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Injury Thread

Aaron Wilson @AaronWilson_NFL

Texans' Brian Cushing out four to six weeks with Grade 2 sprained MCL
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
http://www.texanstalk.com/posts/2633448/
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Is that 4-6 weeks realistic in your estimation Doc? I mean even if it's more like 6-8 weeks do you think he'll be able to contribute following that? I'm really thinking this is Cushing's last campaign here so if he could come back for the home stretch and help us, maybe get to play in the playoffs I'd say that's as close to a happy ending as the Texans/Cushing experience will get.
 
Hervoyel said:
Is that 4-6 weeks realistic in your estimation Doc? I mean even if it's more like 6-8 weeks do you think he'll be able to contribute following that? I'm really thinking this is Cushing's last campaign here so if he could come back for the home stretch and help us, maybe get to play in the playoffs I'd say that's as close to a happy ending as the Texans/Cushing experience will get.
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The last sentence in my previous post is where I believe lies Cushing's best case scenario. If he's brought back too soon, a setback would not be unexpected.
 
JamTex said:
Sorry Doc. Didn't see it.
If he is out 6 weeks of no practice, does it mean his return should be after the week 9 Bye?
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If he requires 6 weeks of no practice, he would probably best test the adequacy of his rehab with an additional 2 weeks for progressive practice before being thrown back into the mix. After the Bye would be ideal, but my guess is he will be hurried back to play before the Bye week.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
If he requires 6 weeks of no practice, he would probably best test the adequacy of his rehab with an additional 2 weeks for progressive practice before being thrown back into the mix. After the Bye would be ideal, but my guess is he will be hurried back to play before the Bye week.
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Well I certainly hope the trainers and coaches decide to keep him out until after the Bye.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The last sentence in my previous post is where I believe lies Cushing's best case scenario. If he's brought back too soon, a setback would not be unexpected.
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Gotcha, I should have scanned the thread more before asking. I think the Texans should just be thinking 8 weeks and then hoping for a Cush sighting over the last half of the season (and hopefully playoffs) before he heads out into the sunset for us. I have this funny feeling we'll get to see Cushing in the postseason and it will feel kind of like it did watching a banged up Bagwell not really be much help to the Astros in the playoffs right before he retired. It was like he was almost not even part of the team anymore but everybody wanted him to be involved.

I don't know how you go out and do what Cushing does (when he's not hurt) after all the issues he's had with his knees. I don't see how he can be effective really or play without the next knee injury in the back of his mind. It sucks because I really like him a lot. He's a great LB'er and from all reports a wonderful mother* but I think the end is very near for Brian's career. Sure someone will give him a shot but I find it hard to believe we aren't drafting his replacement next year.





(* j/k, bad pregnancy joke there)
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Re-injury to repaired structures would be expected to be most evident with strain of muscles.......abdominal and/or back. His performance was significantly compromised today, so it would be difficult to detect unless severe. Last year, the Texans made the fan base believe that his compromised performance was due to his club hand..............while he was actually dealing with disk and bilateral sports hernia tears.........until the end, when it was so severe,he could no longer function. For sure, he was easily pushed around, taken to ground and if you watched when he tried to raise his hand and arch his back to try to slap the ball, he could not fully extend his arm up in the air nor totally arch his back. These are more strains that become noticeable in the 24-48 hours following trauma (the same time frame before many injuries are even appreciated_. No matter what, it is evident that he was winded off and on and was not ready (muscle strength and range of motion) in any way to return to full game trauma this soon.
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His performance indeed seemed substandard (for him) but he didn't seem to reinjure. He got to the QB twice near the end. JJ always gets winded and breathes heavily as the game wears on, because he works so hard. That isn't a concern. But the possibility of a delayed setback that you raise is unsettling.
 
Seegara said:
His performance indeed seemed substandard (for him) but he didn't seem to reinjure. He got to the QB twice near the end. JJ always gets winded and breathes heavily as the game wears on, because he works so hard. That isn't a concern. But the possibility of a delayed setback that you raise is unsettling.
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It's not that straight-forward by simple observation. Did you know that his substandard performance last year was due not only by his club hand.................but also probably mostly due to his disk and bilateral hernias?......until his last play and the announcement of his multiple surgeries were announced in the offseason? Re-injury now in Watt's case can occur with just as subtle presentation, and now be masked/excused by its overlap/coincidence with his presumed ongoing rehab which could also result in continued subpar performance.
 
First Defensive Play - Cushing Injury

Looks like friendly fire incident. John Simon took him out.



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Another potential very significant injury in our division may be the one to the Jags' LT Kelvin Beachum. It was called a "concussion." However, he was carted off on a stabilizing board, which is used when a spinal injury is suspected.
 
This morning I woke up and had to decide what Texans jersey to wear to work. I usually try to go with the correct home/away colors so that meant an away jersey. I have three (all cheap Chinese knockoffs). Decisions, decisions....

My WATT/#99 is starting to get a little worn out. A little frayed around the edges.

My FOSTER/#23 is "retired". Not with the team anymore and it's not like he's AJ. I'll wear an AJ jersey without hesitation.

Then I looked at my CUSHING/#56. For a few weeks my left knee has been killing me. I'm not sure what I did to it but it totally sucks. On the sides it hurts and behind the knee at the top of the calf it aches like crazy.

I thought "Obviously I'm supposed to wear #56 today. I even got the knee injury!" and there we are.

So I'm listing myself as "Probable" for tonight's game.
 
Hervoyel said:
This morning I woke up and had to decide what Texans jersey to wear to work. I usually try to go with the correct home/away colors so that meant an away jersey. I have three (all cheap Chinese knockoffs). Decisions, decisions....

My WATT/#99 is starting to get a little worn out. A little frayed around the edges.

My FOSTER/#23 is "retired". Not with the team anymore and it's not like he's AJ. I'll wear an AJ jersey without hesitation.

Then I looked at my CUSHING/#56. For a few weeks my left knee has been killing me. I'm not sure what I did to it but it totally sucks. On the sides it hurts and behind the knee at the top of the calf it aches like crazy.

I thought "Obviously I'm supposed to wear #56 today. I even got the knee injury!" and there we are.

So I'm listing myself as "Probable" for tonight's game.
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There is no "probable" any longer, you're either "questionable", "doubtful" or "out" :kitten:
 
Hervoyel said:
This morning I woke up and had to decide what Texans jersey to wear to work. I usually try to go with the correct home/away colors so that meant an away jersey. I have three (all cheap Chinese knockoffs). Decisions, decisions....
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The away jerseys are blue right? We're going to be wearing White tonight... (can we say White?)

The one that isn't blue or red.
 
thunderkyss said:
The away jerseys are blue right? We're going to be wearing White tonight... (can we say White?)

The one that isn't blue or red.
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The home team picks light or dark and away has to take the other.

So to be clear, the choice is not home or away uniform, it is light or dark (made by the home team). And they won't always pick their "preferred" jersey. Pittsburgh prefers black. They would pick light to make the Cowboys play in their dark/blue jerseys.
 
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infantrycak said:
The home team picks light or dark and away has to take the other.

So to be clear, the choice is not home or away uniform, it is light or dark (made by the home team). And they won't always pick their "preferred" jersey. Pittsburgh prefers black. They would pick light to make the Cowboys play in their dark/blue jerseys.
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I know. I just still think of them as home and away jerseys. Of course I still think of myself as "Probable" even though that's not a thing anymore. One little piece at a time this ain't my old NFL anymore I guess.
 
infantrycak said:
The home team picks light or dark and away has to take the other.

So to be clear, the choice is not home or away uniform, it is light or dark (made by the home team). And they won't always pick their "preferred" jersey. Pittsburgh prefers black. They would pick light to make the Cowboys play in their dark/blue jerseys.
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Gotcha.

The Texans have chosen the light color for their "default" home games, correct?
 
Speedy said:
No. the Texans usually wear blue at home.
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Going back to the beginning (In the long ago time, in the far, far away....) the Texans originally opted to wear white at home early in the season. They had this idea that they could leave the roof open and make their opponents wear a dark color and somehow this would magically make them weaker and more susceptible to the Texans attack. All it really did was bake their fans and make them look like fools because better teams were still better. Usually after the first month or so of the seasons the Texans would flip the script and wear blue the rest of the way. I bet the morons thought it made them warmer or something.

Eventually they closed the roof after killing around 3,000 fans of heat stroke but they still tend to wear white at home early in the season. It takes the form of the annual season opening "Liberty White" game.
 
ung14 said:
"JJ Watt was walking real gingerly on the way to the bus. He’s not right"

Sorry I can't embed tweets but this is from Ben Volin (writer for the Globe) from last night. Definitely concerning.
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Ben Volin Verified account ‏@BenVolin
Gronk: "I was definitely limited, but it's all good."


9:15 PM - 22 Sep 2016
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How long have I been trying to point out that his grossly premature return was inadvisable, ego-driven and likely ultimately to not end well?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
How long have I been trying to point out that his grossly premature return was inadvisable, ego-driven and likely ultimately to not end well?
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he definitely didn't look good on the field, not sure why we brought him back so early a few more weeks would have not made a difference one way or the other for this season.
 
Hervoyel said:
Eventually they closed the roof after killing around 3,000 fans of heat stroke but they still tend to wear white at home early in the season. It takes the form of the annual season opening "Liberty White" game.
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Yes I do remember white early in the season but they haven't done that since at least 2006, maybe before, like after the Pittsburgh game. Since then they wear white at home for the opener. That's it. Red on red day and blue the rest of the time.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
How long have I been trying to point out that his grossly premature return was inadvisable, ego-driven and likely ultimately to not end well?
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I thought the same thing, but never really knew what his health was. I didn't want to see him back until he was fully healthy, but impossible for me as a fan to know that.
 
Some veiled good news for the Texans...........There have already been 26 ACLs this year................There have been 182 torn ACL's in the NFL since 2013...the Dolphins, Panthers, 49ers and Bills have accumulated the most with 9 each..........the Raiders and the Texans have suffered the least with 2 each.
 
Seegara said:
Is it too late if he sits down now?
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That's difficult to tell. But that is probably essentially a moot point in that the same ill-advised ego-driven decision to return so early will be the driving force to continue play. The longer he plays having poor control of his core, the more the chance for a significant compensatory injury. Unfortunately, my guess is that. like last year, there is a good chance that Watt plays until something happens where he's no longer able to walk. I hope I'm wrong.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
That's difficult to tell. But that is probably essentially a moot point in that the same ill-advised ego-driven decision to return so early will be the driving force to continue play. The longer he plays having poor control of his core, the more the chance for a significant compensatory injury. Unfortunately, my guess is that. like last year, there is a good chance that Watt plays until something happens where he's no longer able to walk. I hope I'm wrong.
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I can see Watt in an Earl Campbell post football wheel chair included.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
That's difficult to tell. But that is probably essentially a moot point in that the same ill-advised ego-driven decision to return so early will be the driving force to continue play. The longer he plays having poor control of his core, the more the chance for a significant compensatory injury. Unfortunately, my guess is that. like last year, there is a good chance that Watt plays until something happens where he's no longer able to walk. I hope I'm wrong.
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It would be unusual if you were wrong. Then we should trade him ASAP, right? I was sneered at before TC for suggesting we trade him for Goff.
 
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