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Save us Savage!!!!!!!
- Thread starter PockyAF
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I feel bad that O'Brien benched him as soon as he did. Feeds right into my theory that the Texans (Billy, Ricky, & Bob) have no confidence in him whatsoever.
I feel bad he lost his job because the five speedbumps in front of him couldnt do theirs.
I feel bad he's been on this team with these offensive coaches who could not help him prepare for this job after three years.
But even if the OL were perfect, his WRs couldn't get open & the coaches have no clue how to get the ball to playmakers (RBs) in space.
Bottom line... they're not alone over on Kirby
But it's only game 1
I keep the (probably futile) hope alive
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
This must-read detailed film study demonstrates that Savage is not the statue he is made out to be and he did not hold on to the ball too long...........far from it. And his accuracy was excellent.......he threw 13 pass attempts and only 1 didn't hit his WRs in both hands. Goes along with what Aaron Wilson also wrote:
Braddock's Film Study on Savage in Game 1
Braddock's Film Study on Savage in Game 1
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
How does your second sentence only apply to Watson and not Savage. And it's already been shown that Savage even under pressure was sti
I mean to me it's not fair that Savage only shot is half a game in which he was sacked 6 times, especially since it has been proven it was not because of holding the ball to long. OB needs to give the reins back to Savage IMO.
I think Bill O'Brien said the move to go with Watson was more about being able to protect Tom than anything Tom did/didn't do.
As much as I have said Savage is not the one, the main reason is because of mobility/lack of protection, poor coaching, and weak receivers. Of course anybody and especially the Texans coaches and brain trust should have been able to see that before it happened. Of course this brain trust can't see things unless it actually SLAPS them in the face over and over again. They just react instead of being proactive. Hard to be proactive when you have no FORESIGHT. I think Savage and Watson are about equal but for different reasons. If we had a good to average OL I think Savage would be the choice right now.
I think with the team as it is composed now, (put together by Rick and coached by BOB) we are the Aggies with "johnny football". The main difference being our receivers are weaker when the play breaks down. Relatively speaking compared to the college receivers JF had to throw to ours are weaker. Just my opinion. If we are to win games this year we need "DeShauny Football" to happen but again not sure that can happen in the NFL especially with our below average receivers.
In the bigger picture McNair needs to either get some FORESIGHT or hire/listen to/trust..... someone that does because the ones he has now obviously DON'T have forsight or are misleading him based on their agenda.
heymak
"I know nothing!". (Veteran)
What I see is that we have a coach that thinks making an in game adjustment is to change qb instead of adjusting his game plan. How about an occasional screen or moving the pocket. Run something off tackle instead of straight up the gut. Give the guys a chance. The old Schaub play action rollout might have slowed that crazy rush a little. I don't know, I'm no football expert but Bills play calling doesn't seem right.
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I don't know if it was fair for Weeden or not, but O'Brien made the decision to go with Savage as the backup QB last year.
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/a...y-OBrien/cbb242a0-eee9-44ac-8f7a-14e5ea6144c6
Weeden was always to be on the short end due to his age.
He needed to show convincingly that he can be a starter, but they didn't think highly enough of him to have brought in Osweiler.
Where was that "fumble" called back by a penalty?
Texansballer74
The Marine
Yes the touchdown was called back because of a penalty. The very next play he fumbles the ball again. That turnover resulted into a touchdown.
There was no penalty.
Savage was looking left.
He was in his throwing motion and couldn't see the defender beating the double team of Allen and Giacomini when the latter left to pick up the blitzing CB.
The ball left his hand at the 2-second mark as Hopkins made his break on the out route.
It was an incompletion.
Also, I got the Vikings game film this morning, but has not got the time to get to it.
There's a cut up of some of his throws on YouTube, but only a few show the time.
So I will have to look at the actual game film when/if I have some time.
There were throws that Bradford took some time just the same as Savage.
Some other throws were like I said, when the play called for a quick strike, that's when the ball comes out fast.
It's actually Bradford's game, and he's good at it.
But if you went on the Vikings' MB last year, many of their fans were calling him Captain Check Down.
In this game, his receivers were getting open quickly, and that helped tremendously.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Yes Bradford was on fire during that game. He hit on both levels with great accuracy.
Sometimes things don't go as planned. Bradford had great protection and the play calling was on point. The OC mixed it up pretty solid for him and the Vikings. Not only that, his receivers won their battles and were big targets (got separation).
Unfortunately for both Savage and Watson, they didn't have either of those luxuries.
76 I asked this several times already, so I'm going to ask you, " Do you think Tom's hesitations on a few plays had anything to do with him not trusting his receivers?
I did read some of your game day break downs. And what stood out the most was how the Jaguars took away our QB's first reads. So it leads me to believe Bill O'Brien's offense is so predictable.
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To be honest, there were instances on game day that I thought Savage didn't do well enough (but not to the degree that another poster, whose name escapes me at the moment, thought when he was at the game - but when he went home and rewatched the game, he realized that Savage was far from the culprit he first thought.)
No, I don't think Savage hesitated at all.
When I slow down the film, I can see why it may seems that way.
There was always a reason; none of them is an excuse.
If Savage had had the time like Bradford, the Texans would have been a whole lot better in the first half.
This offense is supposed to allow the QB to decide how he'll go through his progression based on pre-snap reads. Unless the Jags were really good at showing Savage one look & doing something totally different post snap, then the issue would be Tom reading the defense wrong more times than not.
Assuming his WRs were to get open.
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Isn't that obvious?
And, IMO, Savage read the defense just fine.
(I am quite impressed).
That's why I said it seems like the vision goggles really help him.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Texans QB Tom Savage's agent sounds off on benching
By Greg Rajan
Updated 6:11 pm, Wednesday, September 13, 2017
Texans quarterback Tom Savage's agent took to the media Wednesday to defend his client after the signal caller's abrupt benching in the team's season opener.
Veteran agent Neil Schwartz expressed dismay over his client being pulled by Texans coach Bill O'Brien after halftime of Sunday's 29-7 loss to Jacksonville at NRG Stadium.
"I'm still trying to figure this out ... 31 plays and you're getting benched?" Schwartz said in an interview with NBC Sports' Mike Florio. "It makes no sense."
The Houston Texans are going with rookie Deshaun Watson at quarterback in Week 2, according to reports.
When asked by Florio who ultimately made the call to start Watson - which the Texans are expected to do - for Thursday's game at Cincinnati, Schwartz said "I don't know - I'd love to find out." He added that he had not tried to talk to Texans general manager Rick Smith after Savage's benching.
Schwartz said he even consulted other industry personnel about the move. Savage was 7-for-13 for 62 yards with a 66.8 passer rating. He was sacked six times and lost two fumbles, one of which was returned for a touchdown.
"I watched all 31 plays, because that was the extent of what Tom saw in the first half," Schwartz said. "And I can't figure out why he's benching Tom. I went through every single play and I even went one step further. I asked two different NFL personnel people (or) coaches on two separate teams to evaluate and break down the film to see if I was missing something. He went 7 for 13 ... 12 of the 13 balls touched the receiver's hands. The only ball that didn't was the strip-sack fumble that they called incomplete (upon replay). Seven were completions, five were drops.
"If you watch the film and you say 'I see something wrong that deserves to be benched,' I wouldn't be on the phone with you now. The second issue which I heard is he held the ball too long. He didn't hold the ball too long. Every play except for the one that was third and 12 (and) he got sacked was (released in) less than three seconds."
One sticking point for Schwartz was Savage being the starter throughout the offseason and preseason - and getting starter's reps - only to get the hook 30 minutes into the season.
"Tom earned the right to be the starter," Schwartz said. It 'wasn't given to him. And he's worked hard every day in training camp and the exhibition season to be the starter – on the field and off the field – to maintain a leadership role. After 31 plays, you bench him? I have an issue."THE REST OF THE STORY
By Greg Rajan
Updated 6:11 pm, Wednesday, September 13, 2017
Texans quarterback Tom Savage's agent took to the media Wednesday to defend his client after the signal caller's abrupt benching in the team's season opener.
Veteran agent Neil Schwartz expressed dismay over his client being pulled by Texans coach Bill O'Brien after halftime of Sunday's 29-7 loss to Jacksonville at NRG Stadium.
"I'm still trying to figure this out ... 31 plays and you're getting benched?" Schwartz said in an interview with NBC Sports' Mike Florio. "It makes no sense."
The Houston Texans are going with rookie Deshaun Watson at quarterback in Week 2, according to reports.
When asked by Florio who ultimately made the call to start Watson - which the Texans are expected to do - for Thursday's game at Cincinnati, Schwartz said "I don't know - I'd love to find out." He added that he had not tried to talk to Texans general manager Rick Smith after Savage's benching.
Schwartz said he even consulted other industry personnel about the move. Savage was 7-for-13 for 62 yards with a 66.8 passer rating. He was sacked six times and lost two fumbles, one of which was returned for a touchdown.
"I watched all 31 plays, because that was the extent of what Tom saw in the first half," Schwartz said. "And I can't figure out why he's benching Tom. I went through every single play and I even went one step further. I asked two different NFL personnel people (or) coaches on two separate teams to evaluate and break down the film to see if I was missing something. He went 7 for 13 ... 12 of the 13 balls touched the receiver's hands. The only ball that didn't was the strip-sack fumble that they called incomplete (upon replay). Seven were completions, five were drops.
"If you watch the film and you say 'I see something wrong that deserves to be benched,' I wouldn't be on the phone with you now. The second issue which I heard is he held the ball too long. He didn't hold the ball too long. Every play except for the one that was third and 12 (and) he got sacked was (released in) less than three seconds."
One sticking point for Schwartz was Savage being the starter throughout the offseason and preseason - and getting starter's reps - only to get the hook 30 minutes into the season.
"Tom earned the right to be the starter," Schwartz said. It 'wasn't given to him. And he's worked hard every day in training camp and the exhibition season to be the starter – on the field and off the field – to maintain a leadership role. After 31 plays, you bench him? I have an issue."THE REST OF THE STORY
zshawn10
All Pro
Nick Mensio
✔@NickMensio
Don't see QBs drop back like this. Tom Savage legit just unathletically walking backward in slow motion. Actually made me laugh. #Texans
2:08 PM - Sep 13, 2017
Gif he is talking about is in there: https://twitter.com/NickMensio/status/908074873552908288
Nick Mensio
✔@NickMensio
What also turned me off on Tom Savage was way he kinda looked around like it was everyone else's fault but his. Guy has thrown 0 career TDs.
3:10 PM - Sep 13, 2017
✔@NickMensio
Don't see QBs drop back like this. Tom Savage legit just unathletically walking backward in slow motion. Actually made me laugh. #Texans
2:08 PM - Sep 13, 2017
Gif he is talking about is in there: https://twitter.com/NickMensio/status/908074873552908288
Nick Mensio
✔@NickMensio
What also turned me off on Tom Savage was way he kinda looked around like it was everyone else's fault but his. Guy has thrown 0 career TDs.
3:10 PM - Sep 13, 2017
PapaL
Loose Screw
Thank you! I’ve been saying he had a lazier drop back than Cutler.
Dude failed to mention that pass split two defenders in a very tight window and hit the guy in the hands ...
Hervoyel
BUENO!
To be fair though he took that snap in the shotgun so he was already back to begin with. The steps back weren't exactly "ballet" but it's not like it mattered anyway. The pass rush was back there almost as fast as he was.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
I don't exactly know who "Mensio" is but I'm not picking up an intense "Super Genius" vibe from his comments.
That might be that Mr Mensa clown in the NSZ ....
I'm all for bringing on Watson because he is better equipped to handle that kinda pressure and because he is the future ..... But these guys acting like any of that garbage is on Savage ..... We're talking about multiple guys in his face at 1.3 - 1.8 seconds routinely and the OC not helping him out with rush beaters (slants / screens ). Yeah , they know football ....
I don't care what Savage's drop back looks like if he gets rid of the ball in 3 secs or less. (Which he did)
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Problem is he needs to get rid of it in 2 seconds or less or be athletic enough to get the hell out of there .. which he isn't. Raw deal. I'm not even happy for Watson anymore how can you gain confidence and develop when you're picking yourself up off the ground after every play? Disheartening.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Savage's agent blasting coach Bill O’Brien is not going to fare well for his client. That is not the way to conduct business.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
As true a statement as that is SOMEONE had to say something. O'Brien operates as if he can't do wrong, gives some BS rah rah 'lets get em guys' profanity laced pre game speech and then shrinks on the sideline. Dude is a joke. Seems as if nobody can run this offense. What is it 10 QBs now in 3 years? It's time he can go back to college or wherever this imaginary market for O'Brien Is I'm done with the guy
Texansballer74
The Marine
Uncle Rico I wasn't on board from the get go. I gave him the benefits of the doubt when they went 5-1 after starting that season off 1-5. But since then his offense has regressed. None of his players are being coached up properly.
But he had no time to get out of there, except for that 3rd and 12, which does no good for anybody.
Watson got caught four times even though he's quite elusive.
He needed to get it out in 1.25 or less ..... lol
Nope , that aint gonna help him but at this point , I doubt he wants to be back here next season. Not after the shafting he was given by OB and Tricky Rick.
I do think that he will get a look from other teams next season .....
For the record I feel sorry for what I think is going to happen to Watson this season. Which is why I wanted Savage to play as long as he could before he gets hurt.
I think BOB is giving Ricky a big FU by starting Watson against a good Bengals defense on a bum ankle.
Name one player that has improved since coming here .... I cant ?1
Cant wait for this.
It's like Uncle Bob forgot this era. (Maybe he's becoming senile. LOL) # Pat Bowlen
And don't forget, it was Watson that held the ball longer in certain instances.
I just didn't want to rag on him because he's a rookie.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Texansballer74
The Marine
I can't either. I thought Nuk was coming along. But once teams started doubling him and putting their best corner on him, he's regressed.
Well, at least Lechler is holding up.
That should be the equivalent of improvement.
Savage wasn't standing in there, nor curling like David Carr.
Granted, he's far from mobile than Watson.
Manning or Brady wouldn't have done better.
We cannot ask Savage to be Watson or Wilson.
Each player is different.
Mercilus/ Reader/McKinney/Hal off of the top of my head
Texansballer74
The Marine
Lol we're talking about offense steelbtexan. Those players you've mentioned I credit Crennel for their development.
Texas Jake
Rookie
I made a comment during preseason that whoever BOB starts, whether it is Savage or Watson, he needs to commit to them and stay with him. This pulling the starter after two quarters is ridiculous. It wasn't Savage's performance that let the team down. It was the o-line, the receivers, and most of all the coaching staff and front office. Tom is just the scape goat for their lack of foresight. How can you go into a season with this sorry excuse for an o-line? They have had no sense of urgency to fix this crap for the last several years and it has been an obvious problem. Instead of pulling the QB, they should have made adjustments on offense to beat the blitz and force the defense to back off. I thought Bill learned from the Hoyer fiasco and had admitted it was a mistake to pull him in that first game of 2015. He was so penitent after realizing his blunder that he refused to replace Hoyer in the KC play-off game even while Hoyer is massively imploding right in front of him. What happened, now. I guess BOB has amnesia because now he is saying he doesn't remember admitting pulling Hoyer in game 1 was a mistake.
I hate going through another regime change, but I am at the point, like most of you are already, to see a major organizational shake-up. But if BOB goes, so should/must Rick. It has got to be a clean sweep. I believe if this season goes south, BOB will be looking for a job. With the sorry state of the o-line, which points back to Rick's failure and is the core problem for this team, maybe McNair finally cuts ties with Ricky - we can only hope.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Rag all you want he has a ways to go. Not the best situation for a young QB. He does bring a playmaking ability at the position, and those traits tend to come with a learning curve ie prepare for more INTs and WTH moments. You know what I liked also, on the picks he ran back and made the play. That's heart. I'm pretty sure Savage doesn't do that.
Savage had never thrown an INT, so we don't know, LOL.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Or a TD lol
The other problem with the Int is that the QB can get hurt running down the play.
Keenum missed almost a year doing that in college.
And he didn't throw many.