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Injury Thread

Several people have asked me why my takes on injuries seem to be so different to those of the Texans. My answer would have to be that I guess that different medical, training, and coaching staffs have their own idea of what is the most appropriate approach to the problem of an injured player........and that the approach chosen may not always be the best guiding answer for that player.


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CloakNNNdagger said:
Absolutely............a Grade I ankle sprain is more of a stretching tear of groups of small ligament fibers (sometimes at the microscopic level only) ...........a Grade II sprain is any gross tear that has not totally disrupted the ankle ligament.............and a Grade III is a complete rupture (separation) of the ligament.
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That's fascinating ! I had no idea ?
Subdivision in Southeast Houston where my wife and I use to live way back in the 90s, I had this regular route I'd take when I was jogging where on this one corner which had a very irregular surface it seemed I'd sprain an ankle every quarter or so, so on an annul basis a couple times a year. I'd usually only miss a few days before I was back to jogging again, but with a definite limp for awhile.
Thanks Doc.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Several people have asked me why my takes on injuries seem to be so different to those of the Texans. My answer would have to be that I guess that different medical, training, and coaching staffs have their own idea of what is the most appropriate approach to the problem of an injured player........and that the approach chosen may not always be the best guiding answer for that player.


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I think players and coaches often have a short sided view, i.e. How can we get player X back on field as quickly as possible so we have the best chance of winning games THIS season. I think you have to focus on getting players as healthy as possible so they can be effective in the short and long term. If that means missing a few extra games to heal properly so you're more effective when you come back so be it.
 
otisbean said:
I think players and coaches often have a short sided view, i.e. How can we get player X back on field as quickly as possible so we have the best chance of winning games THIS season. I think you have to focus on getting players as healthy as possible so they can be effective in the short and long term. If that means missing a few extra games to heal properly so you're more effective when you come back so be it.
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your approach would be so much more comfortable for most fans, but that will never happen until it comes down from on high...
 
JB said:
your approach would be so much more comfortable for most fans, but that will never happen until it comes down from on high...
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Ownership?

Hopefully the Watt fiasco has taught management a few things. I will believe it when I see it.
 
steelbtexan said:
Ownership?

Hopefully the Watt fiasco has taught management a few things. I will believe it when I see it.
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yep, the owners/front office need to stop thinking about winning "this year" and think long haul
 

  1. Aaron Wilson ‏@AaronWilson_NFL 43m43 minutes ago

    Bill O'Brien on Kareem Jackson hamstring: 'Day to day. I think we'll try to ramp him up to be able to play Sunday.'

    [*]Bill O'Brien on C.J. Fiedorowicz: 'It looked bad, we'll have to monitor him and see how it goes during the week.'
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    During the game, I posted that he had sustained a knee ligament tear (after reviewing the game film, it was most likely an MCL), and that he should not return without an MRI. When he was allowed to come back, he was essentially invisible. I hope he hasn't been set back by his "immediate" return.

 
CloakNNNdagger said:



  1. During the game, I posted that he had sustained a knee ligament tear (after reviewing the game film, it was most likely an MCL), and that he should not return without an MRI. When he was allowed to come back, he was essentially invisible. I hope he hasn't been set back by his "immediate" return.
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  1. The Texans crack medical staff would never allow that to happen.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:



  1. During the game, I posted that he had sustained a knee ligament tear (after reviewing the game film, it was most likely an MCL), and that he should not return without an MRI. When he was allowed to come back, he was essentially invisible. I hope he hasn't been set back by his "immediate" return.
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Did he run any routes when he returned? Was just listening to radio and not watching but I don't remember hearing his named called until he was named player of the game
 
Haven't seen this posted:
Brown has made a sound recovery from a torn quadriceps tendon that required surgery.

Texans coach Bill O'Brien didn't commit to Brown definitely playing, but is upbeat about the three-time Pro Bowl locker's chances.

"I think he's making progress towards being able to play on Sunday," O'Brien said. " I think he feels better and better about where his leg's at. From a leadership standpoint, he's definitely one of the leaders of our team. He's mentored the young guys.
Brown has made a sound recovery from a torn quadriceps tendon that required surgery.

Texans coach Bill O'Brien didn't commit to Brown definitely playing, but is upbeat about the three-time Pro Bowl locker's chances.

"I think he's making progress towards being able to play on Sunday," O'Brien said. " I think he feels better and better about where his leg's at. From a leadership standpoint, he's definitely one of the leaders of our team. He's mentored the young guys.
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http://www.chron.com/sports/texans/...Brien-Duane-Brown-making-progress-9635525.php
 

Is this the same as the old "I stepped wrong and twisted my knee"?
 
JB said:
Is this the same as the old "I stepped wrong and twisted my knee"?
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No......as he was falling, another player fell on the outside of his leg.

This was a play similar, not exactly, like the one involving Fido........a classic MCL tear waiting to happen.

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CloakNNNdagger said:



  1. During the game, I posted that he had sustained a knee ligament tear (after reviewing the game film, it was most likely an MCL), and that he should not return without an MRI. When he was allowed to come back, he was essentially invisible. I hope he hasn't been set back by his "immediate" return.
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Still haven't learned a damn thing.
 
Devon Still has been placed on IR (his performance thus far had not been satisfactory, and the recent "undisclosed injury" finalized the decision)...........evidently an injury sustained in practice. Brandon Dunn has been signed off of he PS.
 
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doc,

what do you think about Andrew Luck's shoulder? He had the injury last year & he's been limited all week in practice.
 
thunderkyss said:
doc,

what do you think about Andrew Luck's shoulder? He had the injury last year & he's been limited all week in practice.
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My opinion has not changed from mid Sept..............if fact it has solidified my impression.:

CloakNNNdagger said:
The more I see and read about Luck's pattern of practice and play, the more I am convinced that his right shoulder issue will turn out to be a labrum, not only an A/C problem. If so, his performance will deteriorate, not improve as the season continues.
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CloakNNNdagger said:
He didn't practice Wednesday, then was limited on Thursday. He fully participated in a low energy Friday practice. He originally injured his shoulder the very beginning of October 2015. If this were an A/C separation, there should be no reason for Luck to have been so limited in offseason/preseason/regular season practices. This goes more with a subluxation injury which not uncommonly is accompanied by a labral tear. It has been reported that he has apparently re-injured his shoulder in week 1, probably from heavy use (consistent with labral tear) since it wasn't appreciated until after the game.
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Irsay has been overly defensive about Luck's shoulder in no way being a concern. In my opinion, the clock is winding down for Luck, especially in light of his poor protection (sacked 6 times last game alone) while holding onto the ball too long looking for receivers that aren't there.........and his unwise decisions to run with the ball............and sliding head first........or not at all. Maybe if Irsay takes another drink or two, it won't hurt as much when Luck goes down.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
My opinion has not changed from mid Sept..............if fact it has solidified my impression.:





Irsay has been overly defensive about Luck's shoulder in no way being a concern. In my opinion, the clock is winding down for Luck, especially in light of his poor protection (sacked 6 times last game alone) while holding onto the ball too long looking for receivers that aren't there.........and his unwise decisions to run with the ball............and sliding head first........or not at all. Maybe if Irsay takes another drink or two, it won't hurt as much when Luck goes down.
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Thanks.

I know the common sense method would be to take Luck out & get this fixed. However, as you say, it appears they are going with the denial method.

Most likely, is his shoulder as bad as it can get & we're just waiting to cross Luck's pain threshold?

or do they risk irrepairable damage to his throwing shoulder?
 
thunderkyss said:
Thanks.

I know the common sense method would be to take Luck out & get this fixed. However, as you say, it appears they are going with the denial method.

Most likely, is his shoulder as bad as it can get & we're just waiting to cross Luck's pain threshold?

or do they risk irrepairable damage to his throwing shoulder?
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A shoulder labrum tear usually extends if that shoulder subluxes or especially if it dislocates, which when it is already compromised occurs much more easily. Labrum surgery can be a rough surgery with not entirely predictable outcomes as relates to performance......but especially for an overhead throwing sports player (QB, pitcher), making it less enticing as an option.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
A shoulder labrum tear usually extends if that shoulder subluxes or especially if it dislocates, which when it is already compromised occurs much more easily. Labrum surgery can be a rough surgery with not entirely predictable outcomes as relates to performance......but especially for an overhead throwing sports player (QB, pitcher), making it less enticing as an option.
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I believe that Drew Brees had this injury (torn Labrum) and a bad one at that. I may be wrong and feel Doc will correct me if I am.
 
Texian said:
I believe that Drew Brees had this injury (torn Labrum) and a bad one at that. I may be wrong and feel Doc will correct me if I am.
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Here tore his labrum back in Dec of 2005. Dr. James Andrews repaired his shoulder and was quoted that when he first operated on him, he felt that this could be a career ending injury. He went on to say that his return was "miraculous." This is not a typical outcome. Near the beginning of last season, Brees missed limited game time after he sustained injury to the right shoulder, this time two bruised and partially torn muscles of his rotator cuff mechanism.
 
When I watched Duane Brown today, he looked like a "fat boy in the middle" we had looked for for so many years. Not to mention all that I had commented on prior to this game as concerns the fact that he did not prove himself in practice (no Full Contact practices, and not even one week of Full Participation practices). I have no idea how he would have been cleared to play in a regular season. There is no doubt that Brown has packed on a great deal of weight (mostly fat) during his long period of rehab of relatively low activity. Between this and his incompletely tested rehab, he looked like it, he moved like it and he played like it. I feel badly for him because I have no doubt that he was trying his best out there.
 
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vupac1 said:
Any word on severity of the injury?
Besides "not life-threatening?"
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Any degree of quad injury is debilitating and worrisome. So far no word. I suspect they will obtain an MRI to determine the grade of the injury. They would already know at this time if it involved the muscle or its tendon.
 
DocBar said:
The whole OL is injured? They were playing bad enough to start with, now this?
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At this point all we can do is laugh. Good thing none of these injuries are life threatening.

LT - Knee (Limited)
LG - Knee (Full)
C - Shoulder (Full)
RG - Concussion (No Practice)
RT - Ankle (No Practice)
 
PapaL said:
At this point all we can do is laugh. Good thing none of these injuries are life threatening.

LT - Knee (Limited)
LG - Knee (Full)
C - Shoulder (Full)
RG - Concussion (No Practice)
RT - Ankle (No Practice)
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DocBar said:
You've gotta laugh to keep from crying. lol
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You'd be hard bent to even field a compilation of one decent OL between all the walking wounded of the Colts and the Texans OLs.
 
PapaL said:
At this point all we can do is laugh. Good thing none of these injuries are life threatening.

LT - Knee (Limited)
LG - Knee (Full)
C - Shoulder (Full)
RG - Concussion (No Practice)
RT - Ankle (No Practice)
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Take solace in the fact that, no matter how banged up and bad they are playing, Houston's line is still superior to that of Indianapolis'.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
So WFV's hamstring..... a speedster with a dodgy hamstring doesn't sound promising.

Comments?
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This has been discussed. But as a summary, hamstrings are a high recurrent injury.......but especially when rehab time is hurried and cut short in order to come back before the muscle is well-healed. A grade I can typically keep a player out up to 3 weeks........a grade II up to 8 weeks.
 
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