnickwright/status/907389675786174464

The replies to that tweet are cancer.

 

[Scooter]

He has drafted very well early and late. He's picked up more UDFA's that have done well then most I'd say. Middle rounds have been terrible. And his FA acquisitions have been very up and down and mostly down. JJo may be his best.

I have wanted him gone for years. Nothing personal. I like the guy, solid citizen etc. But I don't think he's been good enough as GM.

I don't like the late round and UDFA argument. Those players are getting attention only because of our inability to bring in and coach up earlier round talent. We don't have any depth because we fail repeatedly at bringing in and coaching middle tier free agents and draft picks - instead leaning on those UDFA's to round us out. Sure those guys have made the team, but only because we've failed at acquiring and making better players.

 

[TheKDog]

His schemes are getting our receivers killed.

Defense knows exactly what's coming.

 

[Texecutioner]

They've gone 9-7 for three seasons in a row in spite of O'Brien, not because of him. That defense under Romeo has been outstanding. Switch our defensive with the Colt's defensive players and I doubt we even go 8-8.

This is pretty much a make believe situation with no substance. If that was the case then the entire team would be different with all different types of strengths. If this team had Mathew Stafford at QB last season and a better Oline, oh they would have been so much better. They didn't though. They had what they had and they did what they did. Your scenario has pretty much zero relevance to reality.

 

[Texecutioner]

O'Brien prevents this team from going 13-3 or 12-4.

To continually think of "9-7" and "division titles" as if they mean a ******* thing given actually watching this team week in week out, is asinine and ridiculous.

If you think any one of those teams was capable of that with the QB's we had, then just go back to the bottle. Every QB we've had had risks written all over them, and we failed to go after several Qb's on teams that we could have gotten through trade. Now they've got zero picks in the first two rounds of next season where they likely have very little chance to improve their Oline. Those are blunders by that cripple of a GM you've always excused.

 

[Texecutioner]

To be honest it's really not all that difficult to be good in the first round.

You're right, you can basically throw a dart at the board of mock drafts and have a high chance at landing a quality starter for several years. Our biggest problem has been QB, and Rick Smith has failed at landing a QB for us to develop for over 11 years now. Why does anyone think he'll somehow do it at this point? We're now throwing Watson (A very raw player) into the starting role with a horrible Oline and very little opportunity to fix the situation next year without our first two draft picks. Watson is fucked.

 

[zshawn10]

O’Brien’s offenses haven’t had 9 rush TDs in a season the last 2 years.

Texans only had 2 seasons from 2002-2013 w/ less than 9 rush TDs

— Jayson Braddock (@JaysonBraddock) September 14, 2017


Bill O’Brien’s Texans Offense (Total Points for Seaon) by year:

2014 – 372
2015 – 339
2016 – 279

— Jayson Braddock (@JaysonBraddock) September 14, 2017


Texans Offense (Total Points for Season) by years:

2007 – 379
2008 – 366
2009 – 388
2010 – 390
2011 – 381
2012 – 416
2013 – 276

— Jayson Braddock (@JaysonBraddock) September 14, 2017

 

[76Texan]

It's not good mojo to talk about firing the HC even before the game starts.





Let's at least wait until Kickoff.

 

[Thorn]

It's not good mojo to talk about firing the HC even before the game starts.





Let's at least wait until Kickoff.

Then what do we do the rest of today?

 

[76Texan]

Then what do we do the rest of today?

 

[TexansBull]

O’Brien’s offenses haven’t had 9 rush TDs in a season the last 2 years.

Texans only had 2 seasons from 2002-2013 w/ less than 9 rush TDs

— Jayson Braddock (@JaysonBraddock) September 14, 2017


Bill O’Brien’s Texans Offense (Total Points for Seaon) by year:

2014 – 372
2015 – 339
2016 – 279

— Jayson Braddock (@JaysonBraddock) September 14, 2017


Texans Offense (Total Points for Season) by years:

2007 – 379
2008 – 366
2009 – 388
2010 – 390
2011 – 381
2012 – 416
2013 – 276

— Jayson Braddock (@JaysonBraddock) September 14, 2017

Damn the AFC South has been WEAK!

 

[TexansBull]

It's not good mojo to talk about firing the HC even before the game starts.





Let's at least wait until Kickoff.

What if it means it will get your GM fired too?

 

[76Texan]

What if it means it will get your GM fired too?

Hmmm.
Good question.

Ok, let's go for it.

 

[76Texan]

I guess O' Brien is back in good standing?

Or should we wait until after the Chiefs game?

 

[amazing80]

Watson has bought him some time.

Smith has got to go still

 

[infantrycak]

I guess O' Brien is back in good standing?

Or should we wait until after the Chiefs game?

It's 2 well coached overall (glaring errors in NE) games for OB after 3 years of MIA and QB incompetence.

 

[banned1976]

I guess O' Brien is back in good standing?

Or should we wait until after the Chiefs game?

I think he's on a week to week leash. So far I've liked what he's done with the offense under Watson's command.

 

[TheMatrix31]

I guess O' Brien is back in good standing?

Absofuckinlutely not.

 

[76Texan]

I think he's on a week to week leash. So far I've liked what he's done with the offense under Watson's command.

I hope this pulls him out of the shell.
He was trying to control his QB / Offense too much, he forgot to let the players have some fun.

 

[76Texan]

Absofuckinlutely not.

Undestood.
But I really hope he keeps improving as a HC.
I sure hate to go on another search.

 

[TheMatrix31]

Undestood.
But I really hope he keeps improving as a HC.
I sure hate to go on another search.

Of course. If he actually becomes a good coach and what he was sold as and is heralded as, then of course keep him.

 

[Thorn]

We win, I like him. We lose, I don't like him. I try and keep things simple.

 

[Malloy]

We win, I like him. We lose, I don't like him. I try and keep things simple.

And in case of a draw?

 

[infantrycak]

Undestood.
But I really hope he keeps improving as a HC.
I sure hate to go on another search.

Hope so too.

But...OB has a track record of getting 'off scheme' when unplanned QBs start. He's called different games for Keenum, Yates, Weeden...all winning games. Then he goes back to stupid dedication to 'the scheme.' Really hope that doesn't happen this time.

 

[Thorn]

And in case of a draw?

Get more stoned, or drunk, whichever I'm working on that day.

 

[Malloy]

Get more stoned, or drunk, whichever I'm working on that day.

Sounds like a plan!

 

[thunderkyss]

I think someone other than Billy was calling plays.


Had to be.

 

[Texansphan]

I think someone other than Billy was calling plays.


Had to be.

I think his playbook is finally opening up now he has a QB he feels can execute the throws required.

 

[Thorn]

Don't yall worry, the soap is still good for cleaning cars, cats and crow.

 

[DocBar]

I think his playbook is finally opening up now he has a QB he feels can execute the throws required.

I think Watson's athleticism and ability to extend plays are what's making OB look like an offensive guru. If OB can get this out of Watson, just imagine what Kubiak could get out of him. Kubiak would basically have a young Elway at his disposal.

 

[infantrycak]

I think his playbook is finally opening up now he has a QB he feels can execute the throws required.

Yeah...this stuff is not some well hidden squirrel acorn in the playbook. He's pulling plays from different playbooks. And that's a good thing.

 

[Texansphan]

I think Watson's athleticism and ability to extend plays are what's making OB look like an offensive guru. If OB can get this out of Watson, just imagine what Kubiak could get out of him. Kubiak would basically have a young Elway at his disposal.

Conjecture.

 

[infantrycak]

Conjecture.

Not really. Watson is so up Kubiak's wheelhouse it isn't funny. Kind of has a track record too. Meanwhile OB is watching tape to pull plays from Kubiak.

We ran more boots today than in the last 3 years. Don't go 'athletic QB' 'cuz Kubiak made boots work with Schaub and no running game. Lead the league made it work. It's not conjecture to expect more from a non-statue.

 

[DocBar]

Conjecture.

And your point is? Are you going to argue that OB has had an epiphany and suddenly learned how to run an offense after three seasons of irrefutable proof that he doesn't know how? Are you going to further argue that OB is a better offensive mind than Kubiak? OB is an imposter of an offensive mind in the NFL.

 

[Speedy]

Of course. If he actually becomes a good coach and what he was sold as and is heralded as, then of course keep him.

Is him becoming a good coach because he FINALLY gets QB right? Funny how this "complicated" offense looks like a real NFL offense all of a sudden with some talent in the driver's seat.

 

[amazing80]

If OB continues to develop Watson and continues to call plays to his strength, I am all for keeping him. Having a great HC-QB relationship is huge, but OB must continue to improve his scheme and be willing to adapt.

 

[Pantherstang84]

Not really. Watson is so up Kubiak's wheelhouse it isn't funny. Kind of has a track record too. Meanwhile OB is watching tape to pull plays from Kubiak.

We ran more boots today than in the last 3 years. Don't go 'athletic QB' 'cuz Kubiak made boots work with Schaub and no running game. Lead the league made it work. It's not conjecture to expect more from a non-statue.

Have to agree here. Kubiak coaching Watson would be unfair to the rest of the league. Kubiak had his faults but I don't think anyone with any credibility would accuse him of not being a offense genius. Fat Albert Haynesworth ruined Schaub's foot and sealed Kube's fate.

 

[JB]

If OB continues to develop Watson and continues to call plays to his strength, I am all for keeping him. Having a great HC-QB relationship is huge, but OB must continue to improve his scheme and be willing to adapt.

Perhaps it's that he's finally got a QB that can handle a match up offense that changes from week to week. It's certainly looked that way the last couple of weeks

 

[Pantherstang84]

Not really. Watson is so up Kubiak's wheelhouse it isn't funny. Kind of has a track record too. Meanwhile OB is watching tape to pull plays from Kubiak.

We ran more boots today than in the last 3 years. Don't go 'athletic QB' 'cuz Kubiak made boots work with Schaub and no running game. Lead the league made it work. It's not conjecture to expect more from a non-statue.

Have to agree here. Kubiak coaching Watson would be unfair to the rest of the league. Kubiak had his faults but I don't think anyone with any credibility would accuse him of not being a offense genius. Fat Albert Haynesworth ruined Schaub's foot and sealed Kube's fate.

 

[JB]

Have to agree here. Kubiak coaching Watson would be unfair to the rest of the league. Kubiak had his faults but I don't think anyone with any credibility would accuse him of not being a offense genius. Fat Albert Haynesworth ruined Schaub's foot and sealed Kube's fate.

Only because their was no immediate plan for post-Schaub. I think Kubiak thought he
probably had a couple more years to either get Yates ready or draft his replacement. Schaub fell totally apart really fast. Even knowing he would decline to it was shocking the way he collapsed

 

[Pantherstang84]

/Only because their was no immediate plan for post-Schaub. I think Kubiak probably had a couple more years to either get Yates ready or draft his replacement. Schaub fell totally apart really fast. Even knowing he would decline to it was shocking the way he collapsed

Yup. Totally agree. I think Kubes could have finished the season and find Schaub's. replacement if his health hadn't started to fail him. I think McNair's firing of Kubiak had more to do with his mini strokes than the team's performance. Just my opinion.

 

[EllisUnit]

I'll give it to OB he finally played to a players strengths, the option, the QB keeper, the reverse option. And Watson can play, never have I been so impressed by a rookie QB.

 

[badboy]

Wait until Obrien opens the next ten percent of his complicated play book...

 

[steelbtexan]

How is it when BOB finally opens up the offense because he knew if he didn't learn to trust his rookie QB he would be fired and puts up the most points in franchise history, he still gets compared to Kubiak.

I've come to the conclusion that no matter what BOB does with this team, there's a certain portion of Aggie fans on here that will hate BOB for only one reason. (He isn't Gary Kubiak)

 

[DBCooper]

Best play design I've seen from Obrien the entire time he's been here.

The misdirection was just awesome.

I'm hoping he keeps this up.

 

[badboy]

How is it when BOB finally opens up the offense because he knew if he didn't learn to trust his rookie QB he would be fired and puts up the most points in franchise history, he still gets compared to Kubiak.

I've come to the conclusion that no matter what BOB does with this team, there's a certain portion of Aggie fans on here that will hate BOB for only one reason. (He isn't Gary Kubiak)

I'd be okay with O'Brien HC and a Kubiak type OC at least until after next game..lol