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Texans trade Osweiller to Browns

paycheck71 said:
The Browns are still going to eat Brock's contract on their cap if they trade him away. This wouldn't have worked for the Texans
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Could have waiting to try to get a 3 way trade going, try to get more from this deal.

Or you know, just not make this move at all.
 
If the browns trade Brock again and get more picks, then that shows me rick is being played by the whole damn league. And morey got hired by browns to be advisor


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TexansSeminole said:
So, I'm assuming we are going to sign Romo and he's going to get injured again.

Would this do it? Would this finally be enough to move on to a different GM? Sadly, I don't think it would.
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What if we get Peyton Manning level production like the Broncos gambled on. I would rather roll the dice on getting a shot at that type of QB play rather than trot out the garbage that is Osweiler and hope a guy like Mahomes is ready even though he needs some time to be groomed. What would you have rather them do? Signing Osweiler was moronic and Rick and BOB deserve to lose their jobs for it. Unfortunately, we still have both and trying to deal with aftermath of their stupidity.
 
We made a huge mistake with Oz (called it), and what does our front office do?

"We have 3 options ... let him occupy a roster spot for a season as a competent(ish) backup for a year and cut him next year. Admit our mistake and cut him now, just eat the cap loss for 1 season and move on. ORRRRR we can do something really stupid - we could get rid of him, have to eat a large part of his contract AND give another team draft picks!!!"

(is it possible to die laughing?)
 
Don't get me wrong I am elated that there is NO CHANCE Osweiler will ever play for The Texans, but I would have been happy if they'd just bench his sorry ass or release him out right.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I think that's only for the team waiving him, not the team that acquires him thereafter. Not 100% sure though.

If you know different, can you provide a link? I'm always looking for additional comp pick information.
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Insideop said:
Are you sure about this? If he's cut he's a FA, right?
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Scooter said:
If Romo gets cut, that makes him a free agent. We would be bringing in a starter of high contract value, offsetting the loss of Bouye. I'm sure there is going to be another free agent or two as well, so I don't expect comp picks to be something we look forward to.
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ChampionTexan is correct, it is ONLY expiring contracts. Cut/waived players do not benefit the cutting team.

I'm certain it is the rule but also it is common sense that they aren't going to reward you for cutting playerss. It's about losses to the market v. gains from the market. There was someone competing for Bouye and we lost. Nobody is competing when you dump a player.
 
zshawn10 said:
Aaron Wilson

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Rick Smith statement on Brock Osweiler trade: 'We are committed to bring a championship to the city of Houston.'

3:29 PM - 9 Mar 2017

patrick

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"The decision to trade Brock was made because it was in the best interest of the team.” Rick Smith #Texans

3:29 PM - 9 Mar 2017


patrick

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"We continuously evaluate our decisions and processes to ensure the results match our goals and objectives.” Rick Smith #Texans

3:30 PM - 9 Mar 2017
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A cardinal business rule is to cut your loses. The Texans rolled the dice with Oz, which was a positive move, but they had the ***** to cut their loses when the signing turned bad. Great move on Smith's part.
 
infantrycak said:
ChampionTexan is correct, it is ONLY expiring contracts. Cut/waived players do not benefit the cutting team.

I'm certain it is the rule but also it is common sense that they aren't going to reward you for cutting playerss. It's about losses to the market v. gains from the market. There was someone competing for Bouye and we lost. Nobody is competing when you dump a player.
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But that's not the question.

The question is that after he is cut and another teams signs him, does that team have to factor the signing into their comp pick formula? Does he count as an addition that can cancel out Bouye's contract?
 
Dutchrudder said:
The Browns draft picks post-trade:
2017 - 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6
2018 - 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 4, 5, 6, 6, 7
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Browns always have loads of picks and yet they're always trash. Almost as if if management and scouting matters more than picks.

Wish sports teams would get that.
 
Perspective.

They took a chance and it failed. I'm still glad they tried.

1. We paid $21 million last year (none of this affects us going forward)

2. Paid a 2018 2nd rd pick

3. Gained a 4th rd this year

All to take a daring chance.

I'm not seeing any of this as too bad really.

Sucks he didn't work out.
 
Dutchrudder said:
The Browns draft picks post-trade:
2017 - 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6
2018 - 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 4, 5, 6, 6, 7
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I am still waiting to see an explanation about how thisrade affected our cap. We gave up picks for some reason... But I still don't see any explanation given about how this will have less impact on the cap than cutting him... Or making him a June 1st cut. Curious...
 
This time next year you will say we gave up a 2nd rd pick in this years draft so we could trade Brock. Then it will dawn on you that if we had just kept him, Brock and O'Brien would both be gone this time next year, $25 Million would drop off the books and you would still have a 2nd rd draft pick. In 2016 you shot yourself in the left foot, In 2017 you shot yourself in the right foot and in 2018 you shot yourself in the dick.
 
Number19 said:
A cardinal business rule is to cut your loses. The Texans rolled the dice with Oz, which was a positive move, but they had the ***** to cut their loses when the signing turned bad. Great move on Smith's part.
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Cutting our losses would've been cutting Osweiler - we didn't need to trade a high value asset for the privilege.
 
So how do people grade this trade if we use this cap space on Romo and he gets injured again? We basically would have spent tens of millions of cap plus a high draft pick to start Tom Savage (who was on the team the entire time).

I'm not saying dumping Osweiler was an awful move but we seem to be compounding mistakes.
 
Number19 said:
A cardinal business rule is to cut your loses. The Texans rolled the dice with Oz, which was a positive move, but they had the ***** to cut their loses when the signing turned bad. Great move on Smith's part.
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I don't think Jimmy Johnson was thinking that you should give up a 2nd rd draft pick to make your FUBARS go away.
 
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Someone explain how this trade preserved more cap space than cutting him? I have see no explanation, yet people act as if it is common knowledge.
 
Consider the trade like this: Texans gave 6th rd pick this year plus a probable late 2nd rd pick next year for a very early 4th rd pick this year. Also, Texans get rid of the worst starting qb in the league and generate significant cap room.
 
WolverineFan said:
So how do people grade this trade if we use this cap space on Romo and he gets injured again? We basically would have spent tens of millions of cap plus a high draft pick to start Tom Savage (who was on the team the entire time).

I'm not saying dumping Osweiler was an awful move but we seem to be compounding mistakes.
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IF the cap space is used on Romo.
 
dalemurphy said:
Someone explain how this trade preserved more cap space than cutting him? I have see no explanation, yet people act as if it is common knowledge.
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I would like to know this as well. Somehow it does to some degree, but I thought just as with cutting a player that the trading team would be on the hook for guaranteed money.
 
Benjamin Allbright
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The #Browns are seriously getting calls about Brock Osweiler.


LULZ... If they flip him for another pick by eating part of his 16m, I will be pretty happy.
 
WolverineFan said:
These are our picks post-trade...

1 (25)
2 (57)
3 (89)
4 (108)
4 (131)
5 (169)
7 (243)
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So that 4th round pick from the Browns is virtually a low third-rounder.
So now what about the Brock era in H-Town ? He won a W-C PO game for us and took us to the divisional championship after winning the division title and if not for 2 of his passes being dropped in the EZ by Texans' receivers who knows how that Pats game would have ultimately turned out ?
 
infantrycak said:
ChampionTexan is correct, it is ONLY expiring contracts. Cut/waived players do not benefit the cutting team.

I'm certain it is the rule but also it is common sense that they aren't going to reward you for cutting playerss. It's about losses to the market v. gains from the market. There was someone competing for Bouye and we lost. Nobody is competing when you dump a player.
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That makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.
 
I must say, the Texans dug themselves out of the Osweiller hole quite nicely. I've never been sold on Romo, but he is head-and-shoulders above Brock, and with the Texans' defense this could turn the Texans' future around for the best.
 
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Scooter said:
I would like to know this as well. Somehow it does to some degree, but I thought just as with cutting a player that the trading team would be on the hook for guaranteed money.
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No trading a player trades the whole contract unless negotiated within the trade via sending cash to team. The NFL has semi guaranteed contracts meaning you can't just cut players outright and not have to pay portion of contract. This trade cleared the Texans books 100 percent of Brock's contract ............ I think


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Dutchrudder said:
The Browns draft picks post-trade:
2017 - 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6
2018 - 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 4, 5, 6, 6, 7
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That's impressive. In the long-run they won't be able to keep those players under contract and the salary-cap, so they should bundle a few and move up to get players they really need.
 
sandman said:
IF the cap space is used on Romo.
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Agreed but that seems to be the way this is heading. I assume they're using it on a QB otherwise they paid $20M+ and a 2nd round pick to start a guy (Savage) who was already on the team. That's a fireable offense.
 
pirbroke said:
No trading a player trades the whole contract unless negotiated within the trade via sending cash to team. The NFL has semi guaranteed contracts meaning you can't just cut players outright and not have to pay portion of contract. This trade cleared the Texans books 100 percent of Brock's contract ............ I think


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A trade does not trade away the signing bonus, because the bonus has already been paid.... Therefore, the original team is on the hook for that cap hit.
 
Scooter said:
Cutting our losses would've been cutting Osweiler - we didn't need to trade a high value asset for the privilege.
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The 2nd is next year's. The future will take care of itself. This year, we get rid of Brock, gain cap space and move up from bottom of 6 to 4-1. All positives and no negatives.
 
Cerberus said:
That's impressive. In the long-run they won't be able to keep those players under contract and the salary-cap, so they should bundle a few and move up to get players they really need.
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Browns may be cutting both RG III and Osweiler then bundling the required picks to take Garoppolo off the Patriots hands. Heck, they've already made massive upgrades to their OL as well. They draft a RB and this team could be in store for a big turnaround by 2019.
 
I'm not real knowledgeable on the cap, but on the NFL channel, Rich Eisen said the Texans were clearing $7 million in cap room in the deal & another guy said they were possibly going to use the extra cap to sign Romo.
 
pirbroke said:
But that's been paid, its over right?


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No (it paid for, but it's not over).. the cap hit on a signing bonus is divided by the number of years of the deal. For instance, a $30 million signing bonus on a 5 year deal = $6 mil per year cap hit... that evenly divided # is added to the salary of each given year to create the total $ cap hit for that year. When a player is traded, the team no longer is responsible for the salary, However, the remaining cap hit is rolled into the front year's cap hit (or rolled into the first two years' cap hit evenly if designated as a June 1 cut).
 
dalemurphy said:
No.. the cap hit on a signing bonus is divided by the number of years of the deal. For instance, a $30 million signing bonus on a 5 year deal = $6 mil per year cap hit... that evenly divided # is added to the salary of each given year to create the total $ cap hit for that year. When a player is traded, the team no longer is responsible for the salary, However, the remaining cap hit is rolled into the front year's cap hit (or rolled into the first two years' cap hit evenly if designated as a June 1 cut).
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Ok gotcha, his sighting bonus was 12 mil


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Texian said:
Not only did the Texans sign Brock Osweiler as free agent, they just gave Cleveland a 2018 2nd rd draft pick to do so. And then they traded him to Cleveland for a 2017 4th rd draft pick. You can't make this **** up.
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So you wanted the Texans to keep Osweiler to be our starter in 2017??
 
michaelm said:
So, the word is that Cleveland might just cut Osweiler in an NBA style move. Basically they traded the cash equivilent of Brock's contract for a second round pick.

Now, Elway can put his money where his equestrian-like mouth is, and sign Osweiler as a free agent. Full circle, yo.
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Man, I didn't think about that. Lol!
 
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