We were a QB away from beating the Patriots & getting past the divisional round. Today I saw a guy who could very well be that QB.
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What moves would you make to right this mess?
- Thread starter mussop
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We were a QB away from beating the Patriots & getting past the divisional round. Today I saw a guy who could very well be that QB.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
I really don't get alot of posters on this forum. We clamor and clamor for a franchise QB. We continuously clamor for that 1st round QB. We boo when we pass on VY. We boo when we pass on Bortles. We boo when we pass on Manziel. The FO finally gets aggressive and gets that QB we've all been asking for. Sure, it costs alot... but you have to give up alot to get alot.
Watson, in only his 2nd start ever, went toe to toe against the GOAT at HIS house... but but but we still complain.
I don't know how to answer the question "what moves would you make to right his mess?" Because honestly, I don't see this "mess" you speak of.
Watson, in only his 2nd start ever, went toe to toe against the GOAT at HIS house... but but but we still complain.
I don't know how to answer the question "what moves would you make to right his mess?" Because honestly, I don't see this "mess" you speak of.
Texansfan69
Noob
Fire the DB coach, way to many break down during the game.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
It has nothing to do with coaching. Our secondary players suck. We haven't drafted a s in god knows when even though we need one every year. Jackson is still the same trash player he's always been. Can't cover and never turns for the ball and constantly holds because he isn't fast enough. Joseph is ok but getting older now. Johnson is always injured and it's stunting his growth as a player. The Achilles heal of this defense and team is the secondary and has been for a few years.
I think we should give him some time. Two of his main players back there have only been with the team for three weeks or less.
PapaL
Loose Screw
Drafted a safety in 2017, 2016, and 2013. We've drafted DB's 5 years in a row now. If your argument is that we're not drafting the right guy then ok I'll agree with that but we have drafted for that. Every position will not have a 1st rounder starting. Our ferocious front 7 is suppose to make any DB look good but they haven't been rushing the passer very well and that's where we've invested most. Lots of blame to go around. Not to mention injuries.
Texansfan69
Noob
I understand that, after they blow a few more games then I guess it will be ok to make a change. I know they practice and get a play book or at least on the side line (# whatever) is your guy, don't lose him. So it's either bad planning, bad plays(same thing) or just bad talent on the sideline or in the Defensive backfield. If your a professional give a professional effort. I will say not the whole game was that way and not every DB was that way. JMHO
In fairness, the OP was after the Jags game. And at that point the situation was a mess. O'Brien' s solution to fix the mess - start Watson has worked so far.
Now it's about getting healthy, fixing the secondary and hope Brown comes back soon.
If Corey Moore had caught that INT, we win the game. If he knocks Cooks out of bounds, we're a lot closer to winning.
They gave up a lot of yards to Tom Brady. I think it would be prudent to give them some time, let Vrabel figure out his best combinations for every situation & see how it goes.
You don't see the mess at OL or WR? Maybe read the whole post next time.
Flyingfish
Waterboy
DT -
You don't see the ramifications of inadequate scouting and draft day selections (which lead to the mess at OL and WR)? I will agree the blind hog has rooted up a some acorns, but he has missed on plenty and let others slip away.
You don't see the ramifications of inadequate scouting and draft day selections (which lead to the mess at OL and WR)? I will agree the blind hog has rooted up a some acorns, but he has missed on plenty and let others slip away.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Someone has missed. Who likes X? Who liked Allen over Mancz or Martin? Who decided Brooks and Jones could easily be replaced? Who decided to take a bunch of ZBS guys and have them power block? We can guess...
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
We had chances at guys like Phillip Rivers 3 years ago when our team was set for a SB run, and Rick Smith did squat. We likely could have gotten Garrapallo two years ago before he played last season and had his value shoot way up. I was clamoring for that, and felt like he was the best option out there. I didn't like the move for Osweiller at first at all, but I liked the aggressiveness in how we got him. It didn't work out. Hopefully this Watson thing finally does.
I like to think so myself. But truth is Rivers was never on the block. He was unhappy about the move, but the Chargers never put him out there or entertained the notion.
I live is SD and you're right, Rivers didn't want to go to LA but SD never put him on the block
Texansballer74
The Marine
He didn't do squat because the head coach didn't want another QB. They were looking at other needs.
Again it is not one person making these draft/FA decisions. I really don't know why you great football minds continue to ignore the real facts.
How come RS didn't do squat at the QB position for the 6 yrs prior to BOB being HC? Show me the QB's he drafted.
Texansballer74
The Marine
If you don't know by now then there is no need to tell you.
Google is a powerful tool.
I know, I just wanted you to use google and maybe share the results with us. Apparently you know too and don't want to face the facts.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
The facts are in 6 years they acquired 3 rookie QBs and 4 young former starting QBs. It didn't work out.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Infantrycak he knows that. Steelbtexan just hating on Smith as usual.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Most sensible comment in the entire thread right there. Every year it seems to start out a little sketchy on defense and every year Wade Phillips, or Romeo Crennel, or now Mike Vrabel (w/Romeo watching over his shoulder I'm sure) gets it all sorted out and we have a pretty darn good defense by the time the end of the season gets here. That's been like 5 years running it always seems to happen that way. Even when we're looking good statistically early on we're bitching because we'll be highly ranked in yards but giving up points at the wrong time and losing a game or two we should have been able to win.
This should not be surprising us with Watt coming back around (and he is) and Clowney adjusting to spending actual time on the field with Watt. Cushing gone for cheating is a change (addition through subtraction I think but I digress), Bouye not coming back is a change. Demps not coming back is a change.... "give them some time".
Then on offense yes, despite what Dream_Team says there is indeed a mess there at the OL but those things have a way of getting better (if not getting completely fixed) with time. Rookie QB is learning as he goes. Again, more time. If we can get through the first half of the season with a .500 record and are trending in the right direction we'll be happy by the end of the season barring injury. It just takes time.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Are you struggling from amnesia, because the HC has wanted new QB's every season. We've brought in new potential starters every single year that OB was here. There is nothing even remotely factual about what you just wrote.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Talking about Kubiak era.
Perki-Perk
DieHard Texan!
We had Schaub who for 3 or 4 years was arguably a top 10 QB that year in the league. Of course everyone remembers the 2-14 season when he went all pick 6 on us, but he was a darn good QB for a nice little stretch. Don't rewrite history like Schaub needed an immediate replacement prior to 2013....
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
Even when Matt Schaub was at his best, led the league in passing yardage one year and won the Pro Bowl MVP (he was well respected around the league), I never felt confident that he could win any big games or lead us to a Super Bowl.
Schaub typically under-performed and came up small during the really big games. Especially road games against the best teams. it never felt like we'd ever get over the hump with him at quarterback. With Deshaun Watson aka today's Michael Jordan, I actually have high hopes that he can lead us to a Super Bowl win or two during his career.
Schaub typically under-performed and came up small during the really big games. Especially road games against the best teams. it never felt like we'd ever get over the hump with him at quarterback. With Deshaun Watson aka today's Michael Jordan, I actually have high hopes that he can lead us to a Super Bowl win or two during his career.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Are you even following the comments. Steelbtexan said before O'Brien.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Your quote the HC, so that would refer to OB. If you were referring to Kubiak, then I would agree if that's what you meant. My mistake if so.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
People need to stop saying, "If Corey Moore intercepts that pass we'd have won the game" because he has 0 career interceptions for a reason! He's not that good! We all knew Tom Brady was going to drive the Pats down the field for a game-winning Touchdown.
We lost that game because of Bill O'Brien's idiotic and piss poor play-calling late in the game on 3rd and 1, and ultimately kicking a field goal to go up 5 points on 4th and 1 (I'd have gone for it!).
We played too damn conservative against the defending Super Bowl champs on the road when we could have beaten their ass if our head coach had shown a little bit of courage and guts! Shame on O'Brien for being so passive and conservative (may as well bend over big boy) against his former boss and his favorite NFL team growing up.
We lost that game because of Bill O'Brien's idiotic and piss poor play-calling late in the game on 3rd and 1, and ultimately kicking a field goal to go up 5 points on 4th and 1 (I'd have gone for it!).
We played too damn conservative against the defending Super Bowl champs on the road when we could have beaten their ass if our head coach had shown a little bit of courage and guts! Shame on O'Brien for being so passive and conservative (may as well bend over big boy) against his former boss and his favorite NFL team growing up.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Go back and read , you would see I we were talking about Kubiak's era.
You know the topic changes quite often around these parts. Lol
Texansballer74
The Marine
You really don't think we would've won this game if he comes down with that interception
Hervoyel
BUENO!
I think he's suggesting that there's something like a zero percent chance that Moore comes down with any interception.
On the other hand it never comes to that if Bill O'Brien would figure out that Lamar Miller couldn't get a yard up the middle behind this line if he was driving a Ford F350 and that calling that play was literally Bill's go-to ultimate ****-move that he kills us with on a regular basis.
When you absolutely, positively need 1 yard Lamar Miller is good for no-gain when you run to the inside.
There's literally no one on earth who doesn't know that other than Bill O'Brien. I'm pretty sure even Lamar understands he's not gonna make that yard but he got paid and he's gotta put out or at least try to.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
Of course we'd have won if he completes the interception. But the point I'm making is he has 0 career interceptions in his NFL career. I would need to see him do it before I have confidence in him making big plays like that.
So far I've seen him give up a lot of big plays in the secondary. He's been more disappointing than positive. When there's a big play to be made with a chance to win the game, I'll always presume that Corey Moore will not make it.
Hopefully I clarified for you what I meant.
It's like if I said before our Week 1 game versus the Jaguars, "If only Tom Savage can throw some Touchdown passes" we may have a good chance to win. Well, Savage has thrown 0 career regular-season TD passes and this is his fourth year in the pros. I'd need to see him do it before I feel comfortable making statements like that. And now Savage is benched and I doubt he'll ever throw a career Touchdown pass anytime soon.
That old saying, I'll believe it when I see it. The NFL is a "show me" league.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Where did I say one negative word about Schaub? I answered another poster's question about QBs brought in from 2008-13.
You come up with some of the craziest s***. Lol!
I was watching Tennessee highlights... makes me absolutely sick that they have two of the biggest baddest back a in the league, yet are so creative in getting them on the edges & in space.
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IMHO, you can thank the CBA for the poor starts for defenses. The lack of tackling, etc. in the offseason/preseason is the main culprit. I don't think it has a ton to do with a particular DC righting the ship as much as players essentially playing themselves into game shape as far as tackling goes.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Might be right. Maybe that's why no matter who our DC is the ship gets righted in a few weeks. Sounds reasonable to me.
Tell me more about the Alex Brink/T.J. Yates era's.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
And that's why I answered because I knew he'd leave out Keenum and the vets.
I was talking about drafted QB's.
Sorry for the confusion.
No hate, just pointing out track record.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Oh I spotted how you were trying to create a false image of no effort. That's why I filled in the picture.
I said nothing about hate.
I am more confident about the Texans this week than I was before this week.
Watson COULD be the QB.
Foreman could be the down 1 and 2 back.
Miller could be a decent down 3 back.
BUT....
The OL line is horrendous and the Def backfield is even worse.
HOW did the Texan brass not see how bad our OL and Def backs were?
Maybe the defensive scheme calling can cover a bit for our def backs and Watson's mobility can compensate for the lack of pass protection, butt, probably not to the point of making it past teams like NE in the playoffs.
How much are season tickets now????? Just wondering?
Watson COULD be the QB.
Foreman could be the down 1 and 2 back.
Miller could be a decent down 3 back.
BUT....
The OL line is horrendous and the Def backfield is even worse.
HOW did the Texan brass not see how bad our OL and Def backs were?
Maybe the defensive scheme calling can cover a bit for our def backs and Watson's mobility can compensate for the lack of pass protection, butt, probably not to the point of making it past teams like NE in the playoffs.
How much are season tickets now????? Just wondering?
One more thought....
A good running game without decent pass protection is less valuable since unless a 15+yd pass is a possibility, the LBs can still stay tight to stop the run and be there for shorter passes and the CBs can stay inside our WRs shorts without fear of them having time to do a double move. A good running game without threat of a long pass is less effective... IMO.
A good running game without decent pass protection is less valuable since unless a 15+yd pass is a possibility, the LBs can still stay tight to stop the run and be there for shorter passes and the CBs can stay inside our WRs shorts without fear of them having time to do a double move. A good running game without threat of a long pass is less effective... IMO.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Cause you are a hater mashed tater and you know you like it. You shouldn't fight it. Swallow a little koolade Steel and link arms because after Titans leave Houston someone will come up with song to compare with "we are the world".
He just doesn't know your sunshiny self
adama51
Walk-on
just wanted to say I love your profile pic