I don't even think we can write it off to injury. This is the starting lineup that has been practicing as the starting lineup, since the preseason started.
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I don't even think we can write it off to injury. This is the starting lineup that has been practicing as the starting lineup, since the preseason started.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
I read this morning OB was quoted as saying he didn't install any run schemes or blocking packages this game. It was as basic as it gets. Still, I would like to see our guys be able to outmuscle theirs for some yards. I think they proved last year they could manufacture rush yards if needed. The fact OS is looking good and our wrs look great, I feel ok with our run game.
PapaL
Loose Screw
I read somewhere that they didn't plan anything for the run game for this game. Let me see if I can find it...
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
I don't see Strong as a big time potential wide out any way personally. He seems like a much better fit in the slot to go on a lot of underneath routes. You want your speedy guy at wideout, and Strong has nice hands where he should be able to take advantage of coverage going to Fuller down the field. It just makes more sense that way.
Texecutioner
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Sure, but when you watch pre season, the main thing you look for is to watch the first team offenses and how they work together and what the chemistry is like. Oz is in a brand new offense to him with younger WR's that he has needed to develop communication and signals and timing with. So far it looks like they are doing well with that. It is a good sign for a 3rd pre season game which is usually the pre season game that tells you the most. What we saw yesterday was something to feel good about going into the season.
PapaL
Loose Screw
Brock Osweiler shows off accuracy in Texans' win over Cardinals
http://www.houstonchronicle.com/spo...-shows-off-accuracy-in-Texans-win-9189775.php
http://www.houstonchronicle.com/spo...-shows-off-accuracy-in-Texans-win-9189775.php
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Keep dreaming if you think teams are going to offer a 2nd round pick for Savage because he made a few nice throws. I liked what I saw, but you don't seem to to have that much awareness on the history of the NFL and how they value QB's. Show me a backup QB that teams traded a 2nd round pick for all because he made a few throws in the pre season. We gave two 2nd round picks for Schaub, because he played pretty well every time that Vick would get hurt. Teams don't offer high picks like that for a 4th round guy who plays well in pre season. It just doesn't happen.
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Number19
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There was a brief mention in the Chron to this effect. They simply ran a few basic plays they have been practicing since the start of camp. Also seem to imply that Sunday's run game was not game planned.
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
THIS, fron the dude that was just as confident about The Texans going to the Super Bowl - NO, winning the Super Bowl.
I suck at poker but I like my chances against both of you.
Y'all get points for optimism though.
Porky
Hall of Fame
I get that but what I am saying is that 3/5ths of the projected starters are missing. We all know what happened to Martin. Brown is an unknown. He might start game one, or might be out the year. Who knows.
Newton may be average at best in pass blocking, but he is a fine run blocker. Lamm is a journeyman at best all the way around. His game is finesse and he's a borderline roster guy imo. This team absolutely needs to make another Chris Clark style trade. We need a second competent veteran swing tackle because Brown is uncertain and if Newton goes down again and Lamm starts because Clark is manning LT - that's major trouble imo. We might be able to find a swing interior player off of cuts but that's less likely at tackle. Clark only cost us a 7th and he is competent. We don't need a world beater but someone that can play left or right and not be a complete turnstile.
At this extremely early juncture OT is the leader in the clubhouse for our 2017 1st rd pick.
Number19
Hall of Fame
First, I'm referring to next year. Second, Savage may have an opportunity to showcase his talent during the current season. Third, I didn't say a team would offer a 2; I simply implied that if a team did, I'd make the trade. You wouldn't? Savage was selected in the 4th round. A third is not unreasonable if he shows this year. Savage would have to have multiple starts this year and perform well for a 2 to be a possibility.
frethack
Rookie
Also heard something similar in a Vandy interview with OB on 610. Said that they weren't game planning the run, and they were more focused on preventing penetration and TFLs.
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Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
You didn't say "if Oz gets hurt, and Savage plays really well". I went by what you said in your post, and again no one around the league cares about Savage as he is a 4th round pick from two going on three years ago now. He looked nice yesterday, but teams don't make investments in pre season performances. They just don't. A QB generally has to have at least 4 or 5 strong showings in the regular season. And yes of course I'd take a 2nd rounder for him. If he continues to look good and impress the coaches, I'd hold off maybe on a 3rd honestly. 3rd rounders have a pretty high potential bust rate, and I'd rather have a backup that can come in and perform personally.
paycheck71
Hall of Fame
TexansFight
Veteran
Amen. I was talking to a guy next to me at the game about this very same point. We both hated Hoyer with the intensity of the sun.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Was you over there trying to make friends with your comment. hahahaha just kidding Thunder.
Brock was very impressive Thunder.
Late on what throws? He was on point and did what a few people complained about last week. He didn't stare down his receivers and he was very accurate.
Each game we have added a few more plays. And you can best believe he is ready for week one. The Bears defense will not put that type of pressure on him anyways. Even with our make shift line. LOL
That free rush was mainly on the center and Lamar couldn't pick the MLB up in time. That is not on Brock. The 2nd sack was on the tackle, Clark got beat bad on that particular play.
This was meant for Thunderkyss
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The Pencil Neck
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Throwing short on 3rd down doesn't bother me, if that's the correct throw to make. I always hated the Madden "why do you throw short of the first down on third down" mantra because you only say that if the guy didn't make it.
You get the ball to your playmakers and let them make the first down.
paycheck71
Hall of Fame
Without seeing whether anyone was open beyond the sticks, it's hard to criticize him. If you think you're risking an INT if you go deep, probably better to let a receiver make a play with YAC if possible. If not, you punt.
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
I mean we won 9 games, with Hoyer, Mallett, Weeden, and Yates last season. Me predicting the SB does not require Brock to be an MVP candidate.
Texansballer74
The Marine
If you look across the league you will see every quarterback doing that exact thing.
Every Quarterback does that exact thing. You get the ball to your playmakers and let them do there thing. Sometimes it works and sometimes it don't.
Luv_ya_blue
Truth, Love, Faith & Obedience - Christianity 101
One (preseason) game does not a season make...
That said, I think that the boys looked pretty dang good yesterday.
The only real gripe that I had was early on it still looked like we suck at defending the run.
Other than that, I think the O looked pretty good and so did Os.
Truthfully, it's the first time I've seen him play that gave me some sense of optimism.
Like he said after the game, it's all about learning the system and getting better every week.
That said, I think that the boys looked pretty dang good yesterday.
The only real gripe that I had was early on it still looked like we suck at defending the run.
Other than that, I think the O looked pretty good and so did Os.
Truthfully, it's the first time I've seen him play that gave me some sense of optimism.
Like he said after the game, it's all about learning the system and getting better every week.
$hit, they sound like us!
Sounds like a coach who's covering his butt.
Heaven forbid if Kubiak said such nonsense.
Sounds like a coach who's covering his butt.
Heaven forbid if Kubiak said such nonsense.
covering his butt over a lack of running yardage in a preseason game ? nonsense!
Act like you're not a fan. Then watch the game. There are still things he can work on. A lot of his drops were clean & the decision of where the ball should go was made by the time he made his last step backwards. On those, he came forward & delivered the ball. On others, whether it was due to coverage he wasn't expecting or guessed wrong, he kept his feet moving, while he continued to scan after he finished his drop.
Doesn't mean he's a bust. Just means he's got room to improve.
& On the free runner... Brock may or may not have identified him as a rusher. He came on a delayed blitz, after the center was already engaged. I would like to think if Brock identified him as a rusher, the RB would have been moved to Brocks right side before the snap.
Edit: I'm just listing an observation. I may very well be wrong. "I would like to think..." means just that. I'm no expert, I'm a freak'n electrician.
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Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Brock had no chance on that play if you're referring to the play action play where he was sacked. If so, you credit the defense on plays like that.
paycheck71
Hall of Fame
I'm assuming the blitzing guy was Miller's responsibility, but not sure he could have gotten there in time the way the play was designed and how quickly the blitz was in the backfield.
That's one way to look at it.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Sounds like I have something in common with Madden. It's old school football and it's less on the QB than on the design of the play and the coach who called it. Granted it's only preseason, but it seems to me a case that the play, or "playmaker" as the case may be, more times than not does not make the first down. Defenses are giving you the completion but not the YAC. That type of route should be called on 1st or 2nd down. Also granted, this play will be more successful against bad teams, but playoff caliber teams will shut it down. Again, it's only preseason and I'll wait until the starters are playing for real.
I was about to post and had one more "old school" thought. This situation is when your possession receiver and a properly designed timing route excelles. I keep saying "old school". Well, I grew up watching Johnny Unitas throwing to Ray Berry.
Miller couldn't get to him from where he was pre snap. If he were on Brock's right, he could have been a speed bump. But that guy was going to get to Osweiler.
I mentioned after the 49ers game, the only thing about throwing it short on 3rd down is when you throw it to a guy who is covered. If you're going to throw it to a guy who is covered anyway, throw it to the guy past the sticks.
Other than that, it's a calculated risk. If the game is even, or you have a lead, it's not worth the risk (if the guy is open under) to throw the ball deep to a guy who is covered. If you're trailing & need something, take the risk... throw it downfield & hope someone can make a play (if the underneath guy is covered).
driller80545
Noob
Ha, I've been watching the Oilers and Texans since their inception, and I agree with the poster about Weeden. Amazing how advanced your opinions are!
badboy
Hall of Fame
to be fair only Su'a-Fila is starting out of two guards, center, two tackles, a running back and the QB from start of 2015.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Did the winner give your son a good home? Did you get visiting rights?I'm staying out of this one. I bet my Son in 2005 that David Carr would win MVP.
..I wouldn't wish that Voodoo on anyone.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Thunderkyss you know I know how you get down brother. And you are spot on. Everybody still have plenty room to improve. I've watched the game twice and from my observations Brock was on point. On that 1st sack he did move Lamar to the left. He also called out the Mike. We can really chalk that play up as a great call by the defense. Basically we can't win the all.
Now as far as techniques and if he got the ball out in time. I really don't look at all that because live action has so many things going on. Example:his first read is blanketed, now he has to go through his progression. Well brother the pocket is starting to close on him. Therefore, he doesn't have time to make sure his feet is perfect on that particular throw. I don't ever see these quarterbacks utilizing the perfect technique on every throw.
Just as long as he hit his target or gave his receivers a chance to make a play.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
There is nit picking, and there is common sense. Every play doesn't have to be someone's fault. Sometimes the defense just does their job and their play call is one that opens a huge gap for their players to make a big play.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Pretty much this. ^^
Sonny
TexSon Proud
Well.. our winning the Bowl's future odds went from 60-1 to 45-1 after yesterday's game. Just sayin'
Fuller gives this offense a deep threat that it has been lacking for many years. Like you said, just his presence has to be respected. But, I predict that he will get wide open at least once every game. If Brock finds him or not depends on a variety of factors, but there is no doubt in my mind that defenses studying Texans film will see that potential and plan accordingly.
Brock makes throwing the ball 30-40 yards down field look easy. I watched the one play to Fuller over and over, and Brock has no big wind up and lean back. He just flicked it over to him like it was nothing. I hope we see a lot of that this season, because it just opens up even more opportunities for Nuk.
Seth Payne was talking about backup QBs last week and the misconception that folks have about them in preseason games. He said there are about 20 truly elite pass rushers in the world - guys like J.J., Von Miller, etc., - and backup QBs NEVER see those guys in preseason games. Payne went on to explain the soft coverages and lack of blitz packages in preseason, as well as the little fact that most of the competition will be selling insurance or personal trainers next month, and this help to understand why backup QBs can appear deceivingly better than they really are in preseason games.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
This is what I thought when it happened. The play took Miller out of position to pick up the blitz.
That said, we don't know what Brock's pre-snap read/audible was either.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
One thing I try to look at for a bit of sunshine is the fact that of the three injured starting OL's, Newton is far and away the best bet to return soon. He's also a good run blocker in spite of the fact that on an overall basis, he may be average at best. But regardless of where he's rated on an overall basis, he's clearly a starter on this team when healthy, so hopefully that happens soon, and things get better - even if only a little bit.
Agreed. Newton, with all his faults is a big upgrade over Lamm. Lamm is who they bring in at TE for an extra blocker, imo
Texansballer74
The Marine
Brock's future looks very promising but lets hold off on the MVP type chatter.
Now Big Ben, (possibly Luck), Rodgers and Cam will be the favorites to win that award.
Now Big Ben, (possibly Luck), Rodgers and Cam will be the favorites to win that award.
Texansballer74
The Marine
He said that during the interviewed him after the game.
Thunder some of those completion were in close quarters. The receivers didn't get seperation on every throw.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
Why imagine? Just like now, there would be Kubiak lovers defending him to the end, Kubiak haters who would criticize even if he won a Super Bowl (Oh - wait), and those in the middle who would recognize it as a valid and very likely accurate comment.Sounds like a coach who's covering his butt.
Heaven forbid if Kubiak said such nonsense.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Sounds like a coach who's covering his butt.
Heaven forbid if Kubiak said such nonsense.
We get it. You don't like OB. Just put it in your sig already and get it over with.
Either get on or off the train at this point.