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Injury Thread

CloakNNNdagger said:
Where did you get that Quote?????
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He was drunk posting again and screwed things up...

This are your words...
The Texans have signed veteran right offensive tackle Breno Giacomini. /QUOTE]

This is JB's 'commentary...
Sounds like a stellar Texan

Or at least a lukewarm camp body

Better competition=better team is the going philosophy
 
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ObsiWan said:
lucky for you guys I speak drunk post
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I never saw a drunk post but in 1973 I while headed to my car after a few "sips" at a beach in North Carolina, I did see a drunk telephone pole doing the "shimmy shimmy coco puff". I did sleep in back of my Pontiac station wagon rather than drive back to the base and my bunk.
 
Cushing is still recovering from shoulder surgery performed mid January.............It was said to be a simple "minor clean up." Four months and still recovering? More likely more labrum surgery. He had already undergone one shoulder labrum surgery in November of 2013.
 
Foreman now is hobbling due to a recent hamstring injury............not surprised if this is a compensatory injury secondary to pain from his foot stress fracture.
 
Mercilus did not participate and was "receiving treatment." Can't help but wonder if this is an extension of the back problem he demonstrated the entire end of last season.............or if we find out later that he is recovering from a............microdiscectomy.
 
Braxton Miller didn't participate. Last season, voiced my concern about whether Miller could return at all from another shoulder injury.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Cushing is still recovering from shoulder surgery performed mid January.............It was said to be a simple "minor clean up." Four months and still recovering? More likely more labrum surgery. He had already undergone one shoulder labrum surgery in November of 2013.
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Shoulder surgery sux!!!
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Cushing is still recovering from shoulder surgery performed mid January.............It was said to be a simple "minor clean up." Four months and still recovering? More likely more labrum surgery. He had already undergone one shoulder labrum surgery in November of 2013.
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Shoulder surgery sux!!! Is this why Cush hasn't been cut?
 
Kevin Johnson has not returned. Last season week 6, he re-fractured his Jones fracture..........they tried conservative treatment hoping it could still heal on its own...........for 2 months, at which time the first week in Jan, he underwent bone grafting and replacement with a larger screw. When allowed the luxury of the offseason, it would not be unusual to allow more than the typical 8-10 week recovery/rehab before return to play. This is already 18 months post surgery, and by now I would have expected that he should have been able to participate in simple drills. I hope that he has not experienced a non-union of the re-fracture site.........with a possible 3rd surgery (just like what Kevin Durant went through) in the offing. We should find out fairly soon, because they will want to re-operate in enough time to not have him miss a significant portion of another season.
 
Hey Doc, why would Nick Martin's high ankle sprain require orthopedic surgery?

"That's because the start of his NFL career was interrupted by a high-ankle sprain suffered during a blocking drill last August during a joint practice with the New Orleans Saints. The injury was severe enough that it ultimately required surgery from Dr. Robert Anderson, an orthopedic surgeon and specialist in Charlotte, N.C. (Nick) Martin was placed on injured reserve and missed his entire rookie season."

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/spo...eferrer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=quiboat
 
Texian said:
Hey Doc, why would Nick Martin's high ankle sprain require orthopedic surgery?

"That's because the start of his NFL career was interrupted by a high-ankle sprain suffered during a blocking drill last August during a joint practice with the New Orleans Saints. The injury was severe enough that it ultimately required surgery from Dr. Robert Anderson, an orthopedic surgeon and specialist in Charlotte, N.C. (Nick) Martin was placed on injured reserve and missed his entire rookie season."

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/spo...eferrer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=quiboat
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High ankle sprains are tears of the ligaments that hold the tibia and fibula in set relationship, keeping the ankle stable. When most if not all suffer a complete tear (grade III), the fibula significantly distracts (separates) from and can allow rotation around the tibial axis, (separated enough to not allow primary healing even with immobilization for long periods of time)...........therefore resulting not only in instability of the ankle joint (where the fibula and tibia join distally), but also in the entire lower limb............hence requiring surgery to bring structures back together and securing those structures in proper anatomical position.


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CloakNNNdagger said:
High ankle sprains are tears of the ligaments that hold the tibia and fibula in set relationship, keeping the ankle stable. When most if not all suffer a complete tear (grade III), the fibula significantly distracts (separates) from and can allow rotation around the tibial axis, (separated enough to not allow primary healing even with immobilization for long periods of time)...........therefore resulting not only in instability of the ankle joint (where the fibula and tibia join distally), but also in the entire lower limb............hence requiring surgery to bring structures back together and securing those structures in proper anatomical position.


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Thank you.
 
I've learned way more about injures thanks to CnD. Way more than I ever wanted to learn. Upsets my stomach most times but damn if it's not useful!
 
The hamstring was reported by Aaron Wilson. There are no mandatory Injury Reports before the regular season. However...........

NFL Media Access Policy
2016 NFL Media Access Policy (PDF Version)
Reasonable cooperation with the news media is essential to the continuing popularity of our game and its players and coaches. The following league policy is reviewed and updated annually and remains standard operating procedure:..................
...................Though the injury reporting policy does not begin until the week prior to the start of the regular-season, clubs are expected to update media on significant injuries that occur during the offseason program, training camp and preseason games.
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Of course, what teams actually report before the season begins is even more of a game than when Injury Reports become formal and mandatory.
 
Rookie wide receiver Deante' Gray sustained a Grade 2 (partially torn) hamstring and has not been able to participate in OTAs. Don't expect him back before TC, if at all.
 
Haven't really heard anything about Devon Still's status as far as the Texans are concerned following his Lisfranc surgery, other than he is supposedly healed. I'm not sure he can make it back with decent production, especially since he really wasn't impressive before the injury. I do still give out prayers to his daughter.
 
I found this site today and it looks interesting. Hopefully, CloakNNNdagger can give us a breakdown on the accuracy of this site,
http://sportsinjurypredictor.com/

Evidently this site is only for offensive players. I haven't been abvle to pull up a single defensive player.
 
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DocBar said:
I found this site today and it looks interesting. Hopefully, CloakNNNdagger can give us a breakdown on the accuracy of this site,
http://sportsinjurypredictor.com/

Evidently this site is only for offensive players. I haven't been abvle to pull up a single defensive player.
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I've looked at this site over the past couple of years. Most of the time, it can be very sparse and includes only the player's major injuries, but leaves out some very pertinent ones that show a significant trend and would actually change the prediction for future injuries.
 
McClain on his facebook video chat today evidently slipped up when talking about Quessenberry taking 1st team reps at LG.....because Su'a Filo did not participate. What I've found out since is that Filo is now sporting a nice bulky knee brace while demonstrating a noticeable limp. Some time near the end of OTAs/minicamp, he sustained a knee injury. What I do know is that, Filo was on the Injury Report throughout Nov 2016 for a "knee." His present condition most likely would reflect a "re-injury," extension of injury or new injury to the knee. It is likely that he underwent a knee scope...............or they are trying to get him by with rehab alone, trying again to delay surgery until the end of this season. If so, neither the timing for such surgery or the attempted rehab of an injury is unfortunate, and certainly not exactly ideal. The least "minor scope" would typically require at least 6 weeks (and not uncommonly 8 weeks) to return to play. On the other hand, if this is an attempt to rehab the knee without surgery (still limping and in a bulky brace), he will likely have continued problems during the season, eventually leading to surgery during the season sooner than later.............meanwhile, his performance could be even less impressive than what we saw last season.
 
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PapaL said:
CND has been calling this one for awhile now...

It's Time to Read Between the Lines: Andrew Luck Isn't Playing Anytime Soon
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...e-lines-andrew-luck-isnt-playing-anytime-soon
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If Luck only had a labrum debridement, this type of procedure by several studies are not considered a long-term solution..........and these players will continue to have significant progressive performance-affecting symptoms. In that labral injuries are commonly associated with other shoulder pathology, e.g., rotator cuff tears alone in ~30%, I have a strong suspicion that Luck has undergone more than a "simple labral debridement." The Colts have never been straightforward in any reporting of Luck's injuries............no reason for me to feel that that have all of a sudden turned over a new leaf.
 
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Su'a Filo (note left knee brace and compression garment) and Q playing ball today............medicine ball. The compression garment answers the question of what Filo is recovering from.........................and it's surgery.
 
Our 4.3 40 rookie WR Deante' Gray suffered a torn ACL today. He was coming back from a Grade II hamstring tear suffered the very beginning of June.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Our 4.3 40 rookie WR Deante' Gray suffered a torn ACL today. He was coming back from a Grade II hamstring tear suffered the very beginning of June.
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Tough luck for Gray. Didn't think he'd make the team but a WR that relies on his speed will have a tough road ahead with a history of leg injuries this early.
 
The return to play following surgery on a fractured clavicle is extremely variable depending on where the location of the fracture is on the clavicle, whether it is displaced, and if it is comminuted (shattered into pieces) or not. If he had a single clean break with or without simple displacement in the mid clavicle (most common fracture site since it is the weakest), and if healing progresses well, the surgically supported bone can usually allow the player to return in ~6 weeks. If the clavicle fracture is in other locations, comminuted a rod or plate reconstruction is a more variable recovery and can be up to 3 months.

An American Journal of Sports Medicine study revealed that 94% of plated clavicular fractures (all types) returned to the same preinjury performance level. The mean time to return-to-sport was 68 days (range, 5-180 days). Nine (16.6%) of the cases returned to sports before 6 weeks after surgery, 40 (74%) returned between 6 and 12 weeks, and 5 patients (9.2%) returned 12 weeks after surgery.

Without knowing the exact facts behind the fracture and repair, we are left only with the reasonable possibilities of return anywhere from 6 weeks to 12 weeks. Dr. Chao's optimistic statement is based on the best case scenario.
 
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The return to play following surgery on a fractured clavicle is extremely variable depending on where the location of the fracture is on the clavicle, whether it is displaced, and if it is comminuted (shattered into pieces) or not. If he had a single clean break with or without simple displacement in the mid clavicle (most common fracture site since it is the weakest), and if healing progresses well, the surgically supported bone can usually allow the player to return in ~6 weeks. If the clavicle fracture is in other locations, comminuted a rod or plate reconstruction is a more variable recovery and can be up to 3 months.

An American Journal of Sports Medicine study revealed that 94% of plated clavicular fractures (all types) returned to the same preinjury performance level. The mean time to return-to-sport was 68 days (range, 5-180 days). Nine (16.6%) of the cases returned to sports before 6 weeks after surgery, 40 (74%) returned between 6 and 12 weeks, and 5 patients (9.2%) returned 12 weeks after surgery.

Without knowing the exact facts behind the fracture and repair, we are left only with the reasonable possibilities of return anywhere from 6 weeks to 12 weeks. Dr. Chao's optimistic statement is based on the best case scenario.
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That 5 day return to to sports outlier is intriguing. How can you come back from that in 5 days?
 
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That 5 day return to to sports outlier is intriguing. How can you come back from that in 5 days?
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A simple mid shaft fracture was treated with a closed intra-medullary nailing ( a screw nail through the inside of the bone placed under image guiding) through a small puncture incision. This was in a noncollision competitive athlete. The problem with using this simple approach, though, is that although this patient did well, most other studies have reported a very high incidence of complications associated with the intramedullary nail working itself out.

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CloakNNNdagger said:
A simple mid shaft fracture was treated with a closed intra-medullary nailing ( a screw nail through the inside of the bone placed under image guiding) through a small puncture incision. This was in a noncollision competitive athlete. The problem with using this simple approach, though, is that although this patient did well, most other studies have reported a very high incidence of complications associated with the intramedullary nail working itself out.[
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I had that problem... one screw worked itself all the way thru the bone, another the bone grew over the screw...

That was in the funny bone though so maybe I'm special
 
Stephen Anderson has not practiced recently and the Texans have only identified his injury as "soft tissue." Last year, he missed 3 games with a significant hamstring tear. Suspect this may be the case now.
 
We will know more about the Fuller injury come the end of TC. If he is placed on the IR (with probable DTR), he will have suffered a complex clavicular fracture (such as a comminuted fracture) and will be expected to take ~10-12 weeks to heal enough to return. If the injury is a straightforward fracture and will be expected to take 6-8 weeks to heal enough to return, the Texans will not place him on IR and just keep him on the roster until he can begin practicing. Either way, I can't see him not returning this season.
 
hey Doc, Austin Howard is not a Texan, but he is coming for a visit. How does his labrum repair impact his long term outlook on the OL?

If its not appropriate to ask here, just let me know where.

EDIT: Just saw your post in the Gilchrist threat...tyvm
 
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NFL unveils rules for using new sideline tents for medical evaluations
Posted by Michael David Smith on August 3, 2017, 1:57 PM EDT

The NFL decided this offseason to begin using medical tents on the sidelines to keep fans’ eyes and television cameras off players who are getting evaluated by team doctors. Now the league has explained the procedures for using those tents.

The tents will only be raised while evaluations are ongoing. Players being evaluated will sit down and have the tents raised around them, and teams will be instructed to keep the tents up on the sideline only while a player is inside and being evaluated.

Teams will be required to use the tents for sideline concussion evaluations, although players diagnosed with concussions will still be taken to the locker room for further evaluation.

The sideline tents have been used in college football for the last couple of years, and the NFL liked the idea of giving players privacy — and avoiding scrutiny on sideline medical exams. Those tents will be a common site around the NFL this year.

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Now teams can play around with the injury info even more than before.

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As per O'Brien's statement today, looks like Fuller did have a comminuted (shattered="multiple") clavicular fracture. This means that he will not return before 10-12 weeks.........likely will be put on IR with later designation to return. The IR must be claimed at the final roster cut (no later than 4 p.m. ET on Sept. 3). If placed on IR with intent to return, he can begin practicing after six weeks; he can't play until after being on the list for eight weeks. His return to practice would then put him right on schedule for a 10-12 week return from the fracture. To also be noted, once he begins practice, it time starts a 21-day clock where the Texans must decide whether to active him or shut him down for the season.

I believe this will be the approach taken (rather than leaving him on the roster until he can practice), as IR does not count against the roster, and in the 6 weeks that he can't practice anyway because the fracture would not have healed before then, it gives another player a chance to help the team.
 
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In today's O'Brien news conference, Mark Berman asked O'Brien about DeAndrew White "going down" at the end of practice. O'Brien responded that he didn't see it..........
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
NFL unveils rules for using new sideline tents for medical evaluations
Posted by Michael David Smith on August 3, 2017, 1:57 PM EDT

The NFL decided this offseason to begin using medical tents on the sidelines to keep fans’ eyes and television cameras off players who are getting evaluated by team doctors. Now the league has explained the procedures for using those tents.

The tents will only be raised while evaluations are ongoing. Players being evaluated will sit down and have the tents raised around them, and teams will be instructed to keep the tents up on the sideline only while a player is inside and being evaluated.

Teams will be required to use the tents for sideline concussion evaluations, although players diagnosed with concussions will still be taken to the locker room for further evaluation.

The sideline tents have been used in college football for the last couple of years, and the NFL liked the idea of giving players privacy — and avoiding scrutiny on sideline medical exams. Those tents will be a common site around the NFL this year.

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Now teams can play around with the injury info even more than before.

Here's a tent before it's set up for injury.

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A porta potty can also be in there..right? Just don't lower tents too soon. :eek:
 
From what I've learned, DeAndrew White suffered a groin injury. I would not look for him to return anytime soon if at all. Tough luck.........it occurred the last play of the day.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
From what I've learned, DeAndrew White suffered a groin injury. I would not look for him to return anytime soon if at all. Tough luck.........it occurred the last play of the day.
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Yep very unfortunate. No timetable and the team immediately signed another WR.

Is there any news on Joel Heath? I just know him and Dayon Pratt were on the same inactive list but no mention of Heath's injury timetable. Which is concerning because I expected him to be a key reserve on the DL this season.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Yep very unfortunate. No timetable and the team immediately signed another WR.

Is there any news on Joel Heath? I just know him and Dayon Pratt were on the same inactive list but no mention of Heath's injury timetable. Which is concerning because I expected him to be a key reserve on the DL this season.
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There has been no transparency as to the nature of the injuries to Pratt and Heath. Even though, it was a "nonfootball injury sustained during training heading to the season," it could still be a re-injury to the knee that knocked him out of the Jan 2017 divisional game with the Pats. At the time there was talk that he might need surgery. He came back to OTAs having had no surgery.
 
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