Is Tom Savage A Long Term Option?

[ObsiWan]

I dug up that "grainy old film" of Savage's Ohara high school highlights (mentioned in the article above)...........pretty impressive even then.

I know this was a highlight reel so the bad throws and the INTs weren't be shown. But the kid was pretty accurate on the move and pretty decisive once he picked a target. Man, given the not-so-hot shape of our O-line, I'd love to see some play action roll outs.

 

[TexansBull]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...avage-im-going-to-have-some-fun-and-go-rip-it

Between Jamtex and EllisUnit I am now starting to get a second hand high and believe this kid is the one that was prophesized to bring balance to our team.

 

[Texansphan]

The only thing that worries me is the fact Texans spent 72M on BO when they had Savage sitting there in the wings.
The only thing I can think of is that he demonstrated on Sunday that he has gained enough grasp in the ensuing period and now enjoys a nice level of comfort in Bill's system.
This would also explain why Bill virtually abandoned the run - perhaps to see just how much he did know throwing the pellet.

 

[Thorsson]

A team with the #4 passing defense (after last week), #5 scoring defense. And say what you want but no they didn't quit. You saying that shows how small you are with your Weeden obsession. You weren't here before he got here and you won't be here when he's gone. Thankfully

I'm not the only one who said the Jaguars quit. If you ask me, their offense quit. They put zero pressure on the Texans when they could've gone for the knockout punch.

 

[Thorsson]

Are you related to Weeden? Is this another case of Hulk75?

No! I'm just competitive and want to win, and I feel Weeden gives the team the best shot. I remember months ago getting ridiculed when I was exposing Osweiler for the joke that he is. Well, I was 100% right on about that and no one is doubting my Osweiler comments now!

 

[thunderkyss]

Well, I was 100% right on about that and no one is doubting my Osweiler comments now!

I am.


But that's what I do.

 

[steelbtexan]

I'm calling my shot.

Savage is the answer.

2 Caveats,

1. McNair doesn't make BOB start Os, or play a drafted QB right off of the bat.
2. Savage can stay injury free. (My biggest doubt.)

 

[JB]

I'm calling my shot.

Savage is the answer.

2 Caveats,

1. McNair doesn't make BOB start Os or play a drafted QB right off of the bat.
2. Savage can stay injury free. (My biggest doubt.

That's a big step for you. I applaud you

 

[steelbtexan]

That's a big step for you. I applaud you

I just liked his poise/accuracy/arm strength.

1st time I've ever done this off of so little evidence.

I thought Schaub/Mallett would be good, but wanted to wait and see. I missed badly on Mallett (Headcase) and was right about Schaub.

Savage is Schaub with a much better arm. Hopefully Savage will be better than Schaub when the lights are the brightest.

 

[thunderkyss]

I just liked his poise/accuracy/arm strength.

1st time I've ever done this off of so little evidence.

I thought Schaub/Mallett would be good, but wanted to wait and see. I missed badly on Mallett (Headcase) and was right about Schaub.

Savage is Schaub with a much better arm. Hopefully Savage will be better than Schaub when the lights are the brightest.

That's it... I'm in too. Pass the Koolaid

 

[steelbtexan]

That's it... I'm in too. Pass the Koolaid

They say that it usually takes 4-5 games before DC's catch up to new QB's. I hope that's the case, because that would mean atleast the AFC championship game.

How do you like that for some koolaid. (LOL, Chris Clark isn't good at football and is the starting RT.)

 

[Bane]

I'm not the only one who said the Jaguars quit. If you ask me, their offense quit. They put zero pressure on the Texans when they could've gone for the knockout punch.

Their offense didn't do much of anything the entire game. Without the two turnovers that gave them
field position on the Texans end of the field and a kick off return they never would have been in that game in the first place.

 

[EllisUnit]

I'm not the only one who said the Jaguars quit. If you ask me, their offense quit. They put zero pressure on the Texans when they could've gone for the knockout punch.

Or maybe our defense stopped them....that's a thought !

 

[Texecutioner]

That's it... I'm in too. Pass the Koolaid

And when you get it, you take a long gulp.

 

[austins23]

Or maybe our defense stopped them....that's a thought !

Our defense has stopped lots of offenses this year. Unfortunate that the offense hasn't caught up. Nobody, I mean NOBODY is giving this team any credit. All the talking heads are all up in the Titans butt. I hate the Tacks! I hope the Texans beat the hell outta both the Bengals and the Titans.

I hope Savage plays well. One thing for sure, that team sure had an extra skip in its step when Savage came in. To me, it was very evident. Let's hope it carries over for the next 6 games!

 

[Carr Bombed]

If you're Tom Savage's agent - do you accept any contract that has less guaranteed money than BO's if Savages starts all 16 next year? I think Brick has established a starting point for Savages contract negotiations.

We can franchise him for how multiple years, that's your leverage in nogotiation. Doubt he gets the FA contract until after next season (after he proves himself for awhile) Osweiler got his and even if he does that will be years from now.)

 

[ObsiWan]

I just liked his poise/accuracy/arm strength.

1st time I've ever done this off of so little evidence.

I thought Schaub/Mallett would be good, but wanted to wait and see. I missed badly on Mallett (Headcase) and was right about Schaub.

Savage is Schaub with a much better arm. Hopefully Savage will be better than Schaub when the lights are the brightest.

They say that it usually takes 4-5 games before DC's catch up to new QB's. I hope that's the case, because that would mean atleast the AFC championship game.

How do you like that for some koolaid. (LOL, Chris Clark isn't good at football and is the starting RT.)

You're on the Savage band wagon??
damn.... where's that faints dead away smiley?

oh yeah, here it is.....



oh what the hell, give me a band wagon ticket too

 

[Insideop]

You're on the Savage band wagon??
damn.... where's that faints dead away smiley?

oh yeah, here it is.....



oh what the hell, give me a band wagon ticket too

Man, it's going to be bad around here if Savage comes out and "screws the pooch" against the Bengals. Oh what the heck. Give me another shot of that and load me up on that bandwagon too!

 

[Grams]

Well, we all have been wanting a QB change for a while now. Now that it finally happened, the optimism is creeping back into the fans.

We al know we have a better team that what the media is saying/predicting, we are all hoping that this is the spark that carries up onward and upward.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

I was a huge Savage fan when we drafted him. I really thought the plan was going to be to have Fitzy hold down the QB spot for a couple of years and develop Savage. And then the Mallet thing happened. And then the Hoyer thing happened. And when they spent all that money on Osweiler and didn't even seem to give Savage a second thought, I figured they must be seeing things with him in practice that were not good, some lack of development or something.

Now, I can understand why they'd send Os out there even though Savage was better: if they thought Os would just develop with some PT and that this was the best way to bring him along. But his steady degradation has all the hallmarks of someone becoming more and more paralyzed by analysis, so afraid to make the same mistakes over again that they lose the ability to do good things and spiral down into failure.

I was expecting them to make the switch at the bye. When they didn't and when Savage had that whole mysterious staph infection thing, I figured we were doomed to Osweiler this year no matter what. I was shocked and excited and happy when the TV was showing Osweiler standing on the sideline and not going out with the offense.

At this point, I'm afraid to get my hopes up. I think Savage can play. I think he knows this offense and can run it. I think he can be a 10 year starter, face of the franchise QB.

But I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop. Like SteelB, the injuries scare me. Especially with how Savage is willing to stand in there and chuck the ball in the face of pressure.

 

[76Texan]

Our defense has stopped lots of offenses this year. Unfortunate that the offense hasn't caught up. Nobody, I mean NOBODY is giving this team any credit. All the talking heads are all up in the Titans butt. I hate the Tacks! I hope the Texans beat the hell outta both the Bengals and the Titans.

I hope Savage plays well. One thing for sure, that team sure had an extra skip in its step when Savage came in. To me, it was very evident. Let's hope it carries over for the next 6 games!

That's only recently that the talking heads are pumping the Tacks.

At the beginning of the year, most of them (or many) pegged the Texans to win the division, with the Colts as the challenger, the Jags third and the Tacks dead last.

Me, I had the Tacks as the challenger and the Jags last.
I saw Conklin as a legitimate OT.
With the signing of D. Murray and the drafting of Henry, I figured their offense to be very solid.

It's just a matter if their D can hold up.

I really hate that they will have a ton of money next year to improve the D.

 

[Joeseafus]

I was a huge Savage fan when we drafted him. I really thought the plan was going to be to have Fitzy hold down the QB spot for a couple of years and develop Savage. And then the Mallet thing happened. And then the Hoyer thing happened. And when they spent all that money on Osweiler and didn't even seem to give Savage a second thought, I figured they must be seeing things with him in practice that were not good, some lack of development or something.

Now, I can understand why they'd send Os out there even though Savage was better: if they thought Os would just develop with some PT and that this was the best way to bring him along. But his steady degradation has all the hallmarks of someone becoming more and more paralyzed by analysis, so afraid to make the same mistakes over again that they lose the ability to do good things and spiral down into failure.

I was expecting them to make the switch at the bye. When they didn't and when Savage had that whole mysterious staph infection thing, I figured we were doomed to Osweiler this year no matter what. I was shocked and excited and happy when the TV was showing Osweiler standing on the sideline and not going out with the offense.

At this point, I'm afraid to get my hopes up. I think Savage can play. I think he knows this offense and can run it. I think he can be a 10 year starter, face of the franchise QB.

But I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop. Like SteelB, the injuries scare me. Especially with how Savage is willing to stand in there and chuck the ball in the face of pressure.

Double edged sword to stand in the pocket, pressure in face, and to make the throw... Nice post. Here's to a good draft next year with some O-line picks.

 

[Earl34]

Besides Peyton Manning, when was the last time a free agent QB led his new team to a Super Bowl?

So, based on NFL history,we have a better chance of getting to a Super Bowl with Savage than with Osweiler. So, I hope Savage is the long term option.

 

[thunderkyss]

Besides Peyton Manning, when was the last time a free agent QB led his new team to a Super Bowl?

.

There was Drew Brees. Then Steve Young, I think.

 

[infantrycak]

Besides Peyton Manning, when was the last time a free agent QB led his new team to a Super Bowl?

So, based on NFL history,we have a better chance of getting to a Super Bowl with Savage than with Osweiler. So, I hope Savage is the long term option.

Drew Brees
Brad Johnson
Trent Dilfer
Kurt Warner

Since 1990

But your conclusion doesn't really flow. Starter quality QBs rarely hit free agency. Brock's name is pooh here now but Elway and Kubiak were going to roll out an only slightly smaller Brink's truck to have him not be a FA. Methinks Brock made a poor choice coming here for a few more dollars.

 

[infantrycak]

There was Drew Brees. Then Steve Young, I think.

Steve Young was a trade to the Niners.

Getting into the NFL was complicated.

 

[Earl34]

Drew Brees
Brad Johnson
Trent Dilfer
Kurt Warner

Since 1990

But your conclusion doesn't really flow. Starter quality QBs rarely hit free agency. Brock's name is pooh here now but Elway and Kubiak were going to roll out an only slightly smaller Brink's truck to have him not be a FA. Methinks Brock made a poor choice coming here for a few more dollars.

Flawed or not. Four times in 26 years? I'll take my chances with Savage.

 

[infantrycak]

Flawed or not. Four times in 26 years? I'll take my chances with Savage.

5 times. It was Manning plus those 4.

How many times since 1990 did a 4th or lower draft pick win? Take your chances? That would be 6 with 4 of them being Brady.

Flawed argument.

If you look at it by QB it's 5 v.3 in favor of FAs.

 

[bigmck]

The only thing that worries me is the fact Texans spent 72M on BO when they had Savage sitting there in the wings.
The only thing I can think of is that he demonstrated on Sunday that he has gained enough grasp in the ensuing period and now enjoys a nice level of comfort in Bill's system.
This would also explain why Bill virtually abandoned the run - perhaps to see just how much he did know throwing the pellet.

Let's blame it on Rick Smith, it is his fault, yea Fire Him...............

 

[bigmck]

The only thing that worries me is the fact Texans spent 72M on BO when they had Savage sitting there in the wings.
The only thing I can think of is that he demonstrated on Sunday that he has gained enough grasp in the ensuing period and now enjoys a nice level of comfort in Bill's system.
This would also explain why Bill virtually abandoned the run - perhaps to see just how much he did know throwing the pellet.

Let's blame it on Rick Smith, it is his fault, yea Fire Him...............

 

[DocBar]

5 times. It was Manning plus those 4.

How many times since 1990 did a 4th or lower draft pick win? Take your chances? That would be 6 with 4 of them being Brady.

Flawed argument.

However unlikely it is, I still hope Savage is the long term answer just so the Texans finally have a long term answer since Schaub had Fat Albert ruin his career.

I don't care if the Answer answers to Quasimodo as long as he keeps the Texans in serious Super Bowl (as opposed to Superb Owl) contention year in, year out for a decade or more. If he plays well the rest of this season, he deserves a shot to show that he is.
If Savage Working from a touch pad, so cut me some slack on grammatical errors. lol

 

[infantrycak]

No Texan fan cares where they come from if it works. We were having a discussion about where to look until you have the after action proof you have the guy.

 

[DocBar]

No Texan fan cares where they come from if it works. We were having a discussion about where to look until you have the after action proof you have the guy.

Kind of a chicken or egg situation there. I'm in the "happy to see what kind of chicken the egg (Savage) turns into" camp and I'm on record with this for a couple of years now.
That's not a forward thinking "I told you so", but an honest assessment of what I've seen when he's been on the field whether in the preseason or regular season. I like the fact that I've seen continual improvement from him and that it has been dramatic year to year.

 

[Texansphan]

Kind of a chicken or egg situation there. I'm in the "happy to see what kind of chicken the egg (Savage) turns into" camp and I'm on record with this for a couple of years now.
That's not a forward thinking "I told you so", but an honest assessment of what I've seen when he's been on the field whether in the preseason or regular season. I like the fact that I've seen continual improvement from him and that it has been dramatic year to year.

Hopefully it will be a mighty bird of prey, and not a chicken.

 

[Hervoyel]

After last night it's still "maybe" in my mind.

 

[bigmck]

After last night it's still "maybe" in my mind.

Savage looks a lot better than Os when he goes back to pass. This Draft needs to emphasis OL to keep the Savage improvement going.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

As much as the homer media and fans have repeatedly lauded our OL, when we finally come against a strong D, the warts pop up all over the place and they individually reveal their true colors.


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Texans' offensive line ineffectual against Bengals


December 24, 2016 Updated: December 24, 2016 11:29pm


The Texans' offensive line was completely [fill in the blank] against the Cincinnati Bengals' formidable defensive front Saturday.

During a 12-10 win, new starting quarterback Tom Savage was sacked four times and hit 10 times overall.

They allowed three sacks in the first quarter alone, making it virtually impossible for Savage to get into any semblance of a rhythm early in the game.

"It's not an easy defense to go against," Pro Bowl alternate left offensive tackle Duane Brown said. "They did a lot of adjustments, a lot of moving around to try to throw him off, throw us off up front. We've got to continue to protect better and sit those guys down so Tom has time to operate. When he has time to operate, he can make some big-time throws. We're all in this together."

Pro Bowl defensive tackle Geno Atkins busted through a shoddy block by right guard Jeff Allen to sack Savage in the first half.

Atkins leads all NFL interior defensive linemen with 8½ sacks. He had 11 sacks last season to again lead the NFL in that category and is regarded as one of the most disruptive defensive tackles in the league.

During the first quarter, defensive lineman Wallace Gilberry had 1½ sacks and two quarterback hits.

Defensive end Michael Johnson combined with Gilberry for the Bengals' other sack. Left guard Xavier Su'a-Filo was beaten on the play.

During the first half, Savage completed just 2 of 7 passes for 13 yards and was hit five times. The offensive line was brutally bad, and simply no match for the Bengals' pass rushers.

Savage had a 39.6 passer rating. He averaged just 1.9 yards per passing attempt. It was a staggeringly bad display of blocking.

The Texans managed just 34 yards of total offense and two first downs in the first half as they fell behind 3-0 by halftime.

The Texans rushed for only 39 yards on 13 carries, averaging three yards per run as Alfred Blue had little room to operate and gained just 28 yards on 11 carries.

The blocking improved in the second half, though.

They finished the game with 95 rushing yards on 24 carries as Blue rushed for 73 yards on 21 carries, including a game-winning 24-yard touchdown run.

The Texans operated in a no-huddle attack in the second half to try to protect Savage better. He finished the game 18 of 29 for 176 yards, no touchdowns and no interceptions for a 79.1 passer rating.

"We went to no-huddle, he was able to get rid of the ball a little bit quicker," Texans coach Bill O'Brien said. "With no-huddle our pace our rhythm, it was a good job by the offensive staff of getting him into a rhythm."

 

[Thorsson]

It seems the same people getting excited about Savage are the same ones who got excited about signing Osweiler for $80 million. The fact is, Savage could only produce 12 points at home against a depleted Bengals team that the Browns scored 17 on! I'm calling it right here: Savage is not the answer.

Yes, Savage is a much better option than the most overpaid QB in NFL history, but c'mon, in 7 NFL quarters he hasn't thrown a single TD and has lived off the spoils of his team's stellar defense. Savage would be getting torn a new one today if not for the Bengals' pathetic kicker missing an easy field goal to end the game.

 

[Wolfiegrrl]

Thorsson, you have to fix the OL first before you say that Savage is not the answer. The Bengals treated out OL like turn stiles. I think Savage did a hell of a job not getting rattled with as many sacks and hits that he took last night.

And that same OL didn't do anxious Oz any favors throughout the season. Bad line + Bad Play calling = Crap play at QB. Its a mathematical fact.

 

[TheRealJoker]

Steelers had to settle for 6 FGs last week against the Bengals.

Just sayin...

 

[thunderkyss]

As much as the homer media and fans have repeatedly lauded our OL, when we finally come against a strong D, the warts pop up all over the place and they individually reveal their true colors.

First, who's been "lauding" our offensive line?

Second, I think the second half proved we can work around those deficiencies if the coaching staff gets their head out of their butts.

 

[thunderkyss]

Thorsson, you have to fix the OL first before you say that Savage is not the answer. The Bengals treated out OL like turn stiles. I think Savage did a hell of a job not getting rattled with as many sacks and hits that he took last night.

And that same OL didn't do anxious Oz any favors throughout the season. Bad line + Bad Play calling = Crap play at QB. Its a mathematical fact.

Good post.

Still, Savage is missing a lot, just like Osweiler. There were better choices to be made, he just didn't see them. Hopefully he'll get them corrected in much less time that Osweiler didn't.

He could have had a really, really good game had he read the defense differently & started his progressions differently.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

First, who's been "lauding" our offensive line?

Second, I think the second half proved we can work around those deficiencies if the coaching staff gets their head out of their butts.

All the Chronicle and Houston Texans writers weekly.

The second point, I agree with.

 

[Mollywhopper]

It seems the same people getting excited about Savage are the same ones who got excited about signing Osweiler for $80 million. The fact is, Savage could only produce 12 points at home against a depleted Bengals team that the Browns scored 17 on! I'm calling it right here: Savage is not the answer.

Yes, Savage is a much better option than the most overpaid QB in NFL history, but c'mon, in 7 NFL quarters he hasn't thrown a single TD and has lived off the spoils of his team's stellar defense. Savage would be getting torn a new one today if not for the Bengals' pathetic kicker missing an easy field goal to end the game.

So you would've sat Tom Brady after his first two starts?

 

[Thorn]

Savage, Weedon, the assheimer, we still don't have a quality QB and still have to find one in the off season.

Again.

******* story of our lives with this franchise.

 

[Texas Jake]

It seems the same people getting excited about Savage are the same ones who got excited about signing Osweiler for $80 million. The fact is, Savage could only produce 12 points at home against a depleted Bengals team that the Browns scored 17 on! I'm calling it right here: Savage is not the answer.

Yes, Savage is a much better option than the most overpaid QB in NFL history, but c'mon, in 7 NFL quarters he hasn't thrown a single TD and has lived off the spoils of his team's stellar defense. Savage would be getting torn a new one today if not for the Bengals' pathetic kicker missing an easy field goal to end the game.

7 quarters of football is too few to know anything. You are too blinded by your Weeden man-love to be objective about any QB.

 

[thunderkyss]

Savage, Weedon, the assheimer, we still don't have a quality QB and still have to find one in the off season.

Again.

******* story of our lives with this franchise.

I think now it's all about development. You have to have a guy the organization can get behind 100% and be willing to help him struggle for two or three years.

If the Texans are fed up with Osweiler after 14 games & they've had enough of Savage after 1.75, we'll never find that special QB. Whether his name is Winston, Mariotta, Cousins, Carr, Bortles...

They can't learn what they need to learn without seeing it.

 

[AcresHomesTexan]

First, who's been "lauding" our offensive line?

second, I think the second half proved we can work around those deficiencies if the coaching staff gets their head out of their butts.

The 2nd half looked pretty much like the Texans all season..a handful hopeful plays, taking advantage of the other guys mistakes, and not scoring TDs in the red zone. The coaching staff knows the OL and QBing are below average. Playing ugly on offense with few mental mistakes (penalties) and relying on the defense in the way Texans 2016.

 

[Marcus]

Savage, Weedon, the assheimer, we still don't have a quality QB and still have to find one in the off season.

Again.

******* story of our lives with this franchise.

So you came to that conclusion about Savage already, after just one NFL start??

Your mangos are making you a little jittery.

 

[Thorn]

Maybe Savage will be "The One", maybe he needs more time, maybe I need more chances to watch what comes out of the south end of a north bound cow labeled Houston football. Except for one or two seasons when "good" Schaub was playing this team hasn't even come close to being playoff caliber.

The one good thing I'll say about all this, is for such an obviously lack of talent on the O line, the fact we've actually won 9 games is coming from coaching, 'cause it sure aint' coming from the talent. If anything, we've been to hard on the coaches; good to great receivers, good tight ends, decent to good running backs, mediocre or (mostly) less QBs, and a fucked up turd pie for an O line.