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Save us Savage!!!!!!!

Texas Jake said:
I made a comment during preseason that whoever BOB starts, whether it is Savage or Watson, he needs to commit to them and stay with him. This pulling the starter after two quarters is ridiculous. It wasn't Savage's performance that let the team down. It was the o-line, the receivers, and most of all the coaching staff and front office. Tom is just the scape goat for their lack of foresight. How can you go into a season with this sorry excuse for an o-line? They have had no sense of urgency to fix this crap for the last several years and it has been an obvious problem. Instead of pulling the QB, they should have made adjustments on offense to beat the blitz and force the defense to back off. I thought Bill learned from the Hoyer fiasco and had admitted it was a mistake to pull him in that first game of 2015. He was so penitent after realizing his blunder that he refused to replace Hoyer in the KC play-off game even while Hoyer is massively imploding right in front of him. What happened, now. I guess BOB has amnesia because now he is saying he doesn't remember admitting pulling Hoyer in game 1 was a mistake.

I hate going through another regime change, but I am at the point, like most of you are already, to see a major organizational shake-up. But if BOB goes, so should/must Rick. It has got to be a clean sweep. I believe if this season goes south, BOB will be looking for a job. With the sorry state of the o-line, which points back to Rick's failure and is the core problem for this team, maybe McNair finally cuts ties with Ricky - we can only hope.
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Texas Jake well said, you are spot on.
 
Uncle Rico said:
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...no-way-to-justify-the-benching-of-tom-savage/

Has this been posted yet? Wow La Canfora gives it to O'Brien and I have to agree with him.
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Pretty much was has been echoed on the board.

Savage didn't hold onto the ball too long and was accurate hitting receivers in hands. Put into a bad situation by poor decision making by OB and Smith.

Watson played liked a rookie and should have been given a little more time to develop, probably given the starting job after the bye or later when he was ready. Put into a bad situation by poor decision making by OB and Smith.

Good article and glad to see Rick Smith get a name drop a couple of times.
 
Anyone else think that the second half call of switching QB's might have come from McNair via RS? One whole half of football playing behind one of the worst OL's assembled determined Savage's final season with the Texans? Wow! Just wow! Look forward to seeing where Savage lands after this...maybe he'll get lucky and the Patriots would pick him up if RS just releases him and re-signs Weeden.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Anyone else think that the second half call of switching QB's might have come from McNair via RS? One whole half of football playing behind one of the worst OL's assembled determined Savage's final season with the Texans? Wow! Just wow! Look forward to seeing where Savage lands after this...maybe he'll get lucky and the Patriots would pick him up if RS just releases him and re-signs Weeden.
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The Patriots already have their guy by the name Jimmy G.

No they did not instruct him to pull your boy Savage. Let's keep the blame on the head coach. Just face it, dude doesn't know how to coach the offense and he's not the QB whisperer/ guru we thought he was.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Anyone else think that the second half call of switching QB's might have come from McNair via RS? One whole half of football playing behind one of the worst OL's assembled determined Savage's final season with the Texans? Wow! Just wow! Look forward to seeing where Savage lands after this...maybe he'll get lucky and the Patriots would pick him up if RS just releases him and re-signs Weeden.
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If I were Savage, after this game, I would definitely cross resigning with this team off my list of things to do.

Watching the way he stood in the pocket, took hits, and continued to deliver the ball, I think the he demonstrated he is a tough player. It certainly diminishes that "fragile/injury prone" label.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Texans QB Tom Savage's agent sounds off on benching
By Greg Rajan

Updated 6:11 pm, Wednesday, September 13, 2017
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I mentioned before, I also don't understand the benching issue. If it were solely a protection issue, I'd think they'd have exhausted all max protect options, which I don't recall seeing.

As was posted earlier, concerning us being able to tell what's actually going on, this may be a situation where O'Brien simple wasn't satisfied with the decisions Tom was making. The QB does have a lot of control & responsibilities at the line & a lot of the way things play out may be due to poor calls, poor recognition, & poor adjustments made before the snap.

I'm not saying this is the case. We definitely didn't see anything improve in those areas after half time, at least I don't think so (I don't have the ability to rewatch the games just yet).

But benching Savage just didn't make sense to me.
 
thunderkyss said:
I mentioned before, I also don't understand the benching issue. If it were solely a protection issue, I'd think they'd have exhausted all max protect options, which I don't recall seeing.

As was posted earlier, concerning us being able to tell what's actually going on, this may be a situation where O'Brien simple wasn't satisfied with the decisions Tom was making. The QB does have a lot of control & responsibilities at the line & a lot of the way things play out may be due to poor calls, poor recognition, & poor adjustments made before the snap.

I'm not saying this is the case. We definitely didn't see anything improve in those areas after half time, at least I don't think so (I don't have the ability to rewatch the games just yet).

But benching Savage just didn't make sense to me.
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I get that may be possible (Not satisfied with the decisions Savage was making) but to swap him out for a guy he has to know simply doesn't even understand all of the possible options seems sketchy. I think it came across as a "**** it, let Watson play" move to me. I'm sure he's under some degree of pressure to play the new guy. McNair likes his face-of-the-franchise rookie QB's and he's too stupid to understand that throwing them out there can be bad for their development.

That's how I explain Carr, his hard-on to see what Keenum could do so soon, and now Watson's ascendancy in the face of an entire preseason preparing Savage to start. I think McNair is probably the ultimate "keep it behind the scenes" interfering owner who probably pushes passive/aggressively through Rick who is little more than his hand puppet mouthpiece.

We were all so happy that Bob McNair wasn't going to be Bud Adams that nobody worried about his aspirations to be an even stupider, less extroverted version of Jerry Jones.
 
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thunderkyss said:
I mentioned before, I also don't understand the benching issue. If it were solely a protection issue, I'd think they'd have exhausted all max protect options, which I don't recall seeing.

As was posted earlier, concerning us being able to tell what's actually going on, this may be a situation where O'Brien simple wasn't satisfied with the decisions Tom was making. The QB does have a lot of control & responsibilities at the line & a lot of the way things play out may be due to poor calls, poor recognition, & poor adjustments made before the snap.

I'm not saying this is the case. We definitely didn't see anything improve in those areas after half time, at least I don't think so (I don't have the ability to rewatch the games just yet).

But benching Savage just didn't make sense to me.
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What does this move say to any QB that plays for OB? It tells them they are on a very short leash and one mistake (or possibly even less) can get them pulled. Tell me how this is conducive to a QB having any kind of confidence. How can he have any chance when he is constantly looking over his shoulder at who will replace him and never knowing when it will happen.
 
thunderkyss said:
I mentioned before, I also don't understand the benching issue. If it were solely a protection issue, I'd think they'd have exhausted all max protect options, which I don't recall seeing.

As was posted earlier, concerning us being able to tell what's actually going on, this may be a situation where O'Brien simple wasn't satisfied with the decisions Tom was making. The QB does have a lot of control & responsibilities at the line & a lot of the way things play out may be due to poor calls, poor recognition, & poor adjustments made before the snap.

I'm not saying this is the case. We definitely didn't see anything improve in those areas after half time, at least I don't think so (I don't have the ability to rewatch the games just yet).

But benching Savage just didn't make sense to me.
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Nah, the line was simply whipped.
And O' Brien didn't start calling screens and such to counter the Jags' agression.

I had to scratch my head.
At one point, they replaced Lamm with Clark, and the guy got beat repeatedly like a worn out drum.
 
Texas Jake said:
Which do you prefer, paper or paper mache?
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OptimisticTexan said:
Anyone else think that the second half call of switching QB's might have come from McNair via RS? One whole half of football playing behind one of the worst OL's assembled determined Savage's final season with the Texans? Wow! Just wow! Look forward to seeing where Savage lands after this...maybe he'll get lucky and the Patriots would pick him up if RS just releases him and re-signs Weeden.
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If this did come down from the FO, then that makes me believe O'Brien is even less worthy of being a HC. No way any HC worth his salt would not be able to talk a FO down from doing something that's going to make him look so incompetent.
 
Obrien has shown a quick hook before, but it wouldn't be far fetched to think the call to put Watson in came from upstairs. It really doesn't matter because whomever made the decision no one will ever admit it was them who made the decision.
 
Texas Jake said:
What does this move say to any QB that plays for OB? It tells them they are on a very short leash and one mistake (or possibly even less) can get them pulled. Tell me how this is conducive to a QB having any kind of confidence. How can he have any chance when he is constantly looking over his shoulder at who will replace him and never knowing when it will happen.
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Really makes you wonder how Andy Dalton has survived 8 quarters of football in Cincy this season without visiting the bench.:shades:
 
Lucky said:
Dalton has a $96 million contract. Dalton's backup is not a 1st round pick.
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Texans realized their 72M dollar mistake and got out of it...albeit, at a tremendous cost. Cincy might have to go down the same path at some point or Coach can share notes with O'Brien in the unemployment line.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Texans realized their 72M dollar mistake and got out of it...albeit, at a tremendous cost. Cincy might have to go down the same path at some point or Coach can share notes with O'Brien in the unemployment line.
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I'm certain this is a make or break season for Dalton. His dead money is only about $2.5 million in 2018. I don't think they believe in McCarron, so put the Bengals on the list of teams looking at QB in the 2018 draft.
 
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...texans-have-rebuffed-suitors-in-the-past/amp/

I think they have lost their opportuniy to trade Savage. At this point, I don't see them making a trade during the season with a rookie starting who may get injured behind this o-line and I don' t see Tom resigning with them. I think there are QB desperate teams who will give him a shot starting and l believe he knows he won't get that shot here.
 
Lucky said:
I'm certain this is a make or break season for Dalton. His dead money is only about $2.5 million in 2018. I don't think they believe in McCarron, so put the Bengals on the list of teams looking at QB in the 2018 draft.
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I think Dalton will be snatched up pretty quickly. Especially if Kizer falls off in Cleveland. Dude can play, he's proven that. Most team's will attribute his decline as something related to the departure of Hugh Jackson & believe they can fix it.

If it turns out to be medically related, they won't realize it for years.
 
thunderkyss said:
I think Dalton will be snatched up pretty quickly. Especially if Kizer falls off in Cleveland. Dude can play, he's proven that. Most team's will attribute his decline as something related to the departure of Hugh Jackson & believe they can fix it.

If it turns out to be medically related, they won't realize it for years.
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I can see Washington getting tired of the contract games with Cousins and signing Dalton to a favorable contract with the opportunity to be reunited with Jay Gruden.
 
texanhead08 said:
Obrien has shown a quick hook before, but it wouldn't be far fetched to think the call to put Watson in came from upstairs. It really doesn't matter because whomever made the decision no one will ever admit it was them who made the decision.
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A new record?
 
Reality hat is on!!! RS, McNair and O'Brien have convinced themselves that Watson gives the team the best chance at winning. Savage will not see the field again as the Texans QB1. Even if Watson were to get injured and Savage handles the opportunity...he's not going to be in the plans to start, he would go back to being QB2 the moment Watson is healthy enough to return. Anyhow, Savage is going to walk next season and find a team who will give him a legitimate chance at starting. So, with this reality in mind....

The Texans need to trade Savage this season while he could possibly return them something versus nothing. Weeden is readily available to carry the QB2 torch for the Texans for the rest of 2017. Remember, the Texans are missing some picks in 2018 and could use as many as possible to try and make up for RS's massive blunder. I think there could be a very real chance that Savage could return a pick as good as a RD3 or at worse a RD5 b/c most teams would realize they would be hard pressed to get a potential QB in RD3 - RD5 that would be ready to play or compete right away.

Trading DB and Savage now could help undo RS's $crew-ups from last season.
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
Reality hat is own!!! RS, McNair and O'Brien have convinced themselves that Watson gives the team the best chance at winning. Savage will not see the field again as the Texans QB1. Even if Watson were to get injured and Savage handles the opportunity...he's not going to be in the plans to start, he would go back to being QB2 the moment Watson is healthy enough to return. Anyhow, Savage is going to walk next season and find a team who will give him a legitimate chance at starting. So, with this reality in mind....

The Texans need to trade Savage this season while he could possibly return them something versus nothing. Weeden is readily available to carry the QB2 torch for the Texans for the rest of 2017. Remember, the Texans are missing some picks in 2018 and could use as many as possible to try and make up for RS's massive blunder. I think there could be a very real chance that Savage could return a pick as good as a RD3 or at worse a RD5 b/c most teams would realize they would be hard pressed to get a potential QB in RD3 - RD5 that would be ready to play or compete right away.

Trading DB and Savage now could help undo RS's $crew-ups from last season.
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I have wanted Savage to succeed as much as the next guy, but what teams out there are going to look at his four years here in Houston and say that this is a guy they want to have competing for QB1 on their team? What stats/accomplishments will they base their assessment on? Will teams have an interest in him as a backup? Sure. But as a starter? That they are willing to give up any picks for, much less something above the 6th or 7th round? I'm just not seeing it. IMHO.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Reality hat is own!!!

The Texans need to trade Savage this season while he could possibly return them something versus nothing.

I think there could be a very real chance that Savage could return a pick as good as a RD3 or at worse a RD5 b/c most teams would realize they would be hard pressed to get a potential QB in RD3 - RD5 that would be ready to play or compete right away.

Trading DB and Savage now could help undo RS's $crew-ups from last season.
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Reality left a long time ago if you think you'll get a third for Tom Savage. Ain't nobody interested in Tom Savage. Teams are more enamored with that new guy they could get in the third.

Now... package Tom with DB76 maybe we're realistically in the 2nd/3rd round range... maybe.
 
sandman said:
I have wanted Savage to succeed as much as the next guy, but what teams out there are going to look at his four years here in Houston and say that this is a guy they want to have competing for QB1 on their team? What stats/accomplishments will they base their assessment on? Will teams have an interest in him as a backup? Sure. But as a starter? That they are willing to give up any picks for, much less something above the 6th or 7th round? I'm just not seeing it. IMHO.
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There will be some team out there that will look at Savage's lack of development as a blunder by the Texans organization. Texans have had interest in Savage from other teams in the past....what was that interest based on? I think any team with interest may look at the OL as one of the culprits in his 31 snap opportunity this year. If Savage isn't going to start then trade him for what they can get in return...Weeden is still out there.
 
Tom Savage is a free agent after this season.
If we trade him before the deadline next month...
What could we possibly get? A 6th round pick maybe?
He cost us a 4th. We'd be selling low on our initial investment.
 
sandman said:
I have wanted Savage to succeed as much as the next guy, but what teams out there are going to look at his four years here in Houston and say that this is a guy they want to have competing for QB1 on their team? What stats/accomplishments will they base their assessment on? Will teams have an interest in him as a backup? Sure. But as a starter? That they are willing to give up any picks for, much less something above the 6th or 7th round? I'm just not seeing it. IMHO.
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As a backup quarterback he has some value.
A lot of injuries. Teams need quality backups.
I just don't see him being worth much in a trade.
Doubt a team will offer us anymore than a 6th or 7th round pick.
 
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