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Official Brock Osweiler MVP Watch Thread!

Thorsson said:
My prediction may come true. There are rumors Brandon Weeden will be either cut or traded to Denver. Even though at this time I do believe Weeden is the best QB on the Texans, there is no way he'll ever get playing time with the huge money Osweiler is making and with Savage having been groomed for years by the team.

http://www.sportsrageous.com/nfl/nf...e-involves-brandon-weeden-mark-sanchez/42992/
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I do not understand this "huge money" narrative going around about Osweiler. His contract is, on a per year basis, only 16th in the league for QBs. They are, in effect, paying him to be average. Seventy two million is not that much money when you're talking QB salaries.
 
Scooter said:
There's the Charles James type of 'Eff This! I want to play!' which would garner respect. There's also 'this isn't fair, screw you guys I'm taking my ball and going home' that his coaches and teammates and reporters have said - reports made BEFORE signing with us.

How is this so complicated? Dude was butthurt about being benched and not being the guy to go into the playoffs. It is what it is, why try to sugar coat it?

That butthurt made him our new starter and we should be happy about it ... right?
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So what if he was butthurt? Who wouldn't be? It's bad enough everyone trying to tear apart his game, now we've got armchair psychoanalysis of him too?
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I do not understand this "huge money" narrative going around about Osweiler. His contract is, on a per year basis, only 16th in the league for QBs. They are, in effect, paying him to be average. Seventy two million is not that much money when you're talking QB salaries.
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To be honest I really wish they would stop putting these players money business out in the street. That way we could stop the narrative of over spending and etc.
 
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What's with all the bullsh!t about Brandon Weeden being better? Are y'all really wanting another Fitzpatrick/Hoyer scenario where we settle for a QB who has been given multiple opportunities elsewhere and hasn't done much with it? With Savage, was I the only one to notice him crumble in the pocket last week? That was against the Saints 2nd stringers.

At the very least I'm happy the Texans finally took a swing on a legitimate QB. It's too early to tell whether Osweiler will be a strikeout or a HR but at least OB has finally taken a swing. And with the money they've given Osweiler, he's going to get every opportunity to succeed here.
 
JCTexan said:
What's with all the bullsh!t about Brandon Weeden being better? Are y'all really wanting another Fitzpatrick/Hoyer scenario where we settle for a QB who has been given multiple opportunities elsewhere and hasn't done much with it? With Savage, was I the only one to notice him crumble in the pocket last week? That was against the Saints 2nd stringers.

At the very least I'm happy the Texans finally took a swing on a legitimate QB. It's too early to tell whether Osweiler will be a strikeout or a HR but at least OB has finally taken a swing. And with the money they've given Osweiler, he's going to get every opportunity to succeed here.
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As for Weeden starting elsewhere, he started right out of college for the worst-run franchise in the history of the NFL. Tom Brady would've failed with the Browns! And if you look at the stats, Weeden was the best QB on the Cowboys last season, and he had no WRs to throw to with Dez Bryant being injured. His replacement Matt Cassel was horrendous, as was Romo on Turkey Day.

When I state my opinion that Weeden is the best QB on the Texans at this time, I base it on today's date, not on another franchise three years ago. Weeden looked great in two games with the Texans last season while barely knowing the playbook.
 
Scooter said:
little column A - mostly column (ignore drunk scooter) B

But ... there are reports all over the place that directly suggest that Oz was extremely upset at the Broncos organization about his being benched and not starting the playoffs. Not being a 'competitive' issue, but one of an emotional response of feelings of slight and betrayal. Pointing out what should've been obvious, and incredulity that Seegara got one right. These reports are made from multiple locals and outlets, from that moment until today. I've said nothing to their validity, to their relevance ... only that I find attacking a poster for what I thought was a very common report is beneath yall.

Or not, observing posts the past few days that seem to follow more a mob mentality than discussion.

It's been quite impressive the past couple weeks how anyone who says something less than 'SUPERBOWL!!!!' is deemed anti-fan villain.
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How are you drawing a line between Brock's competitiveness and his warm fuzzy feelings? I ask because this must be a rather accurate and resourceful diagnostic method.

And bollocks to the second part, as I got called a negative downer just yesterday for not pom pom-ing enough about the preseason. I just happen to think here that the criticism of the Brock signing has been blown out of proportion by some fans who seemingly want to lasso it into the poo poo-ing on every single decision this front office makes regardless of actual particular reason.
 
Thorsson said:
As for Weeden starting elsewhere, he started right out of college for the worst-run franchise in the history of the NFL. Tom Brady would've failed with the Browns! And if you look at the stats, Weeden was the best QB on the Cowboys last season, and he had no WRs to throw to with Dez Bryant being injured. His replacement Matt Cassel was horrendous, as was Romo on Turkey Day.

When I state my opinion that Weeden is the best QB on the Texans at this time, I base it on today's date, not on another franchise three years ago. Weeden looked great in two games with the Texans last season while barely knowing the playbook.
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Yeah, he was very good in Dallas last year and by far the best the Texans had to show for. I wonder why he is out of the loop. I would like to see him remain on the team at any level. He may save us before the season is over. (Reference: OL troubles)
 
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Thorsson said:
As for Weeden starting elsewhere, he started right out of college for the worst-run franchise in the history of the NFL. Tom Brady would've failed with the Browns! And if you look at the stats, Weeden was the best QB on the Cowboys last season, and he had no WRs to throw to with Dez Bryant being injured. His replacement Matt Cassel was horrendous, as was Romo on Turkey Day.

When I state my opinion that Weeden is the best QB on the Texans at this time, I base it on today's date, not on another franchise three years ago. Weeden looked great in two games with the Texans last season while barely knowing the playbook.
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Hmmm....everyone who sees him play every day for the last month seems to disagree with you. I mean, for being the best QB on the team to have only played long enough to throw 5 4th quarter passes in the pre-season so far seems like a huge mistake by the coaching staff.
 
I'd be pissed if I was Brock too.

He was the best QB on that team and could have won the Super Bowl just as easily as Peyton did with that defense.

Bring the attitude Brock and light em up!
 
Speedy said:
Hmmm....everyone who sees him play every day for the last month seems to disagree with you. I mean, for being the best QB on the team to have only played long enough to throw 5 4th quarter passes in the pre-season so far seems like a huge mistake by the coaching staff.
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Like I've said, the Texans were gonna start Osweiler no matter how bad or good he looked in the pre-season because of the $tens of millions the team is paying him. Management doesn't care if Weeden can throw deep and hit the speedy Texans' receivers in stride, the objective is all about saving face with the Osweiler signing. As for Savage, the Texans feel a special loyalty toward him because they drafted and groomed him for three years, so his backup job will be safe all season.

BOB tried to save face by sticking with "his" starter during last season's post-season spectacle against the Chiefs, by keeping the horrible Hoyer in the game and backing up his reason for doing so because "Weeden didn't know the whole playbook." Well, I'm not sure what playbook Hoyer was reading, but it sure looked like it was the Chiefs' playbook!
 
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Thorsson said:
Like I've said, the Texans were gonna start Osweiler no matter how bad or good he looked in the pre-season because of the $tens of millions the team is paying him. Management doesn't care if Weeden can throw deep and hit the speedy Texans' receivers in stride, the objective is all about saving face with the Osweiler signing. As for Savage, the Texans feel a special loyalty toward him because the drafted and groomed him for three years, so his backup job will be safe all season.

BOB tried to save face by sticking with "his" starter during last season's post-season spectacle against the Chiefs, by keeping the horrible Hoyer in the game and backing up his reason for doing so because "Weeden didn't know the whole playbook." Well, I'm not sure what playbook Hoyer was reading, but it sure looked like it was the Chiefs' playbook!
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The Texans are gonna start Os because that's what they brought him here for. And they brought him here because all we had was Weeden and Savage.

There's the cause and effect you're looking for.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I do not understand this "huge money" narrative going around about Osweiler. His contract is, on a per year basis, only 16th in the league for QBs. They are, in effect, paying him to be average. Seventy two million is not that much money when you're talking QB salaries.
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We signed Fitzpatrick to a $3M/yr deal two years ago. We signed Hoyer to a $5M/yr deal last year.

I think Schaub's extension only paid $15M/yr.

We're just not used to this.
 
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Thorsson said:
You bring up a good point!
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The point he's bringing up is that Fitzpatrick and Hoyer were paid a backup QB's money because they were, at best, stop-gaps who would have to play their way into starter's money.

Osweiler was brought here with the expectation that he would be a starter. He was paid a starter's money. Not a top-level starter, but a mid-range starter.

Schaub, at the time, was paid an upper range QB's salary but over time, salaries increase. What was upper level starter's money 5 years ago is mid-range now.

It's been a while since we've had a QB worthy of being considered to be even a possibility of being a mid-range QB.

A $70 million QB is not some huge outlay of money like it would have been 5-10 years ago.
 
DBCooper said:
I'd be pissed if I was Brock too.

He was the best QB on that team and could have won the Super Bowl just as easily as Peyton did with that defense.

Bring the attitude Brock and light em up!
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I'm pulling for Brock.

But as far as winning the SuperbOwl, we'll never know. For all we know, the Broncos may have been pushing too hard in that San Diego game because they felt the need to "make up" for his inexperience. Peyton comes in they relax, they stop making mistakes, they win the game. Badabing, badaboom, & Bob's your uncle.
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm pulling for Brock.

But as far as winning the SuperbOwl, we'll never know. For all we know, the Broncos may have been pushing too hard in that San Diego game because they felt the need to "make up" for his inexperience. Peyton comes in they relax, they stop making mistakes, they win the game. Badabing, badaboom, & Bob's your uncle.
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I wish Bob was my uncle!

I'd ask for season tickets!
 
Thorsson said:
Like I've said, the Texans were gonna start Osweiler no matter how bad or good he looked in the pre-season because of the $tens of millions the team is paying him. Management doesn't care if Weeden can throw deep and hit the speedy Texans' receivers in stride, the objective is all about saving face with the Osweiler signing. As for Savage, the Texans feel a special loyalty toward him because they drafted and groomed him for three years, so his backup job will be safe all season.

BOB tried to save face by sticking with "his" starter during last season's post-season spectacle against the Chiefs, by keeping the horrible Hoyer in the game and backing up his reason for doing so because "Weeden didn't know the whole playbook." Well, I'm not sure what playbook Hoyer was reading, but it sure looked like it was the Chiefs' playbook!
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Weeden is Hoyer. I don't understand why you don't get that. He throws a prettier ball, but when the game means something, when the pressure is on, he screws up.

That's why Hoyer was playing for the Browns to begin with. Those were basically meaningless games early in the season Weeden couldn't manage them, Hoyer steps in & the Browns start winning.

It is what it is. We've seen Weeden in real games & overall, it ain't pretty. The days of him winning a starting job in the preseason are over. He's at that stage in his career where he needs to relieve a starter & play lights out.

I'm all for reclamation projects. He's got the talent, he's smart enough, but he's shell shocked. You don't go into a season with that guy as "Plan A"
 
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Texansballer74 said:
Every Quarterback that has played this game needs to build cohesiveness and chemistry with its offense. That is not a built in excuse it's a known fact of football or any other team sport.

Now can he come in and experience some success like many others have, heck yeah. Shoots he's already experienced that success in Denver. You do know Kubiak wasn't the Broncos coach until last year. Brock had to learn a brand new offense. He went 5-2 for the Broncos.
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Can you see how contradicting that statement is?

1. Brock had to learn Kubiak's offense, but he came in and went 5-2 right away.
2. Brock now has to learn O'Brien offense, but now he has the right not to perform as well as he did last year?

How does that work? Sorry, I don't understand.
 
76Texan said:
Can you see how contradicting that statement is?

1. Brock had to learn Kubiak's offense, but he came in and went 5-2 right away.
2. Brock now has to learn O'Brien offense, but now he has the right not to perform as well as he did last year?

How does that work? Sorry, I don't understand.
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Well, by the same token, you might want to give him a chance to actually play in O'Brien's offense before deciding it's the biggest mistake in Texans history.

And this freaking team won 9 games 2 years in a row with garbage at QB. I don't care what anyone thinks about Osweiler, if he's any better than garbage, this team is a legit contender.
 
76Texan said:
Can you see how contradicting that statement is?

1. Brock had to learn Kubiak's offense, but he came in and went 5-2 right away.
2. Brock now has to learn O'Brien offense, but now he has the right not to perform as well as he did last year?

How does that work? Sorry, I don't understand.
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What?

Where in my comment did you get that nonsense from. I never said any such thing. So please sir don't put words in my mouth.

Go back and read please.
 
thunderkyss said:
Weeden is Hoyer. I don't understand why you don't get that. He throws a prettier ball, but when the game means something, when the pressure is on, he screws up.

That's why Hoyer was playing for the Browns to begin with. Those were basically meaningless games early in the season Weeden couldn't manage them, Hoyer steps in & the Browns start winning.

It is what it is. We've seen Weeden in real games & overall, it ain't pretty. The days of him winning a starting job in the preseason are over. He's at that stage in his career where he needs to relieve a starter & play lights out.

I'm all for reclamation projects. He's got the talent, he's smart enough, but he's she'll shocked. You don't go into a season with that guy as "Plan A"
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It's easy to look good in practice, when you're wearing the red jersey. Whole different ballgame when the other team doesn't have to pull up.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Every Quarterback that has played this game needs to build cohesiveness and chemistry with its offense. That is not a built in excuse it's a known fact of football or any other team sport.

Now can he come in and experience some success like many others have, heck yeah. Shoots he's already experienced that success in Denver. You do know Kubiak wasn't the Broncos coach until last year. Brock had to learn a brand new offense. He went 5-2 for the Broncos.
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Ok, so I chose an example that doesn't quite work.
Let me try again.

You said that Osweiler has already experienced that success (early) by going 5-2 under Kubiak.

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Then it only further proves that it is very possible.
Especially since he had already done that.
Now that he has more time in the NFL, it's possible that he can do even better.

Why is that not valid?
 
76Texan said:
Ok, so I chose an example that doesn't quite work.
Let me try again.

You said that Osweiler has already experienced that success (early) by going 5-2 under Kubiak.

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I said:
Then it only further proves that it is very possible.
Especially since he had already done that.
Now that he has more time in the NFL, it's possible that he can do even better.

Why is that not valid?
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I said what I said to illustrate Brock has already experienced what you were talking about when you brought the thread back to its origin.

And built in excuse. Come on dude there is a lot of examples out there with quarterbacks not succeeding when they went to a different team.
 
Texansballer74 said:
I said what I said to illustrate Brock has already experienced what you were talking about when you brought the thread back to its origin.

And built in excuse. Come on dude there is a lot of examples out there with quarterbacks not succeeding when they went to a different team.
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I was pulling your legs a bit there. ;)

Because I had responded to Tex earlier in the thread that "yes, that is understandable", but not to a degree he suggested.

The better the QB, the less time he needs to put things to work for himself and his teammates.

I'll come back to add more later.
Got to run.
 
Thorsson said:
I don't see the Texans keeping three QBs on the roster. My opinion is that Weeden will be cut, but not till the last minute so that no other team will pick him up with much time to prepare before the season starts. Barring injury, there is no way Osweiler will lose "his" starting job, and there is no way the Texans give up on Savage, whom they have invested three years in.

Of course, if they cut Weeden and a QB goes down, the Texans will be in the same position as last year.
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Savage will be gone after the 2017 season, the final year of his contract.
 
Scooter said:
little column A - mostly column (ignore drunk scooter) B

But ... there are reports all over the place that directly suggest that Oz was extremely upset at the Broncos organization about his being benched and not starting the playoffs. Not being a 'competitive' issue, but one of an emotional response of feelings of slight and betrayal. Pointing out what should've been obvious, and incredulity that Seegara got one right. These reports are made from multiple locals and outlets, from that moment until today. I've said nothing to their validity, to their relevance ... only that I find attacking a poster for what I thought was a very common report is beneath yall.

Or not, observing posts the past few days that seem to follow more a mob mentality than discussion.

It's been quite impressive the past couple weeks how anyone who says something less than 'SUPERBOWL!!!!' is deemed anti-fan villain.
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When did these many "reports" come out and where were they generated? I don't recall seeing any before he signed with the Texans. Twitter feed I saw from his Denver teammates were either congratulatory and wishing him well or disbelief he left the Broncos and wishing him luck. I didn't see any where his mates called him a cry-baby
 
Thorsson said:
As for Weeden starting elsewhere, he started right out of college for the worst-run franchise in the history of the NFL. Tom Brady would've failed with the Browns! And if you look at the stats, Weeden was the best QB on the Cowboys last season, and he had no WRs to throw to with Dez Bryant being injured. His replacement Matt Cassel was horrendous, as was Romo on Turkey Day.

When I state my opinion that Weeden is the best QB on the Texans at this time, I base it on today's date, not on another franchise three years ago. Weeden looked great in two games with the Texans last season while barely knowing the playbook.
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And that's why he was cut? Romo getting jealous or something?
 
JB said:
When did these many "reports" come out and where were they generated? I don't recall seeing any before he signed with the Texans. Twitter feed I saw from his Denver teammates were either congratulatory and wishing him well or disbelief he left the Broncos and wishing him luck. I didn't see any where his mates called him a cry-baby
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The only one that spoke ill-will was Elway. Other than that everyone else have given that man his props. Even Manning said he's a Texans fan now bwhahaha.
 
JB said:
And that's why he was cut? Romo getting jealous or something?
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I'm glad the Cowboys cut Weeden, who ended up winning two games for the Texans.

Besides, it doesn't really matter how Weeden played in the past for other teams. All I know is that he played outstanding on short notice for the Texans last season. The Texans are undefeated when Weeden plays, 2-0!
 
Thorsson said:
I'm glad the Cowboys cut Weeden, who ended up winning two games for the Texans.

Besides, it doesn't really matter how Weeden played in the past for other teams. All I know is that he played outstanding on short notice for the Texans last season. The Texans are undefeated when Weeden plays, 2-0!
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Case Keenum is also undefeated in playing for the Texans under Bill O'Brien. T. J. Yates won a couple big games for us against the Bengals. I don't want them starting for us either. Let Weeden win a few games for us when the defense sux and we got to have the game, then we can talk.
 
Thorsson said:
I'm glad the Cowboys cut Weeden, who ended up winning two games for the Texans.

Besides, it doesn't really matter how Weeden played in the past for other teams. All I know is that he played outstanding on short notice for the Texans last season. The Texans are undefeated when Weeden plays, 2-0!
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Seriously, I just don't understand people sometimes. Or why I even bother participating in a discussion about a 3rd string QB that isn't beating out Tom Savage for the backup spot, but here I go.

Brandon Weeden is a 3rd string QB who isn't beating out Tom Savage for the backup spot.

He beat an 84 year old Matt Hasselbeck led Luck-less Colts team, and a Zach Mettenberger led Mariota-less 3-13 Titans team. Are those the 2 games you're talking about?

~drops mic~
 
JB said:
Case Keenum is also undefeated in playing for the Texans under Bill O'Brien. T. J. Yates won a couple big games for us against the Bengals. I don't want them starting for us either. Let Weeden win a few games for us when the defense sux and we got to have the game, then we can talk.
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Yates actually won games against top 10 defenses last year. I think the Jets was top 5.
 
Scooter said:
little column A - mostly column (ignore drunk scooter) B

But ... there are reports all over the place that directly suggest that Oz was extremely upset at the Broncos organization about his being benched and not starting the playoffs. Not being a 'competitive' issue, but one of an emotional response of feelings of slight and betrayal. Pointing out what should've been obvious, and incredulity that Seegara got one right. These reports are made from multiple locals and outlets, from that moment until today. I've said nothing to their validity, to their relevance ... only that I find attacking a poster for what I thought was a very common report is beneath yall.

Or not, observing posts the past few days that seem to follow more a mob mentality than discussion.

It's been quite impressive the past couple weeks how anyone who says something less than 'SUPERBOWL!!!!' is deemed anti-fan villain.
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You aren't fooling anyone man. Its pretty clear that you want Oz to end up as a failure here so you can smash OB's name in the mud and trash the Texans over it. It has to be one of the most hypocritical things you've said thus far considering how you rooted for Oz all year last year when he played under Kubiak. Your act is so obvious.
 
Speedy said:
Seriously, I just don't understand people sometimes. Or why I even bother participating in a discussion about a 3rd string QB that isn't beating out Tom Savage for the backup spot, but here I go.

Brandon Weeden is a 3rd string QB who isn't beating out Tom Savage for the backup spot.

He beat an 84 year old Matt Hasselbeck led Luck-less Colts team, and a Zach Mettenberger led Mariota-less 3-13 Titans team. Are those the 2 games you're talking about?

~drops mic~
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I don't care about which teams Weeden beat. A win is a win. Those were must-win games for the Texans and Weeden came through.

And if you think Hasselbeck is 84-years-old, how about Peyton Manning? Osweiler ended the season as a backup to the shopworn legend.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Yes.

And it's not terribly complicated ... unless this is one of those 'ignore scooter cause it's late and he's drinking sideways' kind of things.
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He just wants the Texans to self destruct because they fired Kubiak. That's all this is.

For the record, Oz was extremely butt hurt. But so what? What difference does that make now? In many cases that makes a player gain an enormous fire to go out and show people something. Everything that Oz has said publicly and done with his actions indicates that his motivation is exactly that. Whether he does show everybody is yet to be seen, but that is definitely the kind of mind set that I want my starting NFL QB to have. I look at that as a good thing.
 
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