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So what?

You're whining because we didn't sign this bozo?


Seriously?

I didn't want them to sign Remmers for the record.

I did want them to compete with the rest of the NFL for talented player.

As usual the Texans org is lacking in direction, or the direction they're going in has proven to not work for the last decade.
 
For what specifically?
You need a reminder of some of the inexcusable "sh!t the bed" moves?

Jacques Reeves, March 2008 (Free agent, 4 years, $20 million, $8 million guaranteed)

Texan fans, if you ever feel down about the team in 2017, just know that there was a time where this was a sentence written during the offseason:

Former Dallas Cowboys cornerback Jacques Reeves, 25, signed a five-year deal worth $20 million Saturday and will compete for the starting job opposite Fred Bennett in training camp.

SO MUCH BAD IN THOSE 29 WORDS. Hey, how about this...

"I'm very excited," said Texans general manager Rick Smith, who worked out the deal with Reeves' agent, Brian Hamilton. "We feel Reeves is a good, young player who is on the rise. And we think he will really add to a defense that is full of good, young players."

Reeves started all 16 games his first season, was terrible, started five games the next season, and was so bad he was let go from a team that would eventually finish at historical lows against the pass in 2010. He wasn't good enough to play for THAT team.

Ahman Green, March 2007 (4 years, $23 million, $8 million guaranteed)

I almost feel bad putting Green on this list, because his failure as a Texan was more about off the field stuff that was out of his control and his body no longer cooperating. That said, Smith signing a running back with injury issues, who was over the age of 30 was a classic amateur general manager move. Green's Texans career was such a disaster, it's impossible to find Texans highlights of him on YouTube, so I give you those Packers highlights above.

Matt Schaub, September 2012 (4 years, $62 million, $24.75 million guaranteed)
I remember the announcement of Schlub's extension on the opening day of the 2012 season coming as a slight surprise, considering he had yet to win a playoff game as a Texan (T.J. Yates was the starter in the 2011 postseason) and he was coming off a foot injury. Was there any crime in letting Schaub play out his deal rather than extend him a year early? As it turns out, the second that the extension kicked in in 2013, Schaub turned into a "pick six" machine, and was traded to the Raiders by March 2014. His name is now synonymous with the team's 2-14 implosion in 2013. (SIDE BAR — Let's not forget, when we are all slobbering over what a nice guy Gary Kubiak is, he chose to give this contract to Schaub than give a contract to Peyton Manning that offseason.)

Ed Reed, May 2013 (3 years, $15 million)
Actually, check that... the name most synonymous with the 2013 failure might be Ed Reed, who was brought in by Rick Smith and Bob McNair for leadership traits he displayed in a decade in Baltimore. Instead, Reed's time in Houston will best be remembered for the following:

1. Getting hip surgery literally weeks after cashing his signing bonus.
2. Strolling around training camp with a towel around his neck acting like he built the place.
3. 14 tackles in seven games, before trashing the coaching staff after a loss to the Cardinals
4. Leaving $50,0000 in cash sitting on the front seat of his car.

Brock Osweiler, March 2016 (4 years, $72 million, $37 million guaranteed)
Um yeah, not much more needs to be said here. Miss. A colossal miss.
 
You need a reminder of some of the inexcusable "sh!t the bed" moves?

Jacques Reeves, March 2008 (Free agent, 4 years, $20 million, $8 million guaranteed)

Texan fans, if you ever feel down about the team in 2017, just know that there was a time where this was a sentence written during the offseason:



SO MUCH BAD IN THOSE 29 WORDS. Hey, how about this...



Reeves started all 16 games his first season, was terrible, started five games the next season, and was so bad he was let go from a team that would eventually finish at historical lows against the pass in 2010. He wasn't good enough to play for THAT team.

Ahman Green, March 2007 (4 years, $23 million, $8 million guaranteed)

I almost feel bad putting Green on this list, because his failure as a Texan was more about off the field stuff that was out of his control and his body no longer cooperating. That said, Smith signing a running back with injury issues, who was over the age of 30 was a classic amateur general manager move. Green's Texans career was such a disaster, it's impossible to find Texans highlights of him on YouTube, so I give you those Packers highlights above.

Matt Schaub, September 2012 (4 years, $62 million, $24.75 million guaranteed)
I remember the announcement of Schlub's extension on the opening day of the 2012 season coming as a slight surprise, considering he had yet to win a playoff game as a Texan (T.J. Yates was the starter in the 2011 postseason) and he was coming off a foot injury. Was there any crime in letting Schaub play out his deal rather than extend him a year early? As it turns out, the second that the extension kicked in in 2013, Schaub turned into a "pick six" machine, and was traded to the Raiders by March 2014. His name is now synonymous with the team's 2-14 implosion in 2013. (SIDE BAR — Let's not forget, when we are all slobbering over what a nice guy Gary Kubiak is, he chose to give this contract to Schaub than give a contract to Peyton Manning that offseason.)

Ed Reed, May 2013 (3 years, $15 million)
Actually, check that... the name most synonymous with the 2013 failure might be Ed Reed, who was brought in by Rick Smith and Bob McNair for leadership traits he displayed in a decade in Baltimore. Instead, Reed's time in Houston will best be remembered for the following:

1. Getting hip surgery literally weeks after cashing his signing bonus.
2. Strolling around training camp with a towel around his neck acting like he built the place.
3. 14 tackles in seven games, before trashing the coaching staff after a loss to the Cardinals
4. Leaving $50,0000 in cash sitting on the front seat of his car.

Brock Osweiler, March 2016 (4 years, $72 million, $37 million guaranteed)
Um yeah, not much more needs to be said here. Miss. A colossal miss.

There's a decade of incompetence. Some fans on here for different reasons don't want to admit it.

The owner doesn't care because he's got the 7th most valuable sports franchise in the world.

Unless the fans turn on McNair like they did Adams (Doubtful due to different dynamics in the fanbase) then don't expect much to change.
 
You need a reminder of some of the inexcusable "sh!t the bed" moves?

Jacques Reeves, March 2008 (Free agent, 4 years, $20 million, $8 million guaranteed)

Texan fans, if you ever feel down about the team in 2017, just know that there was a time where this was a sentence written during the offseason:



SO MUCH BAD IN THOSE 29 WORDS. Hey, how about this...



Reeves started all 16 games his first season, was terrible, started five games the next season, and was so bad he was let go from a team that would eventually finish at historical lows against the pass in 2010. He wasn't good enough to play for THAT team.

Ahman Green, March 2007 (4 years, $23 million, $8 million guaranteed)

I almost feel bad putting Green on this list, because his failure as a Texan was more about off the field stuff that was out of his control and his body no longer cooperating. That said, Smith signing a running back with injury issues, who was over the age of 30 was a classic amateur general manager move. Green's Texans career was such a disaster, it's impossible to find Texans highlights of him on YouTube, so I give you those Packers highlights above.

Matt Schaub, September 2012 (4 years, $62 million, $24.75 million guaranteed)
I remember the announcement of Schlub's extension on the opening day of the 2012 season coming as a slight surprise, considering he had yet to win a playoff game as a Texan (T.J. Yates was the starter in the 2011 postseason) and he was coming off a foot injury. Was there any crime in letting Schaub play out his deal rather than extend him a year early? As it turns out, the second that the extension kicked in in 2013, Schaub turned into a "pick six" machine, and was traded to the Raiders by March 2014. His name is now synonymous with the team's 2-14 implosion in 2013. (SIDE BAR — Let's not forget, when we are all slobbering over what a nice guy Gary Kubiak is, he chose to give this contract to Schaub than give a contract to Peyton Manning that offseason.)

Ed Reed, May 2013 (3 years, $15 million)
Actually, check that... the name most synonymous with the 2013 failure might be Ed Reed, who was brought in by Rick Smith and Bob McNair for leadership traits he displayed in a decade in Baltimore. Instead, Reed's time in Houston will best be remembered for the following:

1. Getting hip surgery literally weeks after cashing his signing bonus.
2. Strolling around training camp with a towel around his neck acting like he built the place.
3. 14 tackles in seven games, before trashing the coaching staff after a loss to the Cardinals
4. Leaving $50,0000 in cash sitting on the front seat of his car.

Brock Osweiler, March 2016 (4 years, $72 million, $37 million guaranteed)
Um yeah, not much more needs to be said here. Miss. A colossal miss.

:thinking:



I got nothing.
 
For the record, I'm still waiting on some Rick Smith "consequences". :thinking:
For what specifically?
You need a reminder of some of the inexcusable "sh!t the bed" moves?

Jacques Reeves, March 2008 (Free agent, 4 years, $20 million, $8 million guaranteed)

Texan fans, if you ever feel down about the team in 2017, just know that there was a time where this was a sentence written during the offseason:



SO MUCH BAD IN THOSE 29 WORDS. Hey, how about this...



Reeves started all 16 games his first season, was terrible, started five games the next season, and was so bad he was let go from a team that would eventually finish at historical lows against the pass in 2010. He wasn't good enough to play for THAT team.

Ahman Green, March 2007 (4 years, $23 million, $8 million guaranteed)

I almost feel bad putting Green on this list, because his failure as a Texan was more about off the field stuff that was out of his control and his body no longer cooperating. That said, Smith signing a running back with injury issues, who was over the age of 30 was a classic amateur general manager move. Green's Texans career was such a disaster, it's impossible to find Texans highlights of him on YouTube, so I give you those Packers highlights above.

Matt Schaub, September 2012 (4 years, $62 million, $24.75 million guaranteed)
I remember the announcement of Schlub's extension on the opening day of the 2012 season coming as a slight surprise, considering he had yet to win a playoff game as a Texan (T.J. Yates was the starter in the 2011 postseason) and he was coming off a foot injury. Was there any crime in letting Schaub play out his deal rather than extend him a year early? As it turns out, the second that the extension kicked in in 2013, Schaub turned into a "pick six" machine, and was traded to the Raiders by March 2014. His name is now synonymous with the team's 2-14 implosion in 2013. (SIDE BAR — Let's not forget, when we are all slobbering over what a nice guy Gary Kubiak is, he chose to give this contract to Schaub than give a contract to Peyton Manning that offseason.)

Ed Reed, May 2013 (3 years, $15 million)
Actually, check that... the name most synonymous with the 2013 failure might be Ed Reed, who was brought in by Rick Smith and Bob McNair for leadership traits he displayed in a decade in Baltimore. Instead, Reed's time in Houston will best be remembered for the following:

1. Getting hip surgery literally weeks after cashing his signing bonus.
2. Strolling around training camp with a towel around his neck acting like he built the place.
3. 14 tackles in seven games, before trashing the coaching staff after a loss to the Cardinals
4. Leaving $50,0000 in cash sitting on the front seat of his car.

Brock Osweiler, March 2016 (4 years, $72 million, $37 million guaranteed)
Um yeah, not much more needs to be said here. Miss. A colossal miss.
So if I read you correctly, you say that these misses deserve losing one's job over?
Makes me wonder if all of us can make mistakes, begging the question, will his replacement never make mistakes?
If he can, why do you kick someone out - just out of spite?
On the flip side, he has also made some very savvy moves.
Do these cancel out the misses?
Now, I am all for a change - IF it guarantees a better result. Something no-one can do.
 
For what specifically?
So if I read you correctly, you say that these misses deserve losing one's job over?
Makes me wonder if all of us can make mistakes, begging the question, will his replacement never make mistakes?
If he can, why do you kick someone out - just out of spite?
On the flip side, he has also made some very savvy moves.
Do these cancel out the misses?
Now, I am all for a change - IF it guarantees a better result. Something no-one can do.

After a decade Ricky McNair has proven what he is as a GM.

Time to take a chance and move on.

Your not much of a risk taker are you? Liking the status Quo gets you more of the status quo. I understand that's good enough for some.
 
For what specifically?
So if I read you correctly, you say that these misses deserve losing one's job over?
Makes me wonder if all of us can make mistakes, begging the question, will his replacement never make mistakes?
If he can, why do you kick someone out - just out of spite?
On the flip side, he has also made some very savvy moves.
Do these cancel out the misses?
Now, I am all for a change - IF it guarantees a better result. Something no-one can do.

Should we include all of the 2nd, 3rd and 4th round fails, and no substantial QB since Schaub.................in addition to not even a sniff of a SB run, the measure by which every GM is ultimately measured? I can guarantee ou one thing, if Smith were released today, he would never get a sniff at another NFL GM job.
 
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Smith has taken the team through a couple of 'rebuilds' and taken two different make up of teams to the playoffs.

Some would say that is good work.

Keeping a team relevant through different iterations.
True.
Some teams have been around a lot longer than the Texans and still haven't been to the SB.
Saints took 40 years.
This team has been relevant with sub-par QB play.
 
There's been questioning and concern over the Texans' inactivity in free agency. Reading the Chronicle this morning, John McClain posed a possible explanation.

We have three compensatory picks in 2018 for the loss of Bouye, Demps and Simon. On May 9 UFA's who haven't signed become street free agents and no longer figure into the compensatory equation. So McClain thinks this is when Smith will start looking to sign players to fill our holes.

So there seems to be some calculation in our inactivity to date.
 
True.
Some teams have been around a lot longer than the Texans and still haven't been to the SB.
Saints took 40 years.
This team has been relevant with sub-par QB play.
It becomes a sad testimony when one has to compare the Texans to teams that have taken 20, 30, 40 years to get to the SB. In the old days this may not have been that unusual. With the wide changes in NFL policies and rules, things have changed drastically. Teams one year that were almost bottom dwellers have been able to make it to the lop the next. The bottom line is that mediocrity has always been the acceptable Texans hallmark trait............there's always next year, you know......in fact, with Smith at the GM helm, the message seems to be clear, there's always next decade............you know.
 
The bottom line is that mediocrity has always been the acceptable Texans hallmark trait............there's always next year, you know......in fact, with Smith at the GM helm, the message seems to be clear, there's always next decade............you know.
I can't argue that point. But with McNair's past illness and advancing age, he may feel the need for results sooner than later. Maybe.
 
There's been questioning and concern over the Texans' inactivity in free agency. Reading the Chronicle this morning, John McClain posed a possible explanation.

We have three compensatory picks in 2018 for the loss of Bouye, Demps and Simon. On May 9 UFA's who haven't signed become street free agents and no longer figure into the compensatory equation. So McClain thinks this is when Smith will start looking to sign players to fill our holes.

So there seems to be some calculation in our inactivity to date.
Only if you believe that John McClain has the slightest clue of what's going on.

To be fair, Jerome Solomon said the same thing, couching it in terms of "the Texans are waiting to make a move because there really hasn't been a major move on the table for them to make". While I'm not sure I buy his or McClain's logic, at least he makes the point that big, splashy signings by the Texans F.O. rarely work out.
 
It becomes a sad testimony when one has to compare the Texans to teams that have taken 20, 30, 40 years to get to the SB. In the old days this may not have been that unusual. With the wide changes in NFL policies and rules, things have changed drastically. Teams one year that were almost bottom dwellers have been able to make it to the lop the next. The bottom line is that mediocrity has always been the acceptable Texans hallmark trait............there's always next year, you know......in fact, with Smith at the GM helm, the message seems to be clear, there's always next decade............you know.
You want current comparisons?
How about Chargers, Saints, Giants or even Packers over the last three years? Top tier to elite QB's and storied franchises that haven't done much better than Texans.
Its a sad indictment on today's instant gratification culture that can't see the forest for the trees.
 
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I can't argue that point. But with McNair's past illness and advancing age, he may feel the need for results sooner than later. Maybe.

McNair is getting the results he wants. Otherwise Ricky McNair would be gone.

7th most valuable sports franchise in the world.
 
You want current comparisons?
How about Chargers, Saints, Giants or even Packers over the last three years? Top tier to elite QB's and storied franchises that haven't done much better than Texans.
Its a sad indictment on today's instant gratification culture that can't see the forest for the trees.

How about those teams over the last decade?

You know, the Ricky McNair tenure.
 
Only if you believe that John McClain has the slightest clue of what's going on.

To be fair, Jerome Solomon said the same thing, couching it in terms of "the Texans are waiting to make a move because there really hasn't been a major move on the table for them to make". While I'm not sure I buy his or McClain's logic, at least he makes the point that big, splashy signings by the Texans F.O. rarely work out.

Seems like that McNair would want a GM whose splashy FA signings do work out. Like the Giants last yr for instance.

The lack of FA activity is an indictment on FO. It's like they're trying to fail. Maybe they use the cap $$$$ on reupping Clowney/Nuk at the expense of next season. If that's the plan then that plan stinks.
 
It becomes a sad testimony when one has to compare the Texans to teams that have taken 20, 30, 40 years to get to the SB. In the old days this may not have been that unusual. With the wide changes in NFL policies and rules, things have changed drastically. Teams one year that were almost bottom dwellers have been able to make it to the lop the next. The bottom line is that mediocrity has always been the acceptable Texans hallmark trait............there's always next year, you know......in fact, with Smith at the GM helm, the message seems to be clear, there's always next decade............you know.

And also, "you can't fill all your needs in one offseason" (or draft). In order to be a really good team you have to be in a position where you can do that. How nice would it be if the Texans were going into a draft where depth is the key word. They use their first pick on say a plug and play RT. The rest is good depth/future starter.
 
Only if you believe that John McClain has the slightest clue of what's going on.

To be fair, Jerome Solomon said the same thing, couching it in terms of "the Texans are waiting to make a move because there really hasn't been a major move on the table for them to make". While I'm not sure I buy his or McClain's logic, at least he makes the point that big, splashy signings by the Texans F.O. rarely work out.
I'm not sure you're getting my point. It has nothing to do with McClain. You get comp picks for players lost. When you sign UFA's, your comp picks are adjusted downward; all part of an unknown formula. But to get maximum value for players lost, you wait until after May 9th to sign street free agents.

In all the discussion and comment on comp picks, I don't recall this point ever being made. McClain simply made this point known to me and I'm passing it along.
 
I'm not sure you're getting my point. It has nothing to do with McClain. You get comp picks for players lost. When you sign UFA's, your comp picks are adjusted downward; all part of an unknown formula. But to get maximum value for players lost, you wait until after May 9th to sign street free agents.

In all the discussion and comment on comp picks, I don't recall this point ever being made. McClain simply made this point known to me and I'm passing it along.

John thinks he sees a method to the madness. I'm telling you it's a method not practiced by the other 31 teams in the NFL.

Compensatory picks (next year) aren't a plan...they're a result.

What you're hearing is a media guy getting fed excuses for why the Texans haven't done anything in Free Agency. As usual, McClain will regurgitate whatever he's fed as long as it keeps his foot in the door at NRG. Don't buy the misdirection.
 
I'm not sure you're getting my point. It has nothing to do with McClain. You get comp picks for players lost. When you sign UFA's, your comp picks are adjusted downward; all part of an unknown formula. But to get maximum value for players lost, you wait until after May 9th to sign street free agents.

In all the discussion and comment on comp picks, I don't recall this point ever being made. McClain simply made this point known to me and I'm passing it along.

Great. During the 3rd wave of FA, you should really be able to pick the bones of some real jewels in return for waiting for a dead man walking.:gun:
 
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I'm not sure you're getting my point. It has nothing to do with McClain. You get comp picks for players lost. When you sign UFA's, your comp picks are adjusted downward; all part of an unknown formula. But to get maximum value for players lost, you wait until after May 9th to sign street free agents.

In all the discussion and comment on comp picks, I don't recall this point ever being made. McClain simply made this point known to me and I'm passing it along.

Seems like this point has been discussed each and every year..i.e. a team must lose more free agents than it signs (by some random date) before comp picks are awarded. Not sure what's new here at all.
 
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Jameis Winston, Ezekiel Elliott head All-Under-25 team

Quarterback: Jameis Winston, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Statistically, he is behind both Dak Prescott and Marcus Mariota. Yet Winston, the youngest of the three, is asked to do so much more on a football field in spite of that youth. He's already thrown nearly 300 more passes than Mariota, even though both came into the league the same year. (Of course, Mariota has missed some time due to injury -- but that's part of this equation, too.) Ultimately, Winston's lack of help -- juxtaposed with Mariota's luxury of leaning on a top-flight running game -- landed the Bucs QB a spot on this list. Asked one of our resident scouts here at NFL.com, Daniel Jeremiah, to rank them if he was starting an expansion team. "1) Winston, 2) Prescott, 3) Mariota. Obviously, it's really close." There you go.

Running back: Ezekiel Elliott, Dallas Cowboys
Maybe the best back in football. And while David Johnson might be more versatile, he is already too old to qualify for this team. Like Johnson, Zeke is an every-down back who does it all. In Year 1, all he did was pace the league in rushing while averaging 5.1 yards per carry. His coast-to-coast touchdown on a little screen pass against the Steelers showed what a threat Elliott is when the blocking is in place. On that note ... After a slow start, Elliott learned to wait on the blocking up front without trying to hit a home run on every carry. Hello, production.

Running back: Jordan Howard, Chicago Bears
The debate here is between Howard and Todd Gurley. Went with Howard, despite the fact that Gurley might be more gifted in terms of physical measurables. As fantastic as Gurley was during his rookie year, Howard was better. He ran for more yards, caught more passes and averaged more yards per carry than Gurley. Howard was an every-down, productive back -- in an offense that struggled through the air.

Wide receiver: Odell Beckham Jr., New York Giants
Hard to believe, but Beckham doesn't turn 25 until November. While his antics might be maddening at times, you can't overlook 35 touchdowns in three years. No young WR is even close. That said, 2016 represented career lows in yards per catch, touchdowns and yards per game. Let's see if Beckham gets as distracted in 2017. With a new teammate as unafraid to speak up as Beckham is brash, here's guessing the young wideout has more focus this season.

Wide receiver: Mike Evans, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Evans turned 21 in the preseason of his rookie year, so despite already catching 238 passes in the NFL, he won't turn 25 until August of 2018! Evans put up career highs in catches and yards last season, while leading the league in targets. There were times in 2016 when Evans represented the entire Bucs passing attack. The arrival of DeSean Jackson and continued development of TE Cameron Brate should only help Evans.

Tight end: Hunter Henry, Los Angeles Chargers
Easiest choice on the list of All-Under-25 players. The absence of quality young tight ends in pro football is palpable. Henry enjoyed big moments during his rookie season, despite being part of a TE timeshare with Antonio Gates. His eight touchdown receptions were second to Michael Thomas among ALL rookies. Also worth noting: Philip Rivers completed nearly 70 percent of the passes thrown Henry's way.

Offensive tackle: Jack Conklin, Tennessee Titans
Spoke to several folks in our bidness, including former GM Charley Casserly, who had Conklin rated higher than the more-lauded Laremy Tunsil heading into the 2016 draft. All Conklin did as a rookie was start all 16 games and make first-team All-Pro. Much credit should go to Hall of Famer Russ Grimm -- the Titans offensive line coach has helped the entire group maximize its potential.

Offensive tackle: Taylor Decker, Detroit Lions
Another fresh face makes the All-Under-25 Team for playing well beyond his years in Year 1. Decker did an outstanding job protecting Matt Stafford. Despite Stafford throwing the ball 594 times, Decker's man only got to the franchise quarterback four times. Pretty impressive. With Detroit adding guard T.J. Lang and tackle Ricky Wagner, this offensive line will be Built Ford Tough.

Guard: Ali Marpet, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
His name might sound more like the goth chick in "Breakfast Club," but Marpet can run over a lot of people (including high school wrestler Emilio Estevez). A product of tiny Hobart College, Marpet has started every game he's played in the NFL. Frankly, he probably should've gone higher than 61st overall, although he was the highest-drafted pick in the history of NCAA Division III football.

Guard: Trai Turner, Carolina Panthers
Could've gone with the Patriots' Shaq Mason here, who is only 23 years old and already owns a Super Bowl ring ... but versatility wins the day. Turner was a stud at guard for the Panthers' Super Bowl 50 team but shifted to tackle last year when Ron Rivera needed him to move. The footwork is all different. The assignments are all different. Although Turner struggled some, 32 teams would want a guy like this.

Center: Ryan Kelly, Indianapolis Colts
Man, there were a number of impactful rookies on the offensive line last year. Kelly helped a Colts unit filled with youth gel late in the season. Case in point: The must-win game in Minnesota, when Indy started three rookies up front without allowing so much as one sack against the vaunted Vikings defense. They shut out the Raiders the next week, too. Kelly didn't allow one all season.

Defensive end: Joey Bosa, Los Angeles Chargers
Not sure anyone thought Bosa was going to be this good, this fast. Despite missing four games last season -- his first in the NFL -- Bosa produced 10.5 sacks for the Chargers. Going beyond the sacks and hurries, he simply looked like the best player on the field at times. Remarkable, given he missed all of training camp and preseason due to a contract holdout.

Defensive end: Danielle Hunter, Minnesota Vikings
Hunter recorded 12.5 sacks and, according to Sam Monson at Pro Football Focus, 55 total hurries last season. The amazing deal with Hunter is that he was a rookie at 20 years old, so despite having already played two years in the league, he will turn all of 23 in October. You know what I was doing at 23? Driving a teal Ford Probe GT. Good grief.

Defensive tackle: Stephon Tuitt, Pittsburgh Steelers
The best player on the Steelers' defense, Tuitt is a difference-maker for defensive coordinator Keith Butler. Besides being a consummate space-eater in the middle, Tuitt is often able to get a push up front, racking up 10.5 sacks in just 28 games over the last two seasons. Also worth noting: Tuitt deflected three passes and forced two fumbles in 2016. An effective run-stopper, he was very good in that category two seasons ago when he recorded 54 tackles.

Defensive tackle: Leonard Williams, New York Jets
Everyone raves about Williams, who doesn't turn 23 until this summer! Despite playing a position not conducive to getting sacks, Williams recorded seven from the interior last year. Perhaps even more impressive was getting in on 68 tackles. Despite the Jets' poor season, Williams earned a trip to the Pro Bowl. Next up: first-team All-Pro? Yes, it's possible, even for a Jet. Be nice.

Defensive end/outside linebacker: Jadeveon Clowney, Houston Texans
Clowney started as an OLB, got moved to DE, then late last year was a classic hybrid. Even head coach Bill O'Brien acknowledges the Texans play him everywhere. So I don't know where the heck to put him on this team. Either way, we finally saw why he was the first overall pick in the 2014 draft. Despite being in a defense sans J.J. Watt and often drawing the most attention, Clowney was disruptive. Sure, he secured six sacks, but he was quietly an excellent player against the run. In fact, he tallied a respectable 52 tackles in just 14 games. Against the Raiders in the playoffs, he played like how a Megadeth album sounds ... on the line, standing up, in pursuit. Awesome.

Linebacker: Shane Ray, Denver Broncos
Ray made his presence known in the Broncos' defense last season filling in for an injured DeMarcus Ware. He posted eight sacks for defensive coordinator Wade Phillips despite playing part-time much of the season. With Ware's retirement this offseason, Ray will be counted on much more from new head coach Vance Joseph. Look for him to play about 900 downs in 2017.

Linebacker: Benardrick McKinney, Houston Texans
It seems like McKinney is the least talked about solid player in football. You don't see anything on him anywhere. This despite the fact that he totaled 129 tackles and five sacks for the league's top defense (at least in terms of yards). Very few inside linebackers put up that many tackles AND sacks. Just wait until the Texans' defense gets J.J. Watt back.

Linebacker: Deion Jones, Atlanta Falcons
Watching the first half of Super Bowl LI, you might have thought the best player on the field was No. 45 in red. Jones racked up nine tackles against the Patriots, finishing off a rookie season that saw him emerge as one of the NFL's better linebackers. All Jones did was record 108 tackles, three interceptions and two defensive scores. Yeah, so he deserves this nod. Word.

Cornerback: Marcus Peters, Kansas City Chiefs
Peters isn't playing around. In just two seasons, he's picked off 14 passes, taking two back for points. Fourteen. His strip job on Kelvin Benjamin pretty much won the day in Carolina back in November. That sounded weird, but you get the point. The most impressive aspect of Peters' game might be his ability to be instant offense on defense. Example: 343 career interception return yards. Already.

Cornerback: Jalen Ramsey, Jacksonville Jaguars
Yet another rookie to make the All-Under-25 list, Ramsey delivered as advertised last season in Jacksonville. He held his own in coverage for a freshman starter. The proof was in the puddin' with Ramsey's impact, as the pass defense went from 29th to fifth in one year. With Ramsey, Telvin Smith, Malik Jackson, A.J. Bouye and Myles Jack, the Jaguars' defense is bursting at the seams with young talent.

Safety: Landon Collins, New York Giants
Clearly Collins deserves a spot on this team when he not only made seemingly everyone's All-Pro team, but finished third in Defensive Player of the Year voting. Collins' statistical summary is worth marveling at ... 125 tackles, four sacks, five interceptions and a defensive touchdown that won the day in London. Simply put, he was easily the best safety in pro football in 2016. That boy good.

Safety: Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Green Bay Packers
Like Collins, Clinton-Dix put up impressive numbers last season. Green Bay's young safety (who turns 25 in December) picked off five passes and knocked down seven more while tallying 80 tackles for the Packers. In fact, that number was down from the previous two seasons, when he posted 100 and 92 tackles, respectively. This guy was the steady presence in Dom Capers' defense. Still a great football name, too.

Kicker: Wil Lutz, New Orleans Saints
The Saints seem to have found themselves a kicker in Lutz. Despite being a rookie, Lutz performed like a steady veteran, making 28 of 34 field-goal attempts. Bear in mind that four of those misses were from 50 yards or more. His only errant extra point was that now famous block against the Broncos. Otherwise, Lutz was perfect.

Punter: Bradley Pinion, San Francisco 49ers
Of course the one 49er to make the All-Under-25 team is a punter, though defensive end DeForest Buckner received serious consideration. Pinion darn near punted his leg off with 100 boots, averaging 44 yards per kick. Obviously, he was leaned on more than any punter in the game and did a heckuva job forcing fair catches instead of returns.

Returner: Tyreek Hill, Kansas City Chiefs
Our third special-teams rookie, Hill led the NFL in punt return yards (592), yards per punt return (15.2) and total return TDs (3). The speedster racked up more than 1,800 all-purpose yards for Andy Reid last season as an integral part of the Chiefs' offense. Perhaps most impressive was the fact Hill averaged 11.1 yards per carry on end arounds and the like. Look for Hill to move past his slow start in 2016 and be full go in 2017.

Just this one guy's opinion, but still pretty nice to see a couple of our own get a little national pub.

Also would be curious to know if he'd have had Hopkins beating out Evans if his birthday were just a few months later.
 
Jameis Winston, Ezekiel Elliott head All-Under-25 team



Just this one guy's opinion, but still pretty nice to see a couple of our own get a little national pub.

Also would be curious to know if he'd have had Hopkins beating out Evans if his birthday were just a few months later.

I'm more of a team oriented goals person.

I really don't care about players personal accolades and don't understand those that do. Do those accolades put any $$$$ in your bank account?
 
I'm not sure you're getting my point. It has nothing to do with McClain. You get comp picks for players lost. When you sign UFA's, your comp picks are adjusted downward; all part of an unknown formula. But to get maximum value for players lost, you wait until after May 9th to sign street free agents.

In all the discussion and comment on comp picks, I don't recall this point ever being made. McClain simply made this point known to me and I'm passing it along.

Those comp picks are really going to help the Texans win games over the 31 teams that are making moves in FA.

I'm sure BOB is thrilled with this offseason.
 
Seems like that McNair would want a GM whose splashy FA signings do work out. Like the Giants last yr for instance.

The lack of FA activity is an indictment on FO. It's like they're trying to fail. Maybe they use the cap $$$$ on reupping Clowney/Nuk at the expense of next season. If that's the plan then that plan stinks.
What FA starter did Texans miss out on? I have been impressed no throwing of millions at avg if that players. The mantra I have seen on MB and other commentators is the best plan is to re-sign your own FA unless $ outweighs ability. That seems to be what they are doing. Most seem to say we can get a RT in draft that will be able to start. We should also be able to draft solid backups for safety and corner, ILB and OLB with top 5 picks in 1st- 4th rounds. We should get more depth with our 5th. Seems to me that my plan for building Texans (mainly with draft picks and some UDFA's and 1-2 maybe three high profile FA) is what management is doing so at least for now, I'm not squawking.
 
I'm not sure you're getting my point. It has nothing to do with McClain. You get comp picks for players lost. When you sign UFA's, your comp picks are adjusted downward; all part of an unknown formula. But to get maximum value for players lost, you wait until after May 9th to sign street free agents.

In all the discussion and comment on comp picks, I don't recall this point ever being made. McClain simply made this point known to me and I'm passing it along.
I do not think most street FAs bring enough to lower any comp picks. We also know that an incoming FA does not necessarily cancel an outgoing FA. Unknown or not formula historically it seems that how the incoming FA performs determines the rank of a comp..if any
 
I'm more of a team oriented goals person.

I really don't care about players personal accolades and don't understand those that do. Do those accolades put any $$$$ in your bank account?

Uhh, was just having some fun with the guys I root for getting some recognition.

Didn't mean for my thinking that that was a nice thing to have to have brutally offended you.

Sincerely hope for both of us the Texans can recover from this disservice.
 
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What FA starter did Texans miss out on? I have been impressed no throwing of millions at avg if that players. The mantra I have seen on MB and other commentators is the best plan is to re-sign your own FA unless $ outweighs ability. That seems to be what they are doing. Most seem to say we can get a RT in draft that will be able to start. We should also be able to draft solid backups for safety and corner, ILB and OLB with top 5 picks in 1st- 4th rounds. We should get more depth with our 5th. Seems to me that my plan for building Texans (mainly with draft picks and some UDFA's and 1-2 maybe three high profile FA) is what management is doing so at least for now, I'm not squawking.
It is looking obvious now that Texans intend to target Romo - why wait otherwise?
Once they know how much he has cost them, they can then budget for other needs.
Btw, landing Romo will excite the fanbase like few FA's have done in this franchises history.
 
If I were more of a Romo fan, I would be frustrated at the "no movement". If we get him, we get him but for me, does nothing more than kick the can until next year. I am ok with saying this should be an all in year but the moves other than Romo are same with or without him in Texans uni.
 
It is looking obvious now that Texans intend to target Romo - why wait otherwise?
Once they know how much he has cost them, they can then budget for other needs.
Btw, landing Romo will excite the fanbase like few FA's have done in this franchises history.

Hopefully they're working Detroit's ear, trying to convince them into a trade for Stafford.
 
Uhh, was just having some fun with the guys I root for getting some recognition.

Didn't mean for my thinking that that was a nice thing to have to have brutally offended you.

Sincerely hope for both of us the Texans can recover from this disservice.

No offense taken

I'm just a team 1st kinda guy.

Some aren't, I get it.
 
What FA starter did Texans miss out on? I have been impressed no throwing of millions at avg if that players. The mantra I have seen on MB and other commentators is the best plan is to re-sign your own FA unless $ outweighs ability. That seems to be what they are doing. Most seem to say we can get a RT in draft that will be able to start. We should also be able to draft solid backups for safety and corner, ILB and OLB with top 5 picks in 1st- 4th rounds. We should get more depth with our 5th. Seems to me that my plan for building Texans (mainly with draft picks and some UDFA's and 1-2 maybe three high profile FA) is what management is doing so at least for now, I'm not squawking.

31 other teams would disagree with this post.
 
I'm assuming you meant 31 teams disagree with FAs missed not the draft part? If so, name players we "missed" on.

Fact is the Texans/Ricky McNair haven't even talked with a single FA. 31 other teams have signed FA's. I would really like to know what Ricky McNair's strategy is? Looks like he's doing his best to get BOB fired.

BTW, I've already named a couple of FA's out there that are currently on the market that would be huge upgrades to to the defense that should come at a fairly cheap price. Meaning you could add them and bring in Romo. Check out my previous posts to find out about these guys.
 
Ok, sure. But looking at what differently Being recognized for doing one's job well?

And you brought up the team first stuff, so it stands to reason you found some applicable reason here to do so.

I could care less about what individual accolades players get. I only care about how the team does. If the Texans won a SB and didn't have a single pro bowler it wouldn't matter to me. I realize most people look at this differently.

Hope this helps you understand my thought process.
 
I'm more of a team oriented goals person.

I really don't care about players personal accolades and don't understand those that do. Do those accolades put any $$$$ in your bank account?

It puts money in the players accounts and maybe a bit of feelgood for players and locker room along with fans that want to be proud of their team. What they accomplish individually stats wise doesn't affect me personally other than as a chance to feel good like I would for any Houston Artist/Player/Personality being recognized
 
I could care less about what individual accolades players get. I only care about how the team does. If the Texans won a SB and didn't have a single pro bowler it wouldn't matter to me. I realize most people look at this differently.

Hope this helps you understand my thought process.

So your whole point was just to let everyone know that you'd like to win it all just as much as them? Well, ok. Thanks.
 
Not my point at all and you know that.

No, I don't. Because I don't know why you bothered announcing any team first-dom stuff while trying to poo poo on the mere recognition for some guys' hard work. And then trying to passively suggest whomever may not be as team first as you.

Barring all that I don't really know your point to begin with, steel.
 
No, I don't. Because I don't know why you bothered announcing any team first-dom stuff while trying to poo poo on the mere recognition for some guys' hard work. And then trying to passively suggest whomever may not be as team first as you.

Barring all that I don't really know your point to begin with, steel.

I'm not passively aggressively doing sh!t. You should know me ell enough by now to know that I'm not a passive aggressive type person. People know where I stand, or should.

My fault, I misjudged how well I thought you knew me.

BTW, my thoughts still stand, I don't care much for individual awards. I think those awards were some of the things that held the Oilers back from being all they could be. JMO.
 
I'm not passively aggressively doing sh!t. You should know me ell enough by now to know that I'm not a passive aggressive type person. People know where I stand, or should.

My fault, I misjudged how well I thought you knew me.

BTW, my thoughts still stand, I don't care much for individual awards. I think those awards were some of the things that held the Oilers back from being all they could be. JMO.

I'm more of a team oriented goals person.

I really don't care about players personal accolades and don't understand those that do. Do those accolades put any $$$$ in your bank account?

No offense taken

I'm just a team 1st kinda guy.

Some aren't, I get it.

Whomever 'those' 'some' are would disagree, but ok.
 
What FA starter did Texans miss out on? I have been impressed no throwing of millions at avg if that players. The mantra I have seen on MB and other commentators is the best plan is to re-sign your own FA unless $ outweighs ability. That seems to be what they are doing. Most seem to say we can get a RT in draft that will be able to start. We should also be able to draft solid backups for safety and corner, ILB and OLB with top 5 picks in 1st- 4th rounds. We should get more depth with our 5th. Seems to me that my plan for building Texans (mainly with draft picks and some UDFA's and 1-2 maybe three high profile FA) is what management is doing so at least for now, I'm not squawking.
It is looking obvious now that Texans intend to target Romo - why wait otherwise?
Once they know how much he has cost them, they can then budget for other needs.
Btw, landing Romo will excite the fanbase like few FA's have done in this franchises history.
Hopefully they're working Detroit's ear, trying to convince them into a trade for Stafford.
Hmm...bet that would cost a pretty penny.
I am not leaving any possibility out - including working a trade for Alex Smith.
Knowing our luck we will end up with Glennon.
One more possibility I was thinking about was a trade for Jacoby Brisset.
 
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